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(Chattanooga Times Free Press)   Bryan College faculty, students and alumni fight back against the policy requiring faculty and staff to sign a document stating they believe the Genesis story of creation   (timesfreepress.com) divider line 101
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2014-03-09 01:48:06 PM
What is with the overarching need to force others to affirm their faith?

I really don't understand it. For a long time I thought it was just a secular power grab, but there is something deeper going on here.
 
2014-03-09 01:49:52 PM
tallhorsewines.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-09 01:55:08 PM
I have a problem with this on two levels: first, no place that believes in creationism to the exclusion of evolution should be allowed to offer "science" courses (or be called a college for that matter), but
Secondly--these people knew what type of place they signed up to work/teach/learn at. Why is the Adam and Eve clause such a deal breaker. If you don't like the clarification of an already utterly ridiculous stance and set of values, go elsewhere. There will be plenty of other places that aren't so stupid. And there will be plenty of stupid to keep that travesty going strong.

I mean seriously, it is named after the guy who prosecuted Scopes!! WTF do you expect from these morans?
 
2014-03-09 01:59:05 PM

MFAWG: What is with the overarching need to force others to affirm their faith?

I really don't understand it. For a long time I thought it was just a secular power grab, but there is something deeper going on here.


The only way to preserve religious freedom is to force it on everyone else.
 
2014-03-09 01:59:43 PM
Brilliant way to unite the campus and faculty...
 
2014-03-09 02:12:31 PM
Bryan College?

www.wrestlinglol.com
 
2014-03-09 02:34:22 PM
Makes sense...what better way to convince people of the Truth?  Just like loyalty oaths deter espionage.

*eyeroll*
 
2014-03-09 03:05:52 PM
You know who else demanded thoughtless unswavering loyalty?
 
2014-03-09 03:10:53 PM
i915.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-09 03:11:31 PM

Marcus Aurelius: You know who else demanded thoughtless unswavering loyalty?


Debbie.
 
2014-03-09 04:36:06 PM

Marcus Aurelius: You know who else demanded thoughtless unswavering loyalty?


God?

/unswavering?
 
2014-03-09 04:43:10 PM
Papers, please.
 
2014-03-09 04:59:05 PM

MFAWG: What is with the overarching need to force others to affirm their faith?

I really don't understand it. For a long time I thought it was just a secular power grab, but there is something deeper going on here.


Doubt eats at them. They are looking for affirmation in the numbers who believe like them.

It's the only logical ploy for those who believe it's wrong or right, yes or no, them versus us, good against evil, etc.
 
2014-03-09 05:00:30 PM
So what? It's not a legally binding document. Sign the f*cking thing, big deal. No one cares anyway. Bryan College is just doing this for one single reason: to "teach the controversy". This is actually a very hopeful sign: the xians are being forced to this level of desperation in their pathetic attempts to keep their obsolete and childish cult newsworthy. What would Jesus do? He'd give the f*ck up. Go clam yo tits, Bryan College.
 
2014-03-09 05:00:42 PM
I'll sign

I don't agree with forcing others to though, to each their own.
 
2014-03-09 05:03:23 PM
Why not shut up and sign? Doesn't mean it will actually Change what you believe... Oh wait, we're talking about Christians? Maybe it does.
 
2014-03-09 05:05:30 PM
Lulz. If you like your job, sign it. Good luck getting another teaching job with Bryant College on your resume.
 
2014-03-09 05:05:40 PM
lack of institutional control, budget was secret, decreases in enrollment, top heavy in administration, neglect for body, poor financial management ... authoritarian leadership style -- alienated faculty, students, cabinet members.

Yep, sounds conservative to me.
 
2014-03-09 05:06:04 PM
Bryan University is a private entity and what they choose to do is none of our goddamn business.

People need to learn how to mind their own goddamn business.

Don't want to sign it? Then leave.
Why would you want to continue pursuing a career or degree at this university if you didn't believe that anyway?
 
2014-03-09 05:06:33 PM

Kittypie070: Papers, please.


img1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-09 05:07:02 PM
The problem isn't the wording of the affirmation of faith, it's the fact a notionally academic institution has an affirmation of faith. Once you promise to limit your answers to those your employees find convenient, you're not doing research, you're doing propaganda work.
 
2014-03-09 05:07:17 PM

MFAWG: What is with the overarching need to force others to affirm their faith?

I really don't understand it. For a long time I thought it was just a secular power grab, but there is something deeper going on here.


They are so insecure in their own beliefs that they need to FEEL like everyone else agrees with them.  Its the same reason that they strongly encourage the young people to date and marry others within the same belief group.
 
2014-03-09 05:07:34 PM

thamike: Marcus Aurelius: You know who else demanded thoughtless unswavering loyalty?

Debbie.


blogs.villagevoice.com
 
2014-03-09 05:08:32 PM
Of all the places that that evolution MIGHT be questioned, it would seem that the college named for William Jennings Bryan would be the place.  That's kinda like Lou Gehrig not realizing his chances of catching that disease.
 
2014-03-09 05:10:36 PM

Hoarseman: lack of institutional control, budget was secret, decreases in enrollment, top heavy in administration, neglect for body, poor financial management ... authoritarian leadership style -- alienated faculty, students, cabinet members.

Yep, sounds conservative to me.


Much like how an apple and an orange both come from trees? It sounds fascist to me.
 
2014-03-09 05:10:48 PM

Twitch Boy: Kittypie070: Papers, please.

[img1.wikia.nocookie.net image 391x487]


Kobrastan not real country.

NEXT.
 
2014-03-09 05:11:14 PM
Meh, all universities make their staff and students sign away their rights.  How is this any worse?
 
2014-03-09 05:11:17 PM

Deedeemarz: I have a problem with this on two levels: first, no place that believes in creationism to the exclusion of evolution should be allowed to offer "science" courses (or be called a college for that matter), but
Secondly--these people knew what type of place they signed up to work/teach/learn at. Why is the Adam and Eve clause such a deal breaker. If you don't like the clarification of an already utterly ridiculous stance and set of values, go elsewhere. There will be plenty of other places that aren't so stupid. And there will be plenty of stupid to keep that travesty going strong.

I mean seriously, it is named after the guy who prosecuted Scopes!! WTF do you expect from these morans?


You say this as if it's a breeze to get a tenure track job.

They also might feel MORE responsibility to teach science in this kind of institution rather than leave it in the hands of creationists.
 
2014-03-09 05:11:19 PM

Stephen_Falken: So what? It's not a legally binding document. Sign the f*cking thing, big deal. No one cares anyway. Bryan College is just doing this for one single reason: to "teach the controversy". This is actually a very hopeful sign: the xians are being forced to this level of desperation in their pathetic attempts to keep their obsolete and childish cult newsworthy. What would Jesus do? He'd give the f*ck up. Go clam yo tits, Bryan College.


bangmaid: Why not shut up and sign? Doesn't mean it will actually Change what you believe... Oh wait, we're talking about Christians? Maybe it does.


It's like this. If you sign your self up for treatment at a mental facility, the Government automatically believes you are unstable, especially if you are being prosecuted for something.
Why do you want to sign a form to show you are crazy?
 
2014-03-09 05:11:35 PM
Deedeemarz: I mean seriously, it is named after the guy who prosecuted Scopes!! WTF do you expect from these morans?

These people inherited the wind.  Too bad it was broken.
 
2014-03-09 05:13:50 PM

Twitch Boy: Kittypie070: Papers, please.

[img1.wikia.nocookie.net image 391x487]


Looks legit.  Even pre-approved!  Who doesn't trust the works of Cobrastan's capital city of Bestburg?
 
2014-03-09 05:14:57 PM
I'd respond by asking them WHICH creation story in Genesis they want me to believe.

wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com

That's why I had such trouble with the Bible. You couldn't get to chapter 2 without a complete retcon of previous events.
 
2014-03-09 05:16:31 PM

foo monkey: Lulz. If you like your job, sign it. Good luck getting another teaching job with Bryant College on your resume.


Please don't confuse Bryan College, the institution in the story, with  Bryant University, which was known as Bryant College prior to 2004. Bryant University is located in Rhode Island and has, as far as I could find out, no religious affiliation.  (No, I'm not a Bryant University alumnus, but a friend of mine from high school went there.)
 
2014-03-09 05:18:29 PM
Oath making at a Jesus college? Really? More proof people don't read past the first few chapters.

As a used book dealer I see that a lot. Did you know that 95% of copies of Rushdie's Satanic Verses haven't been cracked past the first chapter? Most thrift store copies of Fox News talking head books haven't even been opened, although plenty have that chewed on look.
 
2014-03-09 05:20:33 PM

Marcus Aurelius: You know who else demanded thoughtless unswavering loyalty?


Your country does, citizen! Love it or leave it, you dirty commie!

/or dirty anti-commie, depending on your location.
 
2014-03-09 05:26:13 PM
Well I hope the people who wouldn't sign have been properly burned at the stake.
 
2014-03-09 05:26:57 PM
There is no stupid like Jesus Stupid.
 
2014-03-09 05:29:08 PM

Deedeemarz: I have a problem with this on two levels: first, no place that believes in creationism to the exclusion of evolution should be allowed to offer "science" courses (or be called a college for that matter), but
Secondly--these people knew what type of place they signed up to work/teach/learn at. Why is the Adam and Eve clause such a deal breaker. If you don't like the clarification of an already utterly ridiculous stance and set of values, go elsewhere. There will be plenty of other places that aren't so stupid. And there will be plenty of stupid to keep that travesty going strong.

I mean seriously, it is named after the guy who prosecuted Scopes!! WTF do you expect from these morans?


I went to a bible college in Tennessee. The science courses were taught by scientists and the religion courses were taught by bible scholars. The school didn't normally try to tread on individual student beliefs (there were a few 'young earth' types in the student body), but one of them pushed a prof's buttons with that nonsense once, and the professor proceeded to give a detailed, scathing rebuttal to Bishop Ussher's nonsense. So no, religious-based school does not equal looney.
 
2014-03-09 05:29:28 PM

MFAWG: What is with the overarching need to force others to affirm their faith?

I really don't understand it. For a long time I thought it was just a secular power grab, but there is something deeper going on here.


Christian Dominionism and End-Times Worship.

These people legitimately believe they will be the Soldiers of Christ at Armageddon. Hince their desire to be in as many positions of power as they can get into.

Most people see "Left Behind" as a trashy novel series written by a fundie asshole. (No, I mean it. I've met the guy. He's an asshole.). These people see it as a prophecy.
 
2014-03-09 05:29:43 PM
Must be a fundie, that blazer looks so "off the rack."
 
2014-03-09 05:32:01 PM
I need you to believe in my God because the only reason I'm into this shiat to begin with is to meet people.
 
2014-03-09 05:32:58 PM
You know what would be cool? Set up a Star Fleet Academy College, and make the faculty sign an oath that Star Trek totes happened...

Please remember there are loons on the left AND right.
 
2014-03-09 05:34:23 PM

Mad_Radhu: That's why I had such trouble with the Bible. You couldn't get to chapter 2 without a complete retcon of previous events.


Chapter 2 was a reboot of Chapter 1 to boost sales. Chapter 1 is no longer considered cannon in the current timeline.
 
2014-03-09 05:35:44 PM

geekbikerskum: foo monkey: Lulz. If you like your job, sign it. Good luck getting another teaching job with Bryant College on your resume.

Please don't confuse Bryan College, the institution in the story, with  Bryant University, which was known as Bryant College prior to 2004. Bryant University is located in Rhode Island and has, as far as I could find out, no religious affiliation.  (No, I'm not a Bryant University alumnus, but a friend of mine from high school went there.)


Also not to be confused with Bryan Boilers, a Peru, Indiana based manufacturer of water-tube boilers. (No, I'm not a Bryan Steam employee, but my grandfather retires from there.)

www.bryanboilers.com
 
2014-03-09 05:36:22 PM

BalugaJoe: [tallhorsewines.files.wordpress.com image 600x400]


Well played, sir, well played indeed.
 
2014-03-09 05:37:38 PM

mark12A: You know what would be cool? Set up a Star Fleet Academy College, and make the faculty sign an oath that Star Trek totes happened...

Please remember there are loons on the left AND right.


Hey, speaking of Star Trek, they had a GREAT picture to analogize what you're doing.

static.tvtropes.org
 
2014-03-09 05:37:48 PM

Mad_Radhu: I'd respond by asking them WHICH creation story in Genesis they want me to believe.

[wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 594x572]

That's why I had such trouble with the Bible. You couldn't get to chapter 2 without a complete retcon of previous events.


Hmm, you could explain it by saying it was told out of order, and that the time unit of a "day" was different for the big guy upstairs.

Kind of like how you can speed things up in The Sims games or slow them to a crawl, and over a period of days in your life, make a grand masterpiece, but it's only a few if you rarely unpause and  oh my god

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-09 05:39:22 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mad_Radhu: That's why I had such trouble with the Bible. You couldn't get to chapter 2 without a complete retcon of previous events.

Chapter 2 was a reboot of Chapter 1 to boost sales. Chapter 1 is no longer considered cannon in the current timeline.


The Amazing Spider-God?
 
2014-03-09 05:39:24 PM

Pichu0102: Kind of like how you can speed things up in The Sims games or slow them to a crawl, and over a period of days in your life, make a grand masterpiece, but it's only a few if you rarely unpause and  oh my god


What if we're just pawns in a gigantic CIvilization V game?
 
2014-03-09 05:46:33 PM

MFAWG: What is with the overarching need to force others to affirm their faith?

I really don't understand it. For a long time I thought it was just a secular power grab, but there is something deeper going on here.


Did you perhaps mean nonsecular?
 
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