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(Salon)   Student group named 'Kardinal Kink' applies for group status at Stanford. Rejection response asks for "clarity about your group's hoped for activities." Header photo should clear that up   ( salon.com) divider line
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2014-03-09 10:55:15 AM  
So a class for Faux Kink?

College kids, what won't they fark up next?
 
2014-03-09 11:07:04 AM  
Stanford: "So, just reassure us that when you say "explore kink", you're not having sex as part of your group's mission, and if you are that you're not going to suffocate or injure someone."

Students: " How DARE they! Discrimination! [civil-rightsy-sounding bafflegab] THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!"


snocone: So a class for Faux Kink?

College kids, what won't they fark up next?


Yeah - they probably would have gotten more traction if they called it the "Awkward Sexual Experimentation Club".
 
2014-03-09 11:11:59 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Stanford: "So, just reassure us that when you say "explore kink", you're not having sex as part of your group's mission, and if you are that you're not going to suffocate or injure someone."

Students: " How DARE they! Discrimination! [civil-rightsy-sounding bafflegab] THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!"


Pretty much, sounds like the school is OK with in it on general principals and just wants to make sure that nobody gets hurt and that they're not liable if it happens.
 
2014-03-09 11:24:28 AM  
Oooooh. Shibari.
 
2014-03-09 11:29:49 AM  

snocone: So a class for Faux Kink?

College kids, what won't they fark up next?


I bet you complain that "kids these days are ruining everything" because some teenager wearing a t-shirt from Hot Topic doesn't listen to the same obscure punk rock bands that you do. Lighten up Francis.
 
2014-03-09 11:39:18 AM  
When asked why they weren't surprised by the rejection, Lily Z., the club's president, explained in an email, "We're not surprised by the culture we live in. Our society is a place where kink is expected to be rejected, expected to be pushed back down when it comes up - and Stanford is no exception."

Yeah? Like the mainstream acceptance of 50 Shades of Grey? Or pop songs with choruses such as "whips and chains excite me?" Oh, yes, kinksters are soooooo oppressed.

In short: You're seeing oppression where there is none (for another example, see "the war on Christianity"). Blame it on sociiiiiiiety. Help, help, I'm being repressed!
Therefore please shut your yap, you self-important clown.
 
2014-03-09 12:04:36 PM  

TwistedIvory: When asked why they weren't surprised by the rejection, Lily Z., the club's president, explained in an email, "We're not surprised by the culture we live in. Our society is a place where kink is expected to be rejected, expected to be pushed back down when it comes up - and Stanford is no exception."

Yeah? Like the mainstream acceptance of 50 Shades of Grey? Or pop songs with choruses such as "whips and chains excite me?" Oh, yes, kinksters are soooooo oppressed.

In short: You're seeing oppression where there is none (for another example, see "the war on Christianity"). Blame it on sociiiiiiiety. Help, help, I'm being repressed!
Therefore please shut your yap, you self-important clown.


Easy. They like that kind of talk.
 
2014-03-09 12:09:36 PM  

hardinparamedic: Oooooh. Shibari.


And I'm sure they all look like that, too.
 
2014-03-09 12:25:35 PM  
Who gets the video rights?
 
2014-03-09 12:26:39 PM  

Voiceofreason01: snocone: So a class for Faux Kink?

College kids, what won't they fark up next?

I bet you complain that "kids these days are ruining everything" because some teenager wearing a t-shirt from Hot Topic doesn't listen to the same obscure punk rock bands that you do. Lighten up Francis.



NO
 
2014-03-09 12:26:54 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: "Awkward Sexual Experimentation Club".


That's called college...
 
2014-03-09 01:21:10 PM  
Pretty common actually for Kink Klub applications, they either forgot to fill out the Safeword section of the application, were unwilling to clean the Dean's boot with their wormy unworthy slave tongues, or the campus dungeon didn't accept Whiner's Club.
 
2014-03-09 01:23:17 PM  

TwistedIvory: Yeah? Like the mainstream acceptance of 50 Shades of Grey? Or pop songs with choruses such as "whips and chains excite me?" Oh, yes, kinksters are soooooo oppressed.


The fact that millions of sexually repressed housewives bought a over-hyped harlequin romance novel so they could masturbate to an abusive, strawman Dominant doesn't equate mainstream acceptance.

TwistedIvory: In short: You're seeing oppression where there is none (for another example, see "the war on Christianity"). Blame it on sociiiiiiiety. Help, help, I'm being repressed!
Therefore please shut your yap, you self-important clown.


Actually, there is quite a bit. Many states still have laws on the book that equate consensual kink and physical play with abuse. Play groups often become targets of police prostitution stings, even though no money is exchanged, and even many expressly forbid sexual play on their club grounds. Many people still think that those into BDSM (Hint: Not everyone likes whips and chains.) are somehow mentally diseased, broken, or even equate them with pedophiles out of some insane troll logic. Outing someone as a kinkster is considered verboten in the BDSM community, because they can face professional and public consequences for their private actions, including losing their job - or in some cases - even their state-issued licenses for their profession.

It's worse in the LGBT leather community. Not only do you have the issue of being outed as a kinkster to worry about, in some cases being outed can put your life in danger depending on where you live.

Therefor, people who have no idea what they're talking about shouldn't open up their mouths about other people's lifestyles, lest they look like an utter fool.

Benevolent Misanthrope: And I'm sure they all look like that, too.


And if they don't? Who cares. I have better things in life to do than play the fashion police. Whatever makes you feel important in life, bro.

Also:

i39.tinypic.com
 
2014-03-09 01:28:28 PM  

hardinparamedic: Benevolent Misanthrope: And I'm sure they all look like that, too.

And if they don't? Who cares. I have better things in life to do than play the fashion police. Whatever makes you feel important in life, bro.

Also:

[i39.tinypic.com image 500x395]


Just noting that, while lovely, their advertising is obviously aimed at the Soft-Core Porn Aficionados Club.  Tons of frat boys will show up looking for the girl in the advert and be sorely disappointed.  Which amuses me.
 
2014-03-09 01:30:05 PM  
Hardly ironic, but certainly poetic that we have a society of kink dilatants.

Most "real" kinks don't go shopping around in the kink kloset because they are bored.
 
2014-03-09 01:38:49 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Just noting that, while lovely, their advertising is obviously aimed at the Soft-Core Porn Aficionados Club.  Tons of frat boys will show up looking for the girl in the advert and be sorely disappointed.  Which amuses me.


Highly doubt that. Many kink clubs and play groups are pretty exclusive - to the point of having people sign media releases if they want to use pics of them in releases like this, or making people sign NDAs. The average frat boy mentality wouldn't pass. This isn't a strip club or exhibition we're talking about. I know our local group goes so far as to have people who are not sponsored by a current member pay for their own background check before they're allowed to attend under a probationary period.

To be honest, what do you think goes on when groups like this meet? Most of the time it's people drinking coffee and talking about kink, or having a dinner together and having fun. It's not an all-out farkfest like porn would have you to believe.
 
2014-03-09 01:39:09 PM  
www.dancingmonica.com
 
2014-03-09 01:42:14 PM  
i253.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-09 01:48:53 PM  
real_headhoncho:

Exactly where my mind went.

Although it was Hogan that had the kink.
 
2014-03-09 01:50:52 PM  
Macrame?

Seriously, if it is safe, sane, and consensual it's better than ROTC, whose future engagements post academia will be none of the above.
 
2014-03-09 01:55:03 PM  
No one expect the Spanish incision!
 
2014-03-09 01:56:06 PM  
pulmyears.files.wordpress.com

What the Kardinal Kink might look like.
 
2014-03-09 01:56:20 PM  
unf
 
2014-03-09 01:56:44 PM  
Rich, white Troll problems.
 
2014-03-09 01:59:30 PM  
Um... they weren't rejected, subby.  They were told to redo the application, with:

1. More clear definition of organizational goals and activity categories (not at all unreasonable, since they're asking for the school to  insure them in their club that involves tying people the fark up... some clearly-delineated internal oversight and safety procedures are  legally necessary, not just the school hasslin' them.  Sport clubs have to do the same thing usually).

2. Faculty oversight.  Not required for 100% of clubs, yes, but... really?  You're going to start a club to practice a hobby whose  sole application is sexual and you think it's unreasonable that the university want an actual, for-reals adult representative of the college on hand?

Basically the school's being pretty encouraging and just telling them to do it right, but the one random asshole heading the nascent committee is arbitrarily playing drama queen because she's an irresponsible brat with no concept of the things she does sometimes requiring effort or due diligence.
 
2014-03-09 02:00:06 PM  
They've got the market cornered on being insufferable, at least.
 
2014-03-09 02:01:52 PM  
In the future we recommend you not include a group photo.
 
2014-03-09 02:03:10 PM  
Jim, do you have any proof of your statement that they have minors involved in sexual activity in this club?
 
2014-03-09 02:05:46 PM  
Aren't they precious?
 
2014-03-09 02:07:15 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Stanford: "So, just reassure us that when you say "explore kink", you're not having sex as part of your group's mission, and if you are that you're not going to suffocate or injure someone."

Students: " How DARE they! Discrimination! [civil-rightsy-sounding bafflegab] THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!"


snocone: So a class for Faux Kink?

College kids, what won't they fark up next?

Yeah - they probably would have gotten more traction if they called it the "Awkward Sexual Experimentation Club".


More than just an outrage, this is a FAUX KINK OUTRAGE!!

/Hope they didn't originally call themselves the Kardinal Kink Klub.
 
2014-03-09 02:07:37 PM  
Maybe they should try groveling, like the scum that they are.

/Naughty, filthy scum
 
2014-03-09 02:10:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: Actually, there is quite a bit. Many states still have laws on the book that equate consensual kink and physical play with abuse. Play groups often become targets of police prostitution stings, even though no money is exchanged, and even many expressly forbid sexual play on their club grounds. Many people still think that those into BDSM (Hint: Not everyone likes whips and chains.) are somehow mentally diseased, broken, or even equate them with pedophiles out of some insane troll logic. Outing someone as a kinkster is considered verboten in the BDSM community, because they can face professional and public consequences for their private actions, including losing their job - or in some cases - even their state-issued licenses for their profession.



... so, how's the time portal from the early 1990s treatin' you?   Because the laws you're talking about were all struck down with the anti-sodomy laws.  You have to have an accuser pressing charges for an abuse charge to occur.

And most of the raids on sex clubs result in  convictions, i.e. they aren't just randomly hassling you, they're targeting the buildings because actual prostitution's usually going on.  Probable cause, warrant, etc.  Sorta like how strip clubs and massage parlors always have a "no sex" rule but they're one of the most frequent targets of vice stings.  This isn't harassment, it's  entirely appropriate targeting on the major sources of the problem.  Just because you know a lot of cool folk at the strip club or whatever doesn't make the statistical association with crime not real.

Also, Stanford's in San Francisco, the BDSM folk literally have floats in half the parades.  Anonymity is not really a big concern where we're talking.
 
2014-03-09 02:10:24 PM  
So this is an article about a Stanford "kink" club that was told to redo their application, and one time, eight years ago, a click baity article was written about a similar Harvard club, and based on that click baity article Ann Couter made fun of that club so let's headline this article:

i.imgur.com

But this article isn't click bait. Oh no it's not.
 
2014-03-09 02:11:51 PM  
Rope burns. Ouch, man.
 
2014-03-09 02:14:20 PM  
Stanford should have allowed the group just for the entertainment value. I'm envisioning Kardinal Kink Klub inclusion at all the 'diversity week' gatherings, what with the "KKK AND PROUD" T-shirts, and recruitment tables with fine examples of rope knotwork, iron collars, and branding irons.
 
2014-03-09 02:16:43 PM  

hardinparamedic: Jim, do you have any proof of your statement that they have minors involved in sexual activity in this club?


Since that's not a statement I made and you reading it is a result of skipping a beat on reading comprehension... no.

What I said was that the hobby's only application is sex-play, so it's not unreasonable to have a college rep on site to make sure no lines are crossed.  You're talking about a bunch of teenagers, you'll sometimes need someone in the corner to remind them that they need to separate their private lives from their university-funded-activity lives.

// Also... "minors" doesn't matter, not from the perspective of university oversight and responsibilites.  60-year-old retiree students would probably demand faculty or staff oversight too.
 
2014-03-09 02:17:13 PM  

snocone: So a class for Faux Kink?


If you need to make a distinction between faux kink and real kink, you're doing kink wrong. Or, in the case of most people in "The Lifestyle,"* you're doing it not at all, just sneering at people who fark the wrong way.

I'm all for college kids farking like rabbits in both unstructured and semistructured environments, but I'd worry that this club would end up being the sex-positive movement's version of the College Republicans.

* Not  a lifestyle,  The Lifestyle. All you faux vanilla poseurs keep out of our club. I was in KK at Stanford, goddammit, I know the way kink is supposed to be!
 
2014-03-09 02:18:05 PM  

RoyBatty: But this article isn't click bait. Oh no it's not.


On  Salon.com? Perish the thought!
 
2014-03-09 02:20:18 PM  
FTAH: Hey, Ann Coulter...

EWWWWWW!!!!
 
2014-03-09 02:21:13 PM  

hardinparamedic: Benevolent Misanthrope: Just noting that, while lovely, their advertising is obviously aimed at the Soft-Core Porn Aficionados Club.  Tons of frat boys will show up looking for the girl in the advert and be sorely disappointed.  Which amuses me.

Highly doubt that. Many kink clubs and play groups are pretty exclusive - to the point of having people sign media releases if they want to use pics of them in releases like this, or making people sign NDAs. The average frat boy mentality wouldn't pass. This isn't a strip club or exhibition we're talking about. I know our local group goes so far as to have people who are not sponsored by a current member pay for their own background check before they're allowed to attend under a probationary period.

To be honest, what do you think goes on when groups like this meet? Most of the time it's people drinking coffee and talking about kink, or having a dinner together and having fun. It's not an all-out farkfest like porn would have you to believe.


Damn, man, I'm agreeing with you here.  Work with me.

If they want to be so exclusive and secretive and all, why insist on an official campus group?  I am totally aware that this isn't a state-sponsored dungeon (though I do find that idea oddly alluring).  I'm fully aware that it's sitting around talking about kink, spending time with like-minded folk who aren't going to freak out if you mention something you did that was non-vanilla, and organizing campus "protests" to say, "LOOK AT OUR KINK! LOOK AT IT, DAMN YOU!!!  LOOOOOOKK!!!!"

Their own pic for the group, though, suggests that it's about hawt girls who like to get tied up.  You can't think no idiots are going to drop in and be crestfallen when they realize what it really is.
 
2014-03-09 02:21:50 PM  
I imagine the request will be tied up in administration for awhile.
 
2014-03-09 02:22:20 PM  
What Kardinal Klink may look like

img3.wikia.nocookie.net

(picture him with red robes on and a crucifix, I'm still getting the hang of Photoshop for Android)
 
2014-03-09 02:23:45 PM  

Voiceofreason01: snocone: So a class for Faux Kink?

College kids, what won't they fark up next?

I bet you complain that "kids these days are ruining everything" because some teenager wearing a t-shirt from Hot Topic doesn't listen to the same obscure punk rock bands that you do. Lighten up Francis.


That's a lady, and I have her farkied as "crazy 65yo lesbian, anti-gmo, anti-healthcare nut"
 
2014-03-09 02:30:56 PM  

HiFiGuy: /Hope they didn't originally call themselves the Kardinal Kink Klub.


Yeah, was curious to that as well.
 
2014-03-09 02:31:33 PM  
The spokesperson for Kardinal Kink stated, that for any further information on this issue, you will have to tie her up and "interrogate" her to get it.
 
2014-03-09 02:38:19 PM  
Marcus Mariota learned what it was like to be held up and stripped by a few Stanford students last August.
 
2014-03-09 02:39:22 PM  
Kinksters = sex hipsters, so farking tedious.
 
2014-03-09 02:40:19 PM  

French Rage: Marcus Mariota learned what it was like to be held up and stripped by a few Stanford students last August.


Err, November.
 
2014-03-09 02:43:34 PM  

Jim_Callahan: ... so, how's the time portal from the early 1990s treatin' you?   Because the laws you're talking about were all struck down with the anti-sodomy laws.  You have to have an accuser pressing charges for an abuse charge to occur.


Uh, no, you don't. Most activities under BDSM are chargeable under domestic abuse laws currently on the books. All you have to do is have your apartment neighbor hear something and call the police. Rope marks or bruising? You're going to jail.

In 2011, the Collierville Police Department raided a local residence that was being used to host a BDSM group's discussions on the accusation of one of the member's ex-girlfriend claiming they were engaging in prostitution at the residence, with no corroboration of this, and then outed the members of it to the local media. The story is behind a paywall at the Commercial Appeal now, but the thread was notorious because the woman who reported this came into the thread to talk about how they were all making child porn there.

Not everywhere is San Fransisco, which is one of the most liberal cities on the planet when it comes to sexuality and treatment of LGBT/Kinksters. Some of us live in the south, where the legislature is STILL trying to legislate sexual morality, and people who are outed face actual, real life problems because of it.

Jim_Callahan: And most of the raids on sex clubs result in  convictions, i.e. they aren't just randomly hassling you, they're targeting the buildings because actual prostitution's usually going on.  Probable cause, warrant, etc.  Sorta like how strip clubs and massage parlors always have a "no sex" rule but they're one of the most frequent targets of vice stings.  This isn't harassment, it's  entirely appropriate targeting on the major sources of the problem.  Just because you know a lot of cool folk at the strip club or whatever doesn't make the statistical association with crime not real.


I'm not talking about a sex club. I'm talking about BDSM Group meetings. Many have rules that there will be no sexual play or genital activity on the premises because they don't want the legal problems associated with that. You still have PD trying to infiltrate these groups.

Jim_Callahan: Since that's not a statement I made and you reading it is a result of skipping a beat on reading comprehension... no.

What I said was that the hobby's only application is sex-play, so it's not unreasonable to have a college rep on site to make sure no lines are crossed.  You're talking about a bunch of teenagers, you'll sometimes need someone in the corner to remind them that they need to separate their private lives from their university-funded-activity lives.


Your statement was that the groups needed a "real adult". So either that was a strawman, or you honestly believe that people involved in this are not adults, and not capable of making their own decisions and determinations, or staying within the boundaries of group rules on campus.

You DO know that even when they play or do demonstration panels at these groups, they are often times done clothed, as with the picture in TFA? Unlike what you see on Xtube, no one is farking like jackrabbits. Even if they were, it wouldn't be your concern, nor the college's concern if it was done in a private venue, in a safe, sane and consensual manner.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Their own pic for the group, though, suggests that it's about hawt girls who like to get tied up.  You can't think no idiots are going to drop in and be crestfallen when they realize what it really is.


Given the things I've seen when I visited Stanford in 2005, I'd be fully willing to believe that the girl in the pic is the norm versus the exception on that campus.
 
2014-03-09 02:47:40 PM  
When asked why they weren't surprised by the rejection, Lily Z., the club's president, explained in an email, "We're not surprised by the culture we live in. Our society is a place where kink is expected to be rejected, expected to be pushed back down when it comes up - and Stanford is no exception."

Um, if it's accepted and normalized (as opposed to "rejected" or "pushed back down") by your society or culture, how exactly can you call it a "kink"?
 
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