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2014-03-09 11:45:28 PM  
I've been privileged enough to have travelled fairly extensively. About the only time I ever play the Canadian card is when I get called an American (with whom I generally  have no arguments, having been the recipient of a fair bit of hospitality/sexy time) by some European. Just to put the shoe on the other foot, I have responded to people in Europe who've said "well, it's all the same, really..."

A) "You Irish always say that" to an English person.
B) "You Germans are funny that way" to a Frenchman.
C) "Are you Jewish? You look Jewish" to a Pole.

Seems to restore a sort of balance. It probably helps that I look like a soccer thug.
 
2014-03-09 11:50:46 PM  

moeburn: SirMadness:

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"It... it can't be.  People... hating America?  I can understand Arabs wanting us to die... but white people?  No way.  I'm calling bullshiat."


Don't put words in my mouth. It's ignorant and childish, and only serves to antagonize. For clarification, here's what I'm saying: Your. story. Is. Bullshiat. A cherry-picked, one-off anecdote, most likely exaggerated, that does not represent the views of Canadians at large on the events of that shiat-ass day. I'm sorry that wasn't made more clear.

/and...uh...why...the fark would I care what white people think about Americans?! Something I'm not, caring about something else I'm not...your assumptions are flawed. So sorry.
 
2014-03-09 11:51:39 PM  
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2014-03-09 11:53:58 PM  

Gunny Highway: El Dudereno: sumdruncomic: sorry, don't buy it. Have yet to see anyone more obnoxious than a drunken visiting New York Yankees fan

Drunk visiting Massholes are worse, in my experience. I once saw a guy here (South Dakota) from MA yell obscenities across the street at a guy who was wearing a Yankees cap. The guy in the Yankees cap was also in a wheelchair and mentally handicapped.
The rest of my experiences with these types is as tourists in the black hills. Pushy, loud jackasses.

Maybe the accent just stands out, but it's just obnoxious and annoying. Relax, man. You're on vacation.

When was this?  Honestly, nobody really gives a shiat about the Yankees/Sox thing anymore.


It's been a few years now, but it was a memorable WTF moment.
 
2014-03-09 11:58:50 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: When I waited tables, "Canadian" was our euphemism for cheap tippers.


Canadian servers make $9 an hour, almost minimum wage, so we tend to tip a bit less.
 
2014-03-10 12:03:40 AM  
Worst I saw out of country was an amazingly obnoxious group of twenty something twenty somethings from Edmonton. Second worst was a dozen or so young adults from Hamilton. Both were in Varadero.
 
2014-03-10 12:11:55 AM  
moeburn:
The day after the September 11th attacks, everywhere people were saying like "fark those Americans" and "they deserved to die" and "that's what they get for being American".  Everyone, whether they were white rich people or poor minorities, truly jumped for joy after 9/11.  They just stopped short of burning flags in the streets.

bullshiat: no one i know reacted like that. mostly we were saddened by the waste of life.

I will say i became a bit suspicious by the way the buildings collapsed on their own foot print.
 
2014-03-10 12:13:24 AM  
/ Not my experience at all. Granted I do have a collection of Canadian coinage but well like I told a Canadian man in '05 when he asked if he could pay in Canook money I said sure it's fine since y'all's dollar is gonna be worth as much or more than ours down here soon. He looked at me and was all really. Well...
 
2014-03-10 12:18:05 AM  
I don't know about Canadians, but the Quebecois I deal with are generally the biggest assholes I've ever met--and that include New Yorkers and Texans.  Yes--I consider Quebecois different than regular Canadians.  It would be unfair to lump the fine people of Canada in with the faux-frogs of pretend France.

CSB:

On a business trip years ago I was dealing with a mouthy faux-frog biatch who was complaining about why her usual rep wasn't there, and how America was too militaristic.  Try as I might to be a good vendor and change the subject, she pressed.  When I finally told her I was there because her usual rep was called up to go fight in Afghanistan, she blanched.  Her boss, who was in the room with us, was supremely embarrassed for their corporation.

A little later she was biatching about why I didn't know French, since I was the vendor.  At this point I just lost my pretenses and reminded her flat out the entire population of Canada is lower than California, America has more Spanish-speakers than Canada has people, Canada generally owes 90% of its export profits to America, and literally the week before I was there I was dealing with Spanish-speaking vendors of my own in Florida, so if I were to spend the time leaning a third language, it would be Spanish.

/She blanched a second time when I informed her I already knew German.
//The biatch was fired three weeks later--partly for being so stupid with me.
 
2014-03-10 12:40:07 AM  

moeburn: MurphyMurphy: They are angry.

Because they have no self identity. Canadians do not get to just 'be Canadian'. Everything they are is constantly compared to Americans.

So their identity becomes that of "well.... we aren't Americans.." followed by whatever half-baked theory they have about what makes them better than and separate from the Americans.

Basically, it boils down to "Marsha, Marsha Marsha!"

You don't even understand the half of the hatred towards America that exists in Canada.

The day after the September 11th attacks, everywhere people were saying like "fark those Americans" and "they deserved to die" and "that's what they get for being American".  Everyone, whether they were white rich people or poor minorities, truly jumped for joy after 9/11.  They just stopped short of burning flags in the streets.


Know how I know yyou're lying through your teeth?
 
2014-03-10 12:59:29 AM  

moeburn: (I was in highschool at the time)


Then you should probably take that into careful consideration when discussing it.
 
2014-03-10 01:26:18 AM  
I've noticed a curious trend when it comes to Canadians.  They tend to be very polite in person, but raging assholes online.  It's like John Gabriel's Greater Internet Farkwad Theory on steroids.
 
2014-03-10 01:42:00 AM  
i actually find this very believable. the dumbest drunk fight pickers i've encountered in NYC bars, were Canadian tourists.
 
2014-03-10 01:53:47 AM  
It's funny how the holier than thou tip defenders never tip fast food restaurant workers who make even less than their counterparts at so-called sit-down restaurants.
 
2014-03-10 01:57:52 AM  

Billy Liar: thamike: John Thompson, former director of Canadian Studies at North Carolina's Duke University

Really? Nobody's touching this?

Popular classes.....Everybody gets an "eh".


Awesome.
 
2014-03-10 02:34:49 AM  
Anyway, as someone who has traveled pretty extensively abroad, i can't think of a single incidence of encountering a rude Canadian.
 
2014-03-10 02:35:15 AM  
My exposure to Canadian tourists has been limited to within the United States so I'm not sure how they are in other countries but I can't say I've had any negative experiences with them...they were generally nice, fun, polite and seemed to be genuinely having a good time.  I'm also of the school of thought that when you are abroad you're a representative of your country and when dealing with foreigners in your own country you're also representing your country so I hope that when I have run across people traveling to the United States hopefully they had a good time and I helped to send them home with a positive view of Americans and the United States as a whole.
Canadians tend to be obnoxious about hockey but that's different in that it's a part of their cultural heritage much more so than it is in the United States and they genuinely believe that either they are the best at it, should be the best at it or both.
It seems like there is a general theme of people traveling abroad to places where they think they can get away with things they couldn't in their own countries or just behaving in a boorish manner because they are on vacation...it seems like it's a pretty common theme whether the tourist be American, Canadian, English, German, Chinese, Australian or whatever...some people just become different people once they are away from home.
 
2014-03-10 02:40:21 AM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: It's funny how the holier than thou tip defenders never tip fast food restaurant workers who make even less than their counterparts at so-called sit-down restaurants.


Tipping is for wait service.  Tips are not expected when a cashier simply hands you your food at the counter or drive-thru windo.

Plus, most fast food chains forbid employees from accepting tips.
 
2014-03-10 03:04:36 AM  
We dislike them intensely here in Metro Detroit, but we pretend not to.
 
2014-03-10 03:14:24 AM  

moeburn: I'm a Canadian, and I tried to go on vacation to France once.  The rural French would just ask us "Where are you from?" and then, after being told "Canada", would let out a relieved "Oh thank GOD".

The Parisians, on the other hand, simply did not believe us.  Apparently so many Americans had come to Paris pretending to be Canadian, that they now just assume all english-speaking people with a North-American accent were from USA.

I also learned that French people like to "smoke out" tourists.  On 3 separate occasions we tried to eat at a restaurant, only to have every single Frenchie in the entire seating area light up a cig at once.

Oh, and people tried to pickpocket us 5 different times in the one week we spent in Paris.

fark France.


I went to France on vacation once, and French people would give me their cell-phone to make phone calls, so I wouldn't need to buy a calling card. Parisian people handed me marijuana, so that I might enjoy myself further in the city. People carefully explained me directions. A beautiful redhead emptied my loins four times in two days. French people freely welcomed me and explained that there is no bad blood between France and America any longer. This was in 2012.
 
2014-03-10 04:02:20 AM  

proteus_b: French people freely welcomed me and explained that there is no bad blood between France and America any longer. This was in 2012.


I had a somewhat similar experience in 2010.  The Parisians I interacted with were completely indifferent to me being American.  As long as you attempted to speak in French, were patient, were polite and didn't dress like a slob, no troubles.  And when a Parisian initiated a conversation and I apologized for knowing so little French, most would switch over to English.  A couple of people even mistook me for being German and hesitantly asked "English or Deutch?".

No trouble with pickpockets, but then I hid my wallet and left my valuables at home.  Carried a small point and shoot camera, not a DSLR.

The owner of the small hotel I stayed in didn't hold back on his disdain for the Chinese, though.  It seems that while American tourists have gotten better with their travel etiquette over the decades, east Asian tourists were mostly novices.
 
2014-03-10 04:58:08 AM  
This just in:  Experienced travellers tend to be polite and considerate.  Travellers looking to escape Hoth and hit the beach and pound some beers apparently can get rowdy.

Nationality isn't that critical in the equation.

/Albertan
//We might come off as assholes, but that's just what it's like talking to someone superior to you, so get used to it
 
2014-03-10 04:58:43 AM  
I'm going to vote #1 for Australians.

/I may have been drinking
//thinking of hitting the streets to be obnoxious
 
2014-03-10 05:04:27 AM  
Also, I'm already arrogant and what the hell is "tipping"?

/of course I know, but we only do it in restaurants and taxis/cabs here
 
2014-03-10 06:23:04 AM  

moeburn: The day after the September 11th attacks, everywhere people were saying like "fark those Americans" and "they deserved to die" and "that's what they get for being American". Everyone, whether they were white rich people or poor minorities, truly jumped for joy after 9/11. They just stopped short of burning flags in the streets.


Maybe we should have invaded Canada instead of Iraq.

I keed, I keed.
 
2014-03-10 06:23:57 AM  

sleeps in trees: moeburn: MurphyMurphy: They are angry.

Because they have no self identity. Canadians do not get to just 'be Canadian'. Everything they are is constantly compared to Americans.

So their identity becomes that of "well.... we aren't Americans.." followed by whatever half-baked theory they have about what makes them better than and separate from the Americans.

Basically, it boils down to "Marsha, Marsha Marsha!"

You don't even understand the half of the hatred towards America that exists in Canada.

The day after the September 11th attacks, everywhere people were saying like "fark those Americans" and "they deserved to die" and "that's what they get for being American".  Everyone, whether they were white rich people or poor minorities, truly jumped for joy after 9/11.  They just stopped short of burning flags in the streets.

Really? I remember being 7 months pregnant and standing in line at the Vancouver airport to take a displaced family home. I also remember getting friends together to make and distribute food and blankets.


Yeah, but you almost burned a flag. Admit it!
 
2014-03-10 07:05:23 AM  
If you ever have the misfortune to be at Disney World in June, July or August, you will know the worlds worst, most obnoxious tourists are the Brazilians.  Not even close.  The closest I've ever come to knocking someone out cold in my life was some obnoxious Brazilian teenager who knocked my son's stroller over while pushing past us to run up to and get a seat at a show.
 
2014-03-10 07:06:30 AM  
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2014-03-10 07:57:33 AM  

Valiente: I've been privileged enough to have travelled fairly extensively. About the only time I ever play the Canadian card is when I get called an American (with whom I generally  have no arguments, having been the recipient of a fair bit of hospitality/sexy time) by some European. Just to put the shoe on the other foot, I have responded to people in Europe who've said "well, it's all the same, really..."

A) "You Irish always say that" to an English person.
B) "You Germans are funny that way" to a Frenchman.
C) "Are you Jewish? You look Jewish" to a Pole.

Seems to restore a sort of balance. It probably helps that I look like a soccer thug.


You're lucky Europeans are smart enough to get the joke.  I used to try that one in response to other Americans confusing West Virginia with Virginia.
Them: "Oh, you're from West Virginia?  My cousin lives in Richmond...".
Me: "Wow, what a coincidence.  You said you were from Oklahoma, right?  I've got a cousin who lives in Omaha..."
Somehow they always left the conversation thinking I was the idiot.
I wouldn't have minded if a foreigner didn't know the difference.

/ Then there were the Northern Virginians thinking I was from Charles Town, WV when I was actually from Charleston, WV.  That was ultimately WV's fault for naming 2 cities the same damned thing, but oh so frustrating.
 
2014-03-10 08:00:04 AM  

darkjezter: TheVeryDeadIanMartin: It's funny how the holier than thou tip defenders never tip fast food restaurant workers who make even less than their counterparts at so-called sit-down restaurants.

Tipping is for wait service.  Tips are not expected when a cashier simply hands you your food at the counter or drive-thru windo.

Plus, most fast food chains forbid employees from accepting tips.


Except if a bar tender hands you a bottle of beer at the counter.  That service is traditionally worth $1.  To be fair, he does open the bottle first.
 
2014-03-10 08:06:09 AM  
Worst tourists I ever encountered were Russians in Thailand.  The entire country is going to die of lung cancer.  They were all constantly chain smoking.  I couldn't enjoy the beach because of all the smoke.  And there were a few times I'd be in a store looking at things on a shelf and some Russian tourist would walk right up, and stand right in front of me to look at the same stuff.  No apology.  No moving out of my way.  Directly in front of me.   I guess they were just excited to see actual products on store shelves or something.
 
2014-03-10 08:06:57 AM  

moeburn: entropic_existence:
Maybe because it seems a little far fetched given the general Canadian reaction to 9-11? I'm from the east coast and Newfoundland alone welcomed thousands of flight loads of (mostly) American travellers into their homes on 9/11. I stood in a dorm common room with tons of people absolutely horrified. Profs and students all over where shocked, NO one said anything, ever, about Americans deserving it. There were 9/11 memorial services in many places in Canada afterwards, and on the one year anniversary.

In fact, in all of the years since I have only heard one person, in person, saying that the Americans deserved it, and I wanted to punch the guy in the mouth for it.

Have you never been to Toronto?  It's like New York, only people hate each other more.  I've been to Newfoundland, and I have to say the people in the east coast are among the politest in this country.


Yes, I lived in Toronto for awhile. Toronto has its faults but it is hardly the worst place I've ever been too.

rhiannon: moeburn: rhiannon:

You don't need to apologize for the country, there's no need to. If anything, just apologize for the people you hang around with.

Who said these were the people I hang around with?

Thankfully, the people I hung around with were not the people I am talking about.  I am talking about the things I heard people saying as I walked through the hallways (I was in highschool at the time), and the things a few of my teachers said.  Most of the students just didn't care one way or the other, it could have been a bombing in the middle east for all they cared.  A few kids got visibly excited at the chance to run around telling everyone what had happened.  But the ones that were the most vocal, the only ones that I could hear, were the ones smiling and laughing and joking about it.  I wish cell-phone cameras were popular back then, because I would have gotten some video as proof.  It was truly disgusting.

You've made a hell of a jump from your original comment to saying it was just teenagers.


Yeah, I'm going to chalk most of it up to a combination of "exaggerated memory" plus a few vocal assholes (I'm assuming the number of teachers who said anything really bad was small) plus teenagers who don't know shiat. Hell most of the University students who were classmates of mine at the time were from southern Ontario. They export a hell of a lot of students to the east coast schools, and none of them said anything like that.

unyon: This just in:  Experienced travellers tend to be polite and considerate.  Travellers looking to escape Hoth and hit the beach and pound some beers apparently can get rowdy.

Nationality isn't that critical in the equation.

/Albertan
//We might come off as assholes, but that's just what it's like talking to someone superior to you, so get used to it


This. The extension also generally applies to most travellers in their 20's who are travelling as part of a group of 20-somethings.

I was in Vegas back in July and when playing black jack one of the girls at a nearby table was a Canadian who was being loud and obnoxious. Imitating a Chinese accent when talking to the Asian dealer, etc. I was embarrassed for my country.
 
2014-03-10 09:32:12 AM  
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2014-03-10 09:42:40 AM  
Canadians are Eh' holes
 
2014-03-10 10:07:48 AM  

varmitydog: With so many Canadians being of Scottish descent, ain't no wonder so many of them are cheap, uh thrifty.

A while back a friend opened up a bar on Panama City Beach. He had trouble drawing patrons in the off season, so he put on a special--a free pitcher of beer if you bought a sandwich. I went and got one, and it was a good deal. The next time I went the special was gone. He had to cancel the special because the Canadian snow birds would come in four at a time, order a sandwich, cut it in four sections, drink a beer apiece and then leave. The waitress told me that so many of them did this it was like a club or something.

Still ask any hotel owner who is more obnoxious---the snow birds or the spring break kids. The snow birds might be cheap, uh thrifty, but they're well behaved and it's safe on the beach when they're there. When spring break starts, even with cops everywhere and overlooking much of the bad behavior, it's a lot like feeding time the zoo.


Which bar? (used to live there).

Like most retirees, Canadian snowbirds are on a fixed income and need to watch their pennies so they tend to be as cheap as a Scotsman.  True, they don't tip well and tend to argue with servers/store owners ect... when prices even go up as much as a nickle. I've seen this happen several time.
Aside from being notoriously cheap and very bad tippers, because they are, they aren't an obnoxious lot as a whole. Just frugal as a fault.
 
2014-03-10 11:14:29 AM  

ciberido: Absolutely. You never ask someone if they're American. It's like asking a woman if she's pregnant. Always, always assume she isn't until she TELLS you.


Now, I really want to go up to an obviously pregnant woman and ask, "So, are you morbidly obese?"...

/No, I don't...
//I value my balls too much...
 
2014-03-10 11:28:37 AM  

fickenchucker: I don't know about Canadians, but the Quebecois I deal with are generally the biggest assholes I've ever met--and that include New Yorkers and Texans.  Yes--I consider Quebecois different than regular Canadians.  It would be unfair to lump the fine people of Canada in with the faux-frogs of pretend France.

CSB:

On a business trip years ago I was dealing with a mouthy faux-frog biatch who was complaining about why her usual rep wasn't there, and how America was too militaristic.  Try as I might to be a good vendor and change the subject, she pressed.  When I finally told her I was there because her usual rep was called up to go fight in Afghanistan, she blanched.  Her boss, who was in the room with us, was supremely embarrassed for their corporation.

A little later she was biatching about why I didn't know French, since I was the vendor.  At this point I just lost my pretenses and reminded her flat out the entire population of Canada is lower than California, America has more Spanish-speakers than Canada has people, Canada generally owes 90% of its export profits to America, and literally the week before I was there I was dealing with Spanish-speaking vendors of my own in Florida, so if I were to spend the time leaning a third language, it would be Spanish.

/She blanched a second time when I informed her I already knew German.
//The biatch was fired three weeks later--partly for being so stupid with me.


Fair enough. Nobody likes rudeness, and politically ignorant rudeness is particularly unwelcome.

That said, the Quebecoise's ignorance is roughly equivalent to Americans insisting at the Canadian border that they should "keep their guns because Constitution!" There are yahoos (original Swiftian sense) everywhere.
 
2014-03-10 11:31:00 AM  

TheHopeDiamond: We dislike them intensely here in Metro Detroit, but we pretend not to.


Is it because they keep referring to your city as "Future Site of the Greater Windsor Dump"? A gross point, perhaps, but not inconceivable.
 
2014-03-10 11:34:31 AM  

serial_crusher: Valiente: I've been privileged enough to have travelled fairly extensively. About the only time I ever play the Canadian card is when I get called an American (with whom I generally  have no arguments, having been the recipient of a fair bit of hospitality/sexy time) by some European. Just to put the shoe on the other foot, I have responded to people in Europe who've said "well, it's all the same, really..."

A) "You Irish always say that" to an English person.
B) "You Germans are funny that way" to a Frenchman.
C) "Are you Jewish? You look Jewish" to a Pole.

Seems to restore a sort of balance. It probably helps that I look like a soccer thug.

You're lucky Europeans are smart enough to get the joke.  I used to try that one in response to other Americans confusing West Virginia with Virginia.
Them: "Oh, you're from West Virginia?  My cousin lives in Richmond...".
Me: "Wow, what a coincidence.  You said you were from Oklahoma, right?  I've got a cousin who lives in Omaha..."
Somehow they always left the conversation thinking I was the idiot.
I wouldn't have minded if a foreigner didn't know the difference.

/ Then there were the Northern Virginians thinking I was from Charles Town, WV when I was actually from Charleston, WV.  That was ultimately WV's fault for naming 2 cities the same damned thing, but oh so frustrating.


America and Canada share a problem in that there were really too few English placenames to cover a vastly bigger territory and no one was proofing the master list.

/every little Ontario town older than a century has a "King", "Queen" and "Albert" street...it seems like a rule.
 
2014-03-10 11:37:27 AM  
I have never met a Canadian I did not like.  They are polite, kind and generous.  This is bullshiat!
 
2014-03-10 11:47:50 AM  

moeburn: Why would I lie about this?


As reluctant as I am to wade in here, I distinctly recall, immediately after 9/11, an interview on a national network news show with a Quebecoise who pretty much said: fark the US for allowing the attacks to occur and putting Canada in danger.  It was a jaw-dropper and I never saw another interview with anyone from Canada that wasn't pro-US.
 
2014-03-10 11:52:18 AM  
Traveled to France with a ski club.  I, an American, and most of the party were polite and courteous.
There was one female friend in the group who sounded like boisterous, loud-mouthed broad from da Bronx.

/which she was.
 
2014-03-10 12:13:01 PM  
 
2014-03-10 01:37:47 PM  

gja: LoneWolf343: hardinparamedic: gopher321: Worst tipping? That I can believe. Arrogant? Drunkest? Most obnoxious? Please do not confuse us with Americans, Russians or the British (footballers).

Oh look, another Canadian Supremacist. Come to rub your milk bags in our faces?/Oh, regarde, un autre pour la suprématie canadienne. Venez vous frotter les sacs de lait dans nos visages?

In accordance with Canadian law I have posted this in both French and English.

...please?

Still game?
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whoa, how about an NSFW tag there, chief?


/cow boobies
 
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