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2014-03-09 08:29:14 AM  
Sherman Helmsley?
 
2014-03-09 08:54:19 AM  
Rooster Cogburn?
 
2014-03-09 08:55:01 AM  
Mitch Cumstein?
 
2014-03-09 08:56:18 AM  
Rusty Kuntz?
 
2014-03-09 09:01:58 AM  
Someone whose ancestors recently came down from the trees who wants to bask in the warm glow she'll see from her house?

[not to mention being downrange of any fallout]
 
2014-03-09 09:03:19 AM  
IDK, my BFF, Jill?
 
2014-03-09 09:05:15 AM  
Thomas Schelling?
 
2014-03-09 09:08:17 AM  
Wow... they're dead set on starting World War 3, aren't they?
 
2014-03-09 09:14:04 AM  

serpent_sky: Wow... they're dead set on starting World War 3, aren't they?


Well we're long overdue. WWI and WWII were like a week apart and then nothing for almost 70 years. WTF?
 
2014-03-09 09:18:02 AM  

serpent_sky: Wow... they're dead set on starting World War 3, aren't they?


There's not one word that's come out of cpac that wasn't full on retarded.

Putting them all in one place to see how high the feedback squeal would go has been illuminating. There really is no limit.

Now it's time to padlock the doors and slap on a sign that reads "Insane Asylum".
 
2014-03-09 09:26:07 AM  
OJ Simpson
 
2014-03-09 09:32:53 AM  
John McCain's sh*t-dripping incontinent asshole
 
2014-03-09 09:40:52 AM  
She wants to get raptured before she needs another facelift.
 
2014-03-09 09:42:18 AM  
Jack Ripper?
 
2014-03-09 09:42:43 AM  
Hulk Hogan?
 
2014-03-09 09:44:40 AM  
That guy from Spaceballs with a comically big helmet?
 
2014-03-09 09:46:46 AM  

Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential candidate, has offered unsolicited advice


Her? Offering unsolicited advice? Teh hell you say!


/she's looking pretty rough these days

 
2014-03-09 09:50:27 AM  
Munchma Quchi?
 
2014-03-09 09:53:26 AM  

Mugato: Sarah Palin, 
/she's looking pretty rough these days


Yeah,
I would not watch her talk on Fox, I would not stick one in her box.
 
2014-03-09 09:57:45 AM  
How do you get that concentration of lunacy in one place and not have at least one person trying to be reasonable.  CPAC has become the latest incarnation of the Four Yorkshiremen sketch.
 
2014-03-09 09:59:21 AM  
Slut Bumwalla?
 
2014-03-09 10:00:16 AM  
El Guapo?
 
2014-03-09 10:00:21 AM  

grokca: Mugato: Sarah Palin,
/she's looking pretty rough these days

Yeah,
I would not watch her talk on Fox, I would not stick one in her box.


Well she never was "hot" like people say. I guess if you're grading on a curve like politicians, HR workers, gym teachers then okay.

So Republicans, still angry Obama won? Otherwise, McCain would have had a stroke his first week in office and we'd be living in a post nuclear dystopia by now. Road Warrior, Godzilla awoken, mass hysteria.
 
2014-03-09 10:05:52 AM  
Englebert Slaptyback?
 
2014-03-09 10:12:12 AM  
And 46% of Americans considered this woman to be VP/Presidential material in 2008.
 
2014-03-09 10:21:16 AM  

mutterfark: And 46% of voting Americans considered this woman to be VP/Presidential material in 2008.


FTFY
 
2014-03-09 10:29:46 AM  

HawgWild: mutterfark: And 46% of voting Americans considered this woman to be VP/Presidential material in 2008.

FTFY


Fair enough. But I don't know if any polls were taken to find out what the children, prisoners and mentally incompetent felt about Mrs. Palin.;b
 
2014-03-09 10:32:50 AM  

HawgWild: Slut Bumwalla?


HawgWild: Englebert Slaptyback?


Engelbarack Fartybama, B.Rock 'The Islamic Shock' HUSSEIN Fartbongo, Slaptytits Funkybama, BOB, Blackula Honkybongo....

Wait, wait, go back one.
 
2014-03-09 10:37:46 AM  
She's so farking stupid it's mind boggling.
 
2014-03-09 10:38:33 AM  
Hammurabi?
 
2014-03-09 10:39:40 AM  
She's the best (7th grade mentality) foreign policy mind out there!
 
2014-03-09 10:40:20 AM  
'Republican speaker says something stupid. Guess which one.'

Umm....could you narrow it down just a tad?
 
2014-03-09 10:41:44 AM  

NeverDrunk23: 'Republican speaker says something stupid. Guess which one.'

Umm....could you narrow it down just a tad?


or "a tard" in this case
 
2014-03-09 10:42:02 AM  

HawgWild: mutterfark: And 46% of voting Americans considered this woman to be VP/Presidential material in 2008.

FTFY


If that isn't a solid argument for mandatory/compulsory voting, I don't know what is.
 
2014-03-09 10:43:08 AM  
It's like her shiat is written by ex-cops weaned on Dirty Harry. "Very, very bad dudes" is cop oversell for how tough their job is, usually harassing the homeless and petty offenders. They are always "bad dudes".
 
2014-03-09 10:43:35 AM  
Dick Gazinya?
 
2014-03-09 10:43:46 AM  
*shrugs* everything the US does is talk anyways
 
2014-03-09 10:44:30 AM  
Slab Bulkhead?
 
2014-03-09 10:44:54 AM  
Weedlord Bonehitler?
 
2014-03-09 10:44:58 AM  
My serious guess was Dick Cheney.
 
2014-03-09 10:45:01 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: HawgWild: Slut Bumwalla?

HawgWild: Englebert Slaptyback?

Engelbarack Fartybama, B.Rock 'The Islamic Shock' HUSSEIN Fartbongo, Slaptytits Funkybama, BOB, Blackula Honkybongo....

Wait, wait, go back one.


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-09 10:45:03 AM  
Oh who are we kidding?  Dipshiats eat this crap up.  Need proof?  Just take a look at Freep threads.
 
2014-03-09 10:45:03 AM  
Was it this guy?

www.donegaldollop.com
 
2014-03-09 10:45:57 AM  
I'll bet it was Tina Fey.

Two to one.
 
2014-03-09 10:48:21 AM  
This one seems appropriate:

stream1.gifsoup.com
 
2014-03-09 10:48:26 AM  

Mugato: she's looking pretty rough these days


Her jowls are starting to show.
 
2014-03-09 10:48:30 AM  
I think this is one thing that democrats and reasonable republicans can agree on

thank Fark that Palin is history
 
2014-03-09 10:48:57 AM  
 
2014-03-09 10:49:02 AM  
Gene Masseth?
 
2014-03-09 10:49:38 AM  
People wanted her to be president.

She was in the running for vice president. Of an entire country.
 
2014-03-09 10:50:32 AM  
This is Obama's one chance for the Right to see him as a good guy. Then, next time they call him Hitler for feeding poor people or getting sick people medical treatment he can play this clip back, along with the footage of Moscow glowing green, and they'll love him again.
 
2014-03-09 10:51:01 AM  

Mugato: serpent_sky: Wow... they're dead set on starting World War 3, aren't they?

Well we're long overdue. WWI and WWII were like a week apart and then nothing for almost 70 years. WTF?


I know, it's almost like nuclear deterrence works...which is exactly what she was saying
 
2014-03-09 10:51:20 AM  

megarian: People wanted her to be president.

She was in the running for vice president. Of an entire country.


Speak for yourself, sister ...
 
2014-03-09 10:51:21 AM  
Yakov Smirnoff?
 
2014-03-09 10:51:50 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Mugato: serpent_sky: Wow... they're dead set on starting World War 3, aren't they?

Well we're long overdue. WWI and WWII were like a week apart and then nothing for almost 70 years. WTF?

I know, it's almost like nuclear deterrence works...which is exactly what she was saying


And what makes you say it is not working now?
 
2014-03-09 10:52:38 AM  
That stupid biatch should keep her pie hole shut. Nobody wants to hear about using tried and tested techniques on how to deal with nuke superpowers. We have a big red pen that we can draw big red lines with and a red phone that we can make stern phone calls with. Keep your conservatard warmongering to your yourself.
 
2014-03-09 10:52:49 AM  
Heywood Jablome?
 
2014-03-09 10:53:57 AM  
If only Sarah had gotten her hands on the launch codes -- what a utopia she'd have created for true freedom-loving Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhAobPugvsk
 
2014-03-09 10:54:01 AM  

Mugato: Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential candidate, has offered unsolicited advice
Her? Offering unsolicited advice? Teh hell you say!
/she's looking pretty rough these days


One might even say that she looks ... tired.
 
2014-03-09 10:54:43 AM  

HawgWild: megarian: People that shouldn't be allowed to opperate any type of machinery more complicated than a toaster wanted her to be president.

She was in the running for vice president. Of an entire country.

Speak for yourself, sister ...


FTFM
 
2014-03-09 10:54:51 AM  
That weird cousin from "Perfect Strangers?"
 
2014-03-09 10:54:58 AM  
Do these rightards think that Americans are radiation-proof???
 
2014-03-09 10:55:08 AM  
Zombie Curtis LeMay?
 
2014-03-09 10:55:24 AM  
Simplistic worldviews to comfort simplistic voters.
 
2014-03-09 10:55:31 AM  
Ok. But it doesn't really do anything to diminish the way that Obama *has* royally farked up with Putin. Twice now.
 
2014-03-09 10:55:35 AM  
Charleton Heston?
 
2014-03-09 10:55:51 AM  
The black dude from "Ghostbusters?"
 
2014-03-09 10:56:00 AM  

megarian: HawgWild: megarian: People that shouldn't be allowed to opperate any type of machinery more complicated than a toaster wanted her to be president.

She was in the running for vice president. Of an entire country.

Speak for yourself, sister ...

FTFM


Better ...

/you misspelled "operate"
 
2014-03-09 10:56:16 AM  
Well, by that reasoning we should all be glad someone in this world besides the US has nukes.
 
2014-03-09 10:56:28 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Ok. But it doesn't really do anything to diminish the way that Obama *has* royally farked up with Putin. Twice now.


How so?
 
2014-03-09 10:57:02 AM  

brap: That guy from Spaceballs with a comically big helmet?

Well she never was "hot" like people say. I guess if you're grading on a curve like politicians, HR workers, gym teachers then okay.


I will say despite the levels of crazy, she's better looking than Hillary "Pruneface" Clinton. Not by a lot though.

So Republicans, still angry Obama won? Otherwise, McCain would have had a stroke his first week in office and we'd be living in a post nuclear dystopia by now. Road Warrior, Godzilla awoken, mass hysteria.

I for one welcome our Godzilla overlords.

brap: That guy from Spaceballs with a comically big helmet?


www.spacetimestudios.com
 
gja
2014-03-09 10:57:16 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: She wants to get raptured before she needs another facelift.


Too late....
 
2014-03-09 10:57:19 AM  

Graffito: Mugato: Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential candidate, has offered unsolicited advice
Her? Offering unsolicited advice? Teh hell you say!
/she's looking pretty rough these days

One might even say that she looks ... tired.


Coming up with fresh Derp takes a lot of energy.
 
2014-03-09 10:57:22 AM  

mutterfark: HawgWild: mutterfark: And 46% of voting Americans considered this woman to be VP/Presidential material in 2008.

FTFY

Fair enough. But I don't know if any polls were taken to find out what the children, prisoners and mentally incompetent felt about Mrs. Palin.;b


46% to the last category....
 
2014-03-09 10:57:26 AM  
John McClane?
 
2014-03-09 10:57:37 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Mugato: serpent_sky: Wow... they're dead set on starting World War 3, aren't they?

Well we're long overdue. WWI and WWII were like a week apart and then nothing for almost 70 years. WTF?

I know, it's almost like nuclear deterrence works...which is exactly what she was saying


MMmmmyeeaahhh - see, the thing about nukes is - that "deterrence" thing only works up until the point you actually toss one at somebody who has some too.
 
2014-03-09 10:57:44 AM  
The kid from the Dell commercials?

"Dude, you're getting a  DellNuclear war!"
 
2014-03-09 10:57:47 AM  

gnosis301: IDK, my BFF, Jill?


fc09.deviantart.net

/honest-to-god laughed out loud when I read that.  Bravo.
 
2014-03-09 10:58:28 AM  
Jake, from State Farm?
 
2014-03-09 10:58:42 AM  

HawgWild: megarian: HawgWild: megarian: People that shouldn't be allowed to opperate any type of machinery more complicated than a toaster wanted her to be president.

She was in the running for vice president. Of an entire country.

Speak for yourself, sister ...

FTFM

Better ...

/you misspelled "operate"


Wow...

I am not allowed to OPERATE a touch-screen phone in the morning. Or toasters.
 
2014-03-09 10:59:04 AM  
It was Oprah, wasn't it?

I bet it was Oprah.
 
2014-03-09 10:59:12 AM  
Ellen Ripley?
 
2014-03-09 11:00:08 AM  
Jake, from State Farm?
 
2014-03-09 11:00:17 AM  
Sometimes, just for fun, I like to imagine what these Republican talking heads would say if it was, say, Sonora or the Bajas who wanted to escape the corruption and drug trade in Mexico to become protectorates of the USA, and how they'd respond to Russia telling the USA what the fark to do.

I think the whole upcoming Crimean referendum is great. As long as the UN can ensure that it's actually Crimeans and only Crimeans doing the voting.
 
2014-03-09 11:00:20 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: John McCain's sh*t-dripping incontinent asshole


No fair, you clicked the link first...
 
2014-03-09 11:00:46 AM  

Graffito: Coming on a Bicycle: Ok. But it doesn't really do anything to diminish the way that Obama *has* royally farked up with Putin. Twice now.

How so?


Twice now, Obama has said 'to here and no further' to Putin. The first time (Syria) he just didn't follow through; this time it looks like he simply has no way to follow through. He should learn when to speak and when not to speak, because this is the sort of thing (the 'red line' thing) that you can only use sparingly, and then only when you have the possibility, the means and the guts to actually do something.
 
2014-03-09 11:00:50 AM  

wxboy: My serious guess was Dick Cheney.


I thought Ted Nugent.
 
2014-03-09 11:01:04 AM  
It's too bad obama already have up on ukraine.

Putin outsmarted the Nobel peace prize winner.
 
2014-03-09 11:01:17 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Gdalescrboz: Mugato: serpent_sky: Wow... they're dead set on starting World War 3, aren't they?

Well we're long overdue. WWI and WWII were like a week apart and then nothing for almost 70 years. WTF?

I know, it's almost like nuclear deterrence works...which is exactly what she was saying

And what makes you say it is not working now?


Nothing, she isn't being bashed for stating the obvious, she's being bashed because a lot of people don't understand what she said IS obvious
 
2014-03-09 11:01:50 AM  

stevenboof: Jake, from State Farm?


Damn, by two minutes.
 
2014-03-09 11:01:58 AM  
WE'RE THE GOOD GUYS, THEY"RE THE BAD GUYS.

THAT'S HOW FOREIGN POLICY WORKS.
 
2014-03-09 11:02:30 AM  

grokca: Mugato: Sarah Palin, 
/she's looking pretty rough these days

Yeah,
I would not watch her talk on Fox, I would not stick one in her box.


I would not vote for her in an election

She might try, but could not give me am erection
 
2014-03-09 11:03:21 AM  
Ted Nugent?
 
2014-03-09 11:03:31 AM  
That stupid gecko from the car insurance ads?

Mischievous little turd. I hate that stupid lizard almost as much as I hate that annoying little insurance duck.
 
2014-03-09 11:03:36 AM  

Graffito: Mugato: Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential candidate, has offered unsolicited advice
Her? Offering unsolicited advice? Teh hell you say!
/she's looking pretty rough these days

One might even say that she looks ... tired.


Well played, Graffito....well played.

As for myself, I should point out that although I'm NOT defending Sarah's words - even THINKING about nukes in a matter like this is beyond insane and deserves a biatchslapping of Biblical proportions - she is right to the extent that we are slowly dismantling the deterrent.  There has been a lot of talk about making the ICBM force go away, especially after the performance of the launch crews over the last few years.  The bomber force is now down to the B-2s and the B-52s (the B-1s are non-nuclear capable by treaty and can't be made so again without long refits) and the missile subs are due to be replaced in the late 2020s, but some of them may be decommed long before that due to maintenance and age issues.  Let's face it - there's going to be people who will try to pull things if they think they won't have to face the ultimate sanction.  This isn't one of those times, but it's possible.
 
2014-03-09 11:04:05 AM  
The president of the NRA?

/Is that still Charlton Heston or did he get killed too?
 
2014-03-09 11:04:51 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-09 11:05:45 AM  
I bet it was Grimace.

I never trusted that purple f*ck.
 
2014-03-09 11:07:06 AM  
Hey Saristimo we still have nukes...just sayin'
 
2014-03-09 11:07:13 AM  
That woman could have been Vice President right now.
 
2014-03-09 11:07:41 AM  
Considering "nuke control" took away Ukraine's nuclear stockpile, is she advocating the selling of nuclear weapons to other countries to protect themselves?

A nuclear armed society is a polite society.
/then a glowing one.
 
2014-03-09 11:07:48 AM  
Subby wants to stop world ending violence with a ham sandwich and two chihuahuas ..

World does not recognize his dementia .. goes on killing spree anyway
 
2014-03-09 11:09:24 AM  
Well, bless her little heart.
 
2014-03-09 11:09:44 AM  
You guys are all way off base. She was actually complimenting Obama. Obama is the "good guy with a nuke" that could stop Putin. Do you think Putin would listen to a word Obama says diplomatically if we didn't have nukes?
 
2014-03-09 11:10:21 AM  

starsrift: Sometimes, just for fun, I like to imagine what these Republican talking heads would say if it was, say, Sonora or the Bajas who wanted to escape the corruption and drug trade in Mexico to become protectorates of the USA, and how they'd respond to Russia telling the USA what the fark to do.

I think the whole upcoming Crimean referendum is great. As long as the UN can ensure that it's actually Crimeans and only Crimeans doing the voting.


Are you insinuating that the US and Russia can be, in any conceivable way, considered equals?

We wouldn't listen to them, because they're not us.  They need to listen to us, because we are us.

Don't forget that we run this show!

One world.  America.
 
2014-03-09 11:10:48 AM  
heh i said shiat like that while troling thinking it was the most absurdly ridiculous thing to say, something that's becoming far too common lately.
 
2014-03-09 11:11:01 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If only Sarah had gotten her hands on the launch codes -- what a utopia she'd have created for true freedom-loving Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhAobPugvsk


Mr. Coffee Nerves, you magnificent bastard!! Smartly done sir.
 
2014-03-09 11:11:17 AM  

Soon Right Away: This is Obama's one chance for the Right to see him as a good guy. Then, next time they call him Hitler for feeding poor people or getting sick people medical treatment he can play this clip back, along with the footage of Moscow glowing green, and they'll love him again.


First thing I noted. She's implying that Obama is a "good guy"? WTF?
 
2014-03-09 11:13:04 AM  
McLovin?
 
2014-03-09 11:13:08 AM  

williesleg: It's too bad obama already have up on ukraine.

Putin outsmarted the Nobel peace prize winner.


2/10, but one point more only because you misspelled "gave"
 
2014-03-09 11:14:14 AM  
Someone with a vague understanding of MAD?
 
2014-03-09 11:15:05 AM  

furterfan: I think this is one thing that democrats and reasonable republicans can agree on

thank Fark that Palin is history


And Santa Clause, and the Easter Bunny...
 
2014-03-09 11:15:07 AM  
Gah! How could I forget?!

www.moneysavingmadness.com
 
2014-03-09 11:15:35 AM  

Mr. Rogers?

brucemhood.files.wordpress.com

Seriously, though:  I try to be fair, even to people who are downright horrible human beings.

Was what Palin said in the context of a joke?  I'm not going to read/watch her entire talk since I already have a bad headache, but if she was making a (no doubt lousy) joke this should be made clearer in fairness to the woman.
 
2014-03-09 11:17:27 AM  
For a minute there, I thought one of Fark's guns-rights-open-carry-fanatics got an invite to CPAC.
 
2014-03-09 11:18:19 AM  

serpent_sky: Wow... they're dead set on starting World War 3, aren't they?


Well, it's not going to start itself.
 
2014-03-09 11:18:50 AM  
Six from the beloved American sitcom "Blossom?"
 
2014-03-09 11:19:22 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Do these rightards think that Americans are radiation-proof???


Yes, it's part of american exceptionalism.
 
2014-03-09 11:19:44 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: furterfan: I think this is one thing that democrats and reasonable republicans can agree on

thank Fark that Palin is history

And Santa Clause, and the Easter Bunny...


So a reasonable Republican, Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and my girlfriend in Canada pull up to a four way stop...
 
2014-03-09 11:20:22 AM  
Masterblaster, from a post-apocalyptic future
 
2014-03-09 11:20:45 AM  
Rustin Cohle?
 
2014-03-09 11:20:51 AM  
Kilroy?

At least he was there.
 
2014-03-09 11:21:44 AM  

TinyFist: That stupid gecko from the car insurance ads?

Mischievous little turd. I hate that stupid lizard almost as much as I hate that annoying little insurance duck.


Ben Aflac?
 
2014-03-09 11:22:27 AM  
She'll be able to see the mushroom cloud from her front yard
 
2014-03-09 11:22:46 AM  

Mugato: Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential candidate, has offered unsolicited advice
Her? Offering unsolicited advice? Teh hell you say!
/she's looking pretty rough these days


Hate will do that to ya.
 
2014-03-09 11:23:03 AM  
Desmond and Molly Jones?
 
2014-03-09 11:23:53 AM  
Miss Utah 1997?
 
2014-03-09 11:27:09 AM  

Gosling: That woman could have been Vice President right now.


3.bp.blogspot.com



More likely president. When you see pictures showing how fast presidents age due to the stress of the job...I seriously doubt McCain would still be around today.

President. Palin.  Think about that for a bit.
 
2014-03-09 11:27:49 AM  
I'm guessing it was one of these two who gave him that advice?:

www.geekenstein.com

Oh, whoops, wait, just read the article. I'd rather go with Xander or Killface's ideas on this one. Palin convincing me of anything is like trying to convince a eunuch to get a vasectomy.
 
2014-03-09 11:28:07 AM  

puckrock2000: Gene Masseth?


LOL
 
2014-03-09 11:28:17 AM  
I'm glad the Democrats are here to show us how to treat women.
 
2014-03-09 11:29:57 AM  
Sure are a lot of glib comments here.  But, I know, humor eases fear.  Fear of the understanding that her words are, once again, truth.

Well, go on, yuk it up. Better do that now.   When the bad guys win, we'll see who is laughing at Obama.

Putin, that's who.  Putin will be laughing at Obama.
 
2014-03-09 11:30:08 AM  
Red meat tossed out to the base at a political convention for the base? The hell you say!
 
2014-03-09 11:30:21 AM  
As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.
 
2014-03-09 11:30:28 AM  

edmo: Jack Ripper?


merryfrolics.files.wordpress.com

Nessie?
 
2014-03-09 11:30:56 AM  
At first I thought 'Someone needs to unplug her microphone'. Then I thought "No, someone needs to choke her with the cord and then shove the mic down her throat".

/oddly violent for such a nice morning.
 
2014-03-09 11:32:30 AM  
I fondly remember the first five minutes when I first heard a woman was tagged as the VP running mate.  I was thinking, oh, maybe a strong role model for my daughters.  Then I learned a bit about her, then I heard her rabble rousing.  I hate extremists who can't even bother to try to understand the point of view of others.
 
2014-03-09 11:32:57 AM  

SlothB77: I'm glad the Democrats are here to show us how to treat women.


Somebody has to, because you certainly don't know how to.  Unless you wanted to go digging around in Palin's vagina because it's the government's business.  Or perhaps you wanted to make sure she's earning "just enough" because of her gender.  Or maybe you're all afraid she'll want Bristol to join the Army?  Or maybe, in your mind, she was simply asking for it.
 
2014-03-09 11:33:16 AM  

CanisNoir: Red meat tossed out to the base at a political convention for the base? The hell you say!


Real Americans.
 
2014-03-09 11:33:19 AM  

traylor: Ellen Ripley?


To be fair, it IS the only way to be sure.
 
2014-03-09 11:33:37 AM  

OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.


You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es
 
2014-03-09 11:35:05 AM  
mutterfark: And 46% of voting Americans considered this woman to be VP/Presidential material in 2008.

As opposed to the truly wise who considered these guys presidential material.

images.politico.com

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2014-03-09 11:35:32 AM  

rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es


The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.
 
2014-03-09 11:35:40 AM  

SlothB77: I'm glad the Democrats are here to show us how to treat women.


The Moon Cannot Be Stolen

Ryokan, a Zen master, lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot of a mountain. One evening a thief visited the hut only to discover there was nothing to steal.
Ryokan returned and caught him. "You have come a long way to visit me," he told the prowler, "and you should not return empty-handed. Please take my clothes as a gift."
The thief was bewildered. He took the clothes and slunk away.
Ryoken sat naked, watching the moon. "Poor fellow," he mused, "I wish I could have given him this beautiful moon."
 i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-09 11:35:42 AM  
Paul Anka's asscrack?
 
2014-03-09 11:37:18 AM  

sendtodave: rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es

The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.


Really?  Ukraine is an ally?  When did that happen?  You mean like Georgia?
 
2014-03-09 11:38:14 AM  

rohar: sendtodave: rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es

The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.

Really?  Ukraine is an ally?  When did that happen?  You mean like Georgia?


Close enough.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Any excuse to attack Russia, really.
 
2014-03-09 11:38:23 AM  

Riche: Gosling: That woman could have been Vice President right now.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 296x267]

More likely president. When you see pictures showing how fast presidents age due to the stress of the job...I seriously doubt McCain would still be around today.

President. Palin.  Think about that for a bit.


That or a Palin would have witnessed him having an "accident".

Palin is proof that the statement "If women ran the world there would be no war" is absolute bullshiat.
 
2014-03-09 11:38:43 AM  
"Guess who gave this advice on how the US should handle Putin, ''Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.'' Go on, guess"

I'll bet it was  sendtodave.

I'm giving 2:1 odds.
 
2014-03-09 11:39:11 AM  
Did Sarah Palin get a boob job?  I can't find any confirmation, but there are pics where it appears her chest grew after the '08 campaign.
 
2014-03-09 11:40:09 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: Graffito: Mugato: Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential candidate, has offered unsolicited advice
Her? Offering unsolicited advice? Teh hell you say!
/she's looking pretty rough these days

One might even say that she looks ... tired.

Well played, Graffito....well played.

As for myself, I should point out that although I'm NOT defending Sarah's words - even THINKING about nukes in a matter like this is beyond insane and deserves a biatchslapping of Biblical proportions - she is right to the extent that we are slowly dismantling the deterrent.  There has been a lot of talk about making the ICBM force go away, especially after the performance of the launch crews over the last few years.  The bomber force is now down to the B-2s and the B-52s (the B-1s are non-nuclear capable by treaty and can't be made so again without long refits) and the missile subs are due to be replaced in the late 2020s, but some of them may be decommed long before that due to maintenance and age issues.  Let's face it - there's going to be people who will try to pull things if they think they won't have to face the ultimate sanction.  This isn't one of those times, but it's possible.


How many nukes, exactly, do you think we need?  One for every major city in the world, plus ever minor one?
 
2014-03-09 11:40:24 AM  

SlothB77: I'm glad the Democrats are here to show us how to treat women.


I am so glad republicans are around to make comments on how hot she is, cause what women really desire is to know that looks are considered more important than intelligence or experience.
 
2014-03-09 11:40:26 AM  

TinyFist: "Guess who gave this advice on how the US should handle Putin, ''Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.'' Go on, guess"

I'll bet it was  sendtodave.

I'm giving 2:1 odds.


Shakes you.
 
2014-03-09 11:42:19 AM  

sendtodave: rohar: sendtodave: rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es

The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.

Really?  Ukraine is an ally?  When did that happen?  You mean like Georgia?

Close enough.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Any excuse to attack Russia, really.


You realize we signed virtually the same agreement with Jordan right?  If Israel gets a little fast and loose with it's borders, do we have to attack Israel and defend Jordan?

On top of that, Ukrainian weaponry keeps showing up in Afghanistan to help our enemies kill us.  If my enemy's enemy is my friend, my enemy's friend must be my enemy no?
 
2014-03-09 11:43:01 AM  

macross87: Good. Bad. I'm the one with the nuke....


I came to chew bubble gum and nuke you, and I'm all out of bubble gum.
 
2014-03-09 11:46:13 AM  

rohar: sendtodave: rohar: sendtodave: rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es

The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.

Really?  Ukraine is an ally?  When did that happen?  You mean like Georgia?

Close enough.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Any excuse to attack Russia, really.

You realize we signed virtually the same agreement with Jordan right?  If Israel gets a little fast and loose with it's borders, do we have to attack Israel and defend Jordan?

On top of that, Ukrainian weaponry keeps showing up in Afghanistan to help our enemies kill us.  If my enemy's enemy is my friend, my enemy's friend must be my enemy no?


I would be okay with it.
 
2014-03-09 11:46:29 AM  

rohar: You realize we signed virtually the same agreement with Jordan right?  If Israel gets a little fast and loose with it's borders, do we have to attack Israel and defend Jordan?

On top of that, Ukrainian weaponry keeps showing up in Afghanistan to help our enemies kill us.  If my enemy's enemy is my friend, my enemy's friend must be my enemy no?


Of course not!  Israel is one of the good guys.  As for terrorists getting Ukrainian weapons, well, we can invade Ukraine later, to make sure they stay safe, if we need to.

Anyway, this is all piffle.  Doesn't anyone remember the cold war?  Good guys versus bad guys?

And, when it ended, the promise of a world led by us, the good guys?  A New American Century.

People like Sarah Palin remember.  They remember when we were the good guys.  The shining city on the hill.

Not cynics like you.
 
2014-03-09 11:47:25 AM  

Riche: ... President. Palin.  Think about that for a bit.


Palin As President
 
2014-03-09 11:49:55 AM  

TinyFist: I bet it was Grimace.

I never trusted that purple f*ck.


Uncle O'grimacey .

i.imgur.com

/It's Shamrock Shake season again
 
2014-03-09 11:51:47 AM  
Failing to show peace through strength has allowed some ''very, very, very bad dudes [to] gain ground'', said Ms Palin, who remains a darling of the far-right.


 Jesus.   She just doesn't know anything.  Is this really the best she could come up with?
 
2014-03-09 11:53:53 AM  
At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.
 
2014-03-09 11:53:56 AM  

bobothemagnificent: [img.fark.net image 233x216]


Hillary comparing Putin's takeover of Crimea to Hitler's takeover of Sudetenland shows her poor grasp of history, but comparing Obama's reaction to Putin to Chamberlain's reaction to Hitler is somehow spot-on?

I'd suggest that the cognitive dissonance should be palpable, but then I remembered that, odds are, conservatives can't actually tell us what Chamberlain did and with regards to what event.
 
2014-03-09 11:56:10 AM  

sendtodave: CanisNoir: Red meat tossed out to the base at a political convention for the base? The hell you say!

Real Americans.


As opposed to those fake Americans? Meh. We're pretty hemmed into following Europes lead on this one so it's become a rhetorical dick waving contest. I seem to remember Obama leveling criticism of Bush policies that he gleefully embraced once he sat in the captians chair. Things look differently when your in the hot seat. This type of hyperbolic rhetoric is not unusual for either party to spout in the run up to an election.
 
2014-03-09 11:56:21 AM  
Zap Rowsdower?
 
2014-03-09 11:56:53 AM  

Chris Ween: El Guapo?


All we need for peaceful negotiations is a plethora of pinatas and a sweater.
 
2014-03-09 11:58:30 AM  
Anybody want to do the math to see how long it would take, and the mission profile of a TU-160/ Tu-22 (yes I know they are naval attack) raid to dart across the pole with a thermobaric weapon payload to attack NY, TO and DC? How about nerve gas?

The United States has never fought a war with a country with that kind of conventional capability, let alone nuclear.

With tankers, a small flight might be able to do it, and get away before intercept.

You can only poke this guy so much.

Madness.
 
2014-03-09 12:01:49 PM  

jeffjo52: Riche: Gosling: That woman could have been Vice President right now.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 296x267]

More likely president. When you see pictures showing how fast presidents age due to the stress of the job...I seriously doubt McCain would still be around today.

President. Palin.  Think about that for a bit.

That or a Palin would have witnessed him having an "accident".

Palin is proof that the statement "If women ran the world there would be no war" is absolute bullshiat.


Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandhi, Golda Meir, Madeline Albright, Condoleezza Rice, Hillary Clinton,  Queen Elizabeth, Catherine the Great...
 
2014-03-09 12:02:45 PM  

Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.



Aww, the baby trolls are so cute when they take their first steps.
 
2014-03-09 12:03:08 PM  
Ukraine must not have oil, otherwise we wouldve already invaded and called it a peace keeping mission.
 
2014-03-09 12:04:26 PM  

Mugato: grokca: Mugato: Sarah Palin,
/she's looking pretty rough these days

Yeah,
I would not watch her talk on Fox, I would not stick one in her box.

Well she never was "hot" like people say. I guess if you're grading on a curve like politicians, HR workers, gym teachers then okay.

So Republicans, still angry Obama won? Otherwise, McCain would have had a stroke his first week in office and we'd be living in a post nuclear dystopia by now. Road Warrior, Godzilla awoken, mass hysteria.


Could be worse. Like dogs and cats living together worse.
 
2014-03-09 12:04:50 PM  

sendtodave: rohar: sendtodave: rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es

The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.

Really?  Ukraine is an ally?  When did that happen?  You mean like Georgia?

Close enough.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Any excuse to attack Russia, really.


It's not as cut and dry as all that. We're (mistakenly) relying upon Russia to act as a partner in Syria and American businesses have financial interests over there that make eben sanctions and isolation difficult let alone a shooting war.
 
2014-03-09 12:07:07 PM  
I'm not saying Sarah Palin is insane, but Joffrey Baratheon called to tell her to tone it down a little.
 
2014-03-09 12:07:27 PM  

CanisNoir: sendtodave: rohar: sendtodave: rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es

The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.

Really?  Ukraine is an ally?  When did that happen?  You mean like Georgia?

Close enough.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Any excuse to attack Russia, really.

It's not as cut and dry as all that. We're (mistakenly) relying upon Russia to act as a partner in Syria and American businesses have financial interests over there that make eben sanctions and isolation difficult let alone a shooting war.


I can't go any more over the top, or my head will explode.
 
2014-03-09 12:10:05 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Do these rightards think that Americans are radiation-proof???


They think that America can destroy Russia before Russia can launch their own nukes back. They also honestly don't care if Europe gets nuked since there is next to nothing that they get from Europe (that they know of) so there is no personal loss for them.

And if the radiation does get to America, they are quite sure that in a few days, maybe as long as a month, there will be treatment provided free to them if they need it.
 
2014-03-09 12:10:38 PM  
The Republican former vice-presidential candidate used a predominantly crass tone throughout her appearance at the Conservative Political Action Conference.


i1.wp.com
 
2014-03-09 12:11:05 PM  
At least she didnt compare Russia to Nazi Germany.
 
2014-03-09 12:11:27 PM  

sendtodave: CanisNoir: sendtodave: rohar: sendtodave: rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es

The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.

Really?  Ukraine is an ally?  When did that happen?  You mean like Georgia?

Close enough.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Any excuse to attack Russia, really.

It's not as cut and dry as all that. We're (mistakenly) relying upon Russia to act as a partner in Syria and American businesses have financial interests over there that make eben sanctions and isolation difficult let alone a shooting war.

I can't go any more over the top, or my head will explode.


I started picking up the troll vibe a post ago. Nicely played.
 
2014-03-09 12:12:41 PM  

TinyFist: That weird cousin from "Perfect Strangers?"


Don't be ridiculous!


sendtodave: Close enough. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Any excuse to attack Russia, really.


Now that's a subtle troll.


But, seriously, it appears we need to give Nukes to any country that may be threatened by our enemies, starting with Ukraine.  Hopefully, they'll remember who gave them the nukes and stay eternally grateful, as they should.

Palin is wrong, unsurprisingly.  Really, nukes are only a deterrent to NUCLEAR war, not limited, conventional wars occurring in other countries.  No one can be deterred from taken action when they know that, even if you have nukes, you will never use nukes because it would destroy the entire planet.
 
2014-03-09 12:15:14 PM  

sendtodave: We've grown so weak under liberals.


Yeah, like that tree hugger Obama who said he didn't care about finding the guy behind 9/11. Oh wait, that could have been someone else I was thinking of.
 
2014-03-09 12:16:29 PM  

IntertubeUser: Did Sarah Palin get a boob job?  I can't find any confirmation, but there are pics where it appears her chest grew after the '08 campaign.


She denies Todd her essence. Or her breast milk is retarded.
 
2014-03-09 12:18:34 PM  

jso2897: Gdalescrboz: Mugato: serpent_sky: Wow... they're dead set on starting World War 3, aren't they?

Well we're long overdue. WWI and WWII were like a week apart and then nothing for almost 70 years. WTF?

I know, it's almost like nuclear deterrence works...which is exactly what she was saying

MMmmmyeeaahhh - see, the thing about nukes is - that "deterrence" thing only works up until the point you actually toss one at somebody who has some too.


I don't think that's what she meant. No one, not even Putin will get into a nuclear war over the farking Ukraine, Except maybe her.
 
2014-03-09 12:18:41 PM  
Mitt Romney?
Pat Buchanan?
Pat Robertson?
Subby's Mom?
 
2014-03-09 12:18:42 PM  

macadamnut: IntertubeUser: Did Sarah Palin get a boob job?  I can't find any confirmation, but there are pics where it appears her chest grew after the '08 campaign.

She denies Todd her essence. Or her breast milk is retarded.


Apparently she wears a water filled bra, makes her boobs look bigger without surgery.
 
2014-03-09 12:19:54 PM  

Eddie_Dean_NY: Tyrone Slothrop: furterfan: I think this is one thing that democrats and reasonable republicans can agree on

thank Fark that Palin is history

And Santa Clause, and the Easter Bunny...

So a reasonable Republican, Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and my girlfriend in Canada pull up to a four way stop...


Impossible. The Easter Bunny rides public transportation.
 
2014-03-09 12:21:19 PM  

Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.


Stand up in what way?

Is Putin threatening to cancel her wilderness reality show?


It's easy to play armchair president. It's even easier to quit an elected position mid-term to become an attention whore.
 
2014-03-09 12:22:55 PM  
I'm so glad she isn't a vice president right now. Dumb biatch. Only a fking I idiot would even suggest a nuclear weapon as a solution. I'm also looking at you iran!
 
2014-03-09 12:23:26 PM  

Katolu: Weedlord Bonehitler?


I LOL'd
 
2014-03-09 12:28:25 PM  

scotchcrotch: Ukraine must not have oil, otherwise we wouldve already invaded and called it a peace keeping mission.


I don't know if you've read the news but there isn't a Bush in office.
 
2014-03-09 12:28:48 PM  

Trid_Kicker: Riche: ... President. Palin.  Think about that for a bit.

Palin As President


Nice. Never saw that one.
 
2014-03-09 12:29:14 PM  

Mugato: jso2897: Gdalescrboz: Mugato: serpent_sky: Wow... they're dead set on starting World War 3, aren't they?

Well we're long overdue. WWI and WWII were like a week apart and then nothing for almost 70 years. WTF?

I know, it's almost like nuclear deterrence works...which is exactly what she was saying

MMmmmyeeaahhh - see, the thing about nukes is - that "deterrence" thing only works up until the point you actually toss one at somebody who has some too.

I don't think that's what she meant. No one, not even Putin will get into a nuclear war over the farking Ukraine, Except maybe her.


We still have nukes, right?

Putin still invaded Ukraine, right?

I don't think that's what she meant, either. But, then, she might believe Obama has rendered our strategic forces unable to act.
 
2014-03-09 12:29:48 PM  
Why is Sarah scared of Putin? He's only practicing the Bush doctrine on the Ukraine. Whats the big deal? We set the precedent.
 
2014-03-09 12:31:23 PM  
Thank you Sarah for bringing the ridiculous "the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" argument to its final brutally logical conclusion.

/and for exposing yourself and party as the true menace they are
 
2014-03-09 12:31:35 PM  

Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.


She only 'stands' up to Putin because she's not in charge. Put her in charge and she'd STFU and go cook a meal. It's easy to be a bad ass when you aren't the one in charge.
 
2014-03-09 12:31:52 PM  

PanicMan: Failing to show peace through strength has allowed some ''very, very, very bad dudes [to] gain ground'', said Ms Palin, who remains a darling of the far-right.


The only way that happened is if Reagan aided them as a reward for saving him from kidnapping.

oi61.tinypic.com
 
2014-03-09 12:33:47 PM  

WTFDYW: Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.

She only 'stands' up to Putin because she's not in charge. Put her in charge and she'd STFU and go cook a meal. It's easy to be a bad ass when you aren't the one in charge.


Which is why Republicans are such an awesome minority party.  They get to be the bad asses that they just know that they are.
 
2014-03-09 12:34:51 PM  
Carol Tatum Channing?
 
2014-03-09 12:36:45 PM  
img.fark.net

Did not!
 
2014-03-09 12:37:01 PM  

vygramul: don't think that's what she meant, either. But, then, she might believe Obama has rendered our strategic forces unable to act.


What exactly are we supposed to do? And why do we even give a fark about the Ukraine, except they produced Mila Kunis and Milla Jovovich?
 
2014-03-09 12:37:56 PM  
She is right about that.  Mutually assured destruction is the only thing keeping North Korea and other rogue nations from lobbing their missiles. Sure, she comes off like an idiot from the way she presents things, but she is right about that.  A country is far less likely to shoot a missile if they know that they will get 100 back.
 
2014-03-09 12:38:45 PM  
Back! Back to the Politics tab with you!
 
2014-03-09 12:39:24 PM  
Little miss, little miss, little miss can't be wrong?
 
2014-03-09 12:40:04 PM  
kumquatwriter.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-09 12:43:29 PM  

Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.


Whether this is real or not, I don't know.  It's so hard to tell these days.  But if there's any waffling going on in these negotiations, it's from Europe.  Russia stands alone which means Putin speaks only for himself.  Obama has to herd the cats that make up NATO and they're the ones resistant to sanctions because they're the ones who will feel the repercussions most directly.
 
2014-03-09 12:43:31 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: She is right about that.  Mutually assured destruction is the only thing keeping North Korea and other rogue nations from lobbing their missiles. Sure, she comes off like an idiot from the way she presents things, but she is right about that.  A country is far less likely to shoot a missile if they know that they will get 100 back.


Except that no one, not even someone as marginally crazy as Putin is going to start a nuclear war. And certainly not over Russia taking over the Ukraine. So what she said was nonsensical.

And why the fark is the media still covering anything she says anyway?
 
2014-03-09 12:44:05 PM  
Whats the difference between Sara Pailens mouth and her vajina?

Only some of the things that come out of her vajina are retarded.
 
2014-03-09 12:44:30 PM  

WTFDYW: Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.

She only 'stands' up to Putin because she's not in charge. Put her in charge and she'd STFU and go cook a meal. It's easy to be a bad ass when you aren't the one in charge.


It's also easy to be a bad ass when you are not willing to enlist in the military, but are willing to toss other peoples kids into a meat grinder.
 
2014-03-09 12:45:46 PM  
I like that I've seen most of those gag names as Fark handles.

/Aloysius Devadonder Abercrombie?
 
2014-03-09 12:46:24 PM  
The firm of Hungadunga, Hungadunga, Hungadunga and Hungadunga?
 
2014-03-09 12:48:25 PM  

Spaced Lion: I like that I've seen most of those gag names as Fark handles.

/Aloysius Devadonder Abercrombie?


That's long for Mud.
 
2014-03-09 12:49:21 PM  

Techhell: They think that America can destroy Russia before Russia can launch their own nukes back. They also honestly don't care if Europe gets nuked since there is next to nothing that they get from Europe (that they know of) so there is no personal loss for them.


That's kind of the crux of the entire situation.  Conservatives seem to think that if Russia feared us, they wouldn't do these things.  The truth is, Russia is doing these things because they fear us.  In the last 20 years, their Eastern European buffer zone has almost disappeared.  Riga and Kiev are 1.5 hours flight from Moscow.  We are in military terms right on their door step.  Even without a missile shield, our first strike advantage is daunting and Russia knows it.  In expanding NATO and the EU so quickly, we've pushed Russia's backs against the wall.  Not that I oppose NATO expansion, but this is one of the consequences.
 
2014-03-09 12:49:41 PM  

Mugato: grokca: Mugato: Sarah Palin,
/she's looking pretty rough these days

Yeah,
I would not watch her talk on Fox, I would not stick one in her box.

Well she never was "hot" like people say. I guess if you're grading on a curve like politicians, HR workers, gym teachers then okay.

So Republicans, still angry Obama won? Otherwise, McCain would have had a stroke his first week in office and we'd be living in a post nuclear dystopia by now. Road Warrior, Godzilla awoken, mass hysteria.


No, she was hot, but the level of crazy associated with that hotness was always too close for comfort. Now, of course, that hotness has decreased while the batshiatness has increased exponentially.
 
2014-03-09 12:51:15 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: The firm of Hungadunga, Hungadunga, Hungadunga and Hungadunga?


You forgot the most important Hungadunga!
 
2014-03-09 12:51:28 PM  

freetomato: It's also easy to be a bad ass when you are not willing to enlist in the military, but are willing to toss other peoples kids into a meat grinder.


How many more Americans and Mid East civilians would be dead if McCain and/or Romney was elected? Not that I'm thrilled with Obama's policy on drones but still, less dead people.
 
2014-03-09 12:53:08 PM  
Here's the Sarah Palin CPAC speech transcript, for the curious.  I do pity the soul that tried to put paragraph breaks in that - she seems to flail a bit.

From the transcript:   President Obama, though, he is nothing if not poll-tested, so even he knows that the deep issue of our time is that pressing stagnation facing the middle class. Those good working class families, just can't get ahead and that's why he baits the GOP establishment into a kind of tit-for-tat, things to distract, and then they pander, and in the White House they do such damage, but their agenda is failure and fiasco on steroids.
 
2014-03-09 12:55:11 PM  

Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.


So making a speech at nutball convention is considered standing up to Putin?

I say, "Please proceed, Mr. Putin. Go all in.  Remember how well invading Afghanistan worked out for the USSR?"
 
2014-03-09 12:59:18 PM  

Sgt Otter: jeffjo52: Riche: Gosling: That woman could have been Vice President right now.

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More likely president. When you see pictures showing how fast presidents age due to the stress of the job...I seriously doubt McCain would still be around today.

President. Palin.  Think about that for a bit.

That or a Palin would have witnessed him having an "accident".

Palin is proof that the statement "If women ran the world there would be no war" is absolute bullshiat.

Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandhi, Golda Meir, Madeline Albright, Condoleezza Rice, Hillary Clinton,  Queen Elizabeth, Catherine the Great...


None of those people ran the world.  There is a big difference between being one powerful woman among many powerful men, and having most of the world's leaders be women.  We won't know the answer to the question of, "If women ruled the world..." until that actually happens.
 
2014-03-09 12:59:43 PM  

Mentat: Techhell: They think that America can destroy Russia before Russia can launch their own nukes back. They also honestly don't care if Europe gets nuked since there is next to nothing that they get from Europe (that they know of) so there is no personal loss for them.

That's kind of the crux of the entire situation.  Conservatives seem to think that if Russia feared us, they wouldn't do these things.  The truth is, Russia is doing these things because they fear us.  In the last 20 years, their Eastern European buffer zone has almost disappeared.  Riga and Kiev are 1.5 hours flight from Moscow.  We are in military terms right on their door step.  Even without a missile shield, our first strike advantage is daunting and Russia knows it.  In expanding NATO and the EU so quickly, we've pushed Russia's backs against the wall.  Not that I oppose NATO expansion, but this is one of the consequences.


Thank you. SO many people don't understand that. They also don't understand that before the collapse of the USSR invading Iraq could have easily gone into a global war. The US has ties now in so many old Eastern Block nations that Russia is worried about being encircled.
 
2014-03-09 01:02:06 PM  

Mentat: Techhell: They think that America can destroy Russia before Russia can launch their own nukes back. They also honestly don't care if Europe gets nuked since there is next to nothing that they get from Europe (that they know of) so there is no personal loss for them.

That's kind of the crux of the entire situation.  Conservatives seem to think that if Russia feared us, they wouldn't do these things.  The truth is, Russia is doing these things because they fear us.  In the last 20 years, their Eastern European buffer zone has almost disappeared.  Riga and Kiev are 1.5 hours flight from Moscow.  We are in military terms right on their door step.  Even without a missile shield, our first strike advantage is daunting and Russia knows it.  In expanding NATO and the EU so quickly, we've pushed Russia's backs against the wall.  Not that I oppose NATO expansion, but this is one of the consequences.


This.

We also have an issue where Ukraine is just not that important to the West, and intrinsically important to Russian security.  So we have a scared weak Russia acting to defend something they view as an intrinsic interest and Western powers for whom the object of his aggression matters little.

I would find it very interesting to see if some clever diplomat couldn't find a way to turn this whole thing into an embarrassment for Russia by mobilizing support for a plebiscite in Chechnya.  Russia supports ethnic self-determination, doesn't it?
 
2014-03-09 01:04:28 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Graffito: Coming on a Bicycle: Ok. But it doesn't really do anything to diminish the way that Obama *has* royally farked up with Putin. Twice now.

How so?

Twice now, Obama has said 'to here and no further' to Putin. The first time (Syria) he just didn't follow through; this time it looks like he simply has no way to follow through. He should learn when to speak and when not to speak, because this is the sort of thing (the 'red line' thing) that you can only use sparingly, and then only when you have the possibility, the means and the guts to actually do something.


Yeah, because Presidents who use military action at the drop of a hat really stop Putin from invading his neighbors. Just ask the Georgians.
 
2014-03-09 01:06:01 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: AtlanticCoast63: Graffito: Mugato: Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential candidate, has offered unsolicited advice
Her? Offering unsolicited advice? Teh hell you say!
/she's looking pretty rough these days

One might even say that she looks ... tired.

Well played, Graffito....well played.

As for myself, I should point out that although I'm NOT defending Sarah's words - even THINKING about nukes in a matter like this is beyond insane and deserves a biatchslapping of Biblical proportions - she is right to the extent that we are slowly dismantling the deterrent.  There has been a lot of talk about making the ICBM force go away, especially after the performance of the launch crews over the last few years.  The bomber force is now down to the B-2s and the B-52s (the B-1s are non-nuclear capable by treaty and can't be made so again without long refits) and the missile subs are due to be replaced in the late 2020s, but some of them may be decommed long before that due to maintenance and age issues.  Let's face it - there's going to be people who will try to pull things if they think they won't have to face the ultimate sanction.  This isn't one of those times, but it's possible.

How many nukes, exactly, do you think we need?  One for every major city in the world, plus ever minor one?


Seriously?

Let me give you a little background - I did six years as a weapons guy with a Strategic Air Command bomb wing, and another year with a unit in the Far East that may or may not still have nukes; I'm not sure so I'm not going to name it.  That was seven straight years of transporting and guarding them, and I HATE the goddamn things with a passion - I still have the occasional nightmare about them, and the last time I laid a hand on one was nearly thirty years ago.   We need enough - and I don't claim to be a strategic planner, so I can't tell you what that number is - to make sure that anyone else can't threaten us with their use without knowing that they will suffer just as much in return.  I'd love it if that number was less than a dozen, and I'd be even happier if they were all gone.

The Russians may be insane, but they're not crazy - the only way these days they'd ever launch would be if US tanks were physically on Russian territory, and even then they can't be sure their missiles will work, setting aside the fact that at most they have about 10% as many functional nuclear capable bombers as we do (and 'capable' doesn't necessarily mean they can get up and do it on short notice) and maybe about 350 ICBMs, all of whose reliability is at best, problematic.  And in any event, The only people who will draw down on us with a nuclear weapon are the Norks or the Iranians, and the Iranians only after they've laid the first one down on Tel Aviv.  The point here is that you have to have a few to deter the worst of the bad actors, and as long as we have bad actors, we need the damned bombs.
 
2014-03-09 01:10:42 PM  

Mugato: sendtodave: We've grown so weak under liberals.

Yeah, like that tree hugger Obama who said he didn't care about finding the guy behind 9/11. Oh wait, that could have been someone else I was thinking of.


Nothing beefs up your military like decade-long ill-conceived wars costing trillions of dollars.  That's how you grow big and strong.
 
2014-03-09 01:12:26 PM  

sendtodave: rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es

The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.


Totally. That's why nobody ever occupied France.
 
2014-03-09 01:18:33 PM  

Gosling: That woman could have been Vice President right now.


It would be hard to imagine them winning re-election.  McCrankypants wanted to keep the war in Iraq going, and was all in on the plan to start a war with Iran.  He expressed a desire to get directly involved in the upheavals in Egypt and Syria.  So, foreign policy could have been summed up with one word: war.  He was against the economic stimulus package, which means the country would have recovered, if at all, from the Great Recession at a later date.  These are just 2 aspects of his wrong-headed agenda.  One could imagine protests in the streets.  Add in a few blunders by VP Palin, and you're looking at a very overripe climate for re-election.
 
2014-03-09 01:19:02 PM  

SlothB77: I'm glad the Democrats are here to show us how to treat women.


We make fun of her because everything that comes out of her mouth is batshiat pants on the head stupid.
 
2014-03-09 01:21:25 PM  

Rhino_man: sendtodave: rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es

The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.

Totally. That's why nobody ever occupied France.


What, in WWII?  Last I checked, France was libby lib liberal.

Just a bunch of weak-willed liberals caving to strong German conservatives.
 
2014-03-09 01:21:51 PM  

TinyFist: Miss Utah 1997?


Miss South Carolina Teen USA for 2007?

"Nuke everywhere like such as!"
 
2014-03-09 01:22:32 PM  

freetomato: WTFDYW: Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.

She only 'stands' up to Putin because she's not in charge. Put her in charge and she'd STFU and go cook a meal. It's easy to be a bad ass when you aren't the one in charge.

It's also easy to be a bad ass when you are not willing to enlist in the military, but are willing to toss other peoples kids into a meat grinder.


A politician is one willing to lay down your life for his country.
 
2014-03-09 01:24:18 PM  

sendtodave: What, in WWII?  Last I checked, France was libby lib liberal.

Just a bunch of weak-willed liberals caving to strong German conservatives.


Actually, the comparisons are kinda fitting.

the only thing that can stop an authoritarian from taking your land with their military is another authoritarian taking your land with their military.

We need to be that authority!
 
2014-03-09 01:27:19 PM  

Graffito: Sgt Otter: jeffjo52: Riche: Gosling: That woman could have been Vice President right now.

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More likely president. When you see pictures showing how fast presidents age due to the stress of the job...I seriously doubt McCain would still be around today.

President. Palin.  Think about that for a bit.

That or a Palin would have witnessed him having an "accident".

Palin is proof that the statement "If women ran the world there would be no war" is absolute bullshiat.

Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandhi, Golda Meir, Madeline Albright, Condoleezza Rice, Hillary Clinton,  Queen Elizabeth, Catherine the Great...

None of those people ran the world.  There is a big difference between being one powerful woman among many powerful men, and having most of the world's leaders be women.  We won't know the answer to the question of, "If women ruled the world..." until that actually happens.


Most of them were leaders who invaded other countries unprovoked, it goes all the way back to Cleopatra and even before her. Power breeds corruption not gender you sexist farking piece of shiat. Vote for Palin or Bachmann if you think women are less violent or idiotic than men, otherwise STFU, moran!
 
2014-03-09 01:27:44 PM  

SlothB77: I'm glad the Democrats are here to show us how to treat women.


Yes, I'm feeding a troll, but I have to wonder how many people actually think people who criticize or oppose Palin do so on account of her being a woman, as opposed to pretending to think that so they can discount legitimate criticisms, or simply to troll.

But since you raise the point, the proper way to treat women is pretty much the same as the proper way to treat men.  And that means not handling them with kid gloves or putting them on pedestals.

But you knew that already, didn't you?
 
2014-03-09 01:31:11 PM  

sendtodave: sendtodave: What, in WWII?  Last I checked, France was libby lib liberal.

Just a bunch of weak-willed liberals caving to strong German conservatives.

Actually, the comparisons are kinda fitting.

the only thing that can stop an authoritarian from taking your land with their military is another authoritarian taking your land with their military.

We need to be that authority!


I know you're not serious... but the derpers really would think something like that, and I just... I can't even...
 
2014-03-09 01:31:40 PM  
OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

1/10 You can't really troll effectively with all that hostility and anger.  Try to calm down a little and back it down a notch; then you'll get more bites.

On the other hand, it is pretty amusing to imagine you gnashing your teeth and pounding on the keyboard with your fists.  So at least SOMEBODY's going to be entertained either way.
 
2014-03-09 01:33:01 PM  

Mentat: Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.

Whether this is real or not, I don't know.  It's so hard to tell these days.  But if there's any waffling going on in these negotiations, it's from Europe.  Russia stands alone which means Putin speaks only for himself.  Obama has to herd the cats that make up NATO and they're the ones resistant to sanctions because they're the ones who will feel the repercussions most directly.


These things happen when you have rainbow armies . Ruskies pointing and laughing .
 
2014-03-09 01:35:30 PM  

sendtodave: rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es

The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.



See, this, on the other hand, is how you express an opinion that a liberal might disagree with, yet will probably feel obligated to pay attention to and take seriously.  A reader might even take the time to disagree politely with a cogent argument of their own, and an actual dialog could result.

See the difference between that and going for "libtard" right off the bat?
 
2014-03-09 01:36:14 PM  

jeffjo52: Graffito: Sgt Otter: jeffjo52: Riche: Gosling: That woman could have been Vice President right now.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 296x267]

More likely president. When you see pictures showing how fast presidents age due to the stress of the job...I seriously doubt McCain would still be around today.

President. Palin.  Think about that for a bit.

That or a Palin would have witnessed him having an "accident".

Palin is proof that the statement "If women ran the world there would be no war" is absolute bullshiat.

Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandhi, Golda Meir, Madeline Albright, Condoleezza Rice, Hillary Clinton,  Queen Elizabeth, Catherine the Great...

None of those people ran the world.  There is a big difference between being one powerful woman among many powerful men, and having most of the world's leaders be women.  We won't know the answer to the question of, "If women ruled the world..." until that actually happens.

Most of them were leaders who invaded other countries unprovoked, it goes all the way back to Cleopatra and even before her. Power breeds corruption not gender you sexist farking piece of shiat. Vote for Palin or Bachmann if you think women are less violent or idiotic than men, otherwise STFU, moran!


My point still stands.  Being a single female leader when all the rest are men (or being a single female CEO when the rest are men) is VERY different than being one woman amongst many other women leaders.  We don't know yet how that would work out, but there are reasons to suspect that there would be less war-mongering in such a configuration.
 
2014-03-09 01:38:10 PM  
Way to miss the point of WarGames:

4closurefraud.org
 
2014-03-09 01:39:01 PM  

rohar: sendtodave: rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es

The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.

Really?  Ukraine is an ally?  When did that happen?  You mean like Georgia?


I think the idea is something like "We signed a treaty with them; we are allies in the sense that we are bonded together by treaty."

Of course, how valid this argument is depends greatly on what the treaty in question actually says about the relationship.
 
2014-03-09 01:39:16 PM  
So Sarah Palin has a bigger dick than Putin? Who knew?
 
2014-03-09 01:40:09 PM  

ciberido: sendtodave: rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es

The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.


See, this, on the other hand, is how you express an opinion that a liberal might disagree with, yet will probably feel obligated to pay attention to and take seriously.  A reader might even take the time to disagree politely with a cogent argument of their own, and an actual dialog could result.

See the difference between that and going for "libtard" right off the bat?


You used to rip the wings off of flies, one at a time, amirite?
 
2014-03-09 01:40:42 PM  
Sgt. Zim?
 
2014-03-09 01:40:49 PM  
Easy way to stop Putin.

Start actually gathering our natural gas and oil. We sit on a ton of it. That is the only reason Russia is in play. Reduce their trade advantage, they will crumble. Oh, it will create jobs and wealth here as well.
 
2014-03-09 01:43:17 PM  
So if Sarah Palin had a nuke and Putin had a nuke which would be the good guy and which is the bad guy? Second question who would you rather...
 
2014-03-09 01:47:13 PM  

jeffjo52: macross87: Good. Bad. I'm the one with the nuke....

I came to chew bubble gum and nuke you, and I'm all out of bubble gum.


I an't got time to nuke.
 
2014-03-09 01:47:51 PM  
Might be a good idea to drop a few on them. We do have clean nuclear weapons these days. It would send a message to the world not to fark with us and listen to what we say. Most of the Russian nukes and their delivery systems are probably in so much disrepair that I doubt they would hit their target. And if one did hit, say, Los Angeles, well that place is a cesspool and could use a good bulldozing, to clean things up. Plus, it would take quite a few deadbeats of the SS disability rolls, and ease the water situation out there a bit.
 
2014-03-09 01:48:59 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: John McCain's sh*t-dripping incontinent asshole


Correct.
 
2014-03-09 01:49:30 PM  
palin or not, she's absolutely right.

russia abrograted the treaty by which ukraine's sovereignity was guaranteed in exchange for ukraine giving up its nukes.  furthermore, the us and uk have at best shown a weak interest in living up to their end of the deal.

ergo, give ukraine nukes back.  despite russian propaganda, ukraine is not a country run by fanatial neo nazis. it's a country of responsible adults - even the criminal buffoon yanukovich would have treated his nuclear stewardship seriously.
 
2014-03-09 01:51:27 PM  
Counter Russia's energy monopoly. No need for any war fellas. So damned simple.
 
2014-03-09 01:54:01 PM  

SeaMan Stainz: Whats the difference between Sara Pailens mouth and her vajina?

Only some of the things that come out of her vajina are retarded.


Dan Quayle eats those potatoes for breakfast.
 
2014-03-09 01:58:09 PM  

starsrift: I think the whole upcoming Crimean referendum is great. As long as the UN can ensure that it's actually Crimeans and only Crimeans doing the voting.



IIRC, their Constitution is set up like ours; the entire country of Ukraine must vote on letting Crimea go.  Otherwise, it's nothing more than secession.  Regardless of the vote, Russia is going to keep its naval base there.
 
2014-03-09 01:58:25 PM  

Thunderpipes: Counter Russia's energy monopoly. No need for any war fellas. So damned simple.


... and in the years that it would take for us to build up the required export infrastructure (which we're ALREADY DOING), people like you get to call Obama a pussy for not doing something immediate.
 
2014-03-09 02:05:28 PM  

sendtodave: We used to go to war for our allies. We've grown so weak under liberals.


More than a year late, twice, and only after other countries first declared war on the US, but who's counting.
 
2014-03-09 02:09:55 PM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: palin or not, she's absolutely right.

russia abrograted the treaty by which ukraine's sovereignity was guaranteed in exchange for ukraine giving up its nukes.  furthermore, the us and uk have at best shown a weak interest in living up to their end of the deal.

ergo, give ukraine nukes back.  despite russian propaganda, ukraine is not a country run by fanatial neo nazis. it's a country of responsible adults - even the criminal buffoon yanukovich would have treated his nuclear stewardship seriously.


Russia tried to put nukes 90 miles off the coast of Florida and it nearly started a nuclear war.  What do think will happen if we put nukes 1.5 hours from Moscow?  They're already leery of our missile shield because it could potentially negate their first strike advantage.
 
2014-03-09 02:18:07 PM  

Hagbardr: Zap Rowsdower?


Biff McLargehuge!
 
2014-03-09 02:22:34 PM  

Ker_Thwap: I fondly remember the first five minutes when I first heard a woman was tagged as the VP running mate.  I was thinking, oh, maybe a strong role model for my daughters.  Then I learned a bit about her, then I heard her rabble rousing.  I hate extremists who can't even bother to try to understand the point of view of others.


You must have the entire Politics tab on ignore.
 
2014-03-09 02:28:11 PM  
The War Game, BBC (1965)

It's about 45 minutes long. I have watched it exactly once, as I did with "Threads".

Here are some reviews.

It is done in a very dry style with an almost complete lack of dramatic embellishments.

I have linked it through Quietube [press Play, it's not Autoplay, as usual] so there'll be no distractions from YT comments.

The outrageous statements by some of these people (including the Bishop) - in favour of nuclear weapons, even nuclear war - were actually based on genuine quotations. Other interviews with a doctor, a psychiatrist, etc. were more sobre, and gave details of the effects of nuclear weapons on the human body and mind. In this film I was interested in breaking the illusion of media-produced 'reality'. My question was - "Where is 'reality'? ... in the madness of statements by these artificially-lit establishment figures quoting the official doctrine of the day, or in the madness of the staged and fictional scenes from the rest of my film, which presented the consequences of their utterances?
 
2014-03-09 02:34:06 PM  

OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.


The promises are not what you imply. You are either incorrect or lying. Knowing you it's a 50-50 proposition, given that you are both dumb and dishonest.
 
2014-03-09 02:40:40 PM  

rohar: On top of that, Ukrainian weaponry keeps showing up in Afghanistan to help our enemies kill us.


Source?
 
2014-03-09 02:43:33 PM  

Rhino_man: Thunderpipes: Counter Russia's energy monopoly. No need for any war fellas. So damned simple.

... and in the years that it would take for us to build up the required export infrastructure (which we're ALREADY DOING), people like you get to call Obama a pussy for not doing something immediate.


It's always amazing when the armchair strategists have these oh so simple ideas that would take years to put into action.
 
2014-03-09 02:45:46 PM  

AtlanticCoast63: Seriously?

Let me give you a little background - I did six years as a weapons guy with a Strategic Air Command bomb wing, and another year with a unit in the Far East that may or may not still have nukes; I'm not sure so I'm not going to name it. That was seven straight years of transporting and guarding them, and I HATE the goddamn things with a passion - I still have the occasional nightmare about them, and the last time I laid a hand on one was nearly thirty years ago. We need enough - and I don't claim to be a strategic planner, so I can't tell you what that number is - to make sure that anyone else can't threaten us with their use without knowing that they will suffer just as much in return. I'd love it if that number was less than a dozen, and I'd be even happier if they were all gone.

The Russians may be insane, but they're not crazy - the only way these days they'd ever launch would be if US tanks were physically on Russian territory, and even then they can't be sure their missiles will work, setting aside the fact that at most they have about 10% as many functional nuclear capable bombers as we do (and 'capable' doesn't necessarily mean they can get up and do it on short notice) and maybe about 350 ICBMs, all of whose reliability is at best, problematic. And in any event, The only people who will draw down on us with a nuclear weapon are the Norks or the Iranians, and the Iranians only after they've laid the first one down on Tel Aviv. The point here is that you have to have a few to deter the worst of the bad actors, and as long as we have bad actors, we need the damned bombs.


Nice post, bold font boy.

But that still doesn't answer the question, how many nukes do you think we need?  We still have shiatloads and current proposals will still leave us with shiatloads.  So you're also saying that we shouldn't go after Reagan's goal of a nuclear weapon free Earth?
 
2014-03-09 02:47:53 PM  

Graffito: Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.

So making a speech at nutball convention is considered standing up to Putin?

I say, "Please proceed, Mr. Putin. Go all in.  Remember how well invading Afghanistan worked out for the USSR?"


I sent a twitpic of my penis to the Official Twitter account of the Russian President. I have stood up to Putin far more than appeaser Obama, according to Republican rules.
 
2014-03-09 02:51:47 PM  

dahmers love zombie: How do you get that concentration of lunacy in one place and not have at least one person trying to be reasonable.  CPAC has become the latest incarnation of the Four Yorkshiremen sketch.


It's been a giant vortex of potato divided by turnip.
 
2014-03-09 02:53:14 PM  

Rhino_man: Coming on a Bicycle: Graffito: Coming on a Bicycle: Ok. But it doesn't really do anything to diminish the way that Obama *has* royally farked up with Putin. Twice now.

How so?

Twice now, Obama has said 'to here and no further' to Putin. The first time (Syria) he just didn't follow through; this time it looks like he simply has no way to follow through. He should learn when to speak and when not to speak, because this is the sort of thing (the 'red line' thing) that you can only use sparingly, and then only when you have the possibility, the means and the guts to actually do something.

Yeah, because Presidents who use military action at the drop of a hat really stop Putin from invading his neighbors. Just ask the Georgians.


I'm not suggesting that Obama start military action, on the contrary: I'm suggesting that he shut the fark up.
 
2014-03-09 02:53:36 PM  

IamTomJoad: I am so glad republicans are around to make comments on how hot she is, cause what women really desire is to know that looks are considered more important than intelligence or experience.


She clearly lacks intelligence, her experience is also insignificant... looks are kind of all you can focus on with Palin.

When people speak about someone like Elizabeth Warren - her looks are never mentioned. It's her proposals, her meetings, her speeches.... it turns out you have to bring some intelligence to the table to have it discussed,
 
2014-03-09 02:57:06 PM  
I might add that I am NOT in favor of disarmament.

AtlanticCoast63: Seriously?

Let me give you a little background - I did six years as a weapons guy with a Strategic Air Command bomb wing, and another year with a unit in the Far East that may or may not still have nukes; I'm not sure so I'm not going to name it. That was seven straight years of transporting and guarding them, and I HATE the goddamn things with a passion - I still have the occasional nightmare about them, and the last time I laid a hand on one was nearly thirty years ago. We need enough - and I don't claim to be a strategic planner, so I can't tell you what that number is - to make sure that anyone else can't threaten us with their use without knowing that they will suffer just as much in return. I'd love it if that number was less than a dozen, and I'd be even happier if they were all gone.

....The point here is that you have to have a few to deter the worst of the bad actors, and as long as we have bad actors, we need the damned bombs.


Thank you.
 
2014-03-09 02:57:19 PM  
Look, this situation is far too dangerous. Especially for a US president who 'doesn't do' larger conflicts than Lybia. I suggest we all take Cameron's suggestion, outlined here:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/09/vladimir-putin-ukraine- te nsions-david-cameron

accept that Crimea is a done deal, make the most of it, and start creating policy to ensure this doesn't happen again. And to the other EU- and US-heads I say: shut up - you're not helping.
 
2014-03-09 03:06:44 PM  
Some dumb biatch?

/Yes, I was right!
 
2014-03-09 03:11:12 PM  

freetomato: WTFDYW: Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.

She only 'stands' up to Putin because she's not in charge. Put her in charge and she'd STFU and go cook a meal. It's easy to be a bad ass when you aren't the one in charge.

It's also easy to be a bad ass when you are not willing to enlist in the military, but are willing to toss other peoples kids into a meat grinder.


One of her boys is Army.
/She's still an idiot.
 
2014-03-09 03:13:38 PM  
Nuke Crimea to save Crimea!  Hell yeah!

I suspect most Ukrainians would say that's not the kind of help they need.

Or maybe nuke Moscow to save Ukraine?

Hmmmm.....okay, where do we go from there?  Okay, let's say we just nuke a small Soviet Russian city.  Does she really think Putin wouldn't retaliate?  Putin could pick a small city in Europe to obliterate and tell us the next ones will be headed towards London, Paris and Los Angeles.

I always thought Sarah Palin was stupid, but I didn't realize how dangerous she might actually have been if McCain had won and she was one heartbeat away from the presidency.
 
2014-03-09 03:15:34 PM  
I know that Palin has siad some dumb things, but so have a lot of other politicians.  Why is it that Palin gets so much flack?  There are at least as many things that Obama has said or done that were idiotic.  A campaigning Obama said that he has visited 57 states and has one left to go.

I highly doubt that the Republican party, regardless of how anyone feels about their political stance, would choose the ditzy bimbo that she has been made out to be as a VP.  The funny thing is that a good summary of her stance according to the article would be "Obama's foreign policy is weak and weaknes promotes bravado in the bad guys."  Nothing weird.  Nothing crazy.  How many posts here call her crazy?  Probably half.  I think I hear sheep.
 
2014-03-09 03:18:29 PM  
No really, why isn't this on the politics tab?
 
2014-03-09 03:26:07 PM  

Mugato: vygramul: don't think that's what she meant, either. But, then, she might believe Obama has rendered our strategic forces unable to act.

What exactly are we supposed to do? And why do we even give a fark about the Ukraine, except they produced Mila Kunis and Milla Jovovich?


...and provided us a regiment of troops for our ill-advised Iraq War and a platoon of doctors for Afghanistan.

I'm sure taking over some border territories that one claims has many of ones people in them never leads to anything worse.
 
2014-03-09 03:26:50 PM  

Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.


It's a game right now.  What do you actually think Obama should do?  The response is pretty weak I suppose, but should we send in troops?  Should we position a carrier in the Black Sea poised to wage all out war to liberate Crimea?  Has the Ukraine government (such as it is) even asked for military assistance?

Why should Obama be the one to go full war-monger on this?  What about Europe?  They're a lot closer and are more directly affected since they have a lot more trade between themselves and Ukraine and Russia than we do.

The Ukraine's military looks small compared to Russia's, but bear in mind that if Ukraine wants to fight they can devote 100% of their military effort towards standing up to Russia and I have no doubt that they would get international support even if it's only covert.

Russia can't devote all of its military towards the Ukraine.  They've got other areas they're trying to keep under control.

Putin is the real loser here.  He's just digging himself a bigger whole with every misstep.
 
2014-03-09 03:28:18 PM  

Mentat: Techhell: They think that America can destroy Russia before Russia can launch their own nukes back. They also honestly don't care if Europe gets nuked since there is next to nothing that they get from Europe (that they know of) so there is no personal loss for them.

That's kind of the crux of the entire situation.  Conservatives seem to think that if Russia feared us, they wouldn't do these things.  The truth is, Russia is doing these things because they fear us.  In the last 20 years, their Eastern European buffer zone has almost disappeared.  Riga and Kiev are 1.5 hours flight from Moscow.  We are in military terms right on their door step.  Even without a missile shield, our first strike advantage is daunting and Russia knows it.  In expanding NATO and the EU so quickly, we've pushed Russia's backs against the wall.  Not that I oppose NATO expansion, but this is one of the consequences.


Must be nice to just give Russia all those other people. Because Russia's buffer zone matters because they were invaded a couple of times. But Ukraine's buffer zone needs are irrelevant - they were only occupied for a few centuries. That's nothing like having some people pay you a visit for a grand total of a decade.
 
2014-03-09 03:29:19 PM  

zzzzt: according to the article


Again, here's the speech transcript.  A pretty good percentage of the speech boils down to "it's really great to be here".  It's a political speech, I get that.

Past that part, though, I couldn't find two consecutive sentences that rose above the weird-crazy-ditzy line.  Can you?

She seems to be accusing someone of becoming "lap dogs in the lame stream", which is an interesting phrase, but I don't know who precisely or how they could have avoided that fate.  But then suddenly we're dealing with bad guys with nukes instead.
 
2014-03-09 03:30:35 PM  

freetomato: It's also easy to be a bad ass when you are not willing to enlist in the military, but are willing to toss other peoples kids into a meat grinder.


We're certainly willing to give Russia the green light to toss other peoples kids into a meat grinder.

"Hey, you know what, Putin? We feel bad for ya. Russia should just go ahead and take all of Ukraine. And the Baltics. And don't forget Poland! You need that buffer zone."
 
2014-03-09 03:34:47 PM  

AtlanticCoast63: we are slowly dismantling the deterrent


Maybe anthrax tastes great on toast, who knows/cares? It's the "slowly" that's the problem. This is a genie we can put back in the bottle, there are a limited number of these weapons in the world and everyone knows where they are. Let's round 'em up before they get on Ebay.
 
2014-03-09 03:35:54 PM  
As queen of derp as Palin is, she's not quite derpy enough to advocate using nukes over Crimea.  Her comment of 'the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke' is an argument to maintain our current levels of nuclear weapons. The article is pretty clear on that.

There's no need to put words in this woman's mouth. There are plenty spewing forth on a regular basis.
 
2014-03-09 03:38:20 PM  

Randy Newman?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iiv-6fMKyY
 
2014-03-09 03:38:44 PM  

sendtodave: We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.


I don't care if this is a troll, you are full of shiat. We never went to war for our allies, we got dragged kicking and screaming into both World Wars late to the party. Also war sucks and the only people who care about "weakness" to thepoint that they are willing to die for it are already dead. Good riddance.
 
2014-03-09 03:41:52 PM  

sendtodave: rohar: You realize we signed virtually the same agreement with Jordan right?  If Israel gets a little fast and loose with it's borders, do we have to attack Israel and defend Jordan?

On top of that, Ukrainian weaponry keeps showing up in Afghanistan to help our enemies kill us.  If my enemy's enemy is my friend, my enemy's friend must be my enemy no?

Of course not!  Israel is one of the good guys.  As for terrorists getting Ukrainian weapons, well, we can invade Ukraine later, to make sure they stay safe, if we need to.

Anyway, this is all piffle.  Doesn't anyone remember the cold war?  Good guys versus bad guys?

And, when it ended, the promise of a world led by us, the good guys?  A New American Century.

People like Sarah Palin remember.  They remember when we were the good guys.  The shining city on the hill.

Not cynics like you.


upload.wikimedia.org

You guys read elect too much fiction
 
2014-03-09 03:42:41 PM  

zzzzt: I know that Palin has siad some dumb things, but so have a lot of other politicians.  Why is it that Palin gets so much flack?  There are at least as many things that Obama has said or done that were idiotic.  A campaigning Obama said that he has visited 57 states and has one left to go.


Yeah, that was an embarrassing gaffe for Obama, but do you really think he didn't know how many states there are?  I don't even like Obama that much and I'll laugh at him for that, but I believe he just misspoke.

Palin was very clear here.  She thinks we should employ nuclear weapons over this.  With such an itchy trigger finger on her, how many other places in the world should we nuke and if we start nuking countries left and right, how long will it be before using nukes is no big deal and it is used against one of our allies or even ourselves?

She deserves to be ridiculed over this.

I highly doubt that the Republican party, regardless of how anyone feels about their political stance, would choose the ditzy bimbo that she has been made out to be as a VP.

Uh, except she was the VP candidate on the ballot with McCain in '08.  Duh!

The funny thing is that a good summary of her stance according to the article would be "Obama's foreign policy is weak and weaknes promotes bravado in the bad guys."  Nothing weird.  Nothing crazy.  How many posts here call her crazy?  Probably half.  I think I hear sheep.

There's nothing wrong with standing up to Russia, but Obama - and the EU - are taking a measured approach to this.  The first round of sanctions may not seem all that tough, but it's a shot across the bow.  We have more cards up our sleeves.

Our Weeners should not even consider the nuclear option.

She is crazy and I'm not a lamb.

/I'm not a ram either, but Al Green could handle this better than Sarah Palin
//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFtA9VWuwg0&feature=kp
 
2014-03-09 03:49:02 PM  
'Peace through strength' is a recognized foreign policy.

It has never farking worked, and if you can't recognize this, you do not need to be in politics.
 
2014-03-09 03:52:07 PM  

gfid: zzzzt: I know that Palin has siad some dumb things, but so have a lot of other politicians.  Why is it that Palin gets so much flack?  There are at least as many things that Obama has said or done that were idiotic.  A campaigning Obama said that he has visited 57 states and has one left to go.

Yeah, that was an embarrassing gaffe for Obama, but do you really think he didn't know how many states there are?  I don't even like Obama that much and I'll laugh at him for that, but I believe he just misspoke.


Seriously, the right only has gaffes to work with because that hits their conservative funny boner, but it's too much effort to analyze policy. That would take... facts.

[insert cat with hackles raised.jpg]
 
2014-03-09 03:58:17 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-09 03:58:52 PM  
I didn't know nukes were even in play here. Is Putin threatening to nuke Ukraine? I thought he wanted to keep it. Why are we worried about nukes? Why do we want to stop Putin? What the hell is this twatwaffle even talking about?
 
2014-03-09 04:07:43 PM  
winner winner green eggs& ham dinner
 
2014-03-09 04:19:13 PM  

steveGswine: Again, here's the speech transcript.


This is painful to read, but I will.  Okay, she starts with some rah rah about the Tea Party.  It's the kind of rhetoric I wouldn't even like if I supported the Tea Party, but okay she's just cheering her side.

Then she invokes, the military, young people and Ronald Reagan(zap).    Well, who can argue about the heroism of our military personnel?  And who doesn't agree that whether we like it or not, young people will shape the future?  And Ronald Reagan?  Well, he's apparently been canonized and forgiven of all his sins (like giving amnesty to a bunch of illegal aliens).  After all, he is single-handedly responsible for the reunification of Germany and the fall of the Soviet Union and all he had to do was tell them to tear down the wall.  (You'd think he had Roger Waters as an adviser or something).

Unlike Teddy Roosevelt, Reagan talked loudly and carried a small stick.

But back to Palin's gibberish.

An obligatory attack on Obamacare.  How could I not see that coming?

A bunch of words....meaningless words.

Invoke Reagan again (along with Friedman and Thatcher).  Okay.  I don't even have anything against any of those three, but they are well faded into the past by now and they are all DEAD, just like Palin's soul.

More words.

Praise Ted Cruz.  Brags about her ability to memorize Dr. Seuss books.

Okay, I'll admit her little Dr. Seuss twist where she changed the words to criticize the government was pretty good.  Not bad, Ms. Palin.  Whichever staffer wrote that for you should take your place at center stage.

Words, words, words...all meaningless.

Obamacare!  (again)

More words.

Something about Kerry, and Jimmy Carter even gets a shout out.

AL QAEDA!!!  (Obama isn't protecting us!!!!)

Obama bad, GOP and America good, something, something something....

Harry Reid.  More words....

A big long paragraph about Duck Dynasty (WTF?)

I can't read any more of this crap.  It ends with a lot more words.
 
2014-03-09 04:23:25 PM  
That last one was for grokca.

Sometimes "reply" doesn't work on mobile.
>=^(
 
2014-03-09 04:28:29 PM  
Eye for an eye, or something like that, eh Sarah?
 
2014-03-09 04:36:37 PM  
PsiChick:  Globally: Peace through strength in large part was what ended the cold war.  In your home town:  A big guy walks through a bad neighborhood and isn't bothered.  A smaller weaker looking guy walking through that same neighborhood has a more likely chance of being harmed.  Peace through strength has always worked.  The bad guys only attack those they believe can be defeated.

gfid:
I could go on until my fingers are sore about evidence that Obama is an idiot, but it would all be completely circumstantial.  He would never have even been in the position to be elected to such a high office unless he was extremely intelligent.  My comment was simply that the same logic applies to Palin and that you and others like you mindlessly parrot what you have heard repeated by biased sources and are only non-thinking sheep.

At no point did she say we should nuke them.  Her only comment about that was "Mr. President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke."  If you choose to take that as her endorsement to start a nuclear war, then I offer that as yet more proof that you are only a sheep.  And an idiot...


Steve:
"Happy to be here" ended after the 3rd paragraph which was maybe 10% of the speech.  After that she talked about the reelection of Obama and how that effected Republicans.  Then she went into how the idea of "free" doesn't exist as a lead in to talking about Obamacare .  She then promoted some other politicians and progress they've made.  She then spent a lot of time on the problems Obama and the left have caused.  That gets me half way through and I won't bore you with the rest.

If you spent more than 30 seconds reading it, you'd see that It is fairly well put together, but was also directed towards a crowd that is already in her corner.  This is probably why you see it as weird-crazy-ditzy.  My guess is that you can't fathom the idea that someone who doesn't believe in what you believe is anything other than an idiot.

Baaaa.  Baaaa.  Baaaa.
 
2014-03-09 04:56:56 PM  

MadMattressMack: [img.fark.net image 480x480]


True, but I'd still like wear Palin and Bachmann like mittens while I use Michelle Malkin's face like it was a bowling alley.
 
2014-03-09 05:14:25 PM  

zzzzt: If you spent more than 30 seconds reading it, you'd see that It is fairly well put together, but was also directed towards a crowd that is already in her corner.


Feel free to pull out any two consecutive well-constructed sentences.  I just looked again, and can't.

Maybe I'm missing some of the backreferences, but it's my first day at CPAC, so help a brother out.  For example, what are the following two sentences in aid of?

Palin: Some of these folks are in the establishment, and they are a different breed of cats. They say that the smartest thing that we can do right now is just lay low, stay out-of-the-way while ObamaCare crashes and burns on its own and the economy sputters to a halt - forget all that solvency and insolvency stuff, just lay low, and as, while internationally, we so tick-off our allies and we lead a world that is looking for that shining city on a hill again, we lead them from behind?

Who does she think should act differently, and in what way?

All this makes "there will be costs" look clear and specific.
 
2014-03-09 05:15:33 PM  

ciberido: rohar: sendtodave: rohar: OnlyM3: As the short bus libtards ignore that the Ukraine disarming under the promise of protection liberal democrat presidents is what made Ukraine a weak target.

You can read right?  Here's the full text of the Budapest Memorandum.  Can you find for me any promise of protection you half with warmongering neocon twatwaffle?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assura nc es

The point still stands.  If Ukraine could actually count on us going to war for them, it'd be much safer.

We used to go to war for our allies.  We've grown so weak under liberals.

Really?  Ukraine is an ally?  When did that happen?  You mean like Georgia?

I think the idea is something like "We signed a treaty with them; we are allies in the sense that we are bonded together by treaty."

Of course, how valid this argument is depends greatly on what the treaty in question actually says about the relationship.


Yeah, about that.  The Russians signed the same damned treaty.  Really.  One piece of paper with all our names on it.

Nowhere was there a mutual defense clause.
 
2014-03-09 05:18:46 PM  

Rhino_man: Thunderpipes: Counter Russia's energy monopoly. No need for any war fellas. So damned simple.

... and in the years that it would take for us to build up the required export infrastructure (which we're ALREADY DOING), people like you get to call Obama a pussy for not doing something immediate.


Well, he is. Not for not going to war, but for the continued spinelessness everywhere else like Egypt and Syria.

And no, we are not already doing anything. Can't even build a goddamn pipeline for crying out loud.
 
2014-03-09 05:19:57 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: rohar: On top of that, Ukrainian weaponry keeps showing up in Afghanistan to help our enemies kill us.

Source?


They're the 4th largest weapons exporter in the world.  All of our allies either make their own or buy ours.  Where do you think all that weaponry is being sold?
 
2014-03-09 05:24:40 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: freetomato: WTFDYW: Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.

She only 'stands' up to Putin because she's not in charge. Put her in charge and she'd STFU and go cook a meal. It's easy to be a bad ass when you aren't the one in charge.

It's also easy to be a bad ass when you are not willing to enlist in the military, but are willing to toss other peoples kids into a meat grinder.

One of her boys is Army.
/She's still an idiot.


Army Reserve, served in Iraq. Call me cynical, but if we had (God forbid) a President Palin (I threw up in my mouth a little just typing that) I doubt he would see combat, not that I wish that on anyone.

I actually saw a "Sarah for President!" bumper sticker the other day. About drove off the road laughing.
 
2014-03-09 05:32:16 PM  

vygramul: freetomato: It's also easy to be a bad ass when you are not willing to enlist in the military, but are willing to toss other peoples kids into a meat grinder.

We're certainly willing to give Russia the green light to toss other peoples kids into a meat grinder.

"Hey, you know what, Putin? We feel bad for ya. Russia should just go ahead and take all of Ukraine. And the Baltics. And don't forget Poland! You need that buffer zone."


Russia doesn't need our green light to do anything, much as we don't need theirs. Beyond stern disapproval and sanctions, will any member of The World Police besides the US step up with military intervention? I can't see that happening. FFS, we haven't recovered from the folly in Iraq.

What makes me sick is that the right wingers who are making Putin out to be a bad ass tough guy only so that they can paint our President as a weakling.
 
2014-03-09 05:44:11 PM  

zzzzt: If you spent more than 30 seconds reading it, you'd see that It is fairly well put together, but was also directed towards a crowd that is already in her corner.  This is probably why you see it as weird-crazy-ditzy.  My guess is that you can't fathom the idea that someone who doesn't believe in what you believe is anything other than an idiot.


I guess if you hear people say that to you often enough, eventually it dawns on you that it's some kind of insult.  So I suppose it makes sense you would toss it out at people with whom you disagree from time to time.
 
2014-03-09 05:46:09 PM  

zzzzt: gfid:
I could go on until my fingers are sore about evidence that Obama is an idiot, but it would all be completely circumstantial.  He would never have even been in the position to be elected to such a high office unless he was extremely intelligent.  My comment was simply that the same logic applies to Palin and that you and others like you mindlessly parrot what you have heard repeated by biased sources and are only non-thinking sheep.

At no point did she say we should nuke them.  Her only comment about that was "Mr. President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke."  If you choose to take that as her endorsement to start a nuclear war, then I offer that as yet more proof that you are only a sheep.  And an idiot...


Well, at least you acknowledge that Obama is intelligent.  If he weren't, he wouldn't have made it to where he is today.  Whether or not you or I agree with his policies does not take away from that.

Palin, OTOH, got elected as governor of a small state (in terms of actual population - only Vermont, Wyoming and North Dakota have fewer people than Alaska).  At some point she realized fiery rhetoric got her attention and some fans and that's her whole shtick these days.  Look at my post about her speech.  She hits every hot button she can and even brings up Reagan and Obamacare twice in the same speech.  I'm actually surprised Benghazi wasn't in there somewhere.

While she doesn't call for using nukes against Russia there is a veiled threat there.  Nobody talks about using nukes.  The nations who have them keep them well guarded and perceive them as weapons of last resort.  Pakistan doesn't even hint to India that they will nuke them if they don't settle their territorial disputes in Pakistan's favor.  Why should the US hint to Russia that we would use them if Crimea does not remain a part of a sovereign Ukraine?

And why hint at a veiled threat unless you're willing to follow through with it?

It's better to speak softly and carry a big stick as opposed to talking about nuclear weapons and then not following through.    Save the nukes for when Russia or China start landing amphibious seacraft on the shores of California and start launching missiles and airstrikes against us.  Until then, it's all bluster.

In the Ukraine, it doesn't matter that the US and Russia both have nukes.  Neither of us are going to use them and it's not for fear that the other guy would retaliate.  Nukes are irrelevant to this.
 
2014-03-09 05:46:54 PM  

freetomato: demaL-demaL-yeH: freetomato: WTFDYW: Death Whisper: At least she's willing to stand up to Putin, Obama's a castrated weasel who would rather appease him.

She only 'stands' up to Putin because she's not in charge. Put her in charge and she'd STFU and go cook a meal. It's easy to be a bad ass when you aren't the one in charge.

It's also easy to be a bad ass when you are not willing to enlist in the military, but are willing to toss other peoples kids into a meat grinder.

One of her boys is Army.
/She's still an idiot.

Army Reserve, served in Iraq. Call me cynical, but if we had (God forbid) a President Palin (I threw up in my mouth a little just typing that) I doubt he would see combat, not that I wish that on anyone.

I actually saw a "Sarah for President!" bumper sticker the other day. About drove off the road laughing.


I believe he's in the IRR, after his active-duty time was mysteriously shortened.
 
2014-03-09 06:01:22 PM  

rohar: Satanic_Hamster: rohar: On top of that, Ukrainian weaponry keeps showing up in Afghanistan to help our enemies kill us.

Source?

They're the 4th largest weapons exporter in the world.  All of our allies either make their own or buy ours.  Where do you think all that weaponry is being sold?


So do you have a source that the Taliban is armed with Ukrainian weapons or not?
 
2014-03-09 06:12:23 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: rohar: Satanic_Hamster: rohar: On top of that, Ukrainian weaponry keeps showing up in Afghanistan to help our enemies kill us.

Source?

They're the 4th largest weapons exporter in the world.  All of our allies either make their own or buy ours.  Where do you think all that weaponry is being sold?

So do you have a source that the Taliban is armed with Ukrainian weapons or not?


With all of the noise on the internet about Ukraine lately it's a bit tough.  Easy to find their weapons in both sides of Syria, Lybia etc, tougher with Afghanistan.  Historical failed attempts to sell cruise missiles to Iran.

But you're probably right, they're an "ally".
 
2014-03-09 06:21:46 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: I suggest we all take Cameron's


Bathe everything in blue light?

Oh not that Cameron.
 
2014-03-09 06:22:41 PM  
Yank Smellfinger?
 
2014-03-09 06:31:05 PM  
Ciberido - I'm not sure which you are talking about.  That I guessed he couldn't fathom an idea because of his bias?  I guess that could be taken as an insult.  That I quoted his weird-crazy-ditzy comment?  That certainly is an insult but really from him towards Palin and certainly not from me.  That he couldn't fathom an idea?  That was an insult.
 
2014-03-09 06:39:19 PM  

rohar: Satanic_Hamster: rohar: Satanic_Hamster: rohar: On top of that, Ukrainian weaponry keeps showing up in Afghanistan to help our enemies kill us.

Source?

They're the 4th largest weapons exporter in the world.  All of our allies either make their own or buy ours.  Where do you think all that weaponry is being sold?

So do you have a source that the Taliban is armed with Ukrainian weapons or not?

With all of the noise on the internet about Ukraine lately it's a bit tough.  Easy to find their weapons in both sides of Syria, Lybia etc, tougher with Afghanistan.  Historical failed attempts to sell cruise missiles to Iran.

But you're probably right, they're an "ally".


So you're just pulling shiat out of your ass, then.
 
2014-03-09 07:26:07 PM  

zzzzt: PsiChick:  Globally: Peace through strength in large part was what ended the cold war.  In your home town:  A big guy walks through a bad neighborhood and isn't bothered.  A smaller weaker looking guy walking through that same neighborhood has a more likely chance of being harmed.  Peace through strength has always worked.  The bad guys only attack those they believe can be defeated.

gfid:
I could go on until my fingers are sore about evidence that Obama is an idiot, but it would all be completely circumstantial.  He would never have even been in the position to be elected to such a high office unless he was extremely intelligent.  My comment was simply that the same logic applies to Palin and that you and others like you mindlessly parrot what you have heard repeated by biased sources and are only non-thinking sheep.

At no point did she say we should nuke them.  Her only comment about that was "Mr. President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke."  If you choose to take that as her endorsement to start a nuclear war, then I offer that as yet more proof that you are only a sheep.  And an idiot...


Steve:
"Happy to be here" ended after the 3rd paragraph which was maybe 10% of the speech.  After that she talked about the reelection of Obama and how that effected Republicans.  Then she went into how the idea of "free" doesn't exist as a lead in to talking about Obamacare .  She then promoted some other politicians and progress they've made.  She then spent a lot of time on the problems Obama and the left have caused.  That gets me half way through and I won't bore you with the rest.

If you spent more than 30 seconds reading it, you'd see that It is fairly well put together, but was also directed towards a crowd that is already in her corner.  This is probably why you see it as weird-crazy-ditzy.  My guess is that you can't fathom the idea that someone who doesn't believe in what you believe is anything other than an idiot.

Baa ...


OOohhh she's already slept with you, hasn't she?

Conservatives are sneaky that way - they give you big tent, then you spend the rest of your existence rationalizing why it was okay, you'll be okay, everything will be okay..

..just dont stop and think. that's a cliff, amigo.
 
2014-03-09 07:33:31 PM  
Only thing that stops an oversexed political bully with a nuke is a self-promoting twit with a nuke.
 
2014-03-09 08:05:24 PM  
Nickname - Slept with me?  That's a pretty sexist statement...  The rest of your comments are just meaningless partisan blather.  If you really believe it, then let me speak to you in your native language:  Baaaa.
 
2014-03-09 08:10:43 PM  

zzzzt: Nickname - Slept with me?  That's a pretty sexist statement...  The rest of your comments are just meaningless partisan blather.  If you really believe it, then let me speak to you in your native language:  Baaaa.


don't suppose i need to quote the other guy's post - that speech was a tripe right-meme disaster with zero substance.

Doesn't matter if it's a male or a female, it was empty of ideas, empty of purpose, and heavy on emotional wish-fufillment.

The type of thing you'd defend.. if you were personally involved in seeing the answer you already want to be right. That's not science, nor wise policy.
 
2014-03-09 08:19:13 PM  
(in otherwords ZZZzzzzt, it's easy when you're the minority party to say and believe reckless things to rile people - you hope - harmlessly into your arms. The big problem is, they don't stop when they get power. This speech is prima facie evidence of that -- because no one who ever expected to ever EVER be near the big red button would talk like that, not even Palin. It's a symptom of persecution, that she thinks so little of her ever having control that she need not be a responsible politician. this goes for the rest of GOTP, too)
 
2014-03-09 08:44:54 PM  

vygramul: Mentat: Techhell: They think that America can destroy Russia before Russia can launch their own nukes back. They also honestly don't care if Europe gets nuked since there is next to nothing that they get from Europe (that they know of) so there is no personal loss for them.

That's kind of the crux of the entire situation.  Conservatives seem to think that if Russia feared us, they wouldn't do these things.  The truth is, Russia is doing these things because they fear us.  In the last 20 years, their Eastern European buffer zone has almost disappeared.  Riga and Kiev are 1.5 hours flight from Moscow.  We are in military terms right on their door step.  Even without a missile shield, our first strike advantage is daunting and Russia knows it.  In expanding NATO and the EU so quickly, we've pushed Russia's backs against the wall.  Not that I oppose NATO expansion, but this is one of the consequences.

Must be nice to just give Russia all those other people. Because Russia's buffer zone matters because they were invaded a couple of times. But Ukraine's buffer zone needs are irrelevant - they were only occupied for a few centuries. That's nothing like having some people pay you a visit for a grand total of a decade.


Understanding is not the same as condoning.  You have to understand your opponent if you want to defeat him.  The Russians get very nervous when Western armies get too close to Moscow which is why they're making these moves.
 
2014-03-09 08:47:15 PM  

zzzzt: Ciberido - I'm not sure which you are talking about.  That I guessed he couldn't fathom an idea because of his bias?  I guess that could be taken as an insult.  That I quoted his weird-crazy-ditzy comment?  That certainly is an insult but really from him towards Palin and certainly not from me.  That he couldn't fathom an idea?  That was an insult.


It was "you can't fathom the idea that someone who doesn't believe in what you believe is anything other than an idiot," specifically.
 
2014-03-09 09:08:40 PM  

Mentat: Understanding is not the same as condoning.  You have to understand your opponent if you want to defeat him.  The Russians get very nervous when Western armies get too close to Moscow which is why they're making these moves.


Except Western armies haven't moved closer in more'n a decade.
 
2014-03-09 09:13:33 PM  
Sobriquet - She talks about Obama reducing our military might and explains why this is a bad thing because a bad guy with nukes will only be stopped by a good guy with nukes.  I think most people will agree that a weaker US military will embolden the bad guys to do things they ordinarily would never consider.  None of this has anything to do with advocating war and none of it is evidence of some psychological persecution issues that you are amazingly capable of diagnosing.

Ciberido - No matter how well deserved, I shouldn't have lowered myself to that level.  It only makes the forums worse.  Sometimes it's hard to jump into a pig pen without getting dirty.
 
2014-03-09 09:45:07 PM  
If you think it's a pig pen then don't let the knob hit ya where Old Nick split ya.
 
2014-03-09 09:46:39 PM  
She can't be this stupid can she?

She says these things for shock value right,  like Howard Stern does?

Right?  I hope..

/knows her audience
 
2014-03-09 09:47:36 PM  

Boo_Guy: She can't be this stupid can she?

She says these things for shock value right,  like Howard Stern does?

Right?  I hope..

/knows her audience


So endeth the joke.
 
2014-03-09 10:45:56 PM  

zzzzt: Sobriquet -   evidence of some psychological persecution issues that you are amazingly capable of diagnosing.


I spared you the taunting you deserve, this one's on the house:  http://bit.ly/1eiFGP9.
 
2014-03-10 12:50:21 AM  

vygramul: Mentat: Understanding is not the same as condoning.  You have to understand your opponent if you want to defeat him.  The Russians get very nervous when Western armies get too close to Moscow which is why they're making these moves.

Except Western armies haven't moved closer in more'n a decade.


Only because NATO has honored a gentleman's agreement to keep Ukraine out.  From the Russian perspective, the Maidan put that in jeopardy.
 
2014-03-10 01:48:41 AM  

People_are_Idiots: I will say despite the levels of crazy, she's better looking than Hillary "Pruneface" Clinton. Not by a lot though.


It's like being almost twenty years older ages you or something. Hillary is old enough to be Palin's mother.
 
2014-03-10 02:08:42 AM  
Everyone get your best stick ready for WWIV
 
2014-03-10 03:20:18 AM  

fredmcmurray: People_are_Idiots: I will say despite the levels of crazy, she's better looking than Hillary "Pruneface" Clinton. Not by a lot though.

It's like being almost twenty years older ages you or something. Hillary is old enough to be Palin's mother.


Here's the beef though.... Hillary looks ugly 20 years ago too.

/20 years ago was 1994 after all.
 
2014-03-10 03:35:42 AM  

People_are_Idiots: Here's the beef though.... Hillary looks ugly 20 years ago too.


One word from Palin's mouth instantly nullified any amount of beauty she ever held in my eyes (admittedly not a ton to begin with... I'm averse to trailer trash).
 
2014-03-10 04:10:23 AM  

People_are_Idiots: fredmcmurray: People_are_Idiots: I will say despite the levels of crazy, she's better looking than Hillary "Pruneface" Clinton. Not by a lot though.

It's like being almost twenty years older ages you or something. Hillary is old enough to be Palin's mother.

Here's the beef though.... Hillary looks ugly 20 years ago too.

/20 years ago was 1994 after all.


I'd rather hear advice from an older, weathered woman than a younger pretty one; there's a reason many cultures revere the 'Crone' aspect. They've been around long enough to call bullshiat when they see it.
 
2014-03-10 04:30:53 AM  

ladyfortuna: People_are_Idiots: fredmcmurray: People_are_Idiots: I will say despite the levels of crazy, she's better looking than Hillary "Pruneface" Clinton. Not by a lot though.

It's like being almost twenty years older ages you or something. Hillary is old enough to be Palin's mother.

Here's the beef though.... Hillary looks ugly 20 years ago too.

/20 years ago was 1994 after all.

I'd rather hear advice from an older, weathered woman than a younger pretty one; there's a reason many cultures revere the 'Crone' aspect. They've been around long enough to call bullshiat when they see it.


fredmcmurray: People_are_Idiots: Here's the beef though.... Hillary looks ugly 20 years ago too.

One word from Palin's mouth instantly nullified any amount of beauty she ever held in my eyes (admittedly not a ton to begin with... I'm averse to trailer trash).


Well, my opinion: They're both batshiat crazy, so all you'll have is looks...
 
2014-03-10 05:18:20 AM  
This is why you should never vote for anyone who embraces the Death Cult called Christianity.  They'll get you killed.
 
2014-03-10 07:30:32 AM  

The Southern Dandy: This is why you should never vote for anyone who embraces the Death Cult called Christianity.  They'll get you killed.


Yeah the Fun Cult called Islam is so much better ; )
 
2014-03-10 07:40:33 AM  

Mentat: vygramul: Mentat: Understanding is not the same as condoning.  You have to understand your opponent if you want to defeat him.  The Russians get very nervous when Western armies get too close to Moscow which is why they're making these moves.

Except Western armies haven't moved closer in more'n a decade.

Only because NATO has honored a gentleman's agreement to keep Ukraine out.  From the Russian perspective, the Maidan put that in jeopardy.


Ukraine's not in for reasons that have nothing to do with any gentleman's agreement. The Maidan wasn't going to change that without making substantial changes to make Ukraine a better country. Not only that, but this isn't the first pro-Ukrainian government since the fall. There's nothing special about this one.

And being in NATO doesn't mean you get NATO bases in your country, so the armies still don't end up any closer anyway. Heck, there are fewer NATO troops in Europe now than 20 years ago.
 
2014-03-10 09:05:01 AM  
Huh.  So she still thinks people care what she has to say.
 
2014-03-10 10:59:55 AM  
So, Palin paraphrases the NRA, the media is offended, and Palin looks more like Ronnie Ray-Gun.

What's hilarious is that she's entirely correct in what she actually said, but the liberals would rather die than admit it. Literally rather die, as their "benevolent" unchallenged rule over Detroit has demonstrated. I remember a recent FARK headline, "Fishes wonder why their bicycles aren't protecting them," about women living in "gun-free" neighborhoods complaining about blatant daylight purse-snatchings, including one that resulted in the shooting death of one woman's boyfriend when he tried to chase down the snatchers who stole her purse. Too bad not a single person quoted in the article had enough sense to realize that, if you take all the guns away from the good guys, any bad guy who gets a gun becomes unstoppable.

/hold more rallies, lose more purses, whatever goats your float
//eventually the police will catch the criminals
///but it still takes good guys with guns to stop bad guys with guns
 
2014-03-10 03:23:10 PM  

Tatterdemalian: , if you take all the guns away from the good guys, any bad guy who gets a gun becomes unstoppable.


They're not guns, they're nuclear weapons. No one is going to start a nuclear war over something  as trivial as the Ukraine.
 
2014-03-10 05:40:06 PM  

Mugato: Tatterdemalian: , if you take all the guns away from the good guys, any bad guy who gets a gun becomes unstoppable.

They're not guns, they're nuclear weapons. No one is going to start a nuclear war over something  as trivial as the Ukraine.


If there wasn't at least one good guy with nukes watching over the whole thing, you'd better believe a nuclear war would be started, if just the threat alone wasn't enough for the bad guys to be appeased with whatever they want.

/it's fun to pretend conservatives are so stupid that they would start firing nukes at everything
//but when you start believing it, you might as well drink the kool-aid, because the whole world is going to keep making less sense until you end it all
 
2014-03-10 07:37:12 PM  

HawgWild: mutterfark: And 46% of voting Americans considered this woman to be VP/Presidential material in 2008.

FTFY


I'm always amused at all of the Palin hate yet Biden gets a pass.

/your bias is showing.
 
2014-03-10 08:30:54 PM  

Tatterdemalian: If there wasn't at least one good guy with nukes watching over the whole thing, you'd better believe a nuclear war would be started, if just the threat alone wasn't enough for the bad guys to be appeased with whatever they want.


Even the "bad guys" aren't going to destroy the planet. No  world leader is that crazy. Okay, maybe some are.
 
2014-03-10 08:39:53 PM  

zepher: I'm always amused at all of the Palin hate yet Biden gets a pass.

/your bias is showing.


What's the knock on Biden?

/did he quit as governor too?
 
2014-03-10 08:52:45 PM  
Frederick: zepher: I'm always amused at all of the Palin hate yet Biden gets a pass.

/your bias is showing.

What's the knock on Biden?

/did he quit as governor too?


He misspelled "potatoe".
 
2014-03-10 09:02:03 PM  

Mugato: Tatterdemalian: If there wasn't at least one good guy with nukes watching over the whole thing, you'd better believe a nuclear war would be started, if just the threat alone wasn't enough for the bad guys to be appeased with whatever they want.

Even the "bad guys" aren't going to destroy the planet. No  world leader is that crazy. Okay, maybe some are.


A single nuclear strike, especially one that isn't responded to in kind, isn't going to "destroy the planet." Japan's already taken two nukes to the face, and their country remains undestroyed, let alone the planet.

What you should worry about is the lack of anyone willing to be a good guy with a nuke. We've already shown Putin we won't take any action to stop the use of chemical weapons in Syria... maybe we would ignore just one little nuclear strike on Kiev as well. Not our country, not our NATO, not our problem, right? And not only would Ukraine surrender, but probably Georgia, maybe even all the old Soviet satellite states, once they see that the US is going to keep playing the "we didn't see that" game.

/and all because nukes are so scary-bad that nobody wanted to be the nuclear-powered Globocop
 
2014-03-10 09:14:35 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Mugato: Tatterdemalian: If there wasn't at least one good guy with nukes watching over the whole thing, you'd better believe a nuclear war would be started, if just the threat alone wasn't enough for the bad guys to be appeased with whatever they want.

Even the "bad guys" aren't going to destroy the planet. No  world leader is that crazy. Okay, maybe some are.

A single nuclear strike, especially one that isn't responded to in kind, isn't going to "destroy the planet." Japan's already taken two nukes to the face, and their country remains undestroyed, let alone the planet.

What you should worry about is the lack of anyone willing to be a good guy with a nuke. We've already shown Putin we won't take any action to stop the use of chemical weapons in Syria... maybe we would ignore just one little nuclear strike on Kiev as well. Not our country, not our NATO, not our problem, right? And not only would Ukraine surrender, but probably Georgia, maybe even all the old Soviet satellite states, once they see that the US is going to keep playing the "we didn't see that" game.

/and all because nukes are so scary-bad that nobody wanted to be the nuclear-powered Globocop


You're using too much Veganaise(TM) in your poeslaw.
 
2014-03-10 09:14:57 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: zzzzt: Sobriquet -   evidence of some psychological persecution issues that you are amazingly capable of diagnosing.

I spared you the taunting you deserve, this one's on the house:  http://bit.ly/1eiFGP9.


I smell red herring.
 
2014-03-10 09:19:22 PM  

Tatterdemalian: A single nuclear strike, especially one that isn't responded to in kind, isn't going to "destroy the planet." Japan's already taken two nukes to the face, and their country remains undestroyed, let alone the planet.


Number one, the US was the only one with nuclear weapons at the time. Number two, that was Hiroshima. Nuclear weapons are measured in numbers ofs "Hiroshimas" meaning everyone's nukes are a lot more powerful than they were when we awoke Godzilla.
 
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