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2014-03-09 06:08:10 PM
Thank you for posting that, submitter.
 
2014-03-09 06:21:30 PM
 
2014-03-09 06:25:54 PM
FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."


*rage twitch*

//Submitter
///took me a while to read the whole article
 
2014-03-09 06:33:56 PM
I've got a family member who is mentally quite limited. the possibility of me passing away and him ending up in the custody of Texas is actually a very real concern. never hear the legislature managing to stop annoying abortion clinics long enough to discuss disabled adults.

probably because that would require actually doing something.
 
2014-03-09 06:50:43 PM
And they say slavery ended with the Civil War.
 
2014-03-09 06:53:49 PM
You would think that electing them to Senate positions was proper recompense.
 
2014-03-09 07:13:28 PM

zedster: FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."

*rage twitch*


FTFA: The 2007 time sheets for Mr. Wilkins tell the tale. No matter how many hours he worked - 163 hours in one period, 139.59 in another - his earnings were always shown to be exactly $1,041.09. And his take-home pay never exceeded $65.


They were all told that the money being taken out was building them a retirement home.  But, to the surprise of absolutely no one but the developmentally disabled, there was no home and no retirement.  He left it to the State to figure it all out when he decided to retire them involuntarily from their jobs.

All through the article, I was thinking, "Only a religious person could do the mental gymnastics required to think he did nothing wrong, and was in fact doing a good deed."

I looked Kenneth Henry up.  Turns out that, in addition to being the head of the turkey business, he's also a Director for Proctor Baptist Church.

Surprise, surprise.
 

As they say in Texas, some people are in dire need of killin'.
 
2014-03-09 07:29:16 PM

zedster: *rage twitch*


I'll second that. Thank you for submitting this.
 
2014-03-09 07:31:51 PM
There was a long article on this in the paper here this morning and it was one of the most appalling things I've ever read.
 
2014-03-09 07:35:28 PM
Not sure I needed twenty minutes of tears but their story deserved to be read so I made myself finish it.
 
2014-03-09 07:37:29 PM
The state of Texas is pure evil.

/'nuff said...
 
2014-03-09 07:37:47 PM
I watched that today, it was absolutely heartbreaking.

It made me want to be a more vigilant neighbor.
 
2014-03-09 07:40:56 PM

ksdanj: The state of Texas is pure evil.

/'nuff said...


Iowa.  They lived in Iowa.  Went to church and everything - no one did DICK for them.

But yeah, the guy who owned the company and who did this to them lived in Texas.  Still does.  He's a fine Christian man with a walker who says he did good for them and they should have been grateful.
 
2014-03-09 07:48:39 PM
It's still common practice to pay mentally and physically disabled people cents on the hour.
 
2014-03-09 08:00:05 PM

zedster: FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."

*rage twitch*

//Submitter
///took me a while to read the whole article


Thanks, zedster.
 
2014-03-09 08:03:42 PM

brap: It's still common practice to pay mentally and physically disabled people cents on the hour.


The law says they can be paid a percentage of minimum, based on a test of actual job duties and how much they produce as compared to a "fully abled" worker.

I volunteered at a Goodwill center for a summer in college.  Biggest scam on earth.  Those people are treated like shiat, held to unbelievable performance standards to determine their percentage of minimum wage (can't attach price tags to clothing faster than a machine?  $2.30/hr for you!"), and the folks in charge steal everything of any value.  It was farking disgusting.
 
2014-03-09 08:15:39 PM
This is astounding.

And if you're one of these people who believes that traditional journalism has been rendered irrelevant by social media and blogs, well, you need to read this.
 
2014-03-09 08:26:15 PM

Therion: You would think that electing them to Senate positions was proper recompense.


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Or the House.
 
2014-03-09 08:30:51 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: The state of Texas is pure evil.


Like I said; the state of Texas is pure evil.
 
2014-03-09 08:35:58 PM
Who are the good guys?
 
2014-03-09 08:36:43 PM
See this coming towards you? Run for your f*cking life.
graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2014-03-09 08:46:03 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Iowa. They lived in Iowa.


Shut up. This is now a when-in-doubt-piss-on-Texas thread. Actually reading the article is no longer relevant.
 
2014-03-09 08:49:50 PM
Damn.

And I'm not normally a fan of gimmicky web pages, but the video pictures were a nice touch.
 
2014-03-09 08:58:23 PM

Walker: See this coming towards you? Run for your f*cking life.
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i have a cousin in the Atalissa / West Liberty area -- i drove her Mother up to visit one summer and stayed a couple of weeks. Was there over the 4th of July and we went to a parade -- just remember (it was in the early 80s) a lot of Shriner types -- small cars & fez hats. And clowns. When I read this earlier today, I wondered if these guys were in the parade.
 
2014-03-09 09:42:01 PM
cotton ain't gonna pick itself
 
2014-03-09 09:42:34 PM
The Bush family?
 
2014-03-09 09:47:01 PM
If they were working for slave wages and not covered by labor laws, then they were wards of the company and/or the state. The assets of all the entities involved should be used to care for the men who are still alive.
 
2014-03-09 09:47:30 PM
Oh wow that was hard to read. Thank you, Submitter.

I work with mentally disabled adults (currently all men over 55). This article made me a little sick.
 
2014-03-09 09:47:54 PM
Based on this, i suddenly believe fast food workers should all be paid $15/hour.
 
2014-03-09 09:48:13 PM
A place to live and a job should be a good thing for many disabled.  Too bad they were treated like slaves and not give a proper home.  I didn't read the whole article, but I bet the people who exploited them never admitted their wrongdoing.  Hell, they probably convinced themselves they were doing "god's work" or some bullshiat excuse.
 
2014-03-09 09:50:45 PM
I'm glad this got greenlit, even if it wasn't my submission (Bootstrapy Texan helps disabled get out of institutions and earn a living, only have it undone by bureaucrats, labor laws and fire codes).

This guy needs to be shackled up like a turkey and let his remaining victims do their jobs one last time.
 
2014-03-09 09:53:40 PM

Gulper Eel: Benevolent Misanthrope: Iowa. They lived in Iowa.

Shut up. This is now a when-in-doubt-piss-on-Texas thread. Actually reading the article is no longer relevant.


Uh... Welcome to Fark?
 
2014-03-09 09:55:09 PM
This was front page center of the NYT today. This was years old, but in the light, in case anyone had forgotten. Six bucks for a Sunday paper? No wonder they're going under.
 
2014-03-09 09:56:19 PM
And these guys had it easy compared to a Mexican caught on this side of the border and 'employed' rather than sent back.
 
2014-03-09 09:57:45 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: brap: It's still common practice to pay mentally and physically disabled people cents on the hour.

The law says they can be paid a percentage of minimum, based on a test of actual job duties and how much they produce as compared to a "fully abled" worker.

I volunteered at a Goodwill center for a summer in college.  Biggest scam on earth.  Those people are treated like shiat, held to unbelievable performance standards to determine their percentage of minimum wage (can't attach price tags to clothing faster than a machine?  $2.30/hr for you!"), and the folks in charge steal everything of any value.  It was farking disgusting.


I think you mean beautiful beautiful Capitalism.

Imagine if the we're no federal laws and all workers could be profited from like that!

A libertarian dream
 
2014-03-09 09:59:19 PM

Marcus Aurelius: And they say slavery ended with the Civil War.


The State reserved the right to put people in involuntary servitude, though.
 
2014-03-09 09:59:33 PM
Well thank God for these men. After all, as suggested near the beginning of the article, if it weren't for them, Obama wouldn't be on his crusade for the hike in minimum wage. This was the New York Times, right?
 
2014-03-09 10:00:36 PM
If I were a Texan, I'd be on my best behavior. Meaning I'd move to Ohio. And start a meal delivery and dog walking and reading service for the elderly gay community with Alzheimer's. And I would read to them Henry Miller novels. But I would change the names and situations so the sex scenes in the novels were homosexual.

/sick of Texas and stories about Texans
 
2014-03-09 10:02:14 PM

TheHighlandHowler: There's a POV video as well


That's not the usual POV video I'm used to.
 
2014-03-09 10:02:14 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: zedster: FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."

*rage twitch*


FTFA: The 2007 time sheets for Mr. Wilkins tell the tale. No matter how many hours he worked - 163 hours in one period, 139.59 in another - his earnings were always shown to be exactly $1,041.09. And his take-home pay never exceeded $65.

They were all told that the money being taken out was building them a retirement home.  But, to the surprise of absolutely no one but the developmentally disabled, there was no home and no retirement.  He left it to the State to figure it all out when he decided to retire them involuntarily from their jobs.

All through the article, I was thinking, "Only a religious person could do the mental gymnastics required to think he did nothing wrong, and was in fact doing a good deed."

I looked Kenneth Henry up.  Turns out that, in addition to being the head of the turkey business, he's also a Director for Proctor Baptist Church.

Surprise, surprise.
 

As they say in Texas, some people are in dire need of killin'.


And you mean to say there was never no Mouse Circus for Mr. Jingles to go to? Tell me again about the rabbits, George.
 
2014-03-09 10:02:28 PM

shtychkn: Benevolent Misanthrope: brap: It's still common practice to pay mentally and physically disabled people cents on the hour.

The law says they can be paid a percentage of minimum, based on a test of actual job duties and how much they produce as compared to a "fully abled" worker.

I volunteered at a Goodwill center for a summer in college.  Biggest scam on earth.  Those people are treated like shiat, held to unbelievable performance standards to determine their percentage of minimum wage (can't attach price tags to clothing faster than a machine?  $2.30/hr for you!"), and the folks in charge steal everything of any value.  It was farking disgusting.

I think you mean beautiful beautiful Capitalism.

Imagine if the we're no federal laws and all workers could be profited from like that!

A libertarian dream


Well, let's hear it for Socialism or Communism then. Under those systems, these men would've been eliminated early on.
 
2014-03-09 10:03:49 PM

fusillade762: Therion: You would think that electing them to Senate positions was proper recompense.

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Or the House.


Governor

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-09 10:06:17 PM
Texas.
Beers\steers\n queers

The entire Bush family can go to hell.

Hell's waitin'

You assholes.

DRTFA
 
2014-03-09 10:10:03 PM
Mr. Berg has never returned to the ranch in Goldthwaite, where Kenneth Henry now clatters his walker down the darkened hall of the never-completed retirement home, wishing that he had done some things differently, but still very proud of how his company empowered the men.

Frankly, Mr Henry can go DIAF.
 
2014-03-09 10:12:58 PM
The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.
 
2014-03-09 10:13:31 PM
Several have been serving in the state legislature.
 
2014-03-09 10:14:16 PM

August11: If I were a Texan, I'd be on my best behavior. Meaning I'd move to Ohio. And start a meal delivery and dog walking and reading service for the elderly gay community with Alzheimer's. And I would read to them Henry Miller novels. But I would change the names and situations so the sex scenes in the novels were homosexual.

/sick of Texas and stories about Texans


as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there
 
2014-03-09 10:17:18 PM
Holy fark.

Well done article on a sickening injustice.
 
2014-03-09 10:19:14 PM
This started in Texas in the 1960's, but continued in Iowa for 40 years. I'm not sure how Texas authorities are culpable for abuses that happened in Iowa.
 
2014-03-09 10:20:08 PM

voodoomedic: as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there


They  were in Texas... Until the Texans shipped them to Iowa.  Jebus, read the article.
 
2014-03-09 10:20:09 PM
Approves:

www.rawstory.com

"You know someone that might be? Maybe someone who is - what's the politically correct word, you know, for mentally retarded," Schiff said. "I believe in the principles this country was founded on."

"I'm not going to say that we're all created equal," he said. "You're worth what you're worth."
 
2014-03-09 10:20:40 PM
How could people not see something wrong this the whole time?
 
2014-03-09 10:21:29 PM
Damn. Got nothing else, just damn.

/thanks subby
 
2014-03-09 10:22:26 PM
Exploitive as hell, but what now?

Try to tell those good Christian, Rand worshipping folks anything,  they have a temper tantrum and shut down the whole works.  Expect to see a big jump in the homeless and prison populations.   Because homeless or in the prison system is so much better than these labor camps.  Or so the bootstrappy thinking goes.

/and the privatized prison system is another problem,  but let's not get too conflated here.
 
2014-03-09 10:22:29 PM
Ah hells, pardon me. Error in locations is all mine.
 
2014-03-09 10:22:49 PM
Forgive me for being confused. I thought all mentally retarded people were born in Texas.
 
2014-03-09 10:22:49 PM
Sounds like a republican's wet dream
 
2014-03-09 10:27:51 PM

Gulper Eel: Benevolent Misanthrope: Iowa. They lived in Iowa.

Shut up. This is now a when-in-doubt-piss-on-Texas thread. Actually reading the article is no longer relevant.


The real victim in all of this is  Gulper Eel. I'll organize a candlelight vigil tonight.
 
2014-03-09 10:28:04 PM
To me, the big problem is that the management allowed the living spaces to descend into total squalor. Otherwise...let's face it, these men would have no chance in open competition against "normal" people. Then they would have been social worker wards of the state from day one.
 
2014-03-09 10:30:15 PM

feffer: voodoomedic: as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there

They  were in Texas... Until the Texans shipped them to Iowa.  Jebus, read the article.


for the slow and the stupid among you, please read the article, then re-read the headline....sigh....

TLDR: mentally-challenged kids from Abilene got shipped to Iowa, where they worked for much less than minimum wage in a turkey processing plant from 1974-2009 ish
 
2014-03-09 10:30:34 PM
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/section/atalissa

They got a boatload more in there.

Try not to Fark the server, eh?
 
2014-03-09 10:31:33 PM

Lord Schtupp: Sounds like a republican's wet dream


Agreed. Modern, profitable slavery.
Now, I'd be crying a farking river IF wages for "normal" people had not been also stagnating for all this time. And for normal people, the condition of your house is your own problem.
 
2014-03-09 10:32:12 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: ksdanj: The state of Texas is pure evil.

/'nuff said...

Iowa.  They lived in Iowa.  Went to church and everything - no one did DICK for them.

But yeah, the guy who owned the company and who did this to them lived in Texas.  Still does.  He's a fine Christian man with a walker who says he did good for them and they should have been grateful.


If the town liked the men so much, did no one including the preacher of the church ever go visit them to see the conditions they lived in?
 
2014-03-09 10:33:56 PM
Texans don't really care what Yankees think about anything.

www.tshirtwatch.com
 
2014-03-09 10:33:59 PM
Good story Subs.
 
2014-03-09 10:35:28 PM

MisterTweak: I've got a family member who is mentally quite limited. the possibility of me passing away and him ending up in the custody of Texas is actually a very real concern. never hear the legislature managing to stop annoying abortion clinics long enough to discuss disabled adults.

probably because that would require actually doing something.


You really don't know much.

Texas spent 6.2 billion on disability services in 2012, more than any other state. 2 billion of that was spent on over 43,000 intellectually disabled individuals 3/4 of which are cared for in their local communities.

No the system is not perfect, but the state of Texas is making a strong effort to improve the lives of developmentally disabled individuals.

By the way, the reason these abuses happened in  IOWA was because the state of Texas shut downs this and similar programs in the early 1970s.

thefightingwannstaches.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-09 10:35:37 PM
If the town liked the men so much, did no one including the preacher of the church ever go visit them to see the conditions they lived in?
 
2014-03-09 10:36:29 PM

voodoomedic: feffer: voodoomedic: as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there

They  were in Texas... Until the Texans shipped them to Iowa.  Jebus, read the article.

for the slow and the stupid among you, please read the article, then re-read the headline....sigh....

TLDR: mentally-challenged kids from Abilene got shipped to Iowa, where they worked for much less than minimum wage in a turkey processing plant from 1974-2009 ish


The slaveholders location isn't relevant in all of this?
 
2014-03-09 10:37:48 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: zedster: FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."

*rage twitch*


FTFA: The 2007 time sheets for Mr. Wilkins tell the tale. No matter how many hours he worked - 163 hours in one period, 139.59 in another - his earnings were always shown to be exactly $1,041.09. And his take-home pay never exceeded $65.

They were all told that the money being taken out was building them a retirement home.  But, to the surprise of absolutely no one but the developmentally disabled, there was no home and no retirement.  He left it to the State to figure it all out when he decided to retire them involuntarily from their jobs.

All through the article, I was thinking, "Only a religious person could do the mental gymnastics required to think he did nothing wrong, and was in fact doing a good deed."

I looked Kenneth Henry up.  Turns out that, in addition to being the head of the turkey business, he's also a Director for Proctor Baptist Church.

Surprise, surprise.
 

As they say in Texas, some people are in dire need of killin'.



A good and proper atheist like "Uncle Joe" Stalin would have taken care of these guys like no religious person could. These guys would have been terminated and the average citizen would live as these mentally handicapped guys did. 

/But...but...the religious are the bad guys!
//Atheists are just misunderstood!
 
2014-03-09 10:37:50 PM

TheWhoppah: Texans don't really care what Yankees think about anything.

[www.tshirtwatch.com image 400x506]


seconded...I just wish they would quit moving here
 
2014-03-09 10:38:01 PM

sonorangal: If the town liked the men so much, did no one including the preacher of the church ever go visit them to see the conditions they lived in?


Because Iowans are inhuman pieces of crap who lack basic human decency?
 
2014-03-09 10:38:10 PM

August11: If I were a Texan, I'd be on my best behavior. Meaning I'd move to Ohio. And start a meal delivery and dog walking and reading service for the elderly gay community with Alzheimer's. And I would read to them Henry Miller novels. But I would change the names and situations so the sex scenes in the novels were homosexual.

/sick of Texas and stories about Texans


Gotta say I like Ohio.  I have a brother that has mental disabilities.  North Carolina was content with shoving him in mental hospitals and group homes.  After seeing the latest shiatty excuse for a group home he was put in we moved him up with our dad in Ohio.  He's now living on his own in an apartment, living on disability payments.  Ohio gave him a shot at living a normal life, and North Carolina has a warrant on him (failure to appear, relax).  We were both born in Texas in the 80s.  I hate to imagine what would've happened if it was 10-20 years earlier.
 
2014-03-09 10:38:50 PM

voodoomedic: August11: If I were a Texan, I'd be on my best behavior. Meaning I'd move to Ohio. And start a meal delivery and dog walking and reading service for the elderly gay community with Alzheimer's. And I would read to them Henry Miller novels. But I would change the names and situations so the sex scenes in the novels were homosexual.

/sick of Texas and stories about Texans

as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there


Holy shiat you are a moron.
 
2014-03-09 10:39:13 PM

Ishidan: To me, the big problem is that the management allowed the living spaces to descend into total squalor. Otherwise...let's face it, these men would have no chance in open competition against "normal" people. Then they would have been social worker wards of the state from day one.


... and the physical abuse.  And denying them medical care.  And stealing their money.  And abandoning them when they became inconvenient.  F*cking hell.
 
2014-03-09 10:40:07 PM

meow said the dog: voodoomedic: August11: If I were a Texan, I'd be on my best behavior. Meaning I'd move to Ohio. And start a meal delivery and dog walking and reading service for the elderly gay community with Alzheimer's. And I would read to them Henry Miller novels. But I would change the names and situations so the sex scenes in the novels were homosexual.

/sick of Texas and stories about Texans

as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there

Holy shiat you are a moron.


Whoa I wasn't even aware you could english the speak?!?
 
2014-03-09 10:40:46 PM

TheWhoppah: Texans don't really care what Yankees think about anything.

[www.tshirtwatch.com image 400x506]

 
2014-03-09 10:41:45 PM

meow said the dog: voodoomedic: August11: If I were a Texan, I'd be on my best behavior. Meaning I'd move to Ohio. And start a meal delivery and dog walking and reading service for the elderly gay community with Alzheimer's. And I would read to them Henry Miller novels. But I would change the names and situations so the sex scenes in the novels were homosexual.

/sick of Texas and stories about Texans

as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there

Holy shiat you are a moron.


and to think, I once sponsored you...sniff....how the times have changed
 
2014-03-09 10:41:49 PM

sonorangal: Benevolent Misanthrope: ksdanj: The state of Texas is pure evil.

/'nuff said...

Iowa.  They lived in Iowa.  Went to church and everything - no one did DICK for them.

But yeah, the guy who owned the company and who did this to them lived in Texas.  Still does.  He's a fine Christian man with a walker who says he did good for them and they should have been grateful.

If the town liked the men so much, did no one including the preacher of the church ever go visit them to see the conditions they lived in?


I've found that small town churches visit you based on how much you put in the offering plate.  Not once did anyone from my granddad's old church come to visit him, minus his old army buddy.
 
2014-03-09 10:41:54 PM

limboslam: shtychkn: Benevolent Misanthrope: brap: It's still common practice to pay mentally and physically disabled people cents on the hour.

The law says they can be paid a percentage of minimum, based on a test of actual job duties and how much they produce as compared to a "fully abled" worker.

I volunteered at a Goodwill center for a summer in college.  Biggest scam on earth.  Those people are treated like shiat, held to unbelievable performance standards to determine their percentage of minimum wage (can't attach price tags to clothing faster than a machine?  $2.30/hr for you!"), and the folks in charge steal everything of any value.  It was farking disgusting.

I think you mean beautiful beautiful Capitalism.

Imagine if the we're no federal laws and all workers could be profited from like that!

A libertarian dream

Well, let's hear it for Socialism or Communism then. Under those systems, these men would've been eliminated early on.


Do you know the difference between those two? Or are they the same to you?
 
2014-03-09 10:43:06 PM

Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.


LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs".  What's so good about that?
 
2014-03-09 10:47:19 PM

sonorangal: Benevolent Misanthrope: ksdanj: The state of Texas is pure evil.

/'nuff said...

Iowa.  They lived in Iowa.  Went to church and everything - no one did DICK for them.

But yeah, the guy who owned the company and who did this to them lived in Texas.  Still does.  He's a fine Christian man with a walker who says he did good for them and they should have been grateful.

If the town liked the men so much, did no one including the preacher of the church ever go visit them to see the conditions they lived in?


Nope.  They had second thoughts when they saw the guys at church functions and services, but it wasn't their problem.

So much for "love thy neighbor".
 
2014-03-09 10:47:29 PM

voodoomedic: meow said the dog: voodoomedic: August11: If I were a Texan, I'd be on my best behavior. Meaning I'd move to Ohio. And start a meal delivery and dog walking and reading service for the elderly gay community with Alzheimer's. And I would read to them Henry Miller novels. But I would change the names and situations so the sex scenes in the novels were homosexual.

/sick of Texas and stories about Texans

as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there

Holy shiat you are a moron.

and to think, I once sponsored you...sniff....how the times have changed


We can still do the sexing. I will just use the monosyllabic word of safety for you.
 
2014-03-09 10:47:49 PM

PanicMan: Ishidan: To me, the big problem is that the management allowed the living spaces to descend into total squalor. Otherwise...let's face it, these men would have no chance in open competition against "normal" people. Then they would have been social worker wards of the state from day one.

... and the physical abuse.  And denying them medical care.  And stealing their money.  And abandoning them when they became inconvenient.  F*cking hell.


Yeah but the squalor is what got em caught and really makes the story.
The rest is just another day, just ask a "normal" person whose employer refuses to offer Health insurance (no matter what the niBONG in the White House says), or discontinued pension plans, or held mass layoffs for the rank and file and golden parachutes for the executives.
 
2014-03-09 10:48:13 PM
Court records indicate those penalties remain unpaid. Robert Berry, the company's accountant, has said owners Kenneth Henry and Jane Ann Moreland don't have the resources to pay off any of the court judgments.

Robert Canino, a Texas-based attorney for the EEOC, said Wednesday that the U.S. Department of Justice is "in the process of debt collection," but he's not sure how much progress has been made.

He said that although Henry's is no longer operating as a business, the owners are still accessible and the EEOC will continue to seek compensation for the company's workers.

"We don't yet know exactly where all the missing money is, but we do know where it is not," Canino said. "It is not in the bank accounts of the persons who earned it. The EEOC will use the resources it has available to seek and secure as much as possible of the remedy granted by the court."

The men who worked for Henry's collected $65 a month after the owners deducted from their pay the cost of living expenses at the bunkhouse. The amount they received never varied, regardless of how many hours the men worked. In addition, the company took some of the workers' disability checks to pay for the same living expenses the payroll deductions were supposed to be funding.

The EEOC has argued that the company consigned the men to a life of enslavement and "perpetual poverty and dependency."

In a deposition taken earlier this year in Waco, Texas, the 79-year-old Moreland was asked why, for years, the company had withdrawn identical amounts for room and board from each worker's paycheck and from each worker's disability payments.

"I don't remember," she testified.

"Even if you don't remember why ... you can't tell me any reason why that would happen?" Canino asked.

"No," Moreland said. "I just did what I was told to do."

"Well, who told you to keep the books like that?" Canino asked.

"I don't know," she said.



-----

OgreMagi 2014-03-09 10:43:06 PM


Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.


LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?


Dude, ya got me fair n square there. My apologies.
 
2014-03-09 10:50:15 PM

Lsherm: Damn.

And I'm not normally a fan of gimmicky web pages, but the video pictures were a nice touch.


Weren't they? The article was well worth reading but those video pictures were fantastic.
 
2014-03-09 10:52:19 PM

meow said the dog: voodoomedic: meow said the dog: voodoomedic: August11: If I were a Texan, I'd be on my best behavior. Meaning I'd move to Ohio. And start a meal delivery and dog walking and reading service for the elderly gay community with Alzheimer's. And I would read to them Henry Miller novels. But I would change the names and situations so the sex scenes in the novels were homosexual.

/sick of Texas and stories about Texans

as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there

Holy shiat you are a moron.

and to think, I once sponsored you...sniff....how the times have changed

We can still do the sexing. I will just use the monosyllabic word of safety for you.


ok, now I'm giggling....smooches, Meow
 
2014-03-09 10:54:46 PM

sonorangal: If the town liked the men so much, did no one including the preacher of the church ever go visit them to see the conditions they lived in?


The POV actually examines this in depth, if you have the time to watch it.  That was one of the most interesting parts of the story to me, the people of the town dealing with their self-denial.  It was why I said what I came away with was the need to be a more vigilant neighbor.  It's easy to sit in front of a computer and call everyone shiateheads but the interviews with the townspeople and the mayor in particular, the guy who reported something being off about the whole thing when the facility was suddenly all locked doors and no entry, you can tell that he was really destroyed and pained by what he didn't do.
 
2014-03-09 10:55:04 PM
Les affaires sont les affaires

Sounds better in french
 
2014-03-09 10:56:04 PM
I know many see it as Texas bashing, but to be honest, I don't really think of a state that hasn't had a share in this behavior since day 1. Texas realized it was bad, and essentially shipped them off. But they made sure they got their "cut". Goddammitsomuch.

Bush(Jr), Perry, and that bunch are still un-american, etheiving criminals in my book, and after 2 strokes still feel that way.
It all seems to me to be a page from the Sara Palin school of management.
 
2014-03-09 11:00:13 PM

Fano: Benevolent Misanthrope: zedster: FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."

*rage twitch*


FTFA: The 2007 time sheets for Mr. Wilkins tell the tale. No matter how many hours he worked - 163 hours in one period, 139.59 in another - his earnings were always shown to be exactly $1,041.09. And his take-home pay never exceeded $65.

They were all told that the money being taken out was building them a retirement home.  But, to the surprise of absolutely no one but the developmentally disabled, there was no home and no retirement.  He left it to the State to figure it all out when he decided to retire them involuntarily from their jobs.

All through the article, I was thinking, "Only a religious person could do the mental gymnastics required to think he did nothing wrong, and was in fact doing a good deed."

I looked Kenneth Henry up.  Turns out that, in addition to being the head of the turkey business, he's also a Director for Proctor Baptist Church.

Surprise, surprise.
 

As they say in Texas, some people are in dire need of killin'.

And you mean to say there was never no Mouse Circus for Mr. Jingles to go to? Tell me again about the rabbits, George.


+5 points for the reference.
 
2014-03-09 11:01:27 PM
Yes Bush and Sara Palin BOTH condoned and supported this attrocity and forced Mitt Romney to hide it with drones.
 
2014-03-09 11:07:14 PM
"They were paying their own way, they were holding down a job, and they weren't depending on the government," he says.

THEY WERE SLAVES YOU farkING shiatBAG
 
2014-03-09 11:07:40 PM

ksdanj: The state of Texas is pure evil.

/'nuff said...


As is California with thousands of undocumented farm workers with conditions worse than, even more evil.

/or you could blame only those responsible
 
2014-03-09 11:12:10 PM

you are a puppet: "They were paying their own way, they were holding down a job, and they weren't depending on the government," he says.

THEY WERE SLAVES YOU farkING shiatBAG


The really shiatty part of it was, they were receiving SSDI payments. This dickbag kept them, along with all but $65 per month of their earnings.
 
2014-03-09 11:19:27 PM

thisdaydreamer: zedster: *rage twitch*

I'll second that. Thank you for submitting this.


^ because I still  can't think of the words to react to this
 
2014-03-09 11:23:25 PM

Huskadoodle: Yes Bush and Sara Palin BOTH condoned and supported this attrocity and forced Mitt Romney to hide it with drones.


Actually I'm thinkin' this would be a good arrangement for Sarah - teach her a trade, keep her out of trouble.
 
2014-03-09 11:27:33 PM
This basically still going on in the farming areas. Just hire a truckload of migrant illegal workers, find them a 1 BR/1 Bath apartment in the shiattiest area you can find and stuff 15 people in it, pay them minimum or less under the table. There! Everyone is happy.
 
2014-03-09 11:30:19 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: ksdanj: The state of Texas is pure evil.

/'nuff said...

As is California with thousands of undocumented farm workers with conditions worse than, even more evil.

/or you could blame only those responsible


Of course most people from Texas would say this is OK.. the market will solve it, we want the government out.
 
2014-03-09 11:36:34 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: zedster: FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."

*rage twitch*


FTFA: The 2007 time sheets for Mr. Wilkins tell the tale. No matter how many hours he worked - 163 hours in one period, 139.59 in another - his earnings were always shown to be exactly $1,041.09. And his take-home pay never exceeded $65.

They were all told that the money being taken out was building them a retirement home.  But, to the surprise of absolutely no one but the developmentally disabled, there was no home and no retirement.  He left it to the State to figure it all out when he decided to retire them involuntarily from their jobs.

All through the article, I was thinking, "Only a religious person could do the mental gymnastics required to think he did nothing wrong, and was in fact doing a good deed."

I looked Kenneth Henry up.  Turns out that, in addition to being the head of the turkey business, he's also a Director for Proctor Baptist Church.

Surprise, surprise.
 

As they say in Texas, some people are in dire need of killin'.


Yeah Stalin, Mao, and Pol pot were quite the dyed in the wool creationists
 
2014-03-09 11:37:19 PM

obamadidcoke: MisterTweak: I've got a family member who is mentally quite limited. the possibility of me passing away and him ending up in the custody of Texas is actually a very real concern. never hear the legislature managing to stop annoying abortion clinics long enough to discuss disabled adults.

probably because that would require actually doing something.

You really don't know much.

Texas spent 6.2 billion on disability services in 2012, more than any other state. 2 billion of that was spent on over 43,000 intellectually disabled individuals 3/4 of which are cared for in their local communities.

No the system is not perfect, but the state of Texas is making a strong effort to improve the lives of developmentally disabled individuals.

By the way, the reason these abuses happened in  IOWA was because the state of Texas shut downs this and similar programs in the early 1970s.

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They didn't shut them down, they helped them hide it elsewhere.

The Texas Legislature, citing the savings realized from moving the disabled men out of state, praised Johnson for his "humanitarian spirit."

Officials from both Henry's and Iowa Workforce Development have each said that their work on the case was hampered by the Texas attorney general, who seized 40 years worth of company records 14 months ago and then refused to provide copies to Iowa regulators or Henry's attorneys.
 
2014-03-09 11:42:47 PM

meow said the dog: voodoomedic: meow said the dog: voodoomedic: August11: If I were a Texan, I'd be on my best behavior. Meaning I'd move to Ohio. And start a meal delivery and dog walking and reading service for the elderly gay community with Alzheimer's. And I would read to them Henry Miller novels. But I would change the names and situations so the sex scenes in the novels were homosexual.

/sick of Texas and stories about Texans

as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there

Holy shiat you are a moron.

and to think, I once sponsored you...sniff....how the times have changed

We can still do the sexing. I will just use the monosyllabic word of safety for you.


And with this alone, Meow comes back off my ignore list because that was awesome.
 
2014-03-09 11:43:59 PM
I read a lot here on Fark that makes me angry/disgusted/cynical/jaded, but rarely does an article literally ENRAGE me like this.
 
2014-03-09 11:45:16 PM

duffblue: Benevolent Misanthrope: zedster: FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."

*rage twitch*


FTFA: The 2007 time sheets for Mr. Wilkins tell the tale. No matter how many hours he worked - 163 hours in one period, 139.59 in another - his earnings were always shown to be exactly $1,041.09. And his take-home pay never exceeded $65.

They were all told that the money being taken out was building them a retirement home.  But, to the surprise of absolutely no one but the developmentally disabled, there was no home and no retirement.  He left it to the State to figure it all out when he decided to retire them involuntarily from their jobs.

All through the article, I was thinking, "Only a religious person could do the mental gymnastics required to think he did nothing wrong, and was in fact doing a good deed."

I looked Kenneth Henry up.  Turns out that, in addition to being the head of the turkey business, he's also a Director for Proctor Baptist Church.

Surprise, surprise.
 

As they say in Texas, some people are in dire need of killin'.

Yeah Stalin, Mao, and Pol pot were quite the dyed in the wool creationists


Did any of them claim to be doing a favor to those they persecuted or killed?  Funny - I must have missed the part of history class where they talked about their devotion to a religion of peace and love, which they completely used to fark over the innocent.  Care to point me to that section?
 
2014-03-09 11:45:23 PM

ksdanj: The state of Texas is pure evil.

/'nuff said...


You do realize most of that story occurred in Ohio

People are jerks, especially to those they can exploit
 
2014-03-09 11:45:48 PM

obamadidcoke: sonorangal: If the town liked the men so much, did no one including the preacher of the church ever go visit them to see the conditions they lived in?

Because Iowans are inhuman pieces of crap who lack basic human decency?


FTA:  That you apparently didn't read...

"When the dozens of Texans first came to town, raising its population to a record 360, T. H. Johnson invited Atalissans to the schoolhouse for Christmas socials and summertime barbecues. The men showed off their pool table, exercise equipment and shared bedrooms, leaving a favorable first impression that would last."

"But Henry's Turkey Service raised suspicions from the start, prompting a review by an Iowa social worker named Ed George. In a pointed memorandum to his supervisor in December 1974, he described an exploitative operation devoid of basic freedoms. He called the business model "obscene."

I'm sure you'd react differently to stinky developmentally disabled people, right?

"True, some local residents cringed when the "boys" walked in, reeking of turkey, interrupting conversations. Sometimes you just did not want to hear again about Willie Levi's birthday, or Gene Berg's fascination with John Deere tractors, or how much beer Henry Wilkins planned to drink at the county fair. "

In the end, the real human pieces of shiat, the families that never called or wrote, the people who got rich of their labor, the ones who started the program to begin with, were all from Texas.
 
2014-03-09 11:46:03 PM

evil saltine: ThrobblefootSpectre: ksdanj: The state of Texas is pure evil.

/'nuff said...

As is California with thousands of undocumented farm workers with conditions worse than, even more evil.

/or you could blame only those responsible

Of course most people from Texas would say this is OK.. the market will solve it, we want the government out.


I'm not from Texas, and I don't know or care what they do there.    But I am from a state where the mentally challenged were not allowed to work at all.    I've visited all the State owned facilities (which are gone now).   They had all kinds of 'recreation' and arts and crafts and books and movies and time fillers.  But they were never allowed to work.   Not even allowed to clean their own facilities.

It was an awful thing.   Take away having the patients participate and work for a small 'allowance' and you have a horrible place full of medicated zombies.  With no life.  No better off in the end than those folks in Tx.

There was no retirement homes for those people in my state either.   They closed the Gov't facilities and the people suffered, tossed out on the streets.    The mentally challenged in any state, whether private run or gov't run are not going to live a life of Rainbows and puppies.   Period.
 
2014-03-09 11:47:22 PM
Interestingly, that turkey works is what long term incarceration will look like in the future.
Then the streets can be cleaned, and stay clean.
There is no shame or guilt in having those who can not self govern living their whole life productively on a farm. One could even say, its a form of heavenly healing, a chance to redeem the soul.
With the right attitude, it could become a preferred place for some.
Good, the more that "sign up", the more money for those who want to self govern.

Farmwork can be tough, shortening the life span, but its far better than tiny rusty cages.
Some people can not live on their own, we have to accept that & provide a merciful use for them.
In nature, all animals must earn their life, being useful, H.Sapiens is not exempt.
The workers can pay for their keep with labor. The wind, rain, snow and hot sunshine are theirs free.
Those who flunk out of that are put into the pen with the hawgs, to survive and compete, or whatever.
Arbeit Macht Frei
 
2014-03-09 11:50:27 PM
"That's expointin' cheap labor, but hell that's Texican's creed"
 
2014-03-09 11:52:40 PM

duffblue: Yeah Stalin, Mao, and Pol pot were quite the dyed in the wool creationists


Pol Pot was a Buddhist. He studied at a Buddhist monastery and then at a Catholic school for 8 years.
 
2014-03-09 11:53:00 PM

Lee451: Benevolent Misanthrope: zedster: FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."

*rage twitch*


FTFA: The 2007 time sheets for Mr. Wilkins tell the tale. No matter how many hours he worked - 163 hours in one period, 139.59 in another - his earnings were always shown to be exactly $1,041.09. And his take-home pay never exceeded $65.

They were all told that the money being taken out was building them a retirement home.  But, to the surprise of absolutely no one but the developmentally disabled, there was no home and no retirement.  He left it to the State to figure it all out when he decided to retire them involuntarily from their jobs.

All through the article, I was thinking, "Only a religious person could do the mental gymnastics required to think he did nothing wrong, and was in fact doing a good deed."

I looked Kenneth Henry up.  Turns out that, in addition to being the head of the turkey business, he's also a Director for Proctor Baptist Church.

Surprise, surprise.
 

As they say in Texas, some people are in dire need of killin'.


A good and proper atheist like "Uncle Joe" Stalin would have taken care of these guys like no religious person could. These guys would have been terminated and the average citizen would live as these mentally handicapped guys did. 

/But...but...the religious are the bad guys!
//Atheists are just misunderstood!


Stalin was raised in a catholic seminary.
 
2014-03-09 11:53:18 PM
Good thing they were safely in Iowa after the death penalty moratorium was lifted. The retards Texas doesn't elect to office we execute.
 
2014-03-09 11:53:30 PM
obamadidcoke:
Texas spent 6.2 billion on disability services in 2012, more than any other state. 2 billion of that was spent on over 43,000 intellectually disabled individuals 3/4 of which are cared for in their local communities.


1 billion of that was spent on the Bush family.
 
2014-03-09 11:54:25 PM

techgeek07: How could people not see something wrong this the whole time?


Normal behavior to deny something wrong is happening. We rationalize and explain away, and assume it's someone else's responsibility.
 
2014-03-09 11:57:44 PM

Smoking GNU: Lee451: Benevolent Misanthrope: zedster: FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."

*rage twitch*


FTFA: The 2007 time sheets for Mr. Wilkins tell the tale. No matter how many hours he worked - 163 hours in one period, 139.59 in another - his earnings were always shown to be exactly $1,041.09. And his take-home pay never exceeded $65.

They were all told that the money being taken out was building them a retirement home.  But, to the surprise of absolutely no one but the developmentally disabled, there was no home and no retirement.  He left it to the State to figure it all out when he decided to retire them involuntarily from their jobs.

All through the article, I was thinking, "Only a religious person could do the mental gymnastics required to think he did nothing wrong, and was in fact doing a good deed."

I looked Kenneth Henry up.  Turns out that, in addition to being the head of the turkey business, he's also a Director for Proctor Baptist Church.

Surprise, surprise.
 

As they say in Texas, some people are in dire need of killin'.


A good and proper atheist like "Uncle Joe" Stalin would have taken care of these guys like no religious person could. These guys would have been terminated and the average citizen would live as these mentally handicapped guys did. 

/But...but...the religious are the bad guys!
//Atheists are just misunderstood!

Stalin was raised in a catholic seminary.


Stalin was raised by his family until he was sixteen, and then was shipped off to a Georgian Orthodox seminary.

Get your facts straight Tea-Tard.
 
2014-03-10 12:01:10 AM

GardenWeasel: I read a lot here on Fark that makes me angry/disgusted/cynical/jaded, but rarely does an article literally ENRAGE me like this.


Yea, this is one of those times where I'd like to see the perpetrators live in the conditions they caused, but their either dead or close to it
 
2014-03-10 12:01:57 AM

DarkoMilicic: obamadidcoke:
Texas spent 6.2 billion on disability services in 2012, more than any other state. 2 billion of that was spent on over 43,000 intellectually disabled individuals 3/4 of which are cared for in their local communities.


1 billion of that was spent on the Bush family.


Isn't everyone living in Texas intellectually disabled?   I mean, would anyone with normal cognitive ability voluntarily choose to reside on Texas?
 
2014-03-10 12:04:30 AM
*trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*
 
2014-03-10 12:04:54 AM

Kittypie070: *trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*


That just ain't right
 
2014-03-10 12:06:52 AM
And if the State had their way, the mentally challenged individuals would be tortured, maimed and killed in an asylum against their will.

But I guess the liberals think that's a better, more final solution.
 
2014-03-10 12:07:54 AM
for another unpleasant and slightly related item, give the Titicut Follies a watch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titicut_Follies
 
2014-03-10 12:09:09 AM
Sometimes I wonder if the idiots are trolling or if they believe the shiat that comes out they mouth, and then I realize I just can't tell
 
2014-03-10 12:09:56 AM

loonatic112358: Kittypie070: *trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*

That just ain't right


Well Imma feed him to the hawgs.
 
2014-03-10 12:09:59 AM

Kittypie070: *trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*


1. - I'm fairly certain that was on the order of "A Modest Proposal".

2. - I'm also fairly certain that JSTACAT is an alt for meowsaidthedog

3. - After this story, I'll never eat turkey again.
 
2014-03-10 12:11:35 AM
For all of you defending Texas, you may want to read up on how the United Cerebral Palsy' annual report entitled "The Case for Inclusion."

You would discover that the state fare's very poorly compared to all other states in dealing with with intellectual and developmental disabilities (ID/DD).

In fact, in the latest rankings, when compared to all 50 States and DC - Texas comes in 49th! and has been a constant cellar dweller for decades now.

So, I really don't want to hear how great Texas is when it comes to dealing with these issues.

http://www.ucp.org/the-case-for-inclusion/2013/

 
2014-03-10 12:13:13 AM

Kittypie070: loonatic112358: Kittypie070: *trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*

That just ain't right

Well Imma feed him to the hawgs.


That's not fit for hogs
 
2014-03-10 12:13:42 AM
Enough of this Tex-bashing. I have lived in Dallas my entire life. (45 years) There is no more corruption,idiocy,racism ....etc....etc....than anywhere else.

Every single time I have ever encountered someone who is visiting Texas for the first time they ALWAYS state that it is no way like they had expected.
 
2014-03-10 12:15:58 AM
This is so profoundly disturbing, I just don't know...
 
2014-03-10 12:18:10 AM

cmb53208: This is so profoundly disturbing, I just don't know...


It's up there with with this on things that should never have happened I think. Why do people treat other people as disposable objects to be used

www.pbs.org/tpt/slavery-by-another-name/
 
2014-03-10 12:18:31 AM
""They were paying their own way, they were holding down a job, and they weren't depending on the government," he says. And yes, he says, he misses the "boys."

"It's like children. You know?"

Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked."


Oh, you poor oppressed baby you. Whining about employment laws and regulations. You know, those laws and regulations that exist because skeevy little "men" like you exist out there, trying to take advantage of the disadvantaged!


/Bet this corksucker still has a Romney bumper sticker on his car.
 
2014-03-10 12:19:07 AM
www.davidicke.com
 
2014-03-10 12:20:38 AM
No alts, thats cowardly.

meanwhile, a thinking being has to admit the current system of segregating the fit from the unfit isn't working. Its an embarrassment to all the animal kingdom.

Unless the unfit are quickly slaughtered, then what can be done for them?
Jails & penitentiary & mental wards are not doing the job they are supposed to do, its slow torture.
Torture is not civilised, work on a farm is civilisation at its most basic.
Ask any 'lifer' which he or she would respect more, as correction... life in a cage or solitary, or a life of working with plants & animals, seeing nature everyday, and a chance to die easy,with a clean heart.

C'mon peeps, get a conscience, and maybe some real social change will be possible.
 
2014-03-10 12:22:09 AM

loonatic112358: Kittypie070: loonatic112358: Kittypie070: *trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*

That just ain't right

Well Imma feed him to the hawgs.

That's not fit for hogs


OK....how about if I leave him for the roaches?
 
2014-03-10 12:27:04 AM
www.bizpacreview.com
 
2014-03-10 12:28:06 AM
damn, what is it with the south and enslaving people?  Are you folks just evil down there or what?
 
2014-03-10 12:28:30 AM
When business whines about regulations this is the kind of thing/situation I relate it to.

That saying," Business want less regulations for the same reason thieves want fewer police - so they can get away with murder"

My good friend and Phd (as I've mentioned in the past) tells me "It's just . . . human nature . . ."

I wonder about that.

And still un-repenetent about his  methods.
I wish there was a hell for him to roast in.
 
2014-03-10 12:32:44 AM

voodoomedic: August11: If I were a Texan, I'd be on my best behavior. Meaning I'd move to Ohio. And start a meal delivery and dog walking and reading service for the elderly gay community with Alzheimer's. And I would read to them Henry Miller novels. But I would change the names and situations so the sex scenes in the novels were homosexual.

/sick of Texas and stories about Texans

as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there


But the men were from Texas, the company was from Texas, and apparently this all started in Texas and the men were moved up to Iowa. So, I think blame on Texas is justified. But blame on Iowa should be heaped as well.
 
2014-03-10 12:34:16 AM

Lee451: A good and proper atheist like "Uncle Joe" Stalin would have taken care of these guys like no religious person could. These guys would have been terminated and the average citizen would live as these mentally handicapped guys did. 

/But...but...the religious are the bad guys!
//Atheists are just misunderstood!


no.  But Stalin would not have done the mental gymnastics to think he was doing good by them ether.  Which is what the poster was saying.
 
2014-03-10 12:35:12 AM

OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?


I think you mean Nixon
 
2014-03-10 12:35:19 AM

Marcintosh: Business want less regulations for the same reason thieves want fewer police - so they can get away with murder"


so goes with those who demand no voter identification.....MURDER
 
2014-03-10 12:37:35 AM

craigdamage: Enough of this Tex-bashing. I have lived in Dallas my entire life. (45 years) There is no more corruption,idiocy,racism ....etc....etc....than anywhere else.

Every single time I have ever encountered someone who is visiting Texas for the first time they ALWAYS state that it is no way like they had expected.


Well, let's face it Craig, part of that is geography.  Considering how large Texas is, one would have a hard time reconciling they were in the same part of the country, much less the same state if you traveled from Texarkana, to El Paso, to Harlingen, to Port Arthur and Amarillo.

Amarillo, Tx to Harlingen TX is right at 770 miles.  For  purposes of comparison:

Port Arthur, TX to Jacksonville, FL = 784 miles;

El Paso, TX to San Diego, CA = 723 miles; and

Texarkana, TX to Indianapolis, IN = 725 miles.

It should come as no surprise, depending upon where the visitor lands in Texas, that it won't likely match their preconceived ideas and I bet I could find them someplace in Texas that likely would, depending upon the preconceptions.  From mountain forests, to bayous, to desert, to open plains, etc.
 
2014-03-10 12:39:38 AM

Marcus Aurelius: And they say slavery ended with the Civil War.


www.troll.me
 
2014-03-10 12:40:10 AM

craigdamage: Every single time I have ever encountered someone who is visiting Texas for the first time they ALWAYS state that it is no way like they had expected.


Yeah but do you really think they would say "Boy, this place sure is a redneck shiathole!" if they were thinking it?
 
2014-03-10 12:40:49 AM
Slavery,
its a state of mind
Living in California would be considered slavery by some, living in Texas by others...
Some consider their life at prep school or college slavery.
Plenty of strippers will confide they feel like slaves,
and what about all the addicts? Every one of them will confess they are enslaved by a cruel master.

Mr Obama?, his office enslaves him more than any man... He may not speak his real mind, we all know that.
How about the programmer spending his whole life growing hemorrhoids while feeding a compiler run by daemons? Is that not some malicious slavery invented by the ruler of demons?

However; for some, Slavery is security itself.
In olden times, when a nation or a city was invaded, the leaders and barons etc would be slaughtered, the slaves would mostly be kept and distributed, along with the livestock, etc.

Being a slave even in the old South was a really good deal for some.. These who knew, had wisdom, defended their masters, who treated them as family & etc.
Abuses will always exist, and there are individual remedies for that.

All the modern hand wringers, panty bunchers, and rag wetters don't have much insight or knowledge of history. Likely, they will end up on the auction block...
Soon enough, harder times will educate, or separate...
 
2014-03-10 12:46:18 AM
Chess players and math professors are mentally challenged. Did you mean "retarded?"
 
2014-03-10 12:47:05 AM
the hell does any of this have to do with voter registration...?

Someone is trolling in here.
 
2014-03-10 12:51:31 AM

Kittypie070: loonatic112358: Kittypie070: loonatic112358: Kittypie070: *trusses and bakes JSTACAT like a turkey*

That just ain't right

Well Imma feed him to the hawgs.

That's not fit for hogs

OK....how about if I leave him for the roaches?


Well ok, compost heap is out though, and no where near any drinking water supply
 
2014-03-10 12:54:34 AM
*drops poor baked JSTACAT in the middle of the Joshua Tree Monument area*
 
2014-03-10 01:03:29 AM

Huskadoodle: Marcintosh: Business want less regulations for the same reason thieves want fewer police - so they can get away with murder"

so goes with those who demand no voter identification.....MURDER


?  I hope you've stopped drinking because if you haven't Monday's gonna be hellish on you -
That or -
heritageaction.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com

Either way, enjoy your next 36 hours
 
2014-03-10 01:05:44 AM

obamadidcoke: This started in Texas in the 1960's, but continued in Iowa for 40 years. I'm not sure how Texas authorities are culpable for abuses that happened in Iowa.


I was trying to figure that out was he getting the guys in texas and moveing them to iowa and if so does it become a federal human trafficking issue?
 
2014-03-10 01:15:20 AM

Kittypie070: the hell does any of this have to do with voter registration...?

Someone is trolling in here.


Them damned Republicans.......maybe a little, just poking a bit at those who blame.
 
2014-03-10 01:16:14 AM

lawboy87: For all of you defending Texas, you may want to read up on how the United Cerebral Palsy' annual report entitled "The Case for Inclusion."

You would discover that the state fare's very poorly compared to all other states in dealing with with intellectual and developmental disabilities (ID/DD).

In fact, in the latest rankings, when compared to all 50 States and DC - Texas comes in 49th! and has been a constant cellar dweller for decades now.

So, I really don't want to hear how great Texas is when it comes to dealing with these issues.

http://www.ucp.org/the-case-for-inclusion/2013/


But...but...someone upthread assured me that texas spends more money than any other state on the developmentally disabled population.

That must count for something. Right?
 
2014-03-10 01:18:27 AM

SithLord: And if the State had their way, the mentally challenged individuals would be tortured, maimed and killed in an asylum against their will.

But I guess the liberals think that's a better, more final solution.


I'm no liberal, but i'll tell you there is a better way.
I think the state leaders are very concerned and looking for a better way, thats why we are reading & gnawing on this article.
 You cant just write off a whole state because of some mistakes people made while trying to help.
A lot of those "victims" are grateful they didn't rot in a cage, or die in the street & now, they may even get some fame & money.
End result seems ok.
The issue being raised and exposed is disturbing, the consequences of shirking a solution are horrible.

It will be the likes of me that will have to get folks on point and do something that works.

img.fark.net
I dont stand no mess
yeah...
 
2014-03-10 01:21:12 AM

netcentric: I'm not from Texas, and I don't know or care what they do there. But I am from a state where the mentally challenged were not allowed to work at all. I've visited all the State owned facilities (which are gone now). They had all kinds of 'recreation' and arts and crafts and books and movies and time fillers. But they were never allowed to work. Not even allowed to clean their own facilities.


My brother could have been one of those people, except for my parents, the state funded special education, the SDI funded job training program. He's been working 30 years, he makes little, spends little, saves consistently. Over his life his contribution to society is probably somewhat positive. Meaning he's in the 25th percentile as far as these things go. Err... upper percentile if that isn't clear.

Seriously all these guys while 'slow' where physically fit, doing reliable consistent work and not getting paid according to the law. And were having their SDI benefits illegally withheld.

Seriously my brother collected $250/mo SDI while he was in job training. My parents collected charged him that in rent. And stuffed the money away. That was legal. But once he started working he stopped SDI. These guys were collecting SDI well after their benefits should have stopped due to fraud. The company illegally withheld wages and then lied to the social security administration about their job status. Having said that I'm unsure why the owners of the turkey slaughter house aren't in jail.
 
2014-03-10 01:24:59 AM
Secede and then go fark yourselves, Texans.
 
2014-03-10 01:34:04 AM

Agent Smiths Laugh: meow said the dog: voodoomedic: meow said the dog: voodoomedic: August11: If I were a Texan, I'd be on my best behavior. Meaning I'd move to Ohio. And start a meal delivery and dog walking and reading service for the elderly gay community with Alzheimer's. And I would read to them Henry Miller novels. But I would change the names and situations so the sex scenes in the novels were homosexual.

/sick of Texas and stories about Texans

as mentioned above, submittard got the state wrong....Iowa, not Texas

/ sorry to hear about this tragedy, but dogpiling on Texas doesn't make this right

// but if it makes the lesser states feel better about themselves, feel free

/// 'cause no one here will waste one second clutching pearls over your opinion....and Austin sucks, don't move there

Holy shiat you are a moron.

and to think, I once sponsored you...sniff....how the times have changed

We can still do the sexing. I will just use the monosyllabic word of safety for you.

And with this alone, Meow comes back off my ignore list because that was awesome.


You really shouldn't encourage it.
 
2014-03-10 01:38:03 AM

shtychkn: Lee451: A good and proper atheist like "Uncle Joe" Stalin would have taken care of these guys like no religious person could. These guys would have been terminated and the average citizen would live as these mentally handicapped guys did. 

/But...but...the religious are the bad guys!
//Atheists are just misunderstood!

no.  But Stalin would not have done the mental gymnastics to think he was doing good by them ether.  Which is what the poster was saying.


Why not? Reaaalllly few people wake up in the morning twirling a black mustache going "TODAY, I SHALL DO EVIL, NYAHAHAHAH."

Maybe you have chronotelepathy, and can read the minds of past leaders, though.
 
2014-03-10 01:46:29 AM

MisterTweak: I've got a family member who is mentally quite limited. the possibility of me passing away and him ending up in the custody of Texas is actually a very real concern. never hear the legislature managing to stop annoying abortion clinics long enough to discuss disabled adults.

probably because that would require actually doing something.


On this I am torn:

They had work a megar stipend and a room with meals. I'm California such people end up on the street. Should we be angry? A resounding yes. A new federal mental hygiene law with funds to house such people with a job simple enough to give them some dignity. We need to care for the people that can never care for themselves. This also should require permanate birth control.
But we have to deal with the ACLU the democrats and the republicans so this will never be.
We bear this shame as a people and a country.

/:/ this makes me sick
 
2014-03-10 01:50:28 AM

Animatronik: If they were working for slave wages and not covered by labor laws, then they were wards of the company and/or the state. The assets of all the entities involved should be used to care for the men who are still alive.


They should be required to help build a home for these people or we can just use their home and make the former owners housekeeping staff.
 
2014-03-10 01:54:31 AM
My 35 year-old older brother has a condition called Cri du Chat. While he will never be able to function enough to be exploited in the manner described in the TFA, stories like that still make me all stabby. It's cliche, but yeah, the mentally disabled are wonderful and full-of-life.

He is well looked after, here in BC. There's 2 other residents in his home supported round-the-clock by trained caregivers.

He likes wrestling and hockey, and delivers newspapers with the help of one of his caregivers. (he keeps the money)
 
2014-03-10 02:02:22 AM

TerminalEchoes: Chess players and math professors are mentally challenged. Did you mean "retarded?"


No, they mean "exceptional".  Didn't you read the article?
 
2014-03-10 02:03:55 AM

Duke_leto_Atredes: MisterTweak: I've got a family member who is mentally quite limited. the possibility of me passing away and him ending up in the custody of Texas is actually a very real concern. never hear the legislature managing to stop annoying abortion clinics long enough to discuss disabled adults.

probably because that would require actually doing something.

On this I am torn:

They had work a megar stipend and a room with meals. I'm California such people end up on the street. Should we be angry? A resounding yes. A new federal mental hygiene law with funds to house such people with a job simple enough to give them some dignity. We need to care for the people that can never care for themselves. This also should require permanate birth control.
But we have to deal with the ACLU the democrats and the republicans so this will never be.
We bear this shame as a people and a country.

/:/ this makes me sick


This
 
2014-03-10 02:37:20 AM

shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon


Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.
 
2014-03-10 02:43:25 AM

Felgraf: Reaaalllly few people wake up in the morning twirling a black mustache going "TODAY, I SHALL DO EVIL, NYAHAHAHAH."


I do.
 
2014-03-10 02:44:40 AM
A steady job with health care is better than sleeping in a doorway in San Francisco.
 
2014-03-10 02:46:00 AM

OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.


wut?
 
2014-03-10 02:51:52 AM

JSTACAT: SithLord: And if the State had their way, the mentally challenged individuals would be tortured, maimed and killed in an asylum against their will.

But I guess the liberals think that's a better, more final solution.

I'm no liberal, but i'll tell you there is a better way.
I think the state leaders are very concerned and looking for a better way, thats why we are reading & gnawing on this article.
 You cant just write off a whole state because of some mistakes people made while trying to help.
A lot of those "victims" are grateful they didn't rot in a cage, or die in the street & now, they may even get some fame & money.
End result seems ok.
The issue being raised and exposed is disturbing, the consequences of shirking a solution are horrible.

It will be the likes of me that will have to get folks on point and do something that works.


I dont stand no mess
yeah...


How will you make a change? Or are you saying "people like me" in a generic way?

Honest question.
 
2014-03-10 03:01:07 AM

OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.


Oh wow.

History fail.
 
2014-03-10 03:02:03 AM

log_jammin: OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.

wut?


The idea of strict prohibition on recreational intoxicants other than alcohol and tobacco predates either Johnson or Nixon by decades, so neither could reasonably be said to have started it. Wikipedia does indicate some further action to increase drug enforcement by both Johnson and Nixon, though it talks quite a bit more about Nixon's activities, including the fact that the phrase "War on Drugs" became popular during his administration.

I'm pretty sure OgreMagi just had a brainfart mixing up the two presidents. :)
 
2014-03-10 03:02:46 AM

zedster: FTFA:Mr. Henry says he is appealing the unfavorable verdict in the E.E.O.C. case. As for all those lawyers and social workers and "bureaucrats" who say the company exploited the men - well, he says, they were hoodwinked.
"They got conned," he says. "Some guys with I.Q.s of 60 and 70 conned them, and they never even knew it."

*rage twitch*

//Submitter
///took me a while to read the whole article


Thanks for posting that, zedster. I don't know which I want to do more, cry or punch somebody.
 
2014-03-10 03:04:18 AM

studebaker hoch: A steady job with health care is better than sleeping in a doorway in San Francisco.


Health care? They had no health insurance, not even Medicaid. Even though they most likely qualified for the latter.

Did you actually RTFA?

Did you read about the deplorable conditions these men were forced to live in, work in? They didn't choose to work in the turkey processing plant. They were given no choice, unlike their non-disabled co-workers.
 
2014-03-10 03:05:23 AM

o'really: OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.

Oh wow.

History fail.


I'm talking about the War on Drugs, not the Vietnam War.
 
2014-03-10 03:05:32 AM

SithLord: And if the State had their way, the mentally challenged individuals would be tortured, maimed and killed in an asylum against their will.

But I guess the liberals think that's a better, more final solution.


how in the fark did you come to that conclusion??

especially since "the state" saved these people(decades too late) and did the exact opposite of having them  "tortured, maimed and killed in an asylum against their will."

The free market conservative in this case is the one who held these people in squalor against their will. not the farking state.
 
2014-03-10 03:05:33 AM

studebaker hoch: A steady job with health care is better than sleeping in a doorway in San Francisco.


The people in the article were denied basic levels of health care and housing.

Services for the developmentally disabled are quite extensive in CA.
Not so for the mentally ill.

But choosing between the two? No one should have to live in either condition.
 
2014-03-10 03:07:20 AM

OgreMagi: I'm talking about the War on Drugs, not the Vietnam War.


yes. your history fail is where you apparently don't know that Nixon was elected AFTER Johnson.
 
2014-03-10 03:07:55 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Did you actually RTFA?


I don't even bother asking that anymore.
 
2014-03-10 04:08:12 AM

Duke_leto_Atredes: We bear this shame as a people and a country


It's more than shame IMO... it's an atrocity; crime against humanity almost.

How much cash did we 'lose' in Iraq?

How much did we spend on both wars, essentially to defend our world image and control oil interests?

Those in dire need of mental health care (and shiat, medical care while we're at it) could have lived very comfortably on that money. But instead, we pissed it away on controversial conflicts instead of caring for our own citizens, because 'they should just stop being poor/disabled/etc'.

/bitter at the world
//late night rambling
 
2014-03-10 04:08:40 AM

log_jammin: OgreMagi: I'm talking about the War on Drugs, not the Vietnam War.

yes. your history fail is where you apparently don't know that Nixon was elected AFTER Johnson.


D'oh.  It's late and I'm tired.  Yes, I failed.  Fark me.
 
2014-03-10 04:37:24 AM

OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.


I guess anyone can be a TF'er.
 
2014-03-10 04:46:45 AM
The guy who set up this and did that to these men deserves to be kicked in the balls by a train of missouri mules.
 
2014-03-10 04:52:40 AM
The mentally disabled.

The truth is that nobody,  other than their parents,  want them around.  They are an inconvenience, costly and a drain on society.   And the sad fact is even their parents do not want them around after a period of time.

Nobody is going to be their to take care of them when the parents die and they will end up in institutes and many of those people taking care of them will get fed up and become abusive.

If you are  pregnant and have been told that your child has an above average risk of being mentally disabled get an abortion.   The child will not know it has happened, but you can be sure they will if you have them.

If your child is mentally disabled due to an accident or illness then I wish you all the best, because I have seen the best destroyed by it.

As sad as it is to say these sort of abuses will always occur and will never stop because the mentally disabled are a burden and often even those who love them at the beginning learn to hate them as they destroy every part of their lives.

No I am not being dramatic.
 
2014-03-10 05:01:37 AM

log_jammin: yes. your history fail is where you apparently don't know that Nixon was elected AFTER Johnson.


Which proves how devious and evil Johnson was.

ladyfortuna: Those in dire need of mental health care (and shiat, medical care while we're at it) could have lived very comfortably on that money. But instead, we pissed it away on controversial conflicts instead of caring for our own citizens, because 'they should just stop being poor/disabled/etc'.


A lot of people are making good wages designing and building the POS called the F35 joint strike fighter. That thing compares very unfavorably with the few hundreds of tons of sliced turkey breasts these guys were producing. Yet who gets the money to buy nice things and who lived in a roach infested falling down old school house.
 
2014-03-10 05:35:07 AM

OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.


You know Nixon came after LBJ
 
2014-03-10 05:49:54 AM
Honest to god we got someone defending slavery in this thread cause that's what went on in the article. That was terrible and everyone turning a blind eye to it is even worse.
 
2014-03-10 05:53:18 AM
Strictly, and transparently, administered Worker's Co-operatives, for the mentally disabled, do not attract skimming third parties.

Just as a Rural Electric Co-op is owned by the members of the Co-op (all income generated above that required for upgrade/maintenance/repair to system is returned,, by check, annually, to the vested members).  Consider a  Worker's Co-op for the disabled to be similar sort of Social Utility.
 
2014-03-10 06:24:02 AM

Guest: The mentally disabled.

The truth is that nobody,  other than their parents,  want them around.  They are an inconvenience, costly and a drain on society.   And the sad fact is even their parents do not want them around after a period of time.

Nobody is going to be their to take care of them when the parents die and they will end up in institutes and many of those people taking care of them will get fed up and become abusive.

If you are  pregnant and have been told that your child has an above average risk of being mentally disabled get an abortion.   The child will not know it has happened, but you can be sure they will if you have them.

If your child is mentally disabled due to an accident or illness then I wish you all the best, because I have seen the best destroyed by it.

As sad as it is to say these sort of abuses will always occur and will never stop because the mentally disabled are a burden and often even those who love them at the beginning learn to hate them as they destroy every part of their lives.

No I am not being dramatic.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-10 06:42:20 AM
Glad to see this show up on Fark. Read it last night and was appalled. Not so much that it had happened - though that it went on so long was depressing as all hell. Rather that those in charge or in a position to fix things either convinced themselves of their charity* or turned a blind eye to the abuses. Not that I can get too high and mighty. In my history I've certainly worked with dishwashers who were paid less than minimum wage simply because they were handicapped, despite doing the work better than just about anyone you could hire for such a job in the Midwest.

* It really grinds my gears that Mr. Turkey Inseminator has convinced himself that he was doing these men a good turn by ripping them off for 30 years. He obviously believes that what he and the rancher did for them was an act of charity, despite paying them a pittance and allowing their living conditions to deteriorate so badly. And then, of course, failing in his promise and duty to provide them with a retirement; which was for their benefit, seeing as how he'd let them be treated while they were toiling for him and the dead guy.
 
2014-03-10 07:20:32 AM
I'm sympathizing with the Texans in this thread (and I'm from California!). 

You can't simply blame one state for all of this-- the thing is, this happens *everywhere*.  I'm not saying it's justified (I have friends of family that had to work in Chinese sweat shops at some point in their lives-- in yes, my state), but it's the nature of some human beings to take horrible advantage of their fellows.  It's a sad thing that we all need to be aware of and not let history repeat itself (I mean, for chrissakes look at what's happening at labor factories in China and India).  We can't go back in time to correct the abuse others have suffered, but we can work to change the future so this kind of disgust won't have to tarnish our lives again. 

Really sad article, but glad the boys got a content life in the end.  Thanks for the article, subby.
 
2014-03-10 07:29:15 AM

IBreakdance2NIN: [i.imgur.com image 245x196]


What film is that from?
 
2014-03-10 07:32:59 AM
 
2014-03-10 08:42:04 AM
It's a beautiful article about a horrible story... but shiat like that is going on in a much more massive scale all around the world.

Also, cough Qatar, cough.
 
2014-03-10 08:59:19 AM

Walker: See this coming towards you? Run for your f*cking life.
[graphics8.nytimes.com image 640x360]


See, round here they use "nightmare fuel" for totally lame crap. However, a gang of 'tarded clowns is truly something to run the fark away from.
 
2014-03-10 09:25:42 AM

obamadidcoke: Texas spent 6.2 billion on disability services in 2012, more than any other state. 2 billion of that was spent on over 43,000 intellectually disabled individuals 3/4 of which are cared for in their local communities.


That's great.  But unless you see how that money was used exactly, it doesn't mean much.  Also "total amount" isn't as illuminating as "per capita".

My cousin's half brother is intellectually disabled.  I'm pretty sure he makes more money than I do.
 
2014-03-10 09:43:49 AM

A Terrible Human: Honest to god we got someone defending slavery in this thread cause that's what went on in the article. That was terrible and everyone turning a blind eye to it is even worse.


Yep.  Remember this thread the next time someone hands you that "Christianity ended slavery" B.S.

/is prepared to give them partial credit
//in about 3900 A.D.
 
2014-03-10 09:45:32 AM
ha, I posted that early:

Because he works his ass off, and his first job (locally owned, union) was really patient with him.  He still has that job, and two other gigs on top of it.  My cousin and her husband also kick all sorts of ass for taking care of him, but yep.

This sort of crap makes me sick.  At least my cousin got a new extended family (she didn't know my uncle was her father until after her mother died), and even if something happens to them there's over a dozen people now who'll take him in.  I can't imagine how much it must suck for caretakers that don't have that safety net.  :/
 
2014-03-10 09:47:04 AM

PunGent: A Terrible Human: Honest to god we got someone defending slavery in this thread cause that's what went on in the article. That was terrible and everyone turning a blind eye to it is even worse.

Yep.  Remember this thread the next time someone hands you that "Christianity ended slavery" B.S.

/is prepared to give them partial credit
//in about 3900 A.D.


That's a thing?

I mean, I'm sure Christianity was a guiding principle behind some of the abolitionists, but that's a thing?
 
2014-03-10 10:06:42 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: PunGent: A Terrible Human: Honest to god we got someone defending slavery in this thread cause that's what went on in the article. That was terrible and everyone turning a blind eye to it is even worse.

Yep.  Remember this thread the next time someone hands you that "Christianity ended slavery" B.S.

/is prepared to give them partial credit
//in about 3900 A.D.

That's a thing?

I mean, I'm sure Christianity was a guiding principle behind some of the abolitionists, but that's a thing?


Yep, got me banned from FreeRepublic once, and I've had other online disagreements about it.  One in a D&D/rpg forum, of all places.

/Sorry, Christians, there were some influential religious abolitionists, but the Bible was also used as justification for  slavery for centuries
//gotta take the good with the bad
///some other religions are worse
 
2014-03-10 10:15:41 AM

shtychkn: OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.

You know Nixon came after LBJ


And Clinton came after L's BJ
 
2014-03-10 11:29:16 AM

fusillade762: Therion: You would think that electing them to Senate positions was proper recompense.

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Or the House.


They have double-digit IQ's, which makes them WILDLY overqualified for the House.
 
2014-03-10 11:32:41 AM

Gulper Eel: Benevolent Misanthrope: Iowa. They lived in Iowa.

Shut up. This is now a when-in-doubt-piss-on-Texas thread. Actually reading the article is no longer relevant.


Maybe if Texas didn't need pissing on so often, but you know, lie down with dogs....
 
2014-03-10 12:33:06 PM

Guest: The mentally disabled.

The truth is that nobody,  other than their parents,  want them around.  They are an inconvenience, costly and a drain on society.   And the sad fact is even their parents do not want them around after a period of time.

Nobody is going to be their to take care of them when the parents die and they will end up in institutes and many of those people taking care of them will get fed up and become abusive.

If you are  pregnant and have been told that your child has an above average risk of being mentally disabled get an abortion.   The child will not know it has happened, but you can be sure they will if you have them.

If your child is mentally disabled due to an accident or illness then I wish you all the best, because I have seen the best destroyed by it.

As sad as it is to say these sort of abuses will always occur and will never stop because the mentally disabled are a burden and often even those who love them at the beginning learn to hate them as they destroy every part of their lives.

No I am not being dramatic.


Well that's... urk, I want to disagree with you, but...
 
2014-03-10 01:46:03 PM

craigdamage: Enough of this Tex-bashing. I have lived in Dallas my entire life. (45 years) There is no more corruption,idiocy,racism ....etc....etc....than anywhere else.

Every single time I have ever encountered someone who is visiting Texas for the first time they ALWAYS state that it is no way like they had expected.


If you have lived in Texas your entire life, how do you *know* how people in the other 49 treat each other?

I consider you a judge of things in Texas, not in comparing Texas to other places.

Or is that just the Texan in you, talking shiat?
 
2014-03-10 01:46:58 PM
Interesting read, thanks subby!

Fark should have a yearly contest similiar to the HOTY. Yes, there is lots useless stuff on Fark, but that's the point of it. However, there can be some really great posted as well. I think it would be nice to have it all together. If not a yearly collection of interesting articles, maybe a new tab similiar to sports, entertainment, etc.
 Just throwing it out there. Swat it away if you don't like it.
 
2014-03-10 02:24:42 PM

o'really: OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.

Oh wow.

History fail.


What do you mea fail? If Reagan hadn't blown up The Maine, none of this ever would have happened.
 
2014-03-10 02:32:15 PM

Ilmarinen: shtychkn: OgreMagi: shtychkn: OgreMagi: Kittypie070: The only goddamn things good about Texass are LBJ, Houston (MCC), and Austin.

I wonder what that ol' presidential asshole woulda thought of this.

LBJ was an asshole who made things worse in Vietnam war and the "War on Drugs". What's so good about that?

I think you mean Nixon

Nixon started it.  Johnson expanded it.

You know Nixon came after LBJ

And Clinton came after L's BJ


I chucked
 
2014-03-10 03:14:01 PM

studebaker hoch: A steady job with health care is better than sleeping in a doorway in San Francisco.


I would agree with you, certainly the homeless are in a very bad situation, however, these men were not getting healthcare and the money from their jobs and SSDI was being stolen from them. Other than that, you're right, and the statement pretty much applies to everyone, not just the developmentally disabled.
 
2014-03-10 03:24:42 PM

Pichu0102: Guest: The mentally disabled.

The truth is that nobody,  other than their parents,  want them around.  They are an inconvenience, costly and a drain on society.   And the sad fact is even their parents do not want them around after a period of time.

Nobody is going to be their to take care of them when the parents die and they will end up in institutes and many of those people taking care of them will get fed up and become abusive.

If you are  pregnant and have been told that your child has an above average risk of being mentally disabled get an abortion.   The child will not know it has happened, but you can be sure they will if you have them.

If your child is mentally disabled due to an accident or illness then I wish you all the best, because I have seen the best destroyed by it.

As sad as it is to say these sort of abuses will always occur and will never stop because the mentally disabled are a burden and often even those who love them at the beginning learn to hate them as they destroy every part of their lives.

No I am not being dramatic.

Well that's... urk, I want to disagree with you, but...


Is it really a Godwin when the post is *exactly the Nazi philosophy and practice"?

Lebensunwertes Leben - Life unworthy of life

Check it out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life
 
2014-03-10 04:12:43 PM
TFA makes for an appalling img.fark.net to Peter Schiff's remarks to img1.fark.net from thread 8120935.
 
2014-03-10 04:37:31 PM

silvervial: Pichu0102: Guest: The mentally disabled.

The truth is that nobody,  other than their parents,  want them around.  They are an inconvenience, costly and a drain on society.   And the sad fact is even their parents do not want them around after a period of time.

Nobody is going to be their to take care of them when the parents die and they will end up in institutes and many of those people taking care of them will get fed up and become abusive.

If you are  pregnant and have been told that your child has an above average risk of being mentally disabled get an abortion.   The child will not know it has happened, but you can be sure they will if you have them.

If your child is mentally disabled due to an accident or illness then I wish you all the best, because I have seen the best destroyed by it.

As sad as it is to say these sort of abuses will always occur and will never stop because the mentally disabled are a burden and often even those who love them at the beginning learn to hate them as they destroy every part of their lives.

No I am not being dramatic.

Well that's... urk, I want to disagree with you, but...

Is it really a Godwin when the post is *exactly the Nazi philosophy and practice"?

Lebensunwertes Leben - Life unworthy of life

Check it out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life


Unfortunately, there's a small pang of truth to the post. I know very well that caretakers of the mentally disabled can burn out and become less caring, and even the parents can be overwhelmed by taking care of the disabled.
That part about no one wanting them around is also more true than I'd like to admit. We already see people and businesses being assholes to the physically crippled, now imagine what those same people think of those with disabilities they can't see, and think the disabled is just dumb, an asshole, or worthless.

Some people would prefer the mentally disabled be neither seen nor heard. They'd prefer to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that there are no disabilities, just people with personal failings...
 
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