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(International Business Times)   Conspiracy theorists: Fake passports in Asia are dime a dozen and unlikely to be behind the reason for Malaysian Airlines disappearance   (ibtimes.co.uk) divider line 75
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2014-03-10 08:40:31 AM  
Indeed, we have to consider the possibility that these were just would-be illegal immigrants or drug mules who had shiatty luck.
 
2014-03-10 08:46:18 AM  
Aliens?
 
2014-03-10 08:49:13 AM  
It's likely that the bureaucracy in these countries makes it easier or effective for the average person to buy a counterfeit passport.  Hell, it takes several months to get one in the US now.
 
2014-03-10 08:51:49 AM  
Which is exactly what they want you to believe!!!

/wake up!!!
//sheeple!!!
 
2014-03-10 08:52:59 AM  
Yeah, that's definitely possible and I really hope its the case.  The more I hear about this flight though, the more it sounds like it just exploded in mid-air.  There could be various reasons, but a bomb seems to be the most logical jump to conclusion.
 
2014-03-10 08:52:59 AM  
Which series of novels did the theorists pull that from?
 
2014-03-10 08:54:02 AM  

flamark: Hell, it takes several months to get one in the US now.


Unless you are willing to pay triple, then you can get one in a couple of days.
 
2014-03-10 08:54:11 AM  

AntonChigger: Yeah, that's definitely possible and I really hope its the case.  The more I hear about this flight though, the more it sounds like it just exploded in mid-air.  There could be various reasons, but a bomb seems to be the most logical jump to conclusion.


Then where's the debris?  If it exploded at FL350 there should be seats and all manner of floating debris scattered over a wide area.  All those planes and ships and so far absolutely nothing confirmed to be debris?
 
2014-03-10 08:57:46 AM  

nekom: AntonChigger: Yeah, that's definitely possible and I really hope its the case.  The more I hear about this flight though, the more it sounds like it just exploded in mid-air.  There could be various reasons, but a bomb seems to be the most logical jump to conclusion.

Then where's the debris?  If it exploded at FL350 there should be seats and all manner of floating debris scattered over a wide area.  All those planes and ships and so far absolutely nothing confirmed to be debris?


But that's exactly they point they were making.  The fact that there is NO debris hints that it basically disintegrated at 35,000 feet, probably into small enough pieces that are difficult to find.
 
2014-03-10 08:59:07 AM  

nekom: AntonChigger: Yeah, that's definitely possible and I really hope its the case.  The more I hear about this flight though, the more it sounds like it just exploded in mid-air.  There could be various reasons, but a bomb seems to be the most logical jump to conclusion.

Then where's the debris?  If it exploded at FL350 there should be seats and all manner of floating debris scattered over a wide area.  All those planes and ships and so far absolutely nothing confirmed to be debris?


What if they went in like the Valuejet crash into the swamp? IIRC there was little debris on the surface.

/For those that don't know, the Valuejet crashed when oxygen generators exploded in the baggage compartment.
 
2014-03-10 08:59:26 AM  
AntonChigger:
But that's exactly they point they were making.  The fact that there is NO debris hints that it basically disintegrated at 35,000 feet, probably into small enough pieces that are difficult to find.

I don't think anything short of a nuke would vaporize the entire plane.  There would be tons of chunks.  Now, if it slid into the drink in one piece, that could account for no debris, but in that case there should be a big slick of jet fuel rising from it.  Nothing about this makes sense so far to me.
 
2014-03-10 08:59:48 AM  
It's still possible that the plane was struck by lightning... and traveled to the time of the dinosaurs.
 
2014-03-10 09:01:58 AM  
TWA 800 exploded in mid-air and
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Plenty of it was recovered.  Same goes for Pan Am 103.

Tom_Slick:
What if they went in like the Valuejet crash into the swamp? IIRC there was little debris on the surface.

/For those that don't know, the Valuejet crashed when oxygen generators exploded in the baggage compartment.


That was swallowed up by the Everglades, something similar could have happened here, but the water is only some 75-100 meters deep.  Unless it's REALLY murky, you'd think one of the aircraft would have spotted it.  Or at least the MAD (magnetic anomaly detector) arrays would have turned up something.
 
2014-03-10 09:03:57 AM  

Arkanaut: It's still possible that the plane was struck by lightning... and traveled to the time of the dinosaurs.


No, an alien ship took it away for experiments and will return the people after their memories have been swept clean.
 
2014-03-10 09:04:59 AM  

Arkanaut: It's still possible that the plane was struck by lightning... and traveled to the time of the dinosaurs.


i'll bet you a hundred bucks they are fighting sleestacks and befriending dinosaurs right now.
 
2014-03-10 09:07:24 AM  
Wouldn't the current theory of mass-disintegration at 35,000feet mean the debris field was enormous, and have been found by now?
 
2014-03-10 09:07:27 AM  

AntonChigger: The fact that there is NO debris hints that it basically disintegrated at 35,000 feet, probably into small enough pieces that are difficult to find.


A cloud of debris should be visible on radar.  No radar signature like that was seen from what I've read.  I think the two illegal passport carriers hijacked the plane and descended to 1000' AGL below radar and then landed on some south Pacific Island.
 
2014-03-10 09:08:51 AM  
"Accidental" Chinese shootdown...

/secures tinfoil hat
 
2014-03-10 09:10:32 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: "Accidental" Chinese shootdown...

/secures tinfoil hat



The fact that China is giving this total rolling-news status, with minute by minute updates, makes that unlikely.
 
2014-03-10 09:11:10 AM  
flamark:
I think the two illegal passport carriers hijacked the plane and descended to 1000' AGL below radar and then landed on some south Pacific Island.

This isn't a piper cub.  You don't land a 777 in a corn field and hide it in the barn.  You need no less than a mile long runway, and flying that thing low for any length of time is likely to get noticed.
 
2014-03-10 09:14:41 AM  
I think it must have experienced a catastrophic failure in the tail section, causing the plane to dive uncontrollably into the ocean. The pilots would not have had time to react and there would be no debris field. I suppose a fight with terrorists in the cockpit is also possible. Or that one of the pilots disabled the other and dove the plane straight down.
 
2014-03-10 09:16:15 AM  

Animatronik: I think it must have experienced a catastrophic failure in the tail section, causing the plane to dive uncontrollably into the ocean. The pilots would not have had time to react and there would be no debris field. I suppose a fight with terrorists in the cockpit is also possible. Or that one of the pilots disabled the other and dove the plane straight down.


Definitely possible, and has happened before.  That would account for the lack of communication.  Aviate, navigate, communicate.  When wrestling with a doomed airliner, it makes little sense to get on the radio and say "Hey, just so you guys know, we're ROYALLY farked over here.  There's nothing you can do for us, but I thought I'd take the time to let you guys know how screwed we are.  Over."
 
2014-03-10 09:18:32 AM  

nekom: Animatronik: I think it must have experienced a catastrophic failure in the tail section, causing the plane to dive uncontrollably into the ocean. The pilots would not have had time to react and there would be no debris field. I suppose a fight with terrorists in the cockpit is also possible. Or that one of the pilots disabled the other and dove the plane straight down.

Definitely possible, and has happened before.  That would account for the lack of communication.  Aviate, navigate, communicate.  When wrestling with a doomed airliner, it makes little sense to get on the radio and say "Hey, just so you guys know, we're ROYALLY farked over here.  There's nothing you can do for us, but I thought I'd take the time to let you guys know how screwed we are.  Over."


Isn't hitting a May Day alert drilled in as the first thing you do precisely because it isn't a "natural"immediate reaction, and critical in situation like this?
 
2014-03-10 09:20:43 AM  
Has anyone checked the moon? I think it really was a secret Chinese space shuttle.
 
2014-03-10 09:21:42 AM  
it's not like they're going to ever figure out who had the fake passports, so easy to brush it off
 
2014-03-10 09:21:57 AM  
Bungles:
Isn't hitting a May Day alert drilled in as the first thing you do precisely because it isn't a "natural"immediate reaction, and critical in situation like this?

If you blow an engine, sure.  But if you suddenly lose all control and are desperately trying to fly a crippled airliner, you might not think to get on the radio until you get the situation somewhat under control.

But on the other hand, the air's pretty thin up there, and they were going virtually straight.  An uncommanded rudder deflection like what brought down USAir 427 doesn't really seem too likely.  I'm not really seeing any theory that fits from my armchair over here.
 
2014-03-10 09:22:16 AM  
Just to bring people up to speed - we are back to square one. The two pieces of flotsam they located are not from the plane, and the oil slicks got tested and are not jet fuel. So still not a trace.
 
2014-03-10 09:26:06 AM  
If it was a terrorist attack, why hasn't anyone claimed responsibility? That's my reason for thinking the guys with fake passports were just unlucky mules or something. Terrorism doesn't really work if you don't let the world know your group was responsible.
 
2014-03-10 09:26:39 AM  

Animatronik: I think it must have experienced a catastrophic failure in the tail section, causing the plane to dive uncontrollably into the ocean. The pilots would not have had time to react and there would be no debris field. I suppose a fight with terrorists in the cockpit is also possible. Or that one of the pilots disabled the other and dove the plane straight down.


You think it MUST be one thing, then give two more possibilities <confused>  And, I'd love to hear your expert theory on debris fields and why there wouldn't be one.
 
2014-03-10 09:27:05 AM  

RidersOfLohan: it's not like they're going to ever figure out who had the fake passports, so easy to brush it off


They have already identified one of the people - aren't releasing any info beyond that.
 
2014-03-10 09:27:14 AM  

jso2897: Just to bring people up to speed - we are back to square one. The two pieces of flotsam they located are not from the plane, and the oil slicks got tested and are not jet fuel. So still not a trace.


From my armchair, not finding any trace of a debris field yet suggests a very small relatively intact field, possibly meaning a catastrophic event in the cockpit followed by near vertical descent.
 
2014-03-10 09:27:59 AM  

Bungles: nekom: Animatronik: I think it must have experienced a catastrophic failure in the tail section, causing the plane to dive uncontrollably into the ocean. The pilots would not have had time to react and there would be no debris field. I suppose a fight with terrorists in the cockpit is also possible. Or that one of the pilots disabled the other and dove the plane straight down.

Definitely possible, and has happened before.  That would account for the lack of communication.  Aviate, navigate, communicate.  When wrestling with a doomed airliner, it makes little sense to get on the radio and say "Hey, just so you guys know, we're ROYALLY farked over here.  There's nothing you can do for us, but I thought I'd take the time to let you guys know how screwed we are.  Over."

Isn't hitting a May Day alert drilled in as the first thing you do precisely because it isn't a "natural"immediate reaction, and critical in situation like this?


Yes but if something catastrophic happens the plane may crash while the pilots are trying to get control and haven't had time to do that. And if it depressurizes while spinning they may lose consciousness before it hits the water. Its not as hard as ppl think for a giant plane to disappear.
 
2014-03-10 09:29:54 AM  

Arkanaut: It's still possible that the plane was struck by lightning... and traveled to the time of the dinosaurs.


Wait, don't they get stuck at a point in time that has already passed where giant balls with teeth are eating up the remnants of existence? I thought I read that somewhere.
 
2014-03-10 09:31:24 AM  

jso2897: Just to bring people up to speed - we are back to square one. The two pieces of flotsam they located are not from the plane, and the oil slicks got tested and are not jet fuel. So still not a trace.


www.overclock.net
 
2014-03-10 09:33:07 AM  

Watubi: Animatronik: I think it must have experienced a catastrophic failure in the tail section, causing the plane to dive uncontrollably into the ocean. The pilots would not have had time to react and there would be no debris field. I suppose a fight with terrorists in the cockpit is also possible. Or that one of the pilots disabled the other and dove the plane straight down.

You think it MUST be one thing, then give two more possibilities <confused>  And, I'd love to hear your expert theory on debris fields and why there wouldn't be one.


There MAY not be one if the plane hit intact. And pilots, even with time, may not signal a mayday if they are trying to stabilize the plane. So something happened so quickly that it prevented the pilots from signalling. It's not out of the question that it was an equipment failure, but given the record of the plane I wouldn't hesitate to fly in it. I've been flying them since 94 and flew halfway around the world in one last month.
 
2014-03-10 09:50:01 AM  
I'm sure passports are stolen all the time.

I'm sure people travel on stolen passports all the time.

But to have 2 people traveling on the same plane using passports that were stolen at different times and traveling with tickets purchased from the same travel agency on the same day?  Not likely.
 
2014-03-10 09:58:08 AM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: I'm sure passports are stolen all the time.

I'm sure people travel on stolen passports all the time.

But to have 2 people traveling on the same plane using passports that were stolen at different times and traveling with tickets purchased from the same travel agency on the same day?  Not likely.

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It would fit if they were a pair of North Korean dissenters seeking asylum, or similar circumstances.
 
2014-03-10 10:05:15 AM  
well, that makes me feel better about flying around Asia.
 
2014-03-10 10:06:57 AM  
Air_France_Flight_447

I'm betting that the cause will turn out to be similar to this incident.  Something minor that the pilots either failed to react or, conversely, massively overreacted to.  Minor technical flaw (or little known limitation) and bad human factors are probably responsible for more than 90% of all modern crashes.
 
2014-03-10 10:16:54 AM  
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2014-03-10 10:38:13 AM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: I'm sure passports are stolen all the time.

I'm sure people travel on stolen passports all the time.

But to have 2 people traveling on the same plane using passports that were stolen at different times and traveling with tickets purchased from the same travel agency on the same day?  Not likely.


If you're looking to get a fake passport, you generally go looking for people who are in the business of trafficking people to other countries. Those people probably keep a stockpile of stolen passports and steal passports every chance they get so they can keep up their stockpile. And when they have multiple people approach them about wanting to leave the country, they probably buy the tickets at the same time, even if the people aren't going to the same destination.
 
2014-03-10 10:46:11 AM  

CraicBaby: Born_Again_Bavarian: I'm sure passports are stolen all the time.

I'm sure people travel on stolen passports all the time.

But to have 2 people traveling on the same plane using passports that were stolen at different times and traveling with tickets purchased from the same travel agency on the same day?  Not likely.

If you're looking to get a fake passport, you generally go looking for people who are in the business of trafficking people to other countries. Those people probably keep a stockpile of stolen passports and steal passports every chance they get so they can keep up their stockpile. And when they have multiple people approach them about wanting to leave the country, they probably buy the tickets at the same time, even if the people aren't going to the same destination.


Also, you tend not to buy an Austrian and an Italian passport, travelling between Asian countries, as two black men trying to be incognito.

That sounds more like the slapdash of the people smuggler - sending paid-up asylum seekers - rather than a planned terrorist act.
 
2014-03-10 10:50:10 AM  

CraicBaby: Born_Again_Bavarian: I'm sure passports are stolen all the time.

I'm sure people travel on stolen passports all the time.

But to have 2 people traveling on the same plane using passports that were stolen at different times and traveling with tickets purchased from the same travel agency on the same day?  Not likely.

If you're looking to get a fake passport, you generally go looking for people who are in the business of trafficking people to other countries. Those people probably keep a stockpile of stolen passports and steal passports every chance they get so they can keep up their stockpile. And when they have multiple people approach them about wanting to leave the country, they probably buy the tickets at the same time, even if the people aren't going to the same destination.


I don't disagree.  Just pointing out that suggesting this was terrorism is not just a crackpot conspiracy theory.
 
2014-03-10 10:56:28 AM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: Just pointing out that suggesting this was terrorism is not just a crackpot conspiracy theory.


It's perfectly within the realm of possibility.  Fact is though, until they find that thing about the only thing we can be sure of is that it isn't still flying around.
 
2014-03-10 10:59:48 AM  
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2014-03-10 11:02:03 AM  

nekom: AntonChigger: Yeah, that's definitely possible and I really hope its the case.  The more I hear about this flight though, the more it sounds like it just exploded in mid-air.  There could be various reasons, but a bomb seems to be the most logical jump to conclusion.

Then where's the debris?  If it exploded at FL350 there should be seats and all manner of floating debris scattered over a wide area.  All those planes and ships and so far absolutely nothing confirmed to be debris?


Why don't you fly down to Ft Lauderdale for spring break and tell us how many seat cushions you can see.  They are all over the place along the way.
 
2014-03-10 11:08:57 AM  
Right now, with a huge international task force on the hunt for this bird and no clue after several days, I'm not sure there is such a thing as a crackpot conspiracy theory. To be a crackpot conspiracy theorist, you usually are going against mounds of evidence to the contrary. Currently everything is on the table. Norks, aliens, zionist banking conspirators, the seven sons of Mao, whatever.
 
2014-03-10 11:09:47 AM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: I'm sure passports are stolen all the time.

I'm sure people travel on stolen passports all the time.

But to have 2 people traveling on the same plane using passports that were stolen at different times and traveling with tickets purchased from the same travel agency on the same day?  Not likely.


For this to occur, you simply need two dudes that know each other and want to take a trip to bangkok or any other place to acquire some strange, undetected.
 
2014-03-10 11:30:41 AM  

Bungles: CraicBaby: Born_Again_Bavarian: I'm sure passports are stolen all the time.

I'm sure people travel on stolen passports all the time.

But to have 2 people traveling on the same plane using passports that were stolen at different times and traveling with tickets purchased from the same travel agency on the same day?  Not likely.

If you're looking to get a fake passport, you generally go looking for people who are in the business of trafficking people to other countries. Those people probably keep a stockpile of stolen passports and steal passports every chance they get so they can keep up their stockpile. And when they have multiple people approach them about wanting to leave the country, they probably buy the tickets at the same time, even if the people aren't going to the same destination.

Also, you tend not to buy an Austrian and an Italian passport, travelling between Asian countries, as two black men trying to be incognito.

That sounds more like the slapdash of the people smuggler - sending paid-up asylum seekers - rather than a planned terrorist act.


Hell, maybe the travel agency is just a front for people smuggling. Like, if you want to seek asylum somewhere, you go to this travel agency and they set you up with fake travel documents and plane tickets.
 
2014-03-10 11:32:20 AM  

jso2897: RidersOfLohan: it's not like they're going to ever figure out who had the fake passports, so easy to brush it off

They have already identified one of the people - aren't releasing any info beyond that.


Good thing, too. We don't want them to know we're onto them.
 
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