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(The New York Times)   A look at the thousands of mentally challenged men who were held in indentured servitude and squalor on farms throughout Texas starting in the 1960s and finally ending in 2009   (nytimes.com) divider line 205
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2014-03-09 11:45:23 PM  

ksdanj: The state of Texas is pure evil.

/'nuff said...


You do realize most of that story occurred in Ohio

People are jerks, especially to those they can exploit
 
2014-03-09 11:45:48 PM  

obamadidcoke: sonorangal: If the town liked the men so much, did no one including the preacher of the church ever go visit them to see the conditions they lived in?

Because Iowans are inhuman pieces of crap who lack basic human decency?


FTA:  That you apparently didn't read...

"When the dozens of Texans first came to town, raising its population to a record 360, T. H. Johnson invited Atalissans to the schoolhouse for Christmas socials and summertime barbecues. The men showed off their pool table, exercise equipment and shared bedrooms, leaving a favorable first impression that would last."

"But Henry's Turkey Service raised suspicions from the start, prompting a review by an Iowa social worker named Ed George. In a pointed memorandum to his supervisor in December 1974, he described an exploitative operation devoid of basic freedoms. He called the business model "obscene."

I'm sure you'd react differently to stinky developmentally disabled people, right?

"True, some local residents cringed when the "boys" walked in, reeking of turkey, interrupting conversations. Sometimes you just did not want to hear again about Willie Levi's birthday, or Gene Berg's fascination with John Deere tractors, or how much beer Henry Wilkins planned to drink at the county fair. "

In the end, the real human pieces of shiat, the families that never called or wrote, the people who got rich of their labor, the ones who started the program to begin with, were all from Texas.
 
2014-03-09 11:46:03 PM  

evil saltine: ThrobblefootSpectre: ksdanj: The state of Texas is pure evil.

/'nuff said...

As is California with thousands of undocumented farm workers with conditions worse than, even more evil.

/or you could blame only those responsible

Of course most people from Texas would say this is OK.. the market will solve it, we want the government out.


I'm not from Texas, and I don't know or care what they do there.    But I am from a state where the mentally challenged were not allowed to work at all.    I've visited all the State owned facilities (which are gone now).   They had all kinds of 'recreation' and arts and crafts and books and movies and time fillers.  But they were never allowed to work.   Not even allowed to clean their own facilities.

It was an awful thing.   Take away having the patients participate and work for a small 'allowance' and you have a horrible place full of medicated zombies.  With no life.  No better off in the end than those folks in Tx.

There was no retirement homes for those people in my state either.   They closed the Gov't facilities and the people suffered, tossed out on the streets.    The mentally challenged in any state, whether private run or gov't run are not going to live a life of Rainbows and puppies.   Period.
 
2014-03-09 11:47:22 PM  
Interestingly, that turkey works is what long term incarceration will look like in the future.
Then the streets can be cleaned, and stay clean.
There is no shame or guilt in having those who can not self govern living their whole life productively on a farm. One could even say, its a form of heavenly healing, a chance to redeem the soul.
With the right attitude, it could become a preferred place for some.
Good, the more that "sign up", the more money for those who want to self govern.

Farmwork can be tough, shortening the life span, but its far better than tiny rusty cages.
Some people can not live on their own, we have to accept that & provide a merciful use for them.
In nature, all animals must earn their life, being useful, H.Sapiens is not exempt.
The workers can pay for their keep with labor. The wind, rain, snow and hot sunshine are theirs free.
Those who flunk out of that are put into the pen with the hawgs, to survive and compete, or whatever.
Arbeit Macht Frei
 
2014-03-09 11:50:27 PM  
"That's expointin' cheap labor, but hell that's Texican's creed"
 
2014-03-09 11:52:40 PM  

duffblue: Yeah Stalin, Mao, and Pol pot were quite the dyed in the wool creationists


Pol Pot was a Buddhist. He studied at a Buddhist monastery and then at a Catholic school for 8 years.
 
2014-03-09 11:53:00 PM  

Lee451: Benevolent Misanthrope: zedster: FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."

*rage twitch*


FTFA: The 2007 time sheets for Mr. Wilkins tell the tale. No matter how many hours he worked - 163 hours in one period, 139.59 in another - his earnings were always shown to be exactly $1,041.09. And his take-home pay never exceeded $65.

They were all told that the money being taken out was building them a retirement home.  But, to the surprise of absolutely no one but the developmentally disabled, there was no home and no retirement.  He left it to the State to figure it all out when he decided to retire them involuntarily from their jobs.

All through the article, I was thinking, "Only a religious person could do the mental gymnastics required to think he did nothing wrong, and was in fact doing a good deed."

I looked Kenneth Henry up.  Turns out that, in addition to being the head of the turkey business, he's also a Director for Proctor Baptist Church.

Surprise, surprise.
 

As they say in Texas, some people are in dire need of killin'.


A good and proper atheist like "Uncle Joe" Stalin would have taken care of these guys like no religious person could. These guys would have been terminated and the average citizen would live as these mentally handicapped guys did. 

/But...but...the religious are the bad guys!
//Atheists are just misunderstood!


Stalin was raised in a catholic seminary.
 
2014-03-09 11:53:18 PM  
Good thing they were safely in Iowa after the death penalty moratorium was lifted. The retards Texas doesn't elect to office we execute.
 
2014-03-09 11:53:30 PM  
obamadidcoke:
Texas spent 6.2 billion on disability services in 2012, more than any other state. 2 billion of that was spent on over 43,000 intellectually disabled individuals 3/4 of which are cared for in their local communities.


1 billion of that was spent on the Bush family.
 
2014-03-09 11:54:25 PM  

techgeek07: How could people not see something wrong this the whole time?


Normal behavior to deny something wrong is happening. We rationalize and explain away, and assume it's someone else's responsibility.
 
2014-03-09 11:57:44 PM  

Smoking GNU: Lee451: Benevolent Misanthrope: zedster: FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."

*rage twitch*


FTFA: The 2007 time sheets for Mr. Wilkins tell the tale. No matter how many hours he worked - 163 hours in one period, 139.59 in another - his earnings were always shown to be exactly $1,041.09. And his take-home pay never exceeded $65.

They were all told that the money being taken out was building them a retirement home.  But, to the surprise of absolutely no one but the developmentally disabled, there was no home and no retirement.  He left it to the State to figure it all out when he decided to retire them involuntarily from their jobs.

All through the article, I was thinking, "Only a religious person could do the mental gymnastics required to think he did nothing wrong, and was in fact doing a good deed."

I looked Kenneth Henry up.  Turns out that, in addition to being the head of the turkey business, he's also a Director for Proctor Baptist Church.

Surprise, surprise.
 

As they say in Texas, some people are in dire need of killin'.


A good and proper atheist like "Uncle Joe" Stalin would have taken care of these guys like no religious person could. These guys would have been terminated and the average citizen would live as these mentally handicapped guys did. 

/But...but...the religious are the bad guys!
//Atheists are just misunderstood!

Stalin was raised in a catholic seminary.


Stalin was raised by his family until he was sixteen, and then was shipped off to a Georgian Orthodox seminary.

Get your facts straight Tea-Tard.
 
2014-03-10 12:01:10 AM  

GardenWeasel: I read a lot here on Fark that makes me angry/disgusted/cynical/jaded, but rarely does an article literally ENRAGE me like this.


Yea, this is one of those times where I'd like to see the perpetrators live in the conditions they caused, but their either dead or close to it
 
2014-03-10 12:01:57 AM  

DarkoMilicic: obamadidcoke:
Texas spent 6.2 billion on disability services in 2012, more than any other state. 2 billion of that was spent on over 43,000 intellectually disabled individuals 3/4 of which are cared for in their local communities.


1 billion of that was spent on the Bush family.


Isn't everyone living in Texas intellectually disabled?   I mean, would anyone with normal cognitive ability voluntarily choose to reside on Texas?
 
2014-03-10 12:04:30 AM  
*trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*
 
2014-03-10 12:04:54 AM  

Kittypie070: *trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*


That just ain't right
 
2014-03-10 12:06:52 AM  
And if the State had their way, the mentally challenged individuals would be tortured, maimed and killed in an asylum against their will.

But I guess the liberals think that's a better, more final solution.
 
2014-03-10 12:07:54 AM  
for another unpleasant and slightly related item, give the Titicut Follies a watch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titicut_Follies
 
2014-03-10 12:09:09 AM  
Sometimes I wonder if the idiots are trolling or if they believe the shiat that comes out they mouth, and then I realize I just can't tell
 
2014-03-10 12:09:56 AM  

loonatic112358: Kittypie070: *trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*

That just ain't right


Well Imma feed him to the hawgs.
 
2014-03-10 12:09:59 AM  

Kittypie070: *trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*


1. - I'm fairly certain that was on the order of "A Modest Proposal".

2. - I'm also fairly certain that JSTACAT is an alt for meowsaidthedog

3. - After this story, I'll never eat turkey again.
 
2014-03-10 12:11:35 AM  
For all of you defending Texas, you may want to read up on how the United Cerebral Palsy' annual report entitled "The Case for Inclusion."

You would discover that the state fare's very poorly compared to all other states in dealing with with intellectual and developmental disabilities (ID/DD).

In fact, in the latest rankings, when compared to all 50 States and DC - Texas comes in 49th! and has been a constant cellar dweller for decades now.

So, I really don't want to hear how great Texas is when it comes to dealing with these issues.

http://www.ucp.org/the-case-for-inclusion/2013/

 
2014-03-10 12:13:13 AM  

Kittypie070: loonatic112358: Kittypie070: *trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*

That just ain't right

Well Imma feed him to the hawgs.


That's not fit for hogs
 
2014-03-10 12:13:42 AM  
Enough of this Tex-bashing. I have lived in Dallas my entire life. (45 years) There is no more corruption,idiocy,racism ....etc....etc....than anywhere else.

Every single time I have ever encountered someone who is visiting Texas for the first time they ALWAYS state that it is no way like they had expected.
 
2014-03-10 12:15:58 AM  
This is so profoundly disturbing, I just don't know...
 
2014-03-10 12:18:10 AM  

cmb53208: This is so profoundly disturbing, I just don't know...


It's up there with with this on things that should never have happened I think. Why do people treat other people as disposable objects to be used

www.pbs.org/tpt/slavery-by-another-name/
 
2014-03-10 12:18:31 AM  
""They were paying their own way, they were holding down a job, and they weren't depending on the government," he says. And yes, he says, he misses the "boys."

"It's like children. You know?"

Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked."


Oh, you poor oppressed baby you. Whining about employment laws and regulations. You know, those laws and regulations that exist because skeevy little "men" like you exist out there, trying to take advantage of the disadvantaged!


/Bet this corksucker still has a Romney bumper sticker on his car.
 
2014-03-10 12:19:07 AM  
www.davidicke.com
 
2014-03-10 12:20:38 AM  
No alts, thats cowardly.

meanwhile, a thinking being has to admit the current system of segregating the fit from the unfit isn't working. Its an embarrassment to all the animal kingdom.

Unless the unfit are quickly slaughtered, then what can be done for them?
Jails & penitentiary & mental wards are not doing the job they are supposed to do, its slow torture.
Torture is not civilised, work on a farm is civilisation at its most basic.
Ask any 'lifer' which he or she would respect more, as correction... life in a cage or solitary, or a life of working with plants & animals, seeing nature everyday, and a chance to die easy,with a clean heart.

C'mon peeps, get a conscience, and maybe some real social change will be possible.
 
2014-03-10 12:22:09 AM  

loonatic112358: Kittypie070: loonatic112358: Kittypie070: *trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*

That just ain't right

Well Imma feed him to the hawgs.

That's not fit for hogs


OK....how about if I leave him for the roaches?
 
2014-03-10 12:27:04 AM  
www.bizpacreview.com
 
2014-03-10 12:28:06 AM  
damn, what is it with the south and enslaving people?  Are you folks just evil down there or what?
 
2014-03-10 12:28:30 AM  
When business whines about regulations this is the kind of thing/situation I relate it to.

That saying," Business want less regulations for the same reason thieves want fewer police - so they can get away with murder"

My good friend and Phd (as I've mentioned in the past) tells me "It's just . . . human nature . . ."

I wonder about that.

And still un-repenetent about his  methods.
I wish there was a hell for him to roast in.
 
2014-03-10 12:32:44 AM  

voodoomedic: August11: If I were a Texan, I'd be on my best behavior. Meaning I'd move to Ohio. And start a meal delivery and dog walking and reading service for the elderly gay community with Alzheimer's. And I would read to them Henry Miller novels. But I would change the names and situations so the sex scenes in the novels were homosexual.

/sick of Texas and stories about Texans

as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there


But the men were from Texas, the company was from Texas, and apparently this all started in Texas and the men were moved up to Iowa. So, I think blame on Texas is justified. But blame on Iowa should be heaped as well.
 
2014-03-10 12:34:16 AM  

Lee451: A good and proper atheist like "Uncle Joe" Stalin would have taken care of these guys like no religious person could. These guys would have been terminated and the average citizen would live as these mentally handicapped guys did. 

/But...but...the religious are the bad guys!
//Atheists are just misunderstood!


no.  But Stalin would not have done the mental gymnastics to think he was doing good by them ether.  Which is what the poster was saying.
 
2014-03-10 12:35:12 AM  

OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?


I think you mean Nixon
 
2014-03-10 12:35:19 AM  

Marcintosh: Business want less regulations for the same reason thieves want fewer police - so they can get away with murder"


so goes with those who demand no voter identification.....MURDER
 
2014-03-10 12:37:35 AM  

craigdamage: Enough of this Tex-bashing. I have lived in Dallas my entire life. (45 years) There is no more corruption,idiocy,racism ....etc....etc....than anywhere else.

Every single time I have ever encountered someone who is visiting Texas for the first time they ALWAYS state that it is no way like they had expected.


Well, let's face it Craig, part of that is geography.  Considering how large Texas is, one would have a hard time reconciling they were in the same part of the country, much less the same state if you traveled from Texarkana, to El Paso, to Harlingen, to Port Arthur and Amarillo.

Amarillo, Tx to Harlingen TX is right at 770 miles.  For  purposes of comparison:

Port Arthur, TX to Jacksonville, FL = 784 miles;

El Paso, TX to San Diego, CA = 723 miles; and

Texarkana, TX to Indianapolis, IN = 725 miles.

It should come as no surprise, depending upon where the visitor lands in Texas, that it won't likely match their preconceived ideas and I bet I could find them someplace in Texas that likely would, depending upon the preconceptions.  From mountain forests, to bayous, to desert, to open plains, etc.
 
2014-03-10 12:39:38 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: And they say slavery ended with the Civil War.


www.troll.me
 
2014-03-10 12:40:10 AM  

craigdamage: Every single time I have ever encountered someone who is visiting Texas for the first time they ALWAYS state that it is no way like they had expected.


Yeah but do you really think they would say "Boy, this place sure is a redneck shiathole!" if they were thinking it?
 
2014-03-10 12:40:49 AM  
Slavery,
its a state of mind
Living in California would be considered slavery by some, living in Texas by others...
Some consider their life at prep school or college slavery.
Plenty of strippers will confide they feel like slaves,
and what about all the addicts? Every one of them will confess they are enslaved by a cruel master.

Mr Obama?, his office enslaves him more than any man... He may not speak his real mind, we all know that.
How about the programmer spending his whole life growing hemorrhoids while feeding a compiler run by daemons? Is that not some malicious slavery invented by the ruler of demons?

However; for some, Slavery is security itself.
In olden times, when a nation or a city was invaded, the leaders and barons etc would be slaughtered, the slaves would mostly be kept and distributed, along with the livestock, etc.

Being a slave even in the old South was a really good deal for some.. These who knew, had wisdom, defended their masters, who treated them as family & etc.
Abuses will always exist, and there are individual remedies for that.

All the modern hand wringers, panty bunchers, and rag wetters don't have much insight or knowledge of history. Likely, they will end up on the auction block...
Soon enough, harder times will educate, or separate...
 
2014-03-10 12:46:18 AM  
Chess players and math professors are mentally challenged. Did you mean "retarded?"
 
2014-03-10 12:47:05 AM  
the hell does any of this have to do with voter registration...?

Someone is trolling in here.
 
2014-03-10 12:51:31 AM  

Kittypie070: loonatic112358: Kittypie070: loonatic112358: Kittypie070: *trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*

That just ain't right

Well Imma feed him to the hawgs.

That's not fit for hogs

OK....how about if I leave him for the roaches?


Well ok, compost heap is out though, and no where near any drinking water supply
 
2014-03-10 12:54:34 AM  
*drops poor baked JSTACAT in the middle of the Joshua Tree Monument area*
 
2014-03-10 01:03:29 AM  

Huskadoodle: Marcintosh: Business want less regulations for the same reason thieves want fewer police - so they can get away with murder"

so goes with those who demand no voter identification.....MURDER


?  I hope you've stopped drinking because if you haven't Monday's gonna be hellish on you -
That or -
heritageaction.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com

Either way, enjoy your next 36 hours
 
2014-03-10 01:05:44 AM  

obamadidcoke: This started in Texas in the 1960's, but continued in Iowa for 40 years. I'm not sure how Texas authorities are culpable for abuses that happened in Iowa.


I was trying to figure that out was he getting the guys in texas and moveing them to iowa and if so does it become a federal human trafficking issue?
 
2014-03-10 01:15:20 AM  

Kittypie070: the hell does any of this have to do with voter registration...?

Someone is trolling in here.


Them damned Republicans.......maybe a little, just poking a bit at those who blame.
 
2014-03-10 01:16:14 AM  

lawboy87: For all of you defending Texas, you may want to read up on how the United Cerebral Palsy' annual report entitled "The Case for Inclusion."

You would discover that the state fare's very poorly compared to all other states in dealing with with intellectual and developmental disabilities (ID/DD).

In fact, in the latest rankings, when compared to all 50 States and DC - Texas comes in 49th! and has been a constant cellar dweller for decades now.

So, I really don't want to hear how great Texas is when it comes to dealing with these issues.

http://www.ucp.org/the-case-for-inclusion/2013/


But...but...someone upthread assured me that texas spends more money than any other state on the developmentally disabled population.

That must count for something. Right?
 
2014-03-10 01:18:27 AM  

SithLord: And if the State had their way, the mentally challenged individuals would be tortured, maimed and killed in an asylum against their will.

But I guess the liberals think that's a better, more final solution.


I'm no liberal, but i'll tell you there is a better way.
I think the state leaders are very concerned and looking for a better way, thats why we are reading & gnawing on this article.
 You cant just write off a whole state because of some mistakes people made while trying to help.
A lot of those "victims" are grateful they didn't rot in a cage, or die in the street & now, they may even get some fame & money.
End result seems ok.
The issue being raised and exposed is disturbing, the consequences of shirking a solution are horrible.

It will be the likes of me that will have to get folks on point and do something that works.

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I dont stand no mess
yeah...
 
2014-03-10 01:21:12 AM  

netcentric: I'm not from Texas, and I don't know or care what they do there. But I am from a state where the mentally challenged were not allowed to work at all. I've visited all the State owned facilities (which are gone now). They had all kinds of 'recreation' and arts and crafts and books and movies and time fillers. But they were never allowed to work. Not even allowed to clean their own facilities.


My brother could have been one of those people, except for my parents, the state funded special education, the SDI funded job training program. He's been working 30 years, he makes little, spends little, saves consistently. Over his life his contribution to society is probably somewhat positive. Meaning he's in the 25th percentile as far as these things go. Err... upper percentile if that isn't clear.

Seriously all these guys while 'slow' where physically fit, doing reliable consistent work and not getting paid according to the law. And were having their SDI benefits illegally withheld.

Seriously my brother collected $250/mo SDI while he was in job training. My parents collected charged him that in rent. And stuffed the money away. That was legal. But once he started working he stopped SDI. These guys were collecting SDI well after their benefits should have stopped due to fraud. The company illegally withheld wages and then lied to the social security administration about their job status. Having said that I'm unsure why the owners of the turkey slaughter house aren't in jail.
 
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