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2014-03-09 10:30:05 AM
omg
 
2014-03-09 10:47:46 AM
I'm either going to be really, really satisfied tonight or so pissed off I punch a wall.
 
2014-03-09 10:50:44 AM
Haven't watched it yet (I will) but the reason this hasn't had a thread previously isn't due to its quality but you have to pay attention and there are no commercials when you can post/read.

/AGOT threads tend to be sparse and that has the advantage of some people knowing at least where the basic threads are going.
 
2014-03-09 10:52:44 AM
There is no way to close this season of the series without disappointing some fans.

/ Hoping for a St. Elsewhere ending
//JK
 
2014-03-09 10:53:07 AM

Lsherm: I'm either going to be really, really satisfied tonight or so pissed off I punch a wall.


It isn't like you shouldn't know pretty much where the final act is going at this point. Much like the rest of the story, its how they get there. 7/8 of it has been a hell of a ride; I see nothing about the arc of the story that could result in a disappointing finale unless they end it with a soft shoe number.
 
2014-03-09 10:53:52 AM

Lsherm: I'm either going to be really, really satisfied tonight or so pissed off I punch a wall.


don't expect any real supernatural hoodoo and you'll be fine. Pizzolatto's nailed it so far. he won't fark up the ending.
 
2014-03-09 10:55:41 AM

Lsherm: I'm either going to be really, really satisfied tonight or so pissed off I punch a wall.


If it ends like "Killer Joe", I am going to be extremely pissed.
 
2014-03-09 10:58:00 AM

elvisaintdead: Lsherm: I'm either going to be really, really satisfied tonight or so pissed off I punch a wall.

don't expect any real supernatural hoodoo and you'll be fine. Pizzolatto's nailed it so far. he won't fark up the ending.


but gawddamb, what an ending it better be.
 
2014-03-09 10:58:32 AM

AGremlin: There is no way to close this season of the series without disappointing some fans.

/ Hoping for a St. Elsewhere ending
//JK


IMHO fans who are expecting a "Hart did it TWIST" ending or a sudden veer into supernatural territory deserve disappointment.
 
2014-03-09 11:04:42 AM

gilgigamesh: AGremlin: There is no way to close this season of the series without disappointing some fans.

/ Hoping for a St. Elsewhere ending
//JK

IMHO fans who are expecting a "Hart did it TWIST" ending or a sudden veer into supernatural territory deserve disappointment.


I think some people will always be upset that the storyline didn't end the way they expected it, that it was too far fetched, too predictable etc...

As long as the ending of this season is well written and well acted, I think I'll be happy.

/ Hopefully it will be as good next season without McConaughey and Harrelson
 
2014-03-09 11:17:39 AM

AGremlin: / Hopefully it will be as good next season without McConaughey and Harrelson


I'm wondering how it can be. Its a daring move to throw out a winning formula and start from scratch.
 
2014-03-09 11:18:50 AM

gilgigamesh: AGremlin: There is no way to close this season of the series without disappointing some fans.

/ Hoping for a St. Elsewhere ending
//JK

IMHO fans who are expecting a "Hart did it TWIST" ending or a sudden veer into supernatural territory deserve disappointment.


At least one familiar face will turn up as a bad guy.  They need to make the circle complete.
 
2014-03-09 11:20:03 AM

elvisaintdead: Lsherm: I'm either going to be really, really satisfied tonight or so pissed off I punch a wall.

don't expect any real supernatural hoodoo and you'll be fine. Pizzolatto's nailed it so far. he won't fark up the ending.


I wasn't expecting anything supernatural.  Are people really expecting something like that?
 
2014-03-09 11:20:44 AM
I'm looking forward to tomorrow morning. There's going to be some people who invested so much energy into some really elaborate hyper analysis that are going to use some really impressive mental gymnastics to say how their conclusions were the correct one. They've invested WAY too much time to just say they were wrong.

I think it will be a satisfying ending but not anything bizarre.
 
2014-03-09 11:23:50 AM

Marcus Aurelius: gilgigamesh: AGremlin: There is no way to close this season of the series without disappointing some fans.

/ Hoping for a St. Elsewhere ending
//JK

IMHO fans who are expecting a "Hart did it TWIST" ending or a sudden veer into supernatural territory deserve disappointment.

At least one familiar face will turn up as a bad guy.  They need to make the circle complete.


Personally I think it will be Marty's FIL, but that seems too obvious.

I agree they need to explain Marty's daughter's issues. They have very broadly hinted that she knows what's going on in some fashion. I admit I will be disappointed if that is dropped without explanation.
 
2014-03-09 11:27:43 AM

Lsherm: elvisaintdead: Lsherm: I'm either going to be really, really satisfied tonight or so pissed off I punch a wall.

don't expect any real supernatural hoodoo and you'll be fine. Pizzolatto's nailed it so far. he won't fark up the ending.

I wasn't expecting anything supernatural.  Are people really expecting something like that?


I toyed with the idea. Not seriously. But when the King in Yellow mythology got introduced, I thought it was possible.

I think we will see something along the lines of a sacrificial site in the swamps with standing stones, along the lines of Call of Cthullu
 
2014-03-09 11:30:01 AM

gilgigamesh: Personally I think it will be Marty's FIL, but that seems too obvious


He's the one I was thinking of.  Guess we'll find out once they apply the jumper cables this evening.
 
2014-03-09 11:34:33 AM

Lsherm: elvisaintdead: Lsherm: I'm either going to be really, really satisfied tonight or so pissed off I punch a wall.

don't expect any real supernatural hoodoo and you'll be fine. Pizzolatto's nailed it so far. he won't fark up the ending.

I wasn't expecting anything supernatural.  Are people really expecting something like that?


there's still a few folks on sone other boards where I may have lurked who have their fingers crossed. not me.

but I am calling the father-in-law as one of the five. I know, brave of me.
 
2014-03-09 11:36:55 AM

elvisaintdead: Lsherm: elvisaintdead: Lsherm: I'm either going to be really, really satisfied tonight or so pissed off I punch a wall.

don't expect any real supernatural hoodoo and you'll be fine. Pizzolatto's nailed it so far. he won't fark up the ending.

I wasn't expecting anything supernatural.  Are people really expecting something like that?

there's still a few folks on sone other boards where I may have lurked who have their fingers crossed. not me.

but I am calling the father-in-law as one of the five. I know, brave of me.


Pretty sure another one is the white haired, uniformed guy at the PD.  He shows too much authority to not be involved.

He's either one of the Yellow King ( "the one are many, yet the many are but one") or their eyes and ears at the PD.
 
2014-03-09 11:47:58 AM

gilgigamesh: AGremlin: / Hopefully it will be as good next season without McConaughey and Harrelson

I'm wondering how it can be. Its a daring move to throw out a winning formula and start from scratch.


Agreed.  It will be difficult to match the uncomfortable dynamic between Matt and Woody.

Was it Pizzolatto's creative decision or just down to the unavailability of the actors?
 
2014-03-09 12:34:12 PM

AGremlin: Was it Pizzolatto's creative decision or just down to the unavailability of the actors?


Isn't McConaughey the series producer?
 
2014-03-09 12:42:11 PM

AGremlin: gilgigamesh: AGremlin: / Hopefully it will be as good next season without McConaughey and Harrelson

I'm wondering how it can be. Its a daring move to throw out a winning formula and start from scratch.

Agreed.  It will be difficult to match the uncomfortable dynamic between Matt and Woody.

Was it Pizzolatto's creative decision or just down to the unavailability of the actors?


I think the "it's just for one season" idea is how they got such good actors for the show.
 
2014-03-09 01:07:35 PM
If they outdo that prisoner extraction scene from episode 4, it will be a miracle.  Honestly, they could end this any way they want to, and it is still one of the most satisfying works of televised fiction ever produced
 
2014-03-09 01:09:19 PM

aiiee: Pretty sure another one is the white haired, uniformed guy at the PD


I wanted someone to shoot him in the face from the moment I first saw him.
 
2014-03-09 01:13:25 PM

Blues_X: I think the "it's just for one season" idea is how they got such good actors for the show.


My buddy just suggested that they should get Harrow (Boardwalk Empire) and Brody (Homeland) as the detective pair next season, since they're not doing anything :D

god, that would be an epic tag-team
 
2014-03-09 01:20:40 PM

Blues_X: AGremlin: gilgigamesh: AGremlin: / Hopefully it will be as good next season without McConaughey and Harrelson

I'm wondering how it can be. Its a daring move to throw out a winning formula and start from scratch.

Agreed.  It will be difficult to match the uncomfortable dynamic between Matt and Woody.

Was it Pizzolatto's creative decision or just down to the unavailability of the actors?

I think the "it's just for one season" idea is how they got such good actors for the show.


That's a very good point. I can't believe either of these guys would have signed on to an extended television commitment, so that may be the only way it could have happened.
 
2014-03-09 01:24:37 PM

somedude210: Blues_X: I think the "it's just for one season" idea is how they got such good actors for the show.

My buddy just suggested that they should get Harrow (Boardwalk Empire) and Brody (Homeland) as the detective pair next season, since they're not doing anything :D

god, that would be an epic tag-team


I would literally shiat if Jack Huston was cast next season.

Anyone who is going into this expecting a mind-blowing twist is gearing himself up for disappointment. This story has been incredibly linear all the way through, and that is what has made it so remarkable.
 
2014-03-09 01:42:17 PM

kronicfeld: I would literally shiat if Jack Huston was cast next season.


well it's not like he's gonna be appearing in any other HBO shows :D
 
2014-03-09 01:54:35 PM

gilgigamesh: Blues_X: AGremlin: gilgigamesh: AGremlin: / Hopefully it will be as good next season without McConaughey and Harrelson

I'm wondering how it can be. Its a daring move to throw out a winning formula and start from scratch.

Agreed.  It will be difficult to match the uncomfortable dynamic between Matt and Woody.

Was it Pizzolatto's creative decision or just down to the unavailability of the actors?

I think the "it's just for one season" idea is how they got such good actors for the show.

That's a very good point. I can't believe either of these guys would have signed on to an extended television commitment, so that may be the only way it could have happened.


McConaughey's stock just went up with the Oscar win....I imagine he'll be getting more plum movie roles.

Maybe the popularity of the show will draw additional quality actors into the mix for the next iteration.
 
2014-03-09 02:05:33 PM

AGremlin: gilgigamesh: Blues_X: AGremlin: gilgigamesh: AGremlin: / Hopefully it will be as good next season without McConaughey and Harrelson

I'm wondering how it can be. Its a daring move to throw out a winning formula and start from scratch.

Agreed.  It will be difficult to match the uncomfortable dynamic between Matt and Woody.

Was it Pizzolatto's creative decision or just down to the unavailability of the actors?

I think the "it's just for one season" idea is how they got such good actors for the show.

That's a very good point. I can't believe either of these guys would have signed on to an extended television commitment, so that may be the only way it could have happened.

McConaughey's stock just went up with the Oscar win....I imagine he'll be getting more plum movie roles.

Maybe the popularity of the show will draw additional quality actors into the mix for the next iteration.



I think that's the idea - a couple of A-listers for a single season, single case commitment.
maybe do the next one in the Finger Lakes of NY, or outside of St. Louis or Cleveland.

but with the way this season has blown up, and with their established chemistry, it would be hard not to imagine Woody and Matthew(regardless of Rust dying tonight) not somehow teaming up again in a few years, Hollywood being what it is.
 
2014-03-09 02:10:04 PM

gilgigamesh: IMHO fans who are expecting a "Hart did it TWIST" ending or a sudden veer into supernatural territory deserve disappointment.


There are people expecting that?

It pretty much comes down to: Rust was right all along, and whether or not they get his name cleared/they live through taking out the Yellow King.
 
2014-03-09 02:13:49 PM

AGremlin: Was it Pizzolatto's creative decision or just down to the unavailability of the actors?


Matthew McConaghey auditioned for the role of Harte, was given Cohle, and he requested they try Woody for Harte. I read that in some article last week, anyway.
 
2014-03-09 02:16:51 PM

serpent_sky: AGremlin: Was it Pizzolatto's creative decision or just down to the unavailability of the actors?

Matthew McConaghey auditioned for the role of Harte, was given   asked for Cohle, and he requested they try Woody for Harte. I read that in some article last week, anyway.

 
2014-03-09 02:30:43 PM
elvisaintdead:

I think that's the idea - a couple of A-listers for a single season, single case commitment.
maybe do the next one in the Finger Lakes of NY, or outside of St. Louis or Cleveland.

but with the way this season has blown up, and with their established chemistry, it would be hard not to imagine Woody and Matthew(regardless of Rust dying tonight) not somehow teaming up again in a few years, Hollywood being what it is.


I was wondering if Nic Pizzolato would take the series out of Louisiana....it will be interesting to see what he does.
 
2014-03-09 02:43:43 PM
i was hoping for a 2 hour finale -- given the arc looks like it should be longer considering
where we left off last week.

but, i guess we only get 1 hour -- and it starts with the "interrogation" of the sheriff

i hope it doesn't feel rushed.
 
2014-03-09 02:51:07 PM
I'm still not sure if this is a plot-driven or character-driven show. And I love that.
 
2014-03-09 02:52:28 PM

keithgabryelski: i was hoping for a 2 hour finale -- given the arc looks like it should be longer considering
where we left off last week.

but, i guess we only get 1 hour -- and it starts with the "interrogation" of the sheriff

i hope it doesn't feel rushed.


Considering what they've been able to achieve in under an hour a week, I'm not too worried about it.  The pacing of that show is brilliant.
 
2014-03-09 02:53:24 PM

kronicfeld: I'm still not sure if this is a plot-driven or character-driven show. And I love that.


It's like Twin Peaks without all the dicking around.
 
2014-03-09 02:56:14 PM

thamike: If they outdo that prisoner extraction scene from episode 4, it will be a miracle.  Honestly, they could end this any way they want to, and it is still one of the most satisfying works of televised fiction ever produced


Yeah, that episode was one of the craziest things I've ever seen on TV.
 
2014-03-09 03:02:23 PM

serpent_sky: There are people expecting that?


Go back and read some archived threads. I don't know if anyone still believes it -- not after last week anyway -- but both were popular theories.

serpent_sky: It pretty much comes down to: Rust was right all along, and whether or not they get his name cleared/they live through taking out the Yellow King.


I think the King in Yellow is more metaphorical. I doubt they actually get a "guy" who is the KiY. The KiY is an ancient apocalyptic pagan god of some sort in the same vein as Cthullu; worshipped by the cult consisting of Sam Tuttle's progeny and their followers.
 
2014-03-09 03:13:27 PM

shower_in_my_socks: thamike: If they outdo that prisoner extraction scene from episode 4, it will be a miracle.  Honestly, they could end this any way they want to, and it is still one of the most satisfying works of televised fiction ever produced

Yeah, that episode was one of the craziest things I've ever seen on TV.


Right?  I did a double take after the credits.  F*ck it, I'm going to watch it again right now.
 
2014-03-09 03:23:05 PM

gilgigamesh: AGremlin: / Hopefully it will be as good next season without McConaughey and Harrelson

I'm wondering how it can be. Its a daring move to throw out a winning formula and start from scratch.


I'm just catching up on the entirety of the season but I think if they pair quality actors and THAT quality writing, they'll be fine. By the middle of the second season I expect name actors to be queued up to get a chance at being on this show.

Confession: I absolutely loathed McConaughey in about everything I've ever seen him in. But I kept hearing great things about the story line.  For the first two eps, I swore blind that the "young" Cohle was a different actor. Once I reconciled that McConaughey  was playing both roles, I couldn't stop watching this show.

I think the writers will come up with something written "around" the next set of talent they have lined up. I think this show is really that good.
 
2014-03-09 03:24:02 PM

AGremlin: elvisaintdead:

I think that's the idea - a couple of A-listers for a single season, single case commitment.
maybe do the next one in the Finger Lakes of NY, or outside of St. Louis or Cleveland.

but with the way this season has blown up, and with their established chemistry, it would be hard not to imagine Woody and Matthew(regardless of Rust dying tonight) not somehow teaming up again in a few years, Hollywood being what it is.

I was wondering if Nic Pizzolato would take the series out of Louisiana....it will be interesting to see what he does.


Pizzolato went to school at LSU and Arkansas, and originally wanted to set it in that area (SE Ark, NE La), but HBO got a great production deal from NOLA so they moved south, IIRC.  Still a perfect, creepy, inbred, secret-y, "nothing grows right here" atmosphere.

but if the series is different cases and cops every season, why not change it all up?

no matter what, after this, I trust the dude.
 
2014-03-09 03:33:00 PM
I can't make any grand predictions about how it will end, but I did notice something interesting in the last couple of episodes.  First, here's a drawing of the "devil catchers" that the cult likes to leave around:

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And here's the container of pens sitting on their boss's desk at the police station:

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Remember, Rust thinks the police are in on the murders. The showrunner and art director could have put those pens in any container they wanted, but they chose a clear container to show the messy "devil catcher"-like mess that they make inside the container.

I didn't think too much of this until I saw it again on Maggie Hart's coffee table when Marty goes to visit her:

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Notice the mess that the flower stems make, and the jar that they're in is even "bound" by twine. And the weird little decorative object next to it resembles antlers. And again, the people making this series chose a clear container so we would see this.

SO, my out-of-left-field prediction: We're pretty confident that Rust is right about senior police brass being involved in the murders. If that's true, and that mass of pens on their boss's desk is a clue that tells you that character or group is involved in some way, then the flowers and antler-looking thing on Maggie's table says that she's also involved in some way.

What is Monaghan's character still doing in the story at this point? Her and Marty are divorced. But she keeps popping up, asking questions. And what's with the b-story about their oldest daughter being effed up, the sex stuff when she was a teenager, the allusion now that she's on medication for mental issues? All of that just to show the consequences of Marty being a bad husband and father?

My feeling is that Maggie's father, who we met one time early on and haven't seen again (an old mystery story cliche) is involved, and Maggie has long suspected it, too. Her dad seems to be a well-connected, well-off person (which fits the cult's MO) who never liked Marty - it's like Maggie marrying Marty was a rebellious thing. Now you have Maggie and Marty's oldest daughter showing obvious signs of having been sexually abused when she was younger, which is usually at the hands of a relative, and some signs that her side of the family may be involved in everything, and now Maggie is poking around Marty and Rust's renewed private investigation to find out what they know.
 
2014-03-09 03:45:58 PM
 
2014-03-09 03:59:12 PM
elvisaintdead:

Pizzolato went to school at LSU and Arkansas, and originally wanted to set it in that area (SE Ark, NE La), but HBO got a great production deal from NOLA so they moved south, IIRC.  Still a perfect, creepy, inbred, secret-y, "nothing grows right here" atmosphere.

but if the series is different cases and cops every season, why not change it all up?

no matter what, after this, I trust the dude.


I just bought his novel Galveston on Kindle.  I haven't started reading it yet, but I'm hoping the writing is as good as his work in the series.

As a LSU alumnus, I'm wishing him success.
 
2014-03-09 04:58:02 PM

somedude210: This thread is getting deep and dark

Time to lighten shiat up....

In the Louisiana Bayou, the people are represented by two separate but equally important groups: The detectives who investigate the crimes, and the fans who create crazy elaborate theories. These are their stories *DUN DUN*

:-D


That's kinda fun; thanks.
 
2014-03-09 05:51:17 PM

shower_in_my_socks: I can't make any grand predictions about how it will end, but I did notice something interesting in the last couple of episodes.  First, here's a drawing of the "devil catchers" that the cult likes to leave around:

[img.fark.net image 600x337]


And here's the container of pens sitting on their boss's desk at the police station:

[img.fark.net image 600x410]

Remember, Rust thinks the police are in on the murders. The showrunner and art director could have put those pens in any container they wanted, but they chose a clear container to show the messy "devil catcher"-like mess that they make inside the container.

I didn't think too much of this until I saw it again on Maggie Hart's coffee table when Marty goes to visit her:

[img.fark.net image 600x436]

Notice the mess that the flower stems make, and the jar that they're in is even "bound" by twine. And the weird little decorative object next to it resembles antlers. And again, the people making this series chose a clear container so we would see this.

SO, my out-of-left-field prediction: We're pretty confident that Rust is right about senior police brass being involved in the murders. If that's true, and that mass of pens on their boss's desk is a clue that tells you that character or group is involved in some way, then the flowers and antler-looking thing on Maggie's table says that she's also involved in some way.

What is Monaghan's character still doing in the story at this point? Her and Marty are divorced. But she keeps popping up, asking questions. And what's with the b-story about their oldest daughter being effed up, the sex stuff when she was a teenager, the allusion now that she's on medication for mental issues? All of that just to show the consequences of Marty being a bad husband and father?

My feeling is that Maggie's father, who we met one time early on and haven't seen again (an old mystery story cliche) is involved, and Maggie has long suspected it, too. Her dad seems to be a well-connected, w ...


While your observations deserve applause, I honestly think that the 'mystery' that's central to the story is the most straightforward aspect of it. Groundskeeper Scarface did the deed, some of the rich and politically connected like to torture little kids, maybe, but no comeuppance, the cops are completely inept, and the symbolism is basically window dressing.  This show's a whodunit in which who done it doesn't really matter.
 
2014-03-09 06:06:42 PM
Vampires! They're all vampires!
 
2014-03-09 06:12:06 PM

Confabulat: Vampires! They're all vampires!


Yew cayn't date a vaympahr!

/Isn't that already a show?
 
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