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(RYOT.org)   Do you eat less during the day if you know you're gonna be drinking? Then you might have an eating disorder   (ryot.org) divider line 76
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2014-03-10 03:40:38 AM  
People with absolutely no problems have a serious problem.
 
2014-03-10 03:58:45 AM  
PillsHere:

I wouldn't say it's obese, but it's overweight.  Last I checked at 5'10 a person should be between 140-160 or 145-165 (I read both at different points).  If you were a slim frame, you should be around 140-145 I guess, so by that logic, 170 might be obese under some definitions.  However, I don't think most people would consider it to be obese when we think of obesity.

MMmmmm bullshiat. I'm two inches shorter and my 'ideal' weight is 150.

BMI is a crock of shiat anyway; I used to run height and weight for Army MOS schools, and we once measured a guy who was so jacked he made Mr. Clean look skinny; yet the BMI formula put him as 'overweight'. Basically his neck was thick enough with muscles to throw off the formula rather drastically.

Now, get an actual electronic body fat thing, then you can make a much better estimate. Which I don't want to know for myself.

/fat
/stupid body, with all the pain, pain and more pain
 
2014-03-10 04:46:25 AM  

ReapTheChaos: I've been saying this for years, drinking is going to be the next smoking. They've already started the ball rolling by defining "binge drinking" as having only four beers, now if you skip lunch because you want to have a 6 pack that night you're not only a binge drinker, but you have an eating disorder. It's going to keep on until drinkers are looked at like those disgusting, filthy smokers.


If this happens then I am going to demand that my work start allowing me my 15 minutes beer break every hour.  You know, like smokers.  Will there also be designated drinking areas?
 
2014-03-10 05:15:19 AM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: ReapTheChaos: I've been saying this for years, drinking is going to be the next smoking. They've already started the ball rolling by defining "binge drinking" as having only four beers, now if you skip lunch because you want to have a 6 pack that night you're not only a binge drinker, but you have an eating disorder. It's going to keep on until drinkers are looked at like those disgusting, filthy smokers.

If this happens then I am going to demand that my work start allowing me my 15 minutes beer break every hour.  You know, like smokers.  Will there also be designated drinking areas?


I hope they start making alcohol patches for people who are trying to "quit".  I could put one under my shirt and have a bit of a buzz going when I'm at work.
 
2014-03-10 05:22:44 AM  

darkjezter: 5 star chef of tv dinners: ReapTheChaos: I've been saying this for years, drinking is going to be the next smoking. They've already started the ball rolling by defining "binge drinking" as having only four beers, now if you skip lunch because you want to have a 6 pack that night you're not only a binge drinker, but you have an eating disorder. It's going to keep on until drinkers are looked at like those disgusting, filthy smokers.

If this happens then I am going to demand that my work start allowing me my 15 minutes beer break every hour.  You know, like smokers.  Will there also be designated drinking areas?

I hope they start making alcohol patches for people who are trying to "quit".  I could put one under my shirt and have a bit of a buzz going when I'm at work.


Or you could sneak a shot? Just throwing that out there. Put it in your coffee. Put it in your sprite. Be creative.
 
2014-03-10 07:05:13 AM  

Solstafir: darkjezter: 5 star chef of tv dinners: ReapTheChaos: I've been saying this for years, drinking is going to be the next smoking. They've already started the ball rolling by defining "binge drinking" as having only four beers, now if you skip lunch because you want to have a 6 pack that night you're not only a binge drinker, but you have an eating disorder. It's going to keep on until drinkers are looked at like those disgusting, filthy smokers.

If this happens then I am going to demand that my work start allowing me my 15 minutes beer break every hour.  You know, like smokers.  Will there also be designated drinking areas?

I hope they start making alcohol patches for people who are trying to "quit".  I could put one under my shirt and have a bit of a buzz going when I'm at work.

Or you could sneak a shot? Just throwing that out there. Put it in your coffee. Put it in your sprite. Be creative.


Yes, but that carries the risk of people smelling it on your breath.  A more sneaky way of getting a buzz would be useful.
 
2014-03-10 08:13:25 AM  

kazikian: wildcardjack: kazikian: You mean, a drinking problem.

Eating disorders get more insurance coverage. Being a drunk is just a lack of moral fibre. Says it right there in the DSM-5.

I feel it's almost the other way around. The disease model of addiction is almost universally accepted, whereas the response to eating disorders is often "SAMMICH."


The disease model is accepted, but the treatment for alcohol is spiritual, at best, religious/ineffective at worst.
 
2014-03-10 08:27:39 AM  
I eat more when I'm going to go drinking. Never known anyone eat less because the re drinking. Why would anyone eat less? seriously why?
 
2014-03-10 08:49:10 AM  

goatan: I eat more when I'm going to go drinking. Never known anyone eat less because the re drinking. Why would anyone eat less? seriously why?


Because you get drunker for less $.

Pill addicts do it all the time, even carving out 3 hours of their day to not eat a bite so that their pill works better.
 
2014-03-10 08:51:48 AM  
 I stopped eating ramen/couple slices of pizza/take-out sandwich for lunch and instead eat an apple or pear, so I can "save" those calories for a drink later on.  So I guess that means I have a disorder?

No, you dumbass reporter, it means that I'm conscious of the fact that I'm gaining weight and want to get a handle on it.  And I would rather have a martini or a couple of glasses of wine at dinner with the wife, than eat a crappy take-out lunch.

I'm 50 -- have gained 50 lbs in the last 20 years (I was skinny as a rail before).  Need to do something before I turn into a whale.  Gained the typical 2lbs/year that many people do after 30.  It adds up so slowly you don't really notice..

/I sound fat
// not for long. Diet and exercise!
 
2014-03-10 09:02:54 AM  
Donate blood; get drunk super cheap!
 
2014-03-10 10:49:57 AM  
FTA: Assuming each drink has 150 calories, an extra 7 -8 drinks a week would take almost a month to add up to even one pound of weight gain.

How about no. Alcoholic beverages will make you fat, but writer needs to learn more about physiology. I doubt the article is suggesting that booze makes you gain muscle or water weight.
 
2014-03-10 11:05:59 AM  
Ok, seriously?

According to TFA, if I have a glass of wine every night, but two on Saturday, I'm a binge drinking alcoholic? Get the fark outta here! That's ridiculous to the point of absurdity.

Dear people who made that shiat up, have you ever actually met an alcoholic--in or out of recovery? Jesus, the stupidity of "experts."

In other news, not eating would get you drunk much faster, causing you to (hopefully) drink less, so let the kids have their fun. They'll outgrow it (at least, most of them will).
 
2014-03-10 11:12:36 AM  

Fonaibung: EdNortonsTwin: Another source says at  5'10," with a slim frame, I am obese at 170lbs.

Ummmm...no.

What source?


The BMI chart hanging in every doctor room in the VA. No, I'm not kidding (except it says overweight, not obese). Yes, it's utter bullshiat. I've got a friend who's 5' 10" and 170 and nowhere near overweight. In fact, she looks like she needs a sammich or ten. But the gov't still goes by the BMI chart (my doctor, from India, ignores the damn thing, looks at my weight, looks at me, and says, "yeah, BMI is bullshiat. If you lost 30 lbs, you'd look like a cancer patient with AIDS.")
 
2014-03-10 11:36:35 AM  

darkjezter: Solstafir: Or you could sneak a shot? Just throwing that out there. Put it in your coffee. Put it in your sprite. Be creative.

Yes, but that carries the risk of people smelling it on your breath.  A more sneaky way of getting a buzz would be useful.


Sadly, most breath-alcohol stank comes from your blood carrying it across your lungs, not from the swallowing, which evaporates in a minute or two.

Now, that nasty rolled-out-of-bed-without-brushing-after-a-bender aroma, that's all on us.

/Combine with bouquet of cigarette and you have one of my high school teachers.
//TFA is pure facepalm, from stupid name to stupid moralizing. And they've never seen actual binge drinking, apparently.
 
2014-03-10 12:02:36 PM  

moeburn: goatan: I eat more when I'm going to go drinking. Never known anyone eat less because the re drinking. Why would anyone eat less? seriously why?

Because you get drunker for less $.

Pill addicts do it all the time, even carving out 3 hours of their day to not eat a bite so that their pill works better.


Interesting that makes sense although I have only ever known people eat more so they spend longer drinking and have more fun before you get sloppy.
 
2014-03-10 12:05:38 PM  

Aigoo: Fonaibung: EdNortonsTwin: Another source says at  5'10," with a slim frame, I am obese at 170lbs.

Ummmm...no.

What source?

The BMI chart hanging in every doctor room in the VA. No, I'm not kidding (except it says overweight, not obese). Yes, it's utter bullshiat. I've got a friend who's 5' 10" and 170 and nowhere near overweight. In fact, she looks like she needs a sammich or ten. But the gov't still goes by the BMI chart (my doctor, from India, ignores the damn thing, looks at my weight, looks at me, and says, "yeah, BMI is bullshiat. If you lost 30 lbs, you'd look like a cancer patient with AIDS.")


Congats, the world has gotten so fat that even slightly overweight people now look skinny as hell and are being told to eat sammichs (well, some of that is probably jealousy/sabbotage and an attempt to fatten up up the lean amongst us). I dont want to defend the BMI because body fat % is a much more accurate measure of health, but those that complain about the inaccuracies of BMI should know that BMI underestimates fatness in the average population. Yea, I know, I know, all of Fark and associates are statistical outliers that fall on the exact opposite of that trend...

/everyone should just put down the booze and pick up a dumbbell
//incidentally, I'm 5'10" with a medium frame (had it measured) and am relatively thin by both BF% and BMI standards but I can still safely lose some weight...
 
2014-03-10 12:47:19 PM  
elysive:
/everyone should just put down the booze and pick up a dumbbell
//incidentally, I'm 5'10" with a medium frame (had it measured) and am relatively thin by both BF% and BMI standards but I can still safely lose some weight...


You included your height and frame, but forgot to mention how deep into the autism spectrum you are.
 
2014-03-10 01:09:12 PM  

Aigoo: Ok, seriously?

According to TFA, if I have a glass of wine every night, but two on Saturday, I'm a binge drinking alcoholic? Get the fark outta here! That's ridiculous to the point of absurdity.


Alcohol abuse comes in many forms, not all of which fit neatly in the "need a drink to function every day" or "can't control my drinking" kinds of behavior that we typically associate with the term "alcoholism."   And while "binge drinking" is typically used to refer to excessive quantities in one sitting, reputable medical authorities do consider exceeding a certain amount of weekly drinking to be dangerous due to an increased risk of developing alcohol dependence.

Dear people who made that shiat up, have you ever actually met an alcoholic--in or out of recovery? Jesus, the stupidity of "experts."

I'm fairly certain that the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (cited in the article as the source of the figures) are pretty knowledgeable about this subject - and probably have, in fact, met a great many alcoholics.  So yeah, they are experts, and according to expert research, "alcohol abuse is rising. Around 1 out of 6 people in the United States have a drinking problem."

And failure to maintain a proper, healthy diet is a symptom of alcohol abuse - so this author seems to be touching on a reasonable cause for concern (skipping meals is not healthy, no matter how you slice it).  And the author clearly is not talking about responsible calorie management - she specifically identifies "people who struggle with drunkorexia make an extreme effort to cut calories dangerously. They're likely to skip some or all meals during a day, then binge drink at night."

America has a very, very unhealthy drinking culture.  We consume too much, too frequently (as we do with many other things, I suppose) and we rarely discuss healthy habits and limits.
 
2014-03-10 01:15:04 PM  

Solstafir: elysive:
/everyone should just put down the booze and pick up a dumbbell
//incidentally, I'm 5'10" with a medium frame (had it measured) and am relatively thin by both BF% and BMI standards but I can still safely lose some weight...

You included your height and frame, but forgot to mention how deep into the autism spectrum you are.


If being honest and breaching the self delusions of anonymous Farkers makes someone autistic, then it's a miracle I can type or even emote beyond basic grunting.

Is that funny enough? I'm sorry I'm not more skilled at joking about autism. It is a knee-slapper of a disease though.
 
2014-03-10 03:11:16 PM  

Aigoo: Fonaibung: EdNortonsTwin: Another source says at  5'10," with a slim frame, I am obese at 170lbs.

Ummmm...no.

What source?

The BMI chart hanging in every doctor room in the VA. No, I'm not kidding (except it says overweight, not obese). Yes, it's utter bullshiat. I've got a friend who's 5' 10" and 170 and nowhere near overweight. In fact, she looks like she needs a sammich or ten. But the gov't still goes by the BMI chart (my doctor, from India, ignores the damn thing, looks at my weight, looks at me, and says, "yeah, BMI is bullshiat. If you lost 30 lbs, you'd look like a cancer patient with AIDS.")



I'm 5'9 and I think BMI says I should be like 140-150 lbs.  When I was 140lbs, people thought I was sick.

When I was 170lbs with less than 10% body fat I was at near peak physical condition and pretty jacked.

Now I'm pretty legitly fat...but old man fat, so I carry it better than I would when I was 20.
 
2014-03-10 07:10:42 PM  

ladyfortuna: PillsHere:

I wouldn't say it's obese, but it's overweight.  Last I checked at 5'10 a person should be between 140-160 or 145-165 (I read both at different points).  If you were a slim frame, you should be around 140-145 I guess, so by that logic, 170 might be obese under some definitions.  However, I don't think most people would consider it to be obese when we think of obesity.

MMmmmm bullshiat. I'm two inches shorter and my 'ideal' weight is 150.

BMI is a crock of shiat anyway; I used to run height and weight for Army MOS schools, and we once measured a guy who was so jacked he made Mr. Clean look skinny; yet the BMI formula put him as 'overweight'. Basically his neck was thick enough with muscles to throw off the formula rather drastically.

Now, get an actual electronic body fat thing, then you can make a much better estimate. Which I don't want to know for myself.

/fat
/stupid body, with all the pain, pain and more pain


BMI is stupid because you found one exception? LOL. I love these anecdotes.

Aigoo: Fonaibung: EdNortonsTwin: Another source says at  5'10," with a slim frame, I am obese at 170lbs.

Ummmm...no.

What source?

The BMI chart hanging in every doctor room in the VA. No, I'm not kidding (except it says overweight, not obese). Yes, it's utter bullshiat. I've got a friend who's 5' 10" and 170 and nowhere near overweight. In fact, she looks like she needs a sammich or ten. But the gov't still goes by the BMI chart (my doctor, from India, ignores the damn thing, looks at my weight, looks at me, and says, "yeah, BMI is bullshiat. If you lost 30 lbs, you'd look like a cancer patient with AIDS.")


5'10 @ 170 is in the normal range of BMI, not overweight, and definitely not obese.

2KanZam: I'm 5'9 and I think BMI says I should be like 140-150 lbs.


For a 5'9" person, the upper end of normal is at 168 lbs.

C'mon, you guys are just making shiat up.
 
2014-03-10 07:40:19 PM  

Aigoo: Ok, seriously?

According to TFA, if I have a glass of wine every night, but two on Saturday, I'm a binge drinking alcoholic?


That's actually not what TFA is saying at all. They're accusing people who go out of their way to eat less on days they know they'll be drinking of having an eating disorder/alcoholism.

/because how DARE somebody want to catch a cheap buzz every now and then!
 
2014-03-10 09:47:55 PM  
Fonaibung:

BMI is stupid because you found one exception?

No actually I found lots more (probably 5-10% of total who passed through our station), that's just my favorite one. Let's see, there was a girl who was so 'top heavy' they wanted to put her on a weight control diet, until they realized she was just really well endowed. She had a very difficult time doing pushups to the 'form' standard, let's put it that way. Military people will know what I'm talking about... the rest of you can just use your imaginations.
 
2014-03-11 12:04:57 AM  

ladyfortuna: Fonaibung:

BMI is stupid because you found one exception?

No actually I found lots more (probably 5-10% of total who passed through our station), that's just my favorite one. Let's see, there was a girl who was so 'top heavy' they wanted to put her on a weight control diet, until they realized she was just really well endowed. She had a very difficult time doing pushups to the 'form' standard, let's put it that way. Military people will know what I'm talking about... the rest of you can just use your imaginations.


So BMI was accurate roughly 90% of the time?

That's a pretty damn good success rate for something that only takes your height and weight into account. Imagine being able to predict how good of a driver one is, using just two numbers, with 90% accuracy.

I really don't understand the hatred for BMI when you consider how well-predictive it is.
 
2014-03-11 11:54:36 AM  
My anorexia has a drinking problem?

MOAR LIKE MY PROBLEM DRINKING HAS ANOREXIA A

/amiright?
 
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