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(Washington Post)   Rand Paul wins CPAC straw poll, joining Presidents Romney, Allen, Giuliani, Bauer, Forbes, Gramm, and Kemp   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 100
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2014-03-09 09:15:20 AM  
That is a fine headline.
 
2014-03-09 09:17:37 AM  
I'm mostly just stunned that Romney was ever considered Conservative Enough™ to win anything but derision at CPAC
 
2014-03-09 09:21:14 AM  
You forgot President RONPAUL. Otherwise great headline

/RON PAUL
 
2014-03-09 09:28:57 AM  
It is 1952, every man is heading off to the office in his new Buick dressed in a  white pressed shirt, red tie with a brief case.  Every woman is dressed in a pretty dress and is more than happy to clean the house and take care of the children.  Every Sunday they greeted the minister of their Christian protestant church and have a roasted chicken for dinner.  There were no minorities, poor, homosexuals or weather [it snowed everywhere around Christmas so dad and the kids could make a snowman while mom made hot coco.]

To win the CPAC pole just convince enough voters that you will return America to 1952.
 
2014-03-09 09:30:32 AM  
C'mon.....run you farking mutant.  Step into the light and let's see what you're really all about you ignorant racist arse.  Step up and show America what you and the rest of your party are made of.
 
2014-03-09 09:33:15 AM  

DemonEater: I'm mostly just stunned that Romney was ever considered Conservative Enough™ to win anything but derision at CPAC


Depends on how you define 'conservative', of course.  Born into wealth, with a very controlling religion, and one of the most uptight looking men ever to walk the Earth..
 
2014-03-09 09:34:30 AM  
At least Cruz will have more examples for his "Principles" speech at CPAC 2017.
 
2014-03-09 09:39:02 AM  
I'm assuming they have their post-election press releases all ready to go blaming voter fraud and moochers for Rand's defeat, and an assurance that they'll surely win next by by "running a TRUE conservative"
 
2014-03-09 09:39:19 AM  

Cheron: It is 1952, every man is heading off to the office in his new Buick dressed in a  white pressed shirt, red tie with a brief case.  Every woman is dressed in a pretty dress and is more than happy to clean the house and take care of the children.  Every Sunday they greeted the minister of their Christian protestant church and have a roasted chicken for dinner.  There were no minorities, poor, homosexuals or weather [it snowed everywhere around Christmas so dad and the kids could make a snowman while mom made hot coco.]

To win the CPAC pole just convince enough voters that you will return America to 1952.


While also convincing them that your policies will turn everyone into the robber barons of the 19th century.
 
2014-03-09 09:40:10 AM  

Alphax: DemonEater: I'm mostly just stunned that Romney was ever considered Conservative Enough™ to win anything but derision at CPAC

Depends on how you define 'conservative', of course.  Born into wealth, with a very controlling religion, and one of the most uptight looking men ever to walk the Earth..


Just upright? The stick up his butt has a stick up its butt.
 
2014-03-09 09:41:51 AM  

Cheron: It is 1952, every man is heading off to the office in his new Buick dressed in a  white pressed shirt, red tie with a brief case.  Every woman is dressed in a pretty dress and is more than happy to clean the house and take care of the children.  Every Sunday they greeted the minister of their Christian protestant church and have a roasted chicken for dinner.  There were no minorities, poor, homosexuals or weather [it snowed everywhere around Christmas so dad and the kids could make a snowman while mom made hot coco.]

To win the CPAC pole just convince enough voters that you will return America to 1952.


Sadly for Republicans, what made the 1952 world so wonderful was high taxes, union and strong anti-gun laws.
 
2014-03-09 09:43:39 AM  

Skarekrough: C'mon.....run you farking mutant.  Step into the light and let's see what you're really all about you ignorant racist arse.  Step up and show America what you and the rest of your party are made of.


Don't do it Rand Paul! It's a trick! :-)

What if he's the real deal. I know, it's really way too early to get our hopes up (curse you DST!) But is it wrong for a man to dream about another man? Is it?
 
2014-03-09 09:47:47 AM  
31%. They lovehimsomuch.
 
2014-03-09 09:49:59 AM  

Destructor: Skarekrough: C'mon.....run you farking mutant.  Step into the light and let's see what you're really all about you ignorant racist arse.  Step up and show America what you and the rest of your party are made of.

Don't do it Rand Paul! It's a trick! :-)

What if he's the real deal. I know, it's really way too early to get our hopes up (curse you DST!) But is it wrong for a man to dream about another man? Is it?


ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com

Whatever gets you up in the morning, bud.
 
2014-03-09 09:53:42 AM  
fta The survey may not be too significant.

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2014-03-09 09:54:48 AM  

Muta: Cheron: It is 1952, every man is heading off to the office in his new Buick dressed in a  white pressed shirt, red tie with a brief case.  Every woman is dressed in a pretty dress and is more than happy to clean the house and take care of the children.  Every Sunday they greeted the minister of their Christian protestant church and have a roasted chicken for dinner.  There were no minorities, poor, homosexuals or weather [it snowed everywhere around Christmas so dad and the kids could make a snowman while mom made hot coco.]

To win the CPAC pole just convince enough voters that you will return America to 1952.

Sadly for Republicans, what made the 1952 world so wonderful was high taxes, union and strong anti-gun laws.


It is funny that nearly every time the country goes more "libertarian" the worse things get.
 
2014-03-09 09:58:04 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: Whatever gets you up in the morning, bud.


Ungh. I give you guys the perfect chance for a brilliant moment with improv, and you went "there" instead.

No, the correct answer is: At CPAC it is.
 
2014-03-09 10:01:58 AM  
At CPAC, the more heartless, scornful, and vindictive you are to the "left" the better you do in the straw poll.

So, he gave the cruelest speech.
 
2014-03-09 10:07:31 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: It is funny that nearly every time the country goes more "libertarian" the worse things get.


Sir, speaking as someone closely approximating a libertarian, you are indeed correct. But only if you're not a libertarian.

Just like every time things go more liberal, its bad for libertarians. Basically, everyone wants the world the way they want it and is unhappy when they don't get it. This has been troubling me of late.

I think the answer might be to give states more power. That way the 'Merica states can enjoy their way of life, living side-by-side with the Commie states. That's just another dream I have... I just don't know how practical it is. Probably not very. :-(

Republicans aren't evil (well... not all of them). They just want that perfect hyper-idealized 1950 way of life that never existed (libertarians, not so much). Democrats want their own special consequence free brand of social utopia. If only there was a way to make everyone happy... /shrug
 
2014-03-09 10:11:38 AM  

whitman00: At CPAC, the more heartless, scornful, and vindictive you are to the "left" the better you do in the straw poll.

So, he gave the cruelest speech.


Poor Raphael Cruz.
 
2014-03-09 10:14:41 AM  
Rand Paul is exactly the kind of Briar Patch I'd like to be tossed into.
 
2014-03-09 10:18:19 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: Whatever gets you up in the morning, bud.


You know, I often wondered what the photographer was thinking in those pictures.  I mean, I know it was a paid shoot, and this person may or may not have agreed with the Paul at all.  But really, a plain blue infinity drop for a workout "set" was bad enough, but almost every picture they captured of him makes him look less like "I'm feeling the burn" and more "I'm straining against constipation."

They could't find a pic that doesn't have him making a weird face?  Or is that just his natural state?
 
2014-03-09 10:19:28 AM  

edmo: 31%. They lovehimsomuch.


Rand won last year with only 25%. His daddy, Ron, won in 2011 with 30%, and in 2010 with 31%. I'd be interested/frightened to see what it would take for a candidate to win 50%+1
 
2014-03-09 10:22:13 AM  

LasersHurt: Rand Paul is exactly the kind of Briar Patch I'd like to be tossed into.


www.sheckys.com

/NTTAWWT
 
2014-03-09 10:27:50 AM  

whitman00: At CPAC, the more heartless, scornful, and vindictive you are to the "left" the better you do in the straw poll.

So, he gave the cruelest speech.


Damnit, whitman00, you've made me start watching it. :-) Half way through, waiting to see the cruelty... nothing yet (unless you work for the NSA).

If you guys are interested, you can watch it here. Or you can just "magically know" how evil it is already. Both are good. Well... One is better. You know what I mean...  :-)
 
2014-03-09 10:28:08 AM  
Kemp? I used to know some Kemp supporters, and they were the most reasonable Republicans you could find. Was CPAC more or less sane back in Kemp's day?
 
2014-03-09 10:28:32 AM  

Notabunny: edmo: 31%. They lovehimsomuch.

Rand won last year with only 25%. His daddy, Ron, won in 2011 with 30%, and in 2010 with 31%. I'd be interested/frightened to see what it would take for a candidate to win 50%+1


This year I'm sure Putin would have gotten a clear majority.
 
2014-03-09 10:31:57 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Notabunny: edmo: 31%. They lovehimsomuch.

Rand won last year with only 25%. His daddy, Ron, won in 2011 with 30%, and in 2010 with 31%. I'd be interested/frightened to see what it would take for a candidate to win 50%+1

This year I'm sure Putin would have gotten a clear majority.


You joke, but I've seen a lot of really creepy worship of Putin from the right wing talking heads seeping it's way down to the plebs on the ground.  People around here, in the actual US Marines, saying how they wish they had a leader like Putin instead of the "Wimp-in-Chief."    

These are also the same Marines that have a Marine Semper Fi sticker in their window next to a Confederate flag, of course, so I think irony is generally lost upon them.
 
2014-03-09 10:36:27 AM  
To be fair, Rand just took last year's poll and put his name at the top.
 
2014-03-09 10:41:32 AM  
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2014-03-09 10:42:21 AM  
This is why I can't take Republicans seriously... This guy? This is your champion of conservatism?

Please... I don't know what's more ridiculous; Republican Fantasy Land or Libertarian Fantasy Land.
 
2014-03-09 10:44:22 AM  

Shadowknight: rzrwiresunrise: Whatever gets you up in the morning, bud.

You know, I often wondered what the photographer was thinking in those pictures.  I mean, I know it was a paid shoot, and this person may or may not have agreed with the Paul at all.  But really, a plain blue infinity drop for a workout "set" was bad enough, but almost every picture they captured of him makes him look less like "I'm feeling the burn" and more "I'm straining against constipation."

They could't find a pic that doesn't have him making a weird face?  Or is that just his natural state?


Just like some perfectly nice women have biatchy Resting Face (BRF), Paul Ryan has Douchey Resting Face (DRF).  Won't you donate now to help find a cure?
 
2014-03-09 10:45:29 AM  

Shadowknight: You joke, but I've seen a lot of really creepy worship of Putin from the right wing talking heads seeping it's way down to the plebs on the ground. People around here, in the actual US Marines, saying how they wish they had a leader like Putin instead of the "Wimp-in-Chief."


That's nonsense, if Obama was like Putin then all his detractors would be located in isolated wastelands surrounded by guns.... Oh my god.
 
2014-03-09 10:48:59 AM  
Gary Bauer... there's a name I haven't heard of in a long time.
 
2014-03-09 10:51:38 AM  

Lochsteppe: Shadowknight: rzrwiresunrise: Whatever gets you up in the morning, bud.

You know, I often wondered what the photographer was thinking in those pictures.  I mean, I know it was a paid shoot, and this person may or may not have agreed with the Paul at all.  But really, a plain blue infinity drop for a workout "set" was bad enough, but almost every picture they captured of him makes him look less like "I'm feeling the burn" and more "I'm straining against constipation."

They could't find a pic that doesn't have him making a weird face?  Or is that just his natural state?

Just like some perfectly nice women have biatchy Resting Face (BRF), Paul Ryan has Douchey Resting Face (DRF).  Won't you donate now to help find a cure?


I'd rather just sit back and watch him drive that GOP bus past the "Bridge Out Ahead" sign, again.

/pass the popcorn, please
 
2014-03-09 11:17:38 AM  
Keep f*cking that chicken, kids. It's totally working. You got that Obama on the ropes now...
 
2014-03-09 11:45:29 AM  

Destructor: Tyrone Slothrop: It is funny that nearly every time the country goes more "libertarian" the worse things get.

Sir, speaking as someone closely approximating a libertarian, you are indeed correct. But only if you're not a libertarian.


So I guess libertarians want the pollution and failed financial systems that come with deregulation. And they want the income disparity that comes with the lowering of taxes and loss of unions.

Just like every time things go more liberal, its bad for libertarians. Basically, everyone wants the world the way they want it and is unhappy when they don't get it. This has been troubling me of late.

I think the answer might be to give states more power. That way the 'Merica states can enjoy their way of life, living side-by-side with the Commie states. That's just another dream I have... I just don't know how practical it is. Probably not very. :-(


We tried giving the states more power. It was called The Articles of Confederation, and was a massive failure.

Republicans aren't evil (well... not all of them). They just want that perfect hyper-idealized 1950 way of life that never existed (libertarians, not so much). Democrats want their own special consequence free brand of social utopia. If only there was a way to make everyone happy... /shrug

I don't want or expect utopia. But we've tried libertarian ideas, and they don't work.
 
2014-03-09 12:10:13 PM  
Last year Marco Rubio polled 24% at CPAC.  Let's take a look at this year:

6%.

Ow, that's gotta burn.

Hey House Dems. take a page from the GOP pagebook and cook up an ambitious immigration reform plan that you know will never pass the House. Whip up the voters that usually ignore midterms.
 
2014-03-09 12:11:53 PM  

Cheron: It is 1952, every man is heading off to the office in his new Buick dressed in a  white pressed shirt, red tie with a brief case.  Every woman is dressed in a pretty dress and is more than happy to clean the house and take care of the children.  Every Sunday they greeted the minister of their Christian protestant church and have a roasted chicken for dinner.  There were no minorities, poor, homosexuals or weather [it snowed everywhere around Christmas so dad and the kids could make a snowman while mom made hot coco.]

To win the CPAC pole just convince enough voters that you will return America to 1952.


Hot Coco

www1.pictures.zimbio.com

Hot Cocoa

www.hsd3.org
 
2014-03-09 12:12:22 PM  
President Bauer was a flip-flopper!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_zBloTDO_0
 
2014-03-09 12:28:49 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: So I guess libertarians want the pollution and failed financial systems that come with deregulation. And they want the income disparity that comes with the lowering of taxes and loss of unions.


About as much as Democrats want failed Solyndras, giant corporations, and an expanding poor class.

Tyrone Slothrop: We tried giving the states more power. It was called The Articles of Confederation, and was a massive failure.


And the Soviets tried Marxism, and that didn't work out too great either. (Why the articles of confederation suck).

I'd like to see a small, yet powerful Fed using the structure we have now (more or less). Expanded powers given to the states especially over the hot button divisive issues.

Tyrone Slothrop: I don't want or expect utopia. But we've tried libertarian ideas, and they don't work.


Colorado and Washington: Legalizing pot there seems to be turning out okay; Libertarians like that sort of thing. See, this really isn't a libertarian idea inasmuch as it is, let the red states and blue states do their own thing. Maybe Reagan style New Federalism? /shrug.

I assume that's what Rand Paul wants. He seems to be all about liberty, and IMHO, that's really the only way he can get it. So, it sort of resonates with me. Guess we'll have to see.

(Don't worry though. I've found that whenever I like a primary candidate, they always lose, and whoever I like the least wins. For the prophecy to be fulfilled, someone like Christy or Santorum will probably win.)
 
2014-03-09 12:34:06 PM  

CheapEngineer: Hot Coco


Hmmm. The 50's are looking better and better.
 
2014-03-09 12:44:01 PM  

Destructor: I'd like to see a small, yet powerful Fed using the structure we have now (more or less). Expanded powers given to the states especially over the hot button divisive issues.


What hot-button divisive issues would you give control of back to the states? To my mind most of those are precisely the ones the states shouldn't have control of because the deep red ones will go bass-ackwards and their populations will suffer.
 
2014-03-09 12:49:26 PM  
Giving expanded powers to the states only encourages shiatty behavior from corrupt legislators, who are way cheaper for lobbyists to buy. You want the state governments in Kansas, North Carolina, and Arizona to have a GREATER ability to run roughshod over their citizens?

This whole debacle with governor McCrory and Duke Energy? And the fact that the Republicans running the NC general Assembly have tried to keep people from suing Duke Energy in Federal Court because of their generous campaign contributions? Yeah, that's a taste of what libertarianism gives us.

/registered NCLP 2000-2010
//quit voting for them after the party went off the deep end
 
2014-03-09 12:54:10 PM  
Oh wow, look at all the propaganda and echo-chamber shenanigans in here. Whole 'lotta "das racist".

Destructor: whitman00: At CPAC, the more heartless, scornful, and vindictive you are to the "left" the better you do in the straw poll.

So, he gave the cruelest speech.

Damnit, whitman00, you've made me start watching it. :-) Half way through, waiting to see the cruelty... nothing yet (unless you work for the NSA).

If you guys are interested, you can watch it here. Or you can just "magically know" how evil it is already. Both are good. Well... One is better. You know what I mean...  :-)


One of the few rational posts. I don't agree with all he says, as a left-leaning libertarian, but Rand is at least paying lip service to civil liberties in a time that we desperately need it. The fact is though, he's not his father, and seems to be more in bed with the establishment GOP than I'd like.
 
2014-03-09 01:03:29 PM  

DemonEater: What hot-button divisive issues would you give control of back to the states? To my mind most of those are precisely the ones the states shouldn't have control of because the deep red ones will go bass-ackwards and their populations will suffer.


Oh, I'm sort of thinking out loud here... But, you name it. Abortion, drug legalization/criminalization, minimum/maximum wage, income tax (how its apportioned), guns, healthcare. Hell, flood insurance? Maybe even immigration?  I'm don't think you can axe highway funds or research programs (mostly because they're popular). Military still must to be centralized. Regulatory stuff, could be relaxed somewhat... But I'm not thrilled at the prospect of Indiana smelting iron ore without scrubbing to some agreed upon national limit first.

The central idea is: You let derpy states be derpy, and smart states stay smart. If a derpy state "learns a lesson", they can then change their derpy ways. States working as laboratories. As soon as one or many of them hit on something sweet, the others can try it.
 
2014-03-09 01:09:22 PM  

Destructor: DemonEater: What hot-button divisive issues would you give control of back to the states? To my mind most of those are precisely the ones the states shouldn't have control of because the deep red ones will go bass-ackwards and their populations will suffer.

Oh, I'm sort of thinking out loud here... But, you name it. Abortion, drug legalization/criminalization, minimum/maximum wage, income tax (how its apportioned), guns, healthcare. Hell, flood insurance? Maybe even immigration?  I'm don't think you can axe highway funds or research programs (mostly because they're popular). Military still must to be centralized. Regulatory stuff, could be relaxed somewhat... But I'm not thrilled at the prospect of Indiana smelting iron ore without scrubbing to some agreed upon national limit first.

The central idea is: You let derpy states be derpy, and smart states stay smart. If a derpy state "learns a lesson", they can then change their derpy ways. States working as laboratories. As soon as one or many of them hit on something sweet, the others can try it.


Yeah, it's a shame it doesn't work that way. The derpy states already drag us down and they'd drag us down even more if we gave authority to the states to deal with problems.

They simply can't be trusted to do anything on their own without scapegoating groups of people and persecuting them.
 
2014-03-09 01:09:56 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Giving expanded powers to the states only encourages shiatty behavior from corrupt legislators, who are way cheaper for lobbyists to buy. You want the state governments in Kansas, North Carolina, and Arizona to have a GREATER ability to run roughshod over their citizens?


I'm not sure corruption is sensitive to level changes. It seems pretty much a constant in the universe to me. The only thing that can fix it--and I've yet to see it happen--is real transparency.

Man, remember a few years back when congress exempted themselves from insider trading requirements? Wow. I could not believe it. Anyway, crap like that has to go.

(Footnote: Congress should never be able to make a law they exempt themselves from. Ever. May need an amendment for that... but, the anger has faded over time... just what they were hoping would happen...)
 
2014-03-09 01:24:29 PM  

Destructor: UNC_Samurai: Giving expanded powers to the states only encourages shiatty behavior from corrupt legislators, who are way cheaper for lobbyists to buy. You want the state governments in Kansas, North Carolina, and Arizona to have a GREATER ability to run roughshod over their citizens?

I'm not sure corruption is sensitive to level changes. It seems pretty much a constant in the universe to me. The only thing that can fix it--and I've yet to see it happen--is real transparency.

Man, remember a few years back when congress exempted themselves from insider trading requirements? Wow. I could not believe it. Anyway, crap like that has to go.

(Footnote: Congress should never be able to make a law they exempt themselves from. Ever. May need an amendment for that... but, the anger has faded over time... just what they were hoping would happen...)


Don't stop preaching it, bro. Corruption is the elephant in the room and there's not going to be much we can do until we're rid of it, or at least cut it down to a more reasonable level. We can't give into fatalism and outrage fatigue.
 
2014-03-09 01:24:33 PM  
Did we seriously get a "but but TRUE libertarianism hasn't been tried yet" post? I mean, honestly?
 
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