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2014-03-09 11:29:13 PM  

serial_crusher: Maybe people should focus on getting reasonable exercise regardless of other factors that make them fat.  Even if you don't get thinner, wouldn't it be great if you could walk up a flight of stairs without getting winded?  Lift your child off the ground to hug him?  Outrun a dangerous situation?


Except for running, which my joints & bones ain't up to anymore, those things are easy. As is walking the dogs 5 or 6 miles 3 or 4 times a week, sometimes more, till I got a tiny stress fracture under the ball of my foot that's been months in healing because the dogs need walking even only a mile at a time -- and to do that I have to walk 8/10 of a mile to her place and the same distance back. Rather than stay off it I'll stop when it starts to hurt, instead of taking two aspirin and going farther, because not walking isn't an option. Especially for the 1.5 year old feisty mutt: the cat doesn't want to play ALL the time, the old dog is too grumpy because she's breathing his air, and she's not allowed to wreck furniture. It's not like I'm immobile and I don't eat all that much even when I'm drunk.

Maybe a little motivation is in order, like a 25 year old Farkette to keep up with. EIP!
 
2014-03-09 11:30:27 PM  

serial_crusher: Maybe people should focus on getting reasonable exercise regardless of other factors that make them fat.  Even if you don't get thinner, wouldn't it be great if you could walk up a flight of stairs without getting winded?  Lift your child off the ground to hug him?  Outrun a dangerous situation?


People don't care about that shiat.  They want to look good naked.
 
2014-03-09 11:39:47 PM  

Mentat: Far Cough: xenophon10k: ReapTheChaos: Sorry but no. We're fat because we lead sedentary lifestyles and we eat more than our bodies burn in energy.

It's not rocket science people, stop trying to make excuses for it.

I'm so glad we have Dr. ReapTheChaos to set these namby pamby "scien-tists" straight and discredit their "re-search"

The scientists showed nothing to discredit calories in / calories out. And TFA is a light consumery gloss of various things; it's hardly to be taken seriously.

Fat people are still desperate for Yet Another Excuse to keep overeating. Bloggers and media and Fark Fat Apologists are eager to provide. It's metabolism, it's hormones, it's mysterious diseases, now it's that your poor widdle bacteria colony is too efficient. Farker please.

Stop comparing my metabolism and gut bacteria and shoe size to yours. It's a false distraction. If YOU take in fewer calories than YOU were before, then you will lose some body weight.

FEEL THE BURN!


I didn't say a word about increasing exercise, genius.
 
2014-03-09 11:44:27 PM  
thisispete:

The half hour daily walks I did probably had minimal effect.

Only half an hour a day? Slacker! I'll bet your excuse is that you're a normal person with a car, a job and kids; you know, a real life.

I could walk 20 miles a day if my feet could take it, and I'll walk for 3 or 4 hours a day again once my damn foot heals enough to walk 2 miles without laming up. Till late December it was nothing to walk to her place to get one dog, walk her for two hours, then walk the old one for whatever he's in the mood for, then walk a few miles and back to save $5 on liquor and $1 on bus fare (that's a bottle of 100 proof vodka right there!), and so on. Walking the earth, say at a leisurely 15 miles a day, sounds like fun.

But then I'm a pathetic loser with a sad, lonely & empty life. YMMV.
 
2014-03-09 11:46:34 PM  

CruJones: Has anyone ever found a fat person on subsisting on 1500 calories a day? Maybe something like this could make a 2-3% difference.

 

No, but I'd say 1500 calories a day is an unrealistic long term expectation for any non-short person to have to endure to maintain weight.  You may be right about 2-3%, but this could lead to treatments that those 2-3% of the fat population would really appreciate.

/been doing SOME 1500 calorie days to lose weight
//also had a hot brown last night
 
2014-03-09 11:49:43 PM  
ZombieApocalypseKitten:

People don't care about that shiat.  They want to look good naked.

I look great below the waist. Small ass, muscular legs, etc. etc. And from say the middle of my thorax up I don't look too bad either. It's this damn huge gut that throws me off. But then my face is hideous, so even at normal weight I won't be sexy, so why bother?

Why don't women just bag a guy's head and fark him anyway?
 
2014-03-10 12:03:05 AM  

Mentat: People are confusing understanding the processes with making excuses.


Exactly this.

There's probably a dozen or more factors behind this recent obesity epidemic. Some of it is obvious stuff like cheaper junk food and an unwillingness to let kids play outside, some of it is less obvious like better air conditioning (your body has to work less to stay at homeostasis, so it burns fewer calories) or, as it turns out, a lack of gut flora. Understanding that doesn't mean we're trying to make excuses for our fat asses.
 
2014-03-10 12:17:55 AM  

Gunther: Mentat: People are confusing understanding the processes with making excuses.

Exactly this.

There's probably a dozen or more factors behind this recent obesity epidemic. Some of it is obvious stuff like cheaper junk food and an unwillingness to let kids play outside, some of it is less obvious like better air conditioning (your body has to work less to stay at homeostasis, so it burns fewer calories) or, as it turns out, a lack of gut flora. Understanding that doesn't mean we're trying to make excuses for our fat asses.


Except that they're leapt on by at least some fat people and/or their enablers as excuses. Do you deny that? We've got a farker named Dolores who insists her mom eats incredibly healthily and modestly and yet is somehow so miraculously fat that her doctor prescribed weight loss surgery. She grasps at every possible pseudobiological excuse in these threads, as do many very overweight people (though by no means all).

Me, I just ate way too many chocolate covered almonds tonight. I highly recommend the Target house brand.
 
2014-03-10 12:38:47 AM  

Far Cough: Except that they're leapt on by at least some fat people and/or their enablers as excuses. Do you deny that?

 No, but I'm not sure how it's relevant to the discussion.
Sure, at the individual level one fat person can always stop being fat through a strict regime of diet and exercise. In much the same way, any poor person has the potential to stop being poor through a lot of hard work and gumption. That doesn't mean that we should refuse to examine the root causes for why people become fat or poor.
 
2014-03-10 12:43:57 AM  

Far Cough: Except that they're leapt on by at least some fat people and/or their enablers as excuses. Do you deny that? We've got a farker named Dolores who insists her mom eats incredibly healthily and modestly and yet is somehow so miraculously fat that her doctor prescribed weight loss surgery. She grasps at every possible pseudobiological excuse in these threads, as do many very overweight people (though by no means all).

Me, I just ate way too many chocolate covered almonds tonight. I highly recommend the Target house brand.


You seem really angry at fat people.
 
2014-03-10 01:32:56 AM  
Americans might be malnourished (you can be fat and malnourished) because their intestines are too clean. Need the bacteria to properly break down the foods.
 
2014-03-10 01:34:51 AM  

Mentat: serial_crusher: Maybe people should focus on getting reasonable exercise regardless of other factors that make them fat.  Even if you don't get thinner, wouldn't it be great if you could walk up a flight of stairs without getting winded?  Lift your child off the ground to hug him?  Outrun a dangerous situation?

People are confusing understanding the processes with making excuses.  Some people are content to see the world as a black box where something goes in and something comes out.  Others want to know what's happening inside the box, and it turns out to be extremely complex and interesting.  Some of the research has immediate practical health implications, other results are interesting in a "so that's what's going on" way.  For instance, it's been shown that taking antibiotics affects your entire microbiome, even that of your skin.  Considering the role of your microbiome in limiting opportunistic infections, that could turn out to be pretty important.  Another interesting result I've seen involves bacterial colonization of newborns, which shows the obvious in retrospect result of natural birth newborns being colonized by the mother's vaginal bacteria while C-section newborns are colonized by her skin bacteria.  Is that important?  Hard to say as the baby's microbiome eventually stabilizes no matter how it's born, but in those first few days it could turn out to be important.  This is the kind of stuff we're learning and we still don't know what's trivial but interesting and what will result in practical applications.


Well, since there appears to be some correlation between child obesity and C-sections, it might be important.
 
2014-03-10 01:38:57 AM  

The One True TheDavid: I could walk 20 miles a day if my feet could take it, and I'll walk for 3 or 4 hours a day again once my damn foot heals enough to walk 2 miles without laming up. Till late December it was nothing to walk to her place to get one dog, walk her for two hours, then walk the old one for whatever he's in the mood for, then walk a few miles and back to save $5 on liquor and $1 on bus fare (that's a bottle of 100 proof vodka right there!), and so on. Walking the earth, say at a leisurely 15 miles a day, sounds like fun.


I'm with you.  If I had the time, and the weather was always cooperative, I'd walk almost everywhere, including the 9 miles to campus.  Alas, I don't have hours to spare, and so I resort to taking MARTA or driving.

/I do walk to the grocery store
//and to the convenient store to stock up on Red Bull
///and to Walgreen's to get Pixie Stix
//// not fat
 
2014-03-10 01:43:08 AM  

CruJones: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mugato: But does that factor really affect weight that much? A difference in metabolism can really change the laws of physics?

It's not changing the laws of physics. If you expend more energy than you take in, you have to lose weight, but it doesn't necessarily follow that if you take in more energy than you expend you have to gain weight.

I can eat and eat and eat and not gain weight, even when I'm trying to. Other people, eating the same diet and exercising the same amount, might gain a significant amount of weight. The energy (calories) isn't destroyed when it goes into my body, it just goes into other things besides body mass (like poo). And we are finding out that the reason some people put on weight and some don't has a lot to do with gut bacteria.

Has anyone ever found a fat person on subsisting on 1500 calories a day? Maybe something like this could make a 2-3% difference.b


Yes. I have been tracking my  calories very closely lately. I don't drink soda except in the weekend, mostly cook myself with plenty of vegetables, barely eat any snacks or fast-food. I have found out what I have been expecting all my life, that I actually get less calories than most people around me, 1450 on average, and almost no day above 1900 unless I have some beers on a Friday. I have been overweight my whole life and at age 39 I am now 120kg or so. I have been to a doctor before and all they told me was to eat less. If I eat less than I already do, I'd have no energy left.
 
2014-03-10 01:53:18 AM  
If you can't walk up a single flight of stairs without huffing and puffing like you sprinted around a block, you are out of shape or elderly. If you happen to be over weight... you are a corpulent fat ass. Less than 2% of overweight people have a glandular disorder... even then they can work out and lose weight, stop you're farking excuses. People can't change the colour of their skin, their height, or their sexual orientation... you can change your eating habits, you fat ass pieces of shiat.
 
2014-03-10 01:56:52 AM  

bikkurikun: CruJones: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mugato: But does that factor really affect weight that much? A difference in metabolism can really change the laws of physics?

It's not changing the laws of physics. If you expend more energy than you take in, you have to lose weight, but it doesn't necessarily follow that if you take in more energy than you expend you have to gain weight.

I can eat and eat and eat and not gain weight, even when I'm trying to. Other people, eating the same diet and exercising the same amount, might gain a significant amount of weight. The energy (calories) isn't destroyed when it goes into my body, it just goes into other things besides body mass (like poo). And we are finding out that the reason some people put on weight and some don't has a lot to do with gut bacteria.

Has anyone ever found a fat person on subsisting on 1500 calories a day? Maybe something like this could make a 2-3% difference.b

Yes. I have been tracking my  calories very closely lately. I don't drink soda except in the weekend, mostly cook myself with plenty of vegetables, barely eat any snacks or fast-food. I have found out what I have been expecting all my life, that I actually get less calories than most people around me, 1450 on average, and almost no day above 1900 unless I have some beers on a Friday. I have been overweight my whole life and at age 39 I am now 120kg or so. I have been to a doctor before and all they told me was to eat less. If I eat less than I already do, I'd have no energy left.


Exercise is the other way to create a deficit.  No news there, I'm sure.

What might be news is that insulin is the hormone that directs the body to save calories as fat.
 
2014-03-10 01:57:59 AM  

Dallymo: Um, no.  I have been seeing an ad for Colon Flow on TV all day, and it assures me we all have pounds of poo in there, hanging around in all the nooks and crannies, toxifying us something fierce.

/Colon Flow.  No shiat.
//well...
///30,000 bowls


I love the print ads for products like that, with some doofus holding a stick with a blob of secret feces, looking all proud of themselves.
 
2014-03-10 02:05:42 AM  
jeffjo52 piece of shiat.

Farkied.
 
2014-03-10 02:08:43 AM  

bikkurikun: CruJones: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mugato: But does that factor really affect weight that much? A difference in metabolism can really change the laws of physics?

It's not changing the laws of physics. If you expend more energy than you take in, you have to lose weight, but it doesn't necessarily follow that if you take in more energy than you expend you have to gain weight.

I can eat and eat and eat and not gain weight, even when I'm trying to. Other people, eating the same diet and exercising the same amount, might gain a significant amount of weight. The energy (calories) isn't destroyed when it goes into my body, it just goes into other things besides body mass (like poo). And we are finding out that the reason some people put on weight and some don't has a lot to do with gut bacteria.

Has anyone ever found a fat person on subsisting on 1500 calories a day? Maybe something like this could make a 2-3% difference.b

Yes. I have been tracking my  calories very closely lately. I don't drink soda except in the weekend, mostly cook myself with plenty of vegetables, barely eat any snacks or fast-food. I have found out what I have been expecting all my life, that I actually get less calories than most people around me, 1450 on average, and almost no day above 1900 unless I have some beers on a Friday. I have been overweight my whole life and at age 39 I am now 120kg or so. I have been to a doctor before and all they told me was to eat less. If I eat less than I already do, I'd have no energy left.


"Barely eat snacks or fast food" Bull farking shiat. You eat crap 90% of the time and you know it. If you would take your ass out for a walk for a mile or two once a day, and watch your diet, you would lose weight. You are no different than a drug addict or alcoholic that denies their problem.

I would support you through your struggle if you were honest... most fat asses are lying sacks of shiat. I know, I was there... at one time 80 pounds over weight, took me 3 years to lose it.
 
2014-03-10 02:33:47 AM  
12349876:
//also had a hot brown last night

I just had a hot brown, myself. Empirical evidence indicates that my intestines are not too clean.
 
2014-03-10 03:07:40 AM  
 
2014-03-10 05:02:45 AM  
Maybe it's anthropogenic co2 in our atmosphere?
Or pirates!
 
2014-03-10 07:54:21 AM  

jeffjo52: bikkurikun: CruJones: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mugato: But does that factor really affect weight that much? A difference in metabolism can really change the laws of physics?

It's not changing the laws of physics. If you expend more energy than you take in, you have to lose weight, but it doesn't necessarily follow that if you take in more energy than you expend you have to gain weight.

I can eat and eat and eat and not gain weight, even when I'm trying to. Other people, eating the same diet and exercising the same amount, might gain a significant amount of weight. The energy (calories) isn't destroyed when it goes into my body, it just goes into other things besides body mass (like poo). And we are finding out that the reason some people put on weight and some don't has a lot to do with gut bacteria.

Has anyone ever found a fat person on subsisting on 1500 calories a day? Maybe something like this could make a 2-3% difference.b

Yes. I have been tracking my  calories very closely lately. I don't drink soda except in the weekend, mostly cook myself with plenty of vegetables, barely eat any snacks or fast-food. I have found out what I have been expecting all my life, that I actually get less calories than most people around me, 1450 on average, and almost no day above 1900 unless I have some beers on a Friday. I have been overweight my whole life and at age 39 I am now 120kg or so. I have been to a doctor before and all they told me was to eat less. If I eat less than I already do, I'd have no energy left.

"Barely eat snacks or fast food" Bull farking shiat. You eat crap 90% of the time and you know it. If you would take your ass out for a walk for a mile or two once a day, and watch your diet, you would lose weight. You are no different than a drug addict or alcoholic that denies their problem.

I would support you through your struggle if you were honest... most fat asses are lying sacks of shiat. I know, I was there... at one time 80 pounds over weight, took me ...


Christ, what an asshole.
 
2014-03-10 07:58:05 AM  

ReverendJasen: Mister Peejay: /need a toad or small dwarf living in your stomach

I hear tapeworms work wonders.


Where's my cookie?
 
2014-03-10 08:27:24 AM  

jdjoker: ReverendJasen: Mister Peejay: /need a toad or small dwarf living in your stomach

I hear tapeworms work wonders.

Where's my cookie?


*grabs  jdjokerand pulls him out*
 
2014-03-10 08:55:26 AM  
Just grab a handful of dirt and eat it. No need for a fecal transplant.
 
2014-03-10 09:37:57 AM  

Mentat: There's something to that.  We're learning a lot about the gut microbiome.  There's evidence that reason some people are obese is because their gut bacteria are too efficient at metabolism.  There's also some links to autism and the gut.  Very exciting field of research right now.


Exciting? I hear it stinks.
 
2014-03-10 09:38:50 AM  

Far Cough: Gunther: Mentat: People are confusing understanding the processes with making excuses.

Exactly this.

There's probably a dozen or more factors behind this recent obesity epidemic. Some of it is obvious stuff like cheaper junk food and an unwillingness to let kids play outside, some of it is less obvious like better air conditioning (your body has to work less to stay at homeostasis, so it burns fewer calories) or, as it turns out, a lack of gut flora. Understanding that doesn't mean we're trying to make excuses for our fat asses.

Except that they're leapt on by at least some fat people and/or their enablers as excuses. Do you deny that? We've got a farker named Dolores who insists her mom eats incredibly healthily and modestly and yet is somehow so miraculously fat that her doctor prescribed weight loss surgery. She grasps at every possible pseudobiological excuse in these threads, as do many very overweight people (though by no means all).

Me, I just ate way too many chocolate covered almonds tonight. I highly recommend the Target house brand.


So what you are saying is that someone who, to the best of your knowledge, is doing what they are supposed to do without success might be willing to jump on any new research that might help them? Why exactly does that make them assholes?

Excuses are for when you know better and don't do anything about it. Some people, being people, will use anything as an excuse. That doesn't invalidate research in this area.

The obesity epidemic is being caused first and formost by people fundamentally not understanding how to keep their body systems balanced. On a basic level calories in/out is the primary determinant, but we already know with absolute certainty that some humans can take in a lot more calories than others and not get fat. We also know there are a significant number of biological issues can affect the need for calories and the efficiency with witch they are stored or burned. On top of all that there are psychological issues that may need to be dealt with.

Remember that humans, while being the same species, are highly variable within that species. Where a daily 30 minute walk and 2,000 calories might be the perfect balance for one person, another may need an hour run. This research may be finding the reasons behind these differences. Understanding the nuances of how the human body processes energy can only be a good thing.
 
2014-03-10 10:14:35 AM  

Boudyro: Far Cough: Gunther: Mentat: People are confusing understanding the processes with making excuses.

Exactly this.

There's probably a dozen or more factors behind this recent obesity epidemic. Some of it is obvious stuff like cheaper junk food and an unwillingness to let kids play outside, some of it is less obvious like better air conditioning (your body has to work less to stay at homeostasis, so it burns fewer calories) or, as it turns out, a lack of gut flora. Understanding that doesn't mean we're trying to make excuses for our fat asses.

Except that they're leapt on by at least some fat people and/or their enablers as excuses. Do you deny that? We've got a farker named Dolores who insists her mom eats incredibly healthily and modestly and yet is somehow so miraculously fat that her doctor prescribed weight loss surgery. She grasps at every possible pseudobiological excuse in these threads, as do many very overweight people (though by no means all).

Me, I just ate way too many chocolate covered almonds tonight. I highly recommend the Target house brand.

So what you are saying is that someone who, to the best of your knowledge, is doing what they are supposed to do without success might be willing to jump on any new research that might help them? Why exactly does that make them assholes?

Excuses are for when you know better and don't do anything about it. Some people, being people, will use anything as an excuse. That doesn't invalidate research in this area.

The obesity epidemic is being caused first and formost by people fundamentally not understanding how to keep their body systems balanced. On a basic level calories in/out is the primary determinant, but we already know with absolute certainty that some humans can take in a lot more calories than others and not get fat. We also know there are a significant number of biological issues can affect the need for calories and the efficiency with witch they are stored or burned. On top of all that there are ...


No, they aren't doing what they're supposed to do.  My implication was that they are lying to themselves and their families, as it seems physically impossible to eat that little, still be alive, and still be 100 pounds overweight after a year or so.  (Not counting fluid weight.)  See the extensive studies of Dr. Gregory House, M.D. regarding the reliability of patient self-reporting.

I did NOT call anyone an asshole, just sad and deluded.  I sympathize with people like bikkurikun, and it's always possible I'm quite wrong.  It just seems impossible to eat that mentioned 1500 calorie diet long-term and still have 100 pounds of fat on one's body.

Of COURSE all the research is welcome.  If current practices are harmful then it would good to know it.  Anybody who loves food would welcome the opportunity to know how to enjoy as much of it as possible while navigating health and slimness.  But the downside is that some morbidly obese people will just view it as some other miracle to wait for, and continue to avoid cutting down their intake.  That's not healthy.

/know very fat people, including close friends and family
/none came out of the womb and into childhood carrying 100 extra pounds
/hate that they are killing themselves
/diabeetus is nearly a given and greeted with yawns
 
2014-03-10 01:41:48 PM  

jeffjo52: "Barely eat snacks or fast food" Bull farking shiat. You eat crap 90% of the time and you know it. If you would take your ass out for a walk for a mile or two once a day, and watch your diet, you would lose weight. You are no different than a drug addict or alcoholic that denies their problem.

I would support you through your struggle if you were honest... most fat asses are lying sacks of shiat. I know, I was there... at one time 80 pounds over weight, took me 3 years to lose it.



I can buy it. My MIL, who owns a health food store, has a great diet: everything made from scratch, nothing processed.   She eats tons of fruits and vegetables, never touches soda.    She makes a great variety of foods, but not of it is deep-fat fried, for example.

Oh, and she doesn't snack or binge.

Her diet is the epitome of a healthy diet.  No farker here could find fault with it.

And yet she can't get her weight below 200 pounds.

She walks.  She does yoga three times a week.  The weight doesn't come off.   Never had, and apparently never will.   She's been stuck at the same weight for twenty something years now.
 
2014-03-10 02:03:23 PM  

Mugato: But does that factor really affect weight that much? A difference in metabolism can really change the laws of physics?


It's called accounting for all the variables.

You are operating on the assumption that metabolic efficiency is a universal constant.   It's not.  It's not even constant for one person.   If your metabolic system is 50% efficient in extracting energy from the food you eat, and another person's is 75% efficient, the other person can eat less than you do, be more active than you are, and still gain weight.
 
2014-03-10 02:56:18 PM  

FizixJunkee: jeffjo52: "Barely eat snacks or fast food" Bull farking shiat. You eat crap 90% of the time and you know it. If you would take your ass out for a walk for a mile or two once a day, and watch your diet, you would lose weight. You are no different than a drug addict or alcoholic that denies their problem.

I would support you through your struggle if you were honest... most fat asses are lying sacks of shiat. I know, I was there... at one time 80 pounds over weight, took me 3 years to lose it.


I can buy it. My MIL, who owns a health food store, has a great diet: everything made from scratch, nothing processed.   She eats tons of fruits and vegetables, never touches soda.     She makes a great variety of foods, but not of it is deep-fat fried, for example.

Oh, and she doesn't snack or binge.

Her diet is the epitome of a healthy diet.  No farker here could find fault with it.

And yet she can't get her weight below 200 pounds.

She walks.  She does yoga three times a week.  The weight doesn't come off.   Never had, and apparently never will.   She's been stuck at the same weight for twenty something years now.


Just bolding the obvious ("tons" of fruits and vegetables are not exempt from caloric impact).  You say she doesn't "binge" but it's pretty clear she overeats for her particular metabolism.  Glad she's otherwise healthy though.
 
2014-03-10 02:57:56 PM  

FizixJunkee: jeffjo52: "Barely eat snacks or fast food" Bull farking shiat. You eat crap 90% of the time and you know it. If you would take your ass out for a walk for a mile or two once a day, and watch your diet, you would lose weight. You are no different than a drug addict or alcoholic that denies their problem.

I would support you through your struggle if you were honest... most fat asses are lying sacks of shiat. I know, I was there... at one time 80 pounds over weight, took me 3 years to lose it.


I can buy it. My MIL, who owns a health food store, has a great diet: everything made from scratch, nothing processed.   She eats tons of fruits and vegetables, never touches soda.    She makes a great variety of foods, but not of it is deep-fat fried, for example.

Oh, and she doesn't snack or binge.

Her diet is the epitome of a healthy diet.  No farker here could find fault with it.

And yet she can't get her weight below 200 pounds.

She walks.  She does yoga three times a week.  The weight doesn't come off.   Never had, and apparently never will.   She's been stuck at the same weight for twenty something years now.


The quality of food isn't the problem, it's the amount of it.

I struggle with weight loss myself. All TDEE calculators suggest eating 2700 calories a day to MAINTAIN given my age and activity level. I didn't stay losing weight until I dropped below 2000 calories a day.

I have no doubt people are variable. Sometimes that means experimenting with different intake levels to see what works for you. But in the end, the weight does come off.
 
2014-03-10 03:00:54 PM  

bikkurikun: CruJones: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mugato: But does that factor really affect weight that much? A difference in metabolism can really change the laws of physics?

It's not changing the laws of physics. If you expend more energy than you take in, you have to lose weight, but it doesn't necessarily follow that if you take in more energy than you expend you have to gain weight.

I can eat and eat and eat and not gain weight, even when I'm trying to. Other people, eating the same diet and exercising the same amount, might gain a significant amount of weight. The energy (calories) isn't destroyed when it goes into my body, it just goes into other things besides body mass (like poo). And we are finding out that the reason some people put on weight and some don't has a lot to do with gut bacteria.

Has anyone ever found a fat person on subsisting on 1500 calories a day? Maybe something like this could make a 2-3% difference.b

Yes. I have been tracking my  calories very closely lately. I don't drink soda except in the weekend, mostly cook myself with plenty of vegetables, barely eat any snacks or fast-food. I have found out what I have been expecting all my life, that I actually get less calories than most people around me, 1450 on average, and almost no day above 1900 unless I have some beers on a Friday. I have been overweight my whole life and at age 39 I am now 120kg or so. I have been to a doctor before and all they told me was to eat less. If I eat less than I already do, I'd have no energy left.


This is actually completely impossible.  All of it.  The numbers AND the doctor's advice.
 
2014-03-10 03:16:45 PM  

RowYourBoat: This is actually completely impossible. All of it. The numbers AND the doctor's advice.


Whoa, I didn't do the metric conversion earlier.  265 pounds on 1450 calories a day?  It's magic fat!  Seriously, just breathing and blood pumping through the day has to burn nearly that much.   Walk 2 blocks and you're in deficit.  What is he, an amoeba?

I do wonder what the lowest sustainable human metabolism would be -- gotta be coma patients, right?  Or  some kind of hibernating mammal.
 
2014-03-10 03:41:20 PM  

Far Cough: RowYourBoat: This is actually completely impossible. All of it. The numbers AND the doctor's advice.

Whoa, I didn't do the metric conversion earlier.  265 pounds on 1450 calories a day?  It's magic fat!  Seriously, just breathing and blood pumping through the day has to burn nearly that much.   Walk 2 blocks and you're in deficit.  What is he, an amoeba?

I do wonder what the lowest sustainable human metabolism would be -- gotta be coma patients, right?  Or  some kind of hibernating mammal.


Hmm, apparently even in an induced coma the normal basal metabolic rate is not drastically reduced.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23963523

Conclusion: overweight people lie to themselves.
 
2014-03-10 04:23:07 PM  

reported: fusillade762: I just eat my cat's poop every now and again.

I did not know that dogs had sufficient dexterity to post comments on the internets. Good boy! But please avoid the Politics tab lest you lose your faith in humanity.


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Cats on the other hand.

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2014-03-10 07:12:22 PM  

Far Cough: RowYourBoat: This is actually completely impossible. All of it. The numbers AND the doctor's advice.

Whoa, I didn't do the metric conversion earlier.  265 pounds on 1450 calories a day?  It's magic fat!  Seriously, just breathing and blood pumping through the day has to burn nearly that much.   Walk 2 blocks and you're in deficit.  What is he, an amoeba?

I do wonder what the lowest sustainable human metabolism would be -- gotta be coma patients, right?  Or  some kind of hibernating mammal.


BMR is a median number. But I'm certain you have a PhD in this and you're advancing the field of biology further rather than thinking the human body is a simple machine that follows basic equations.
 
2014-03-10 07:13:24 PM  
Yeah, I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with us being lazy farks while guzzling sodas and gobbling Big Macs all day.
 
2014-03-10 07:23:23 PM  

escheff3: Yeah, I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with us being lazy farks while guzzling sodas and gobbling Big Macs all day.


I'll have you know that I do not gobble Big Macs all day.  I take regular time-outs in order to spank yon monkey, which is hard to do with a burger in your hand.

/wait, I have TWO hands, this changes EVERYTHING!
/(sfx: simultaneous eating and fapping)
 
2014-03-10 07:44:39 PM  

Far Cough: RowYourBoat: This is actually completely impossible. All of it. The numbers AND the doctor's advice.

Whoa, I didn't do the metric conversion earlier.  265 pounds on 1450 calories a day?  It's magic fat!  Seriously, just breathing and blood pumping through the day has to burn nearly that much.


No.

For some, it's fairly easy to slip into a mode where the body absorbs all the fat it can instead of letting it go to "waste".

That's probably his problem, most of his calories in one sitting.  That'll kick the body into that mode(along with stress in general), simulating starvation.  Probably doesn't poo much in comparison to what he eats on top of a somewhat sedentary lifestyle/deskjob.  Live in that mode long enough and it becomes extremely difficult to get out of that mode.

Sure, excercise could help, in theory.  But if you're still taking one meal a day, your body still thinks bad times are coming so you keep storing the calories, but your poo shrinks, you utilize more of what you eat.

Even at three meals a day that can happen.  Near everyone I went to basic training with, over six weeks, had drastically reduced poop frequency and mass. Dry and hard rabbit turds.

This is how the atkins diet works when you stick with it(whether it's healthy or not is for some other thread).  It stops you from consuming calories in an attempt to force your body to begin burning it's reserves.

Sometimes it just really really doesn't want to give up those reserves.  This is the tiredness that dieters of many varieties have a problem coping with.  Sure a lot of people end up giving up prematurely, some cheat, and some don't practice a given diet correctly, but some really try, over weeks / months, and just can't get their body working right.

Metabolism is not some universal and easily manipulable thing for everyone.  The human body is a very complex system.

/then again it's painfully obvious you're utterly naive on the subject and/or trolling because it makes you hard
 
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