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(WorldNetDaily)   Could the Malaysian jet which disappeared from radar six miles up been destroyed by terrorists armed with man-portable surface to air missiles?   (wnd.com) divider line 105
    More: Unlikely, Malaysia, threats, CIA Director David Petraeus, Malaysia Airlines, radars, Kunming, chinese foreign ministry, ballistic missiles  
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2014-03-10 08:17:33 AM
Technically, no. Speculatively, yes.

These: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_Guardian can be installed on valuable aircraft in dangerous areas.
 
2014-03-10 08:19:45 AM
I'm going to go with "No".

Six miles up is roughly 32,000 feet.  Most MANPADS have a maximum slant range of somewhere between 12 and 15,000 feet.  Best performing one I could find with a quick Google search still only gets  you 20,000 feet slant range, which even if you fired it straight up leaves you roughly 12,000 feet short of the target.

But in actuality, because of the physics involved, maximum altitude will never be the same as the maximum slant range, so it's even worse than that:  You might be able to engage targets at 10,000 feet under optimum conditions, but that's it.

/Math.  It's what's for dinner.
 
2014-03-10 08:25:18 AM
I have an alternative theory.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-10 08:28:34 AM
They easily could have, as long as they were seated in the smoking section.
 
2014-03-10 08:28:38 AM
It's a marketing campaign for the Chinese reboot of "Lost".
 
2014-03-10 08:30:02 AM
This guy?

cdn3.whatculture.com

/i know it's not a missile, i think he's carrying an AK-47 ;p
 
2014-03-10 08:31:46 AM

Tr0mBoNe: Technically, no. Speculatively, yes.

These: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_Guardian can be installed on valuable aircraft in dangerous areas.


Yes, but that's mainly because aircraft have to take off and land, and to do that, they have to reduce their altitude down into the performance envelope of even the most primitive MANPADS.

At a cruising altitude of 35,000 feet, which is where the aircraft was at the time of its disappearance, it was essentially immune to any portable, man-carried anti-aircraft missile.
 
2014-03-10 08:32:42 AM

mutterfark: This guy?

[cdn3.whatculture.com image 600x300]

/i know it's not a missile, i think he's carrying an AK-47 ;p


No, that's a Glock.
 
2014-03-10 08:34:22 AM
No. Next question
 
2014-03-10 08:41:20 AM
Maybe if one of the passengers had a stinger missile in their seat.
 
2014-03-10 08:46:21 AM

nekom: Maybe if one of the passengers had a stinger missile in their seat.


Giggity.
 
2014-03-10 08:51:44 AM

dittybopper: But in actuality, because of the physics involved, maximum altitude will never be the same as the maximum slant range, so it's even worse than that: You might be able to engage targets at 10,000 feet under optimum conditions, but that's it.


What if it was a Sith master armed with a portable missile? The Sith Lord could levitate to get closer and use the Force to guide the missile to its target, and then telekenesis large debris chunks to a hidden cave in Sumatra so they aren't found by investigators.

See, these are the things no one thinks about.
 
2014-03-10 08:55:59 AM
No wonder the average WND reader thinks his trusty 12-gauge will take out the gub'mint's M1A1 main battle tanks when that there revolution finally comes.
 
2014-03-10 09:10:59 AM
Did someone send a green laser pointer to North Korea?
 
2014-03-10 09:31:48 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: No wonder the average WND reader thinks his trusty 12-gauge will take out the gub'mint's M1A1 main battle tanks when that there revolution finally comes.


Nobody thinks that.  The paradigm hasn't been "open battle against overwhelming force" for about, oh,  two thousand years or so.  And after all, our M1A1 tanks weren't much use against foreign insurgencies in Iraq or Afghanistan, what makes you think they'd be effective against a domestic one?  It's not like Bubba's gonna be driving around in a T-72.
 
2014-03-10 09:34:31 AM

Somacandra: dittybopper: But in actuality, because of the physics involved, maximum altitude will never be the same as the maximum slant range, so it's even worse than that: You might be able to engage targets at 10,000 feet under optimum conditions, but that's it.

What if it was a Sith master armed with a portable missile? The Sith Lord could levitate to get closer and use the Force to guide the missile to its target, and then telekenesis large debris chunks to a hidden cave in Sumatra so they aren't found by investigators.

See, these are the things no one thinks about.


Oh, I thought about it.  Funny thing about that:  The thermal batteries typically used in MANPADS suppress midichlorian function.  So even a shiat lord like Emperor Palpitation couldn't lever-tate.
 
2014-03-10 09:53:20 AM

Sybarite: I have an alternative theory.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 480x256]


Nice try but you failed to account for Cloud Yeti.  And as everyone knows, sharks are allergic to the yeti.
 
2014-03-10 10:06:12 AM
If we're going to engage in speculation about the fate of MH370, we might as well focus on hypotheses that are plausible. Alien abduction is far more likely than man-portable SAM missile blowing it up.
 
2014-03-10 10:06:57 AM
I think it was:
img2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-10 10:10:13 AM
No.
 
2014-03-10 10:10:36 AM

dittybopper: I'm going to go with "No".

Six miles up is roughly 32,000 feet.  Most MANPADS have a maximum slant range of somewhere between 12 and 15,000 feet.  Best performing one I could find with a quick Google search still only gets  you 20,000 feet slant range, which even if you fired it straight up leaves you roughly 12,000 feet short of the target.

But in actuality, because of the physics involved, maximum altitude will never be the same as the maximum slant range, so it's even worse than that:  You might be able to engage targets at 10,000 feet under optimum conditions, but that's it.

/Math.  It's what's for dinner.


Hehe, "MANPADS".

//makes me giggle every time
 
2014-03-10 10:16:28 AM
i.kinja-img.com
 
2014-03-10 10:21:46 AM

dittybopper: Somacandra: dittybopper: But in actuality, because of the physics involved, maximum altitude will never be the same as the maximum slant range, so it's even worse than that: You might be able to engage targets at 10,000 feet under optimum conditions, but that's it.

What if it was a Sith master armed with a portable missile? The Sith Lord could levitate to get closer and use the Force to guide the missile to its target, and then telekenesis large debris chunks to a hidden cave in Sumatra so they aren't found by investigators.

See, these are the things no one thinks about.

Oh, I thought about it.  Funny thing about that:  The thermal batteries typically used in MANPADS suppress midichlorian function.  So even a shiat lord like Emperor Palpitation couldn't lever-tate.


Yeah but what about the Ewoks. Couldn't he build a platform out of their bones and should at the planes?
 
2014-03-10 10:22:04 AM
I was actually able to make it all the way through as it was very light on the derp for a WND article. Then I got to this gem in the comments:

Bam bam and his NEW Pentagon could not be more incompatent. Its ovoius he wants a religious war. He has gottin his way so far. Like a rich kid with no siblings.
 
2014-03-10 10:23:29 AM

dittybopper: Tr0mBoNe: Technically, no. Speculatively, yes.

These: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_Guardian can be installed on valuable aircraft in dangerous areas.

Yes, but that's mainly because aircraft have to take off and land, and to do that, they have to reduce their altitude down into the performance envelope of even the most primitive MANPADS.

At a cruising altitude of 35,000 feet, which is where the aircraft was at the time of its disappearance, it was essentially immune to any portable, man-carried anti-aircraft missile.


What if it wasn't launched but thrown by Chuck Norris.   Check and mate, sucka!
 
2014-03-10 10:24:53 AM
Could terrorists be floating in the middle of the sea waiting for an airplane, any airplane, to show up rather than go to a heavily populated area?
 
2014-03-10 10:25:59 AM
How many frequent-flyer biatch miles has WND accumulated from their "flight of fancy" airplane trips?
 
2014-03-10 10:26:18 AM

dittybopper: Mr. Coffee Nerves: No wonder the average WND reader thinks his trusty 12-gauge will take out the gub'mint's M1A1 main battle tanks when that there revolution finally comes.

Nobody thinks that.  The paradigm hasn't been "open battle against overwhelming force" for about, oh,  two thousand years or so.  And after all, our M1A1 tanks weren't much use against foreign insurgencies in Iraq or Afghanistan, what makes you think they'd be effective against a domestic one?  It's not like Bubba's gonna be driving around in a T-72.


Hey, he COULD be ya know. You can get one of those for $50k and up...

/my wife said no.
 
2014-03-10 10:28:21 AM

Rixel: dittybopper: Tr0mBoNe: Technically, no. Speculatively, yes.

These: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_Guardian can be installed on valuable aircraft in dangerous areas.

Yes, but that's mainly because aircraft have to take off and land, and to do that, they have to reduce their altitude down into the performance envelope of even the most primitive MANPADS.

At a cruising altitude of 35,000 feet, which is where the aircraft was at the time of its disappearance, it was essentially immune to any portable, man-carried anti-aircraft missile.

What if it wasn't launched but thrown by Chuck Norris.   Check and mate, sucka!


Chuck Norris wouldn't bring down a plane with a missile. He'd just look at the plane and it would know it's supposed to explode.
 
2014-03-10 10:30:28 AM

Psylence: dittybopper: Mr. Coffee Nerves: No wonder the average WND reader thinks his trusty 12-gauge will take out the gub'mint's M1A1 main battle tanks when that there revolution finally comes.

Nobody thinks that.  The paradigm hasn't been "open battle against overwhelming force" for about, oh,  two thousand years or so.  And after all, our M1A1 tanks weren't much use against foreign insurgencies in Iraq or Afghanistan, what makes you think they'd be effective against a domestic one?  It's not like Bubba's gonna be driving around in a T-72.

Hey, he COULD be ya know. You can get one of those for $50k and up...

/my wife said no.


Faylene always gets the veto.
 
2014-03-10 10:47:00 AM

www.joeydevilla.com

Most likely explanation.

 
2014-03-10 10:50:09 AM
Terrorists are usually more concerned with making a statement, than the actual number of casualties.  What good does it do for your terrorist group if shooting down an airliner if everyone assumes it was mechanical failure or pilot error?
 
2014-03-10 10:52:45 AM
Perhaps it was downed by a .50 caliber bolt-action sniper rifle.

/I have heard that such firearms can shoot down aircraft.
 
2014-03-10 10:53:17 AM

Serious Black: Rixel: dittybopper: Tr0mBoNe: Technically, no. Speculatively, yes.

These: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_Guardian can be installed on valuable aircraft in dangerous areas.

Yes, but that's mainly because aircraft have to take off and land, and to do that, they have to reduce their altitude down into the performance envelope of even the most primitive MANPADS.

At a cruising altitude of 35,000 feet, which is where the aircraft was at the time of its disappearance, it was essentially immune to any portable, man-carried anti-aircraft missile.

What if it wasn't launched but thrown by Chuck Norris.   Check and mate, sucka!

Chuck Norris wouldn't bring down a plane with a missile. He'd just look at the plane and it would know it's supposed to explode.


No. He would roundhouse that son of a biatch.
 
2014-03-10 10:53:47 AM

dittybopper: It's not like Bubba's gonna be driving around in a T-72.


You'll take his Ford F350, with a diesel engine that you can hear for a good mile and a half, with camo TRUCKNUTZ when you can pry it out of his cold dead hands.

He'll also be singing Merle Haggard/Hank Williams.

/substitute your Brand/Model TRUCK of choice.
//also substitute your favorite color of TRUCKNUTZ
///Tactical Truck Testicles, for the discerning redneck.
 
2014-03-10 10:54:41 AM
Anyone claim responsibility for the downing?

No?

Then the odds it was terrorism are nil.
 
2014-03-10 10:57:35 AM

mutterfark: This guy?



/i know it's not a missile, i think he's carrying an AK-47 ;p


Damn!


Also:

That's what they want us to think!
 
2014-03-10 10:58:13 AM

Serious Black: Rixel:

What if it wasn't launched but thrown by Chuck Norris.   Check and mate, sucka!

Chuck Norris wouldn't bring down a plane with a missile. He'd just look at the plane and it would know it's supposed to explode.


fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net
 
2014-03-10 10:58:37 AM

SilentStrider: Anyone claim responsibility for the downing?

No?

Then the odds it was terrorism are nil.


I wouldn't go that far.  I would say it makes terrorism seem far less likely, but it's hard to rule anything out other than it sure as hell isn't still flying around up there.
 
2014-03-10 11:00:25 AM
Actually it was commandeered by two members of the flight crew in conjunction with people with the stolen passports. The plane landed on a secluded jungle air strip to be re-purposed for nefarious reasons. The passengers are being held prisoner and eventually will be sold on the black market to human traffickers. The passenger's only hope is being rescued by a group of fugitive former Green Berets who have turned into mercenaries who fight injustice.
 
2014-03-10 11:06:28 AM

heavymetal: Actually it was commandeered by two members of the flight crew in conjunction with people with the stolen passports. The plane landed on a secluded jungle air strip to be re-purposed for nefarious reasons. The passengers are being held prisoner and eventually will be sold on the black market to human traffickers. The passenger's only hope is being rescued by a group of fugitive former Green Berets who have turned into mercenaries who fight injustice.



...if you can find them...
 
2014-03-10 11:18:28 AM

heavymetal: Actually it was commandeered by two members of the flight crew in conjunction with people with the stolen passports. The plane landed on a secluded jungle air strip to be re-purposed for nefarious reasons. The passengers are being held prisoner and eventually will be sold on the black market to human traffickers. The passenger's only hope is being rescued by a group of fugitive former Green Berets who have turned into mercenaries who fight injustice.


I know you're referencing the TV show, but this bolded part is a fairly ludicrous scenario. A perfectly flown 777 under perfect conditions might be able to land in 3,000 feet. Realistically speaking though, you need at least a mile or more to land it. What secluded jungle air strip within 7.5 hours of Kuala Lumpur is that long?
 
2014-03-10 11:19:39 AM

Serious Black: heavymetal: Actually it was commandeered by two members of the flight crew in conjunction with people with the stolen passports. The plane landed on a secluded jungle air strip to be re-purposed for nefarious reasons. The passengers are being held prisoner and eventually will be sold on the black market to human traffickers. The passenger's only hope is being rescued by a group of fugitive former Green Berets who have turned into mercenaries who fight injustice.

I know you're referencing the TV show, but this bolded part is a fairly ludicrous scenario. A perfectly flown 777 under perfect conditions might be able to land in 3,000 feet. Realistically speaking though, you need at least a mile or more to land it. What secluded jungle air strip within 7.5 hours of Kuala Lumpur is that long?


It's a pretty obscure air strip. You probably haven't heard of it.
 
2014-03-10 11:22:03 AM

Sgt Otter: Terrorists are usually more concerned with making a statement, than the actual number of casualties.  What good does it do for your terrorist group if shooting down an airliner if everyone assumes it was mechanical failure or pilot error?


This was just a practice run for something bigger.
 
2014-03-10 11:27:43 AM

mshefler: I was actually able to make it all the way through as it was very light on the derp for a WND article. Then I got to this gem in the comments:

Bam bam and his NEW Pentagon could not be more incompatent. Its ovoius he wants a religious war. He has gottin his way so far. Like a rich kid with no siblings.


They didn't even try very hard to beat the "Libya/Benghazi" drum... Someone won't be getting their bonus.

// It could have almost been an interesting article about North Korean missiles, if he hadn't veered off course into "they don't fly that high" land...
 
2014-03-10 11:28:55 AM
It was The Langoliers.
 
2014-03-10 11:34:59 AM

Serious Black: If we're going to engage in speculation about the fate of MH370, we might as well focus on hypotheses that are plausible. Alien abduction is far more likely than man-portable SAM missile blowing it up.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-10 11:38:14 AM
I like how the first part of the article can be shortened to "It was the North Koreans. Never mind the plan was nowhere near the Norks, they totally did it." And the rest of it can be shortened to "Never mind that MANPADs couldn't do it. It was totally a missile."
 
2014-03-10 11:43:15 AM

Sgt Otter: Terrorists are usually more concerned with making a statement, than the actual number of casualties.  What good does it do for your terrorist group if shooting down an airliner if everyone assumes it was mechanical failure or pilot error?


Why not?  I seem to recall that the only reason Pan Am flight 103 blew up over Scotland was a delay in take-off, combined with a change in flight path due to winds.  Otherwise, it would have fallen into the Atlantic, and the collection of evidence pointing to it being a terrorist attack would have been non-existent.
 
2014-03-10 11:44:07 AM
Nope.  It was probably lasers that done it.
 
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