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2014-03-10 01:24:59 AM  
Secede and then go fark yourselves, Texans.
 
2014-03-10 01:34:04 AM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: meow said the dog: voodoomedic: meow said the dog: voodoomedic: August11: If I were a Texan, I'd be on my best behavior. Meaning I'd move to Ohio. And start a meal delivery and dog walking and reading service for the elderly gay community with Alzheimer's. And I would read to them Henry Miller novels. But I would change the names and situations so the sex scenes in the novels were homosexual.

/sick of Texas and stories about Texans

as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there

Holy shiat you are a moron.

and to think, I once sponsored you...sniff....how the times have changed

We can still do the sexing. I will just use the monosyllabic word of safety for you.

And with this alone, Meow comes back off my ignore list because that was awesome.


You really shouldn't encourage it.
 
2014-03-10 01:38:03 AM  

shtychkn: Lee451: A good and proper atheist like "Uncle Joe" Stalin would have taken care of these guys like no religious person could. These guys would have been terminated and the average citizen would live as these mentally handicapped guys did. 

/But...but...the religious are the bad guys!
//Atheists are just misunderstood!

no.  But Stalin would not have done the mental gymnastics to think he was doing good by them ether.  Which is what the poster was saying.


Why not? Reaaalllly few people wake up in the morning twirling a black mustache going "TODAY, I SHALL DO EVIL, NYAHAHAHAH."

Maybe you have chronotelepathy, and can read the minds of past leaders, though.
 
2014-03-10 01:46:29 AM  

MisterTweak: I've got a family member who is mentally quite limited. the possibility of me passing away and him ending up in the custody of Texas is actually a very real concern. never hear the legislature managing to stop annoying abortion clinics long enough to discuss disabled adults.

probably because that would require actually doing something.


On this I am torn:

They had work a megar stipend and a room with meals. I'm California such people end up on the street. Should we be angry? A resounding yes. A new federal mental hygiene law with funds to house such people with a job simple enough to give them some dignity. We need to care for the people that can never care for themselves. This also should require permanate birth control.
But we have to deal with the ACLU the democrats and the republicans so this will never be.
We bear this shame as a people and a country.

/:/ this makes me sick
 
2014-03-10 01:50:28 AM  

Animatronik: If they were working for slave wages and not covered by labor laws, then they were wards of the company and/or the state. The assets of all the entities involved should be used to care for the men who are still alive.


They should be required to help build a home for these people or we can just use their home and make the former owners housekeeping staff.
 
2014-03-10 01:54:31 AM  
My 35 year-old older brother has a condition called Cri du Chat. While he will never be able to function enough to be exploited in the manner described in the TFA, stories like that still make me all stabby. It's cliche, but yeah, the mentally disabled are wonderful and full-of-life.

He is well looked after, here in BC. There's 2 other residents in his home supported round-the-clock by trained caregivers.

He likes wrestling and hockey, and delivers newspapers with the help of one of his caregivers. (he keeps the money)
 
2014-03-10 02:02:22 AM  

TerminalEchoes: Chess players and math professors are mentally challenged. Did you mean "retarded?"


No, they mean "exceptional".  Didn't you read the article?
 
2014-03-10 02:03:55 AM  

Duke_leto_Atredes: MisterTweak: I've got a family member who is mentally quite limited. the possibility of me passing away and him ending up in the custody of Texas is actually a very real concern. never hear the legislature managing to stop annoying abortion clinics long enough to discuss disabled adults.

probably because that would require actually doing something.

On this I am torn:

They had work a megar stipend and a room with meals. I'm California such people end up on the street. Should we be angry? A resounding yes. A new federal mental hygiene law with funds to house such people with a job simple enough to give them some dignity. We need to care for the people that can never care for themselves. This also should require permanate birth control.
But we have to deal with the ACLU the democrats and the republicans so this will never be.
We bear this shame as a people and a country.

/:/ this makes me sick


This
 
2014-03-10 02:37:20 AM  

shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon


Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.
 
2014-03-10 02:43:25 AM  

Felgraf: Reaaalllly few people wake up in the morning twirling a black mustache going "TODAY, I SHALL DO EVIL, NYAHAHAHAH."


I do.
 
2014-03-10 02:44:40 AM  
A steady job with health care is better than sleeping in a doorway in San Francisco.
 
2014-03-10 02:46:00 AM  

OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.


wut?
 
2014-03-10 02:51:52 AM  

JSTACAT: SithLord: And if the State had their way, the mentally challenged individuals would be tortured, maimed and killed in an asylum against their will.

But I guess the liberals think that's a better, more final solution.

I'm no liberal, but i'll tell you there is a better way.
I think the state leaders are very concerned and looking for a better way, thats why we are reading & gnawing on this article.
 You cant just write off a whole state because of some mistakes people made while trying to help.
A lot of those "victims" are grateful they didn't rot in a cage, or die in the street & now, they may even get some fame & money.
End result seems ok.
The issue being raised and exposed is disturbing, the consequences of shirking a solution are horrible.

It will be the likes of me that will have to get folks on point and do something that works.


I dont stand no mess
yeah...


How will you make a change? Or are you saying "people like me" in a generic way?

Honest question.
 
2014-03-10 03:01:07 AM  

OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.


Oh wow.

History fail.
 
2014-03-10 03:02:03 AM  

log_jammin: OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.

wut?


The idea of strict prohibition on recreational intoxicants other than alcohol and tobacco predates either Johnson or Nixon by decades, so neither could reasonably be said to have started it. Wikipedia does indicate some further action to increase drug enforcement by both Johnson and Nixon, though it talks quite a bit more about Nixon's activities, including the fact that the phrase "War on Drugs" became popular during his administration.

I'm pretty sure OgreMagi just had a brainfart mixing up the two presidents. :)
 
2014-03-10 03:02:46 AM  

zedster: FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."

*rage twitch*

//Submitter
///took me a while to read the whole article


Thanks for posting that, zedster. I don't know which I want to do more, cry or punch somebody.
 
2014-03-10 03:04:18 AM  

studebaker hoch: A steady job with health care is better than sleeping in a doorway in San Francisco.


Health care? They had no health insurance, not even Medicaid. Even though they most likely qualified for the latter.

Did you actually RTFA?

Did you read about the deplorable conditions these men were forced to live in, work in? They didn't choose to work in the turkey processing plant. They were given no choice, unlike their non-disabled co-workers.
 
2014-03-10 03:05:23 AM  

o'really: OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.

Oh wow.

History fail.


I'm talking about the War on Drugs, not the Vietnam War.
 
2014-03-10 03:05:32 AM  

SithLord: And if the State had their way, the mentally challenged individuals would be tortured, maimed and killed in an asylum against their will.

But I guess the liberals think that's a better, more final solution.


how in the fark did you come to that conclusion??

especially since "the state" saved these people(decades too late) and did the exact opposite of having them  "tortured, maimed and killed in an asylum against their will."

The free market conservative in this case is the one who held these people in squalor against their will. not the farking state.
 
2014-03-10 03:05:33 AM  

studebaker hoch: A steady job with health care is better than sleeping in a doorway in San Francisco.


The people in the article were denied basic levels of health care and housing.

Services for the developmentally disabled are quite extensive in CA.
Not so for the mentally ill.

But choosing between the two? No one should have to live in either condition.
 
2014-03-10 03:07:20 AM  

OgreMagi: I'm talking about the War on Drugs, not the Vietnam War.


yes. your history fail is where you apparently don't know that Nixon was elected AFTER Johnson.
 
2014-03-10 03:07:55 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Did you actually RTFA?


I don't even bother asking that anymore.
 
2014-03-10 04:08:12 AM  

Duke_leto_Atredes: We bear this shame as a people and a country


It's more than shame IMO... it's an atrocity; crime against humanity almost.

How much cash did we 'lose' in Iraq?

How much did we spend on both wars, essentially to defend our world image and control oil interests?

Those in dire need of mental health care (and shiat, medical care while we're at it) could have lived very comfortably on that money. But instead, we pissed it away on controversial conflicts instead of caring for our own citizens, because 'they should just stop being poor/disabled/etc'.

/bitter at the world
//late night rambling
 
2014-03-10 04:08:40 AM  

log_jammin: OgreMagi: I'm talking about the War on Drugs, not the Vietnam War.

yes. your history fail is where you apparently don't know that Nixon was elected AFTER Johnson.


D'oh.  It's late and I'm tired.  Yes, I failed.  Fark me.
 
2014-03-10 04:37:24 AM  

OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.


I guess anyone can be a TF'er.
 
2014-03-10 04:46:45 AM  
The guy who set up this and did that to these men deserves to be kicked in the balls by a train of missouri mules.
 
2014-03-10 04:52:40 AM  
The mentally disabled.

The truth is that nobody,  other than their parents,  want them around.  They are an inconvenience, costly and a drain on society.   And the sad fact is even their parents do not want them around after a period of time.

Nobody is going to be their to take care of them when the parents die and they will end up in institutes and many of those people taking care of them will get fed up and become abusive.

If you are  pregnant and have been told that your child has an above average risk of being mentally disabled get an abortion.   The child will not know it has happened, but you can be sure they will if you have them.

If your child is mentally disabled due to an accident or illness then I wish you all the best, because I have seen the best destroyed by it.

As sad as it is to say these sort of abuses will always occur and will never stop because the mentally disabled are a burden and often even those who love them at the beginning learn to hate them as they destroy every part of their lives.

No I am not being dramatic.
 
2014-03-10 05:01:37 AM  

log_jammin: yes. your history fail is where you apparently don't know that Nixon was elected AFTER Johnson.


Which proves how devious and evil Johnson was.

ladyfortuna: Those in dire need of mental health care (and shiat, medical care while we're at it) could have lived very comfortably on that money. But instead, we pissed it away on controversial conflicts instead of caring for our own citizens, because 'they should just stop being poor/disabled/etc'.


A lot of people are making good wages designing and building the POS called the F35 joint strike fighter. That thing compares very unfavorably with the few hundreds of tons of sliced turkey breasts these guys were producing. Yet who gets the money to buy nice things and who lived in a roach infested falling down old school house.
 
2014-03-10 05:35:07 AM  

OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.


You know Nixon came after LBJ
 
2014-03-10 05:49:54 AM  
Honest to god we got someone defending slavery in this thread cause that's what went on in the article. That was terrible and everyone turning a blind eye to it is even worse.
 
2014-03-10 05:53:18 AM  
Strictly, and transparently, administered Worker's Co-operatives, for the mentally disabled, do not attract skimming third parties.

Just as a Rural Electric Co-op is owned by the members of the Co-op (all income generated above that required for upgrade/maintenance/repair to system is returned,, by check, annually, to the vested members).  Consider a  Worker's Co-op for the disabled to be similar sort of Social Utility.
 
2014-03-10 06:24:02 AM  

Guest: The mentally disabled.

The truth is that nobody,  other than their parents,  want them around.  They are an inconvenience, costly and a drain on society.   And the sad fact is even their parents do not want them around after a period of time.

Nobody is going to be their to take care of them when the parents die and they will end up in institutes and many of those people taking care of them will get fed up and become abusive.

If you are  pregnant and have been told that your child has an above average risk of being mentally disabled get an abortion.   The child will not know it has happened, but you can be sure they will if you have them.

If your child is mentally disabled due to an accident or illness then I wish you all the best, because I have seen the best destroyed by it.

As sad as it is to say these sort of abuses will always occur and will never stop because the mentally disabled are a burden and often even those who love them at the beginning learn to hate them as they destroy every part of their lives.

No I am not being dramatic.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-10 06:42:20 AM  
Glad to see this show up on Fark. Read it last night and was appalled. Not so much that it had happened - though that it went on so long was depressing as all hell. Rather that those in charge or in a position to fix things either convinced themselves of their charity* or turned a blind eye to the abuses. Not that I can get too high and mighty. In my history I've certainly worked with dishwashers who were paid less than minimum wage simply because they were handicapped, despite doing the work better than just about anyone you could hire for such a job in the Midwest.

* It really grinds my gears that Mr. Turkey Inseminator has convinced himself that he was doing these men a good turn by ripping them off for 30 years. He obviously believes that what he and the rancher did for them was an act of charity, despite paying them a pittance and allowing their living conditions to deteriorate so badly. And then, of course, failing in his promise and duty to provide them with a retirement; which was for their benefit, seeing as how he'd let them be treated while they were toiling for him and the dead guy.
 
2014-03-10 07:20:32 AM  
I'm sympathizing with the Texans in this thread (and I'm from California!). 

You can't simply blame one state for all of this-- the thing is, this happens *everywhere*.  I'm not saying it's justified (I have friends of family that had to work in Chinese sweat shops at some point in their lives-- in yes, my state), but it's the nature of some human beings to take horrible advantage of their fellows.  It's a sad thing that we all need to be aware of and not let history repeat itself (I mean, for chrissakes look at what's happening at labor factories in China and India).  We can't go back in time to correct the abuse others have suffered, but we can work to change the future so this kind of disgust won't have to tarnish our lives again. 

Really sad article, but glad the boys got a content life in the end.  Thanks for the article, subby.
 
2014-03-10 07:29:15 AM  

IBreakdance2NIN: [i.imgur.com image 245x196]


What film is that from?
 
2014-03-10 07:32:59 AM  
 
2014-03-10 08:42:04 AM  
It's a beautiful article about a horrible story... but shiat like that is going on in a much more massive scale all around the world.

Also, cough Qatar, cough.
 
2014-03-10 08:59:19 AM  

Walker: See this coming towards you? Run for your f*cking life.
[graphics8.nytimes.com image 640x360]


See, round here they use "nightmare fuel" for totally lame crap. However, a gang of 'tarded clowns is truly something to run the fark away from.
 
2014-03-10 09:25:42 AM  

obamadidcoke: Texas spent 6.2 billion on disability services in 2012, more than any other state. 2 billion of that was spent on over 43,000 intellectually disabled individuals 3/4 of which are cared for in their local communities.


That's great.  But unless you see how that money was used exactly, it doesn't mean much.  Also "total amount" isn't as illuminating as "per capita".

My cousin's half brother is intellectually disabled.  I'm pretty sure he makes more money than I do.
 
2014-03-10 09:43:49 AM  

A Terrible Human: Honest to god we got someone defending slavery in this thread cause that's what went on in the article. That was terrible and everyone turning a blind eye to it is even worse.


Yep.  Remember this thread the next time someone hands you that "Christianity ended slavery" B.S.

/is prepared to give them partial credit
//in about 3900 A.D.
 
2014-03-10 09:45:32 AM  
ha, I posted that early:

Because he works his ass off, and his first job (locally owned, union) was really patient with him.  He still has that job, and two other gigs on top of it.  My cousin and her husband also kick all sorts of ass for taking care of him, but yep.

This sort of crap makes me sick.  At least my cousin got a new extended family (she didn't know my uncle was her father until after her mother died), and even if something happens to them there's over a dozen people now who'll take him in.  I can't imagine how much it must suck for caretakers that don't have that safety net.  :/
 
2014-03-10 09:47:04 AM  

PunGent: A Terrible Human: Honest to god we got someone defending slavery in this thread cause that's what went on in the article. That was terrible and everyone turning a blind eye to it is even worse.

Yep.  Remember this thread the next time someone hands you that "Christianity ended slavery" B.S.

/is prepared to give them partial credit
//in about 3900 A.D.


That's a thing?

I mean, I'm sure Christianity was a guiding principle behind some of the abolitionists, but that's a thing?
 
2014-03-10 10:06:42 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: PunGent: A Terrible Human: Honest to god we got someone defending slavery in this thread cause that's what went on in the article. That was terrible and everyone turning a blind eye to it is even worse.

Yep.  Remember this thread the next time someone hands you that "Christianity ended slavery" B.S.

/is prepared to give them partial credit
//in about 3900 A.D.

That's a thing?

I mean, I'm sure Christianity was a guiding principle behind some of the abolitionists, but that's a thing?


Yep, got me banned from FreeRepublic once, and I've had other online disagreements about it.  One in a D&D/rpg forum, of all places.

/Sorry, Christians, there were some influential religious abolitionists, but the Bible was also used as justification for  slavery for centuries
//gotta take the good with the bad
///some other religions are worse
 
2014-03-10 10:15:41 AM  

shtychkn: OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.

You know Nixon came after LBJ


And Clinton came after L's BJ
 
2014-03-10 11:29:16 AM  

fusillade762: Therion: You would think that electing them to Senate positions was proper recompense.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 550x386]

Or the House.


They have double-digit IQ's, which makes them WILDLY overqualified for the House.
 
2014-03-10 11:32:41 AM  

Gulper Eel: Benevolent Misanthrope: Iowa. They lived in Iowa.

Shut up. This is now a when-in-doubt-piss-on-Texas thread. Actually reading the article is no longer relevant.


Maybe if Texas didn't need pissing on so often, but you know, lie down with dogs....
 
2014-03-10 12:33:06 PM  

Guest: The mentally disabled.

The truth is that nobody,  other than their parents,  want them around.  They are an inconvenience, costly and a drain on society.   And the sad fact is even their parents do not want them around after a period of time.

Nobody is going to be their to take care of them when the parents die and they will end up in institutes and many of those people taking care of them will get fed up and become abusive.

If you are  pregnant and have been told that your child has an above average risk of being mentally disabled get an abortion.   The child will not know it has happened, but you can be sure they will if you have them.

If your child is mentally disabled due to an accident or illness then I wish you all the best, because I have seen the best destroyed by it.

As sad as it is to say these sort of abuses will always occur and will never stop because the mentally disabled are a burden and often even those who love them at the beginning learn to hate them as they destroy every part of their lives.

No I am not being dramatic.


Well that's... urk, I want to disagree with you, but...
 
2014-03-10 01:46:03 PM  

craigdamage: Enough of this Tex-bashing. I have lived in Dallas my entire life. (45 years) There is no more corruption,idiocy,racism ....etc....etc....than anywhere else.

Every single time I have ever encountered someone who is visiting Texas for the first time they ALWAYS state that it is no way like they had expected.


If you have lived in Texas your entire life, how do you *know* how people in the other 49 treat each other?

I consider you a judge of things in Texas, not in comparing Texas to other places.

Or is that just the Texan in you, talking shiat?
 
2014-03-10 01:46:58 PM  
Interesting read, thanks subby!

Fark should have a yearly contest similiar to the HOTY. Yes, there is lots useless stuff on Fark, but that's the point of it. However, there can be some really great posted as well. I think it would be nice to have it all together. If not a yearly collection of interesting articles, maybe a new tab similiar to sports, entertainment, etc.
 Just throwing it out there. Swat it away if you don't like it.
 
2014-03-10 02:24:42 PM  

o'really: OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.

Oh wow.

History fail.


What do you mea fail? If Reagan hadn't blown up The Maine, none of this ever would have happened.
 
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