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(Slate)   One hundred years ago, the last passenger pigeon in the world died under mysterious circumstances, and now someone is investigation the murder tonight on Law & Order: Special Vermin Unit   (slate.com) divider line 60
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2014-03-10 02:35:29 PM  

PunGent: Destructor: Magorn: Still, personally I am for it. I have always wanted to see a Tasmanian Tiger or an Auroch and it's been AGES since I've smelled the distinct odor of dew-covered mammoth early in the morning (obscure?)

So long as the bird we bring back has the same incredibly stupid behavior and survival patterns, I don't think we have much to worry about. There's a very good reason they went extinct... Their survival strategy worked on the idea of satiating their predators.

If mankind is good at one thing; its not being easy to satiate. In short, they were no match for us. Delicious, easily obtainable egg (they only laid one egg, if memory serves me)... either close to, or near the ground. And I guess the birds were good eatin'. Again: Not optimal for survival. They'd build so many nests on the same branch, that often time the branch would simply collapse under the weight. So, not too bright either.

If they ever became a problem... We'd simply extinct 'em again. It was easy enough the first time, and we weren't even trying.

As far as the Tasmanian Tiger and Mammoth, those are no brainers, IMHO. Of course we bring them back. I feel that way about all mammals dog sized or larger. :-)

How about Hitler?  Going to bring HIM back, smart guy?

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It's been done.
 
2014-03-10 02:52:11 PM  

dittybopper: PunGent: "Vermin", subby?

By all accounts, they were extremely tasty, which was part of the reason they went extinct.  You can look up high-end restaurant menus from 1800's NYC, and find them on the menu.

Actually, as I recall, they were cheap meat, not fancy.  Because they could be hunted so easily, and there were so many of them, they ended up being the sort of thing you could afford if you couldn't afford beef, pork, or chicken.

Or, if you were a cheap bastard, the sort of thing you'd feed your slaves or servants.


The New Yorker article (December, I think, I'm a bit behind) had an example of a high-end restaurant menu.  Might've been one of those things like lobster, that started out as 'poor people food', then became a gourmet item.

Either way, pity our forefathers ate them all.
 
2014-03-10 03:51:37 PM  

Destructor: Magorn: I would argue that the Kacapo, a rapidly going instinct NZ parrot

Another very cool bird. Magorn, you sure know the really cool dead/almost dead birds! Here's a nice Wired article fun fact list on them.

Special powers: They smell nice, make great pets, and are the world's largest (not dead*) parrot.
Weaknesses: Can't fly. Like Magorn said, incredibly bad survival strategy... Poor things.

(I wonder if they make good house pets. I'm sure my cats would love 'em.)

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*soon...


PunGent: Of course we bring them back. I feel that way about all mammals dog sized or larger. :-)

How about Hitler? Going to bring HIM back, smart guy?

Only because I want to put his brain in a shark. Oh, I know... But now, all of a sudden, we've gone too far! (As a practical matter, no DNA.)


In a shark, you say?

Carry on then.
 
jvl
2014-03-10 03:59:20 PM  

stellarossa: We killed every single one of these damn birds until there were not enough left to continue breeding. Not for eating or for a cull but for sport. How farkin' shameful. We darn near did it with buffalo too.


That is not correct. Passenger pigeons were mostly killed by "market hunters" who sold the birds to the nearest city for food. Most bird life die-off (Geese, ducks, doves, most Sandpipers) prior to 1940 was caused by market hunting.

That said, the final flock of wild Passenger Pigeons was killed off by hunters who said to themselves, "hey look, it's the last flock so why not?"
 
2014-03-10 04:09:34 PM  

jvl: stellarossa: We killed every single one of these damn birds until there were not enough left to continue breeding. Not for eating or for a cull but for sport. How farkin' shameful. We darn near did it with buffalo too.

That is not correct. Passenger pigeons were mostly killed by "market hunters" who sold the birds to the nearest city for food. Most bird life die-off (Geese, ducks, doves, most Sandpipers) prior to 1940 was caused by market hunting.

That said, the final flock of wild Passenger Pigeons was killed off by hunters who said to themselves, "hey look, it's the last flock so why not?"


The shotgun that was used for "market hunting" of wildfowl (no joke)
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2014-03-10 04:13:01 PM  

jvl: stellarossa: We killed every single one of these damn birds until there were not enough left to continue breeding. Not for eating or for a cull but for sport. How farkin' shameful. We darn near did it with buffalo too.

That is not correct. Passenger pigeons were mostly killed by "market hunters" who sold the birds to the nearest city for food. Most bird life die-off (Geese, ducks, doves, most Sandpipers) prior to 1940 was caused by market hunting.

That said, the final flock of wild Passenger Pigeons was killed off by hunters who said to themselves, "hey look, it's the last flock so why not?"



It's funny how people have been led to believe that sport hunting has resulted in extinctions or near extinctions, when it's almost always market hunting or subsistence hunting that is to blame:

1.  Passenger pigeon:  Market hunting.  Shot and netted by the millions to sell for food.
2.  Bison:  Market hunting. Hides were shipped back to be made into leather, tongues were cut out and salted, and the carcass left to rot.  Bone collectors came by a year or two later.
3.  Elephant:  Illegal market hunting (ie., poaching) for ivory.
4.  Rhino:  Illegal market hunting (ie., poaching) to sell the horn to limp-dicked Chinamen, and to make janbiya handles.
5.  Tiger:  Illegal market hunting to sell parts to limp-dicked Chinamen.  Also, by people who don't like to be eaten.
 
2014-03-10 04:16:33 PM  
Magorn: The shotgun that was used for "market hunting" of wildfowl (no joke)
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They are also effective against graboids.
 
2014-03-10 04:17:51 PM  

ransack.: Magorn: stellarossa: I'm not a fan of zoos; they're an anachronism in the 21st century, however I do on occasion take my kids to Cincinnati zoo. My favorite place there is the statue of Martha. Most people walk right by it and the hut thing near it with the information always seems neglected and full of leaves and stuff. It's not like it's out of the way or anything, it's just 'boring' to most people. It's not farkin lions or elephants.

We killed every single one of these damn birds until there were not enough left to continue breeding. Not for eating or for a cull but for sport. How farkin' shameful. We darn near did it with buffalo too.

The story of the bison is more complex and you are basically never told it in US history class.  We weren't shooting all those buffalo just for giggles as the history books tend to tell it, but as part of a deliberate attempt to break to power of the Indian nations. Gen Sherman of civil war fame was tasked with pacifying the west after the war and he quickly realized so long as nomadic Indians had access to nearly unlimited food supplies there would never be a way to control them.   So, practical and ruthless man that he was, he decided to take away their food supply, to essentially starve them into submission, and thus pushed for policies that encouraged mass slaughter of buffalo and even paid a bounty  for killing them

I really like the way buffalo meat tastes. They also have soft fur. Good inside and out, the buffalo is.


My parents live by a buffalo farm. I do like the meat they get from there. I would like to get one of the hides tehy turn into blankets but they are $$$$. I'm going up this weekend hope they went there.

I would like to see them bring back the Dodo, but damn from all accounts that bird had no survival insticts and since they had no natural predators they were easy pickings when man showed up with cats.
 
2014-03-10 09:14:31 PM  

groppet: I would like to see them bring back the Dodo, but damn from all accounts that bird had no survival insticts and since they had no natural predators they were easy pickings when man showed up with cats.


If they taste good, they only need as much survival instinct as a broiler chicken or domesticated turkey.
 
2014-03-11 01:45:56 AM  
This is way over L&O's head.  Better call Lily Rush: she's the person for this job.
 
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