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2014-03-09 01:47:42 PM

Por que tan serioso: Fabric_Man: meow said the dog: 

Seriously. Everyone thinks they are the good Pocket Ninja. I want to read one or two concise thoughts.


Fabric_Man: meow said the dog:  

Stroke-like typing detected.


Lurk moar you two.
 
2014-03-09 01:50:56 PM

Pick: Oh, and don't drive through there in one of those Ford Crown Vic police cars you bought at a city auction. You WILL be stopped.


Why?
 
2014-03-09 01:54:13 PM

Pick: I live about 30 miles from that area. Waldo is NOT a speed trap. There is PLENTY of warning ahead of time and distance for the speed zones. You have to be a complete idiot to get a ticket there. But, there are plenty of those around. Like the guy they caught going 105 MPH through the stop light. Oh, and don't drive through there in one of those Ford Crown Vic police cars you bought at a city auction. You WILL be stopped.

I have been between Waldo and Starke many times and never knew Hampton had a Police Dept.


I live in Ocala and Waldo is a speed trap. They have speed zones that drop from 65 to 45 to 35 in a matter of blocks.
 
2014-03-09 01:58:44 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: DoctorWhat: I thought the state of Ohio was the most notorious speed trap in the country.

I assume you're referencing Linndale, which was taken care of years ago.  There was an article in Car And Driver about it.  Turns out the Linndale council was skimming big time off of fines and was removed from office.


Then came Elmwood.. near Cincinnati, which put speed cameras in areas that went from 40 to 20 with no signs... the had to throw out over 50k tickets.

Then came Brice, outside Columbus, which wrote more tickets than New Rome, which was so corrupt that they dissolved the town and made laws about patrolling the interstate if your town covered less than a mile of it.

Ohio. Don't speed here.
 
2014-03-09 02:01:11 PM

Marcus Aurelius: This town is so corrupt they can't even frame the mayor properly.

One tab of oxycodone?  Please.  Give me a break.


That just screams it was a setup.
"Hey, Barry - my back is killing me after that fender-bender I had last week.  Can I have one of your pain pills?  Thanks, man, here's $20.  No, no, keep it, please."

I would personally rank Lawtey as more corrupt than Hampton, though.
 
2014-03-09 02:10:28 PM

Unobtanium: Benjimin_Dover: varmitydog: Benjimin_Dover: So I take anything can incorporate as a city in FL? 400 people? In NY, you have to have 6000 (or is it 8000) people before you can be a city. Under that and you have to pick village or hamlet or sumsuch.

Most of these small towns were set up between 60 and 90 years ago, for the purpose of getting a post office put there. That was before A/C and the population boom that followed. They changed the rules in 1975 and a lot of little towns lost their status. Although this is an extreme example, there are a lot of these flyspeck little towns in Florida where the town exists solely for the local politicians and city managers bank accounts, and should be swallowed up by either the county or the city that they are suburbs of.

I kinda got that, but are they really "cities" as in the legal entity? Are they peers to Miami or Ft. Lauderdale? Or are they towns or villages and the journalist doesn't the difference? I suppose I can go spend the time Googling Florida state organization structure. Meh.

Throughout much of the South, you have cities, or you have an unincorporated area in a county. Typically, no intermediate things like "townships." SC might have something like that.


Interesting. Tks.
 
2014-03-09 02:13:35 PM

theflatline: I was getting of of I-10 in Baldwin heading towards Ocala on 301 when a mini van with CT plates blew past me at around 80.

We ended up at the same gas station and the guy and his family were at the next pump, seems they were headed to Disney.

I said "sir, you might want to slaw it down, because the next town up is waldo, and it is a serious speed trap."

I got "F U you dumb southerner I know how to drive."

So I set off at 45 miles an hour, digging on the radio, and sure enough there he was, pulled over and in cuffs screaming at the Waldo cops.


How delicious did that schadenfreude taste?
 
2014-03-09 02:19:10 PM
 
2014-03-09 02:31:10 PM
Who puts up those billboard signs that say "speed trap?" It seems like that would irritate the police and the city because they make so much money off of it.

Don't these billboards need to be approved by the city? Why would the city approve them?
 
2014-03-09 02:33:45 PM

Spanky McStupid: Off 301 - I shoulda knowed.

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301 is notorious for speed traps.


I've gotten tickets once each in Lawtey and Hampton.  Pulled over in Waldo, but not ticketed.  It's best to be aware of the town limits on 301.
 
2014-03-09 02:34:55 PM
I was just telling a friend about when I was busted at a rural speed trap in Texas. When I went to court, the Deputy acting as bailiff said "no, we all know that the reason y'all are here is that you're guildy. You know it, and I know it, so don't y'all even dare to plead 'not guilty' in this here court. You understand me?"
 
2014-03-09 02:35:34 PM
"guilty", I meant.
 
2014-03-09 02:35:45 PM

redsquid: 'Then the fancy folks packed up and moved 10 miles up the road to Starke'

Well of course, Starke has a Stuckey's and a boiled peanut stand. When you hit the big time you don't want to drive ten miles for the finer things in life.


And a prison
 
2014-03-09 02:36:52 PM

theflatline: Spanky McStupid: Off 301 - I shoulda knowed.

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301 is notorious for speed traps.

I was getting of of I-10 in Baldwin heading towards Ocala on 301 when a mini van with CT plates blew past me at around 80.

We ended up at the same gas station and the guy and his family were at the next pump, seems they were headed to Disney.

I said "sir, you might want to slaw it down, because the next town up is waldo, and it is a serious speed trap."

I got "F U you dumb southerner I know how to drive."

So I set off at 45 miles an hour, digging on the radio, and sure enough there he was, pulled over and in cuffs screaming at the Waldo cops.


CSB. Time

Had a new fresh out of driving school partner. I40 approaching shamrock Texas I mention at the 156 mile marker there will be a cop on the median with a radar gun. Same response F-U 10 mins later he gets his first of 3 tickets that run after the second fender bender my boss says put his ass on a bus.

End CSB
 
2014-03-09 02:40:37 PM
And this is why the only legal use for the money from speeding tickets should be to throw it in the incinerator.
 
2014-03-09 02:42:27 PM

redsquid: 'Then the fancy folks packed up and moved 10 miles up the road to Starke'

Well of course, Starke has a Stuckey's and a boiled peanut stand. When you hit the big time you don't want to drive ten miles for the finer things in life.


Ok, I laughed like a son of a biatch when I read that. Very nicely done.

/and Starke actually is an improvement over Hampton
 
2014-03-09 02:44:56 PM

armor helix: Who puts up those billboard signs that say "speed trap?" It seems like that would irritate the police and the city because they make so much money off of it.

Don't these billboards need to be approved by the city? Why would the city approve them?


The billboards are outside the town limits.  For a while they were financed by AAA.
 
2014-03-09 02:45:05 PM
We have lots of speed traps here in Florida. Gulf Breeze, FL near Pensacola has always rightfully had the reputation. Of course, they were the first city to put in the photo enforced traffic signals in this area as well.
Corruption sucks. But this is Florida, so it's kind of to be expected.
Hey, but we used to have nice beaches before the condos covered them all up... so there's that.
 
2014-03-09 02:49:19 PM

EKU Colonel: Waldo, FL?

/Hampton has nothing on Waldo...


Where's Waldo?

/ducks and hides
 
2014-03-09 02:56:46 PM
What I am curious about is where is the money going.  Usually in a set up like this, you can see the people with the fancy houses, new cars, observable wealth.  But according to this, it doesn't seem like the money is showing up.

Or are the rules such that you don't have to live in town to work there and if you check out the fancy development five miles over you see all the cops etc with their big houses?
 
2014-03-09 03:24:37 PM

BizarreMan: What I am curious about is where is the money going.  Usually in a set up like this, you can see the people with the fancy houses, new cars, observable wealth.  But according to this, it doesn't seem like the money is showing up.

Or are the rules such that you don't have to live in town to work there and if you check out the fancy development five miles over you see all the cops etc with their big houses?


They had 20 cops on the books and never made more than $253,000 / year in tickets.  Between the equipment and payroll, their setup probably cost a lot more money than it made.  I'm sure there was plenty of the standard small-town cronyism deciding who got the jobs and contracts, but I'm pretty sure nobody got rich from this.  The slush fund was enough money to keep a few lucky people flush with lottery tickets and cigarettes.
 
2014-03-09 03:25:44 PM
We used to have a town like that in Texas, Selma, that my Dad said ran on speed trap money;.Well, in the early 80's the state expanded their freeway section, made the whole thing elevated. Kinda killed the whole place;.
 
2014-03-09 03:47:51 PM
I live in Waldo. The police force here is just worthless. They only care about writing speeding tickets on 301 and Waldo Road. When they're not catching speeders they are just hanging out at the Dunkin' Donuts. They won't patrol the neighborhoods. God forbid you actually have to call them for something. It'll take them 30 or minutes to show up at your house.
It's really only a matter of time before this happens in Waldo.
 
2014-03-09 03:52:02 PM

varmitydog: Benjimin_Dover: So I take anything can incorporate as a city in FL? 400 people? In NY, you have to have 6000 (or is it 8000) people before you can be a city. Under that and you have to pick village or hamlet or sumsuch.

Most of these small towns were set up between 60 and 90 years ago, for the purpose of getting a post office put there. That was before A/C and the population boom that followed. They changed the rules in 1975 and a lot of little towns lost their status. Although this is an extreme example, there are a lot of these flyspeck little towns in Florida where the town exists solely for the local politicians and city managers bank accounts, and should be swallowed up by either the county or the city that they are suburbs of.


Or swallowed up by a sizable sink hole.
 
2014-03-09 03:55:37 PM

The Larch: BizarreMan: What I am curious about is where is the money going.  Usually in a set up like this, you can see the people with the fancy houses, new cars, observable wealth.  But according to this, it doesn't seem like the money is showing up.

Or are the rules such that you don't have to live in town to work there and if you check out the fancy development five miles over you see all the cops etc with their big houses?

They had 20 cops on the books and never made more than $253,000 / year in tickets.  Between the equipment and payroll, their setup probably cost a lot more money than it made.  I'm sure there was plenty of the standard small-town cronyism deciding who got the jobs and contracts, but I'm pretty sure nobody got rich from this.  The slush fund was enough money to keep a few lucky people flush with lottery tickets and cigarettes.


The fact they had as many cops as they did is probably the biggest issue since they didn't really have any reason for it. Otherwise there were just the comments in the article about money not being allocated for much at all and that police were routinely seen filling up personal vehicles with gas using their city charge cards.
 
2014-03-09 04:12:52 PM

armor helix: Who puts up those billboard signs that say "speed trap?" It seems like that would irritate the police and the city because they make so much money off of it.

Don't these billboards need to be approved by the city? Why would the city approve them?


The city has no say if they're beyond the city limits.

In some cases it's AAA that puts them up.  In the case of Ludowici, Georgia, decades ago, the *state* put up a billboard, signed by the governor, advertising Ludowici as a speed trap.  The town got so pissed off about it that they had to station a Georgia State Trooper next to it 24x7 to prevent vandalism.
 
2014-03-09 04:14:34 PM
If u think this is bad, I wonder what everyone would say if we audited the federal reserve?
 
2014-03-09 04:35:14 PM
The Larch:
They had 20 cops on the books and never made more than $253,000 / year in tickets.  Between the equipment and payroll, their setup probably cost a lot more money than it made.  I'm sure there was plenty of the standard small-town cronyism deciding who got the jobs and contracts, but I'm pretty sure nobody got rich from this.  The slush fund was enough money to keep a few lucky people flush with lottery tickets and cigarettes.

Which works out to $26.59 per citation according to the 2011 figures of $253k and 9515 tickets as quoted in the article.  Something doesn't quite add up here with these numbers- I suspect someone forgot a 0 in the revenue figure, how else to explain 20 cops on payroll and all the new equipment supposedly purchased with ticket revenue?
 
2014-03-09 04:56:14 PM
McIntosh County, GA. Nice little racket y'all got down there!

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2014-03-09 05:01:32 PM

DoctorWhat: Dr Jack Badofsky: Dr Jack Badofsky: DoctorWhat: I thought the state of Ohio was the most notorious speed trap in the country.

I assume you're referencing Linndale, which was taken care of years ago.  There was an article in Car And Driver about it.  Turns out the Linndale council was skimming big time off of fines and was removed from office.

perhaps I should have read your entire comment first.  I have yet to receive a ticket while passing through Ohio, thankfully.  I think these speed traps are really more localized than a per-state thing.


I'm sure there are local pockets that are better or worse, but in general the highway speed limit is less in Ohio than in the surrounding states and there is a fair amount of traffic cop presence, which leads to a lot of out-of-staters getting tickets.  Of course, I lived in Michigan until a year ago, so it's probable that the stories are exaggerated due to the sports-inspired antipathy between the states.  I personally have never gotten a ticket while driving through Ohio.


I cannot imagine any scenario that has me driving through Ohio, let alone approaching it.

/please?
//pop?
///slashie your local idioms
 
2014-03-09 05:26:50 PM

Mighty_Joe: I thought of New Rome, OH Town of 60 people and 14 police officers. Looks like they got shut down in 2004.


That's always my first thought. So now these guys are down. Can we do this like we do al-Qaida leaders, knock 'em off one at a time? Next up: Waldo, FL. On deck: Lawtey, FL. Taking suggestions for who should be in the hole.
 
2014-03-09 05:32:09 PM

Ex-Texan: We used to have a town like that in Texas, Selma, that my Dad said ran on speed trap money;.Well, in the early 80's the state expanded their freeway section, made the whole thing elevated. Kinda killed the whole place;.


Crap, that's where I got stopped.
 
2014-03-09 06:26:13 PM

AloysiusSnuffleupagus: The Larch:
They had 20 cops on the books and never made more than $253,000 / year in tickets.  Between the equipment and payroll, their setup probably cost a lot more money than it made.  I'm sure there was plenty of the standard small-town cronyism deciding who got the jobs and contracts, but I'm pretty sure nobody got rich from this.  The slush fund was enough money to keep a few lucky people flush with lottery tickets and cigarettes.

Which works out to $26.59 per citation according to the 2011 figures of $253k and 9515 tickets as quoted in the article.  Something doesn't quite add up here with these numbers- I suspect someone forgot a 0 in the revenue figure, how else to explain 20 cops on payroll and all the new equipment supposedly purchased with ticket revenue?


The reason for the discrepancy is that the local judges routinely threw out any ticket from Hampton that came before them since in their view the strip of land that Hampton annexed was insufficiently large to allow for enforcement, Florida law requires the officer to measure the speed and initiate the traffic stop inside their jurisdiction, since the speed limit drops from 65 to 55 at the "border" of Hampton, the strip of city annexed property on US 301 was so small and the officer couldn't legally measure the speed of the approaching vehicle until it crossed the border of Hampton by the time the officer could aim and get a reading on his radar gun the suspect vehicle would have exited the other side of the city leaving the officer with no time to initiate the stop before he was out of his jurisdiction so the judges would automatically toss any ticket that came before them, so only those who didn't contest the ticket and mailed it in ended up paying, thus the disparity in the number of tickets written and the amount of income received. It was so bad that Hampton officers just stopped showing up at court when they were notified to appear for a traffic hearing since they knew it was going to be thrown out anyway they didn't bother to waste their time showing up at court and started targeting vehicles with out of state tags since they were unlikely to return for a hearing.
 
2014-03-09 06:33:41 PM

Pribar: It was so bad that Hampton officers just stopped showing up at court when they were notified to appear for a traffic hearing since they knew it was going to be thrown out anyway they didn't bother to waste their time showing up at court and started targeting vehicles with out of state tags since they were unlikely to return for a hearing.


That's how these towns all do it. They rarely target locals because locals are typically smart enough to know better and can challenge the tickets easily, but an out-of-stater? Money in the bank.
 
2014-03-09 08:19:37 PM
Lawtey and Waldo, two towns where even the locals are afraid to speed. They're right in between Gainesville and Jacksonville, so they get U of F students going between G'ville and JAX.

Dr Jack Badofsky: I assume you're referencing Linndale, which was taken care of years ago. There was an article in Car And Driver about it. Turns out the Linndale council was skimming big time off of fines and was removed from office.


That would have been New Rome. Linndale is still around, but the state legislature nurtured their mayor's court, by requiring a municipality to have 200 residents to have a mayor's court.
 
2014-03-09 08:25:35 PM

DoctorWhat: I'm sure there are local pockets that are better or worse, but in general the highway speed limit is less in Ohio than in the surrounding states and there is a fair amount of traffic cop presence, which leads to a lot of out-of-staters getting tickets. Of course, I lived in Michigan until a year ago, so it's probable that the stories are exaggerated due to the sports-inspired antipathy between the states. I personally have never gotten a ticket while driving through Ohio.


Ohio finally joined the 21st century and made the interstate speed limit 70 (except in certain areas around metropolitan areas). Also, Ohio cops don't discriminate. They'll give you a ticket no matter the plate on your car.
 
2014-03-09 09:52:25 PM

dustman81: That would have been New Rome. Linndale is still around, but the state legislature nurtured their mayor's court, by requiring a municipality to have 200 residents to have a mayor's court.


The word you were looking for was neutered, as in cut its balls off.
 
2014-03-09 10:01:10 PM

varmitydog: Benjimin_Dover: So I take anything can incorporate as a city in FL? 400 people? In NY, you have to have 6000 (or is it 8000) people before you can be a city. Under that and you have to pick village or hamlet or sumsuch.

Most of these small towns were set up between 60 and 90 years ago, for the purpose of getting a post office put there. That was before A/C and the population boom that followed. They changed the rules in 1975 and a lot of little towns lost their status. Although this is an extreme example, there are a lot of these flyspeck little towns in Florida where the town exists solely for the local politicians and city managers bank accounts, and should be swallowed up by either the county or the city that they are suburbs of.


I lived just across the Bay from the Tyndall AFB flightline for about 5 years.  Escaped in 2006.  One of the things I noticed about Panama City and Bay County is that it didn't seem to have any real identity.  If the Air Force and the Navy left, what is there?  The paper mill?  PCB has an identity, even if only for a few weeks a year.  At least Hampton is known for speed traps.
 
2014-03-09 10:10:35 PM

cman: Hampton FL is populated enough that they even have their own town website. They went all out and got a subdomain from Tripod. High speed, folks. For some strange reason it looks like something we saw in 1996 Internet and not 2014 Internet, but hey, some people still cant move on from Microsofts discontinuation of Front Page


But apparently operating a web page isn't easy:

spatula-city.org
 
2014-03-09 10:53:41 PM
Troo: I lived just across the Bay from the Tyndall AFB flightline for about 5 years. Escaped in 2006. One of the things I noticed about Panama City and Bay County is that it didn't seem to have any real identity. If the Air Force and the Navy left, what is there? The paper mill? PCB has an identity, even if only for a few weeks a year. At least Hampton is known for speed traps.

At least 1/2 of the population of Bay County is retired military or children of retired military who went to school here and have never left. They retired here because of all the benefits at the base, housing is cheap and taxes are low. Plus crime is low, compared to other areas. They get jobs in the civil service out at the bases for twenty years or so and then retire. That is the identity of the community. If the two bases were ever shut down the area would become a ghost town. The beach, the paper mill, the shipyard and Trane are minor players in the economy compared to the money the military retirees and the bases bring to it.
 
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2014-03-10 12:15:54 AM

buckler: Ex-Texan: We used to have a town like that in Texas, Selma, that my Dad said ran on speed trap money;.Well, in the early 80's the state expanded their freeway section, made the whole thing elevated. Kinda killed the whole place;.

Crap, that's where I got stopped.


This is too funny!  The Selma jail is now a Hooters.  Selma has pretty much been incorporated into the surrounding areas, but it still exists on paper.  It was a monumental speed trap.  When the speed limit was 55 the fine for doing 56 was about $40.  They made a mint with $40 tickets.  Brings back memories of the Blue Bonnet Palace.  Saw George Strait there when he was just starting out, and I lost my virginity in the parking lot, right on the gravel.

™ good times

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cot
2014-03-10 12:28:36 AM

rwdavis: And this is why the only legal use for the money from speeding tickets should be to throw it in the incinerator.


Make it a rebate to all legally registered drivers in the state.
 
2014-03-10 01:47:46 AM

PunkTiger: Your Hind Brain: cman: Hampton FL is populated enough that they even have their own town website. They went all out and got a subdomain from Tripod. High speed, folks. For some strange reason it looks like something we saw in 1996 Internet and not 2014 Internet, but hey, some people still cant move on from Microsofts discontinuation of Front Page

[cityofhampton.tripod.com image 67x50]
COME BACK AND VISIT OFTEN-

I wouldn't even want to visit their web site. They'd probably think my DSL connection was too fast and send me a speeding ticket.


I'm on wireless, they might try to report me to the FAA.
 
2014-03-10 08:00:09 AM
FTFA: because Florida has seen enough civic shenanigans to lead the nation in federal corruption prosecutions and convictions

Illinois isn't the leader in the corruption department? That has to be the surprise of the week for me!
 
2014-03-10 01:31:56 PM

cot: rwdavis: And this is why the only legal use for the money from speeding tickets should be to throw it in the incinerator.

Make it a rebate to all legally registered drivers in the state.


Why should they get it? They have not been harmed by the actions of speeders.
 
2014-03-10 03:22:52 PM

meow said the dog: Yes listen I can do the seeing of this after the unfortunate deathing of William G. Maysy who was the person doing the pitching of oxy but I also do not think we can have fault of the mayor. Yes it is the scamming of the people who have the speeding to also require these individuals to do the purchasing of the overpriced laundry product which does not have the working as the commercials do the saying of but we also must consider that when William G. Maysy had passing he was the person who was using the drugs and at least the mayor of this town is not the one who is having drug use and merely wishes for selling the oxy product.

Now perhaps I have done the misreading of this and instead many of those who are stopped in the town are the individuals who are of the age 15 or 16 or 17 or if you are the person on the Fark.com website possibly 30 or 40 who do the living with the parents and have the face with the acme product and so this is the oxy product of that variety. If this is the case then we should provide by the DM the Benefit Giving of the Doubtfulness +1 because at least it is not the pill which causes the psychiatric disorders with the ease of the acme product.

I know what is to be said by you and that is MEOW WHAT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE THE CHILDNESS AND MIGHT HAVE THE HITTING BY THE CAR? Well to you I say stop doing the off jacking of the thread because this is not about the children except perhaps those with the stains.

You are welcome.


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Did... did you say meow?
 
2014-03-10 04:55:41 PM

Pribar: AloysiusSnuffleupagus: <snip>
The reason for the discrepancy is that the local judges routinely threw out any ticket from Hampton that came before them since in their view the strip of land that Hampton annexed was insufficiently large to allow for enforcement, Florida law requires the officer to measure the speed and initiate the traffic stop inside their jurisdiction, since the speed limit drops from 65 to 55 at the "border" of Hampton, the strip of city annexed property on US 301 was so small and the officer couldn't legally measure the speed of the approaching vehicle until it crossed the border of Hampton by the time the officer could aim and get a reading on his radar gun the suspect vehicle would have exited the other side of the city leaving the officer with no time to initiate the stop before he was out of his jurisdiction so the judges would automatically toss any ticket that came before them, so only those who didn't contest the ticket and mailed it in ended up paying, thus the disparity in the number of tickets written and the amount of income received. It was so bad that Hampton officers just stopped showing up at court when they were notified to appear for a traffic hearing since they knew it w ...


Thanks for the key detail the CNN article failed to mention.  Just makes the whole story screwier, really.  Money-losing speed trap.  That's a new one to me.
 
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