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2014-03-09 08:54:39 AM  
Wasn't the monkey was shot down over the Sea of Japan?
 
2014-03-09 09:00:07 AM  
Nothing about Jeri Ryan's boobs?
 
2014-03-09 09:01:41 AM  
#Thanks@Barraco Barner!
 
2014-03-09 09:09:19 AM  
Why the hell is this crap getting praised so much?

Granted I only lasted through the pilot, but that first episode was amazingly bad. Terrible acting, terrible writing (every character has the IQ of a potato), tiny budget that restricted them to like three sets.
 
2014-03-09 09:13:34 AM  

Gunther: Why the hell is this crap getting praised so much?

Granted I only lasted through the pilot, but that first episode was amazingly bad. Terrible acting, terrible writing (every character has the IQ of a potato), tiny budget that restricted them to like three sets.


It got better.

The acting is still  neither here nor there, but the subplots are interesting even if the primary plot is highly predictable.
 
2014-03-09 09:23:03 AM  
lolsyfy
 
2014-03-09 09:36:58 AM  
Nature doesn't know extinction? Tell that to the Dodo and the Passenger Pigeon.
 
2014-03-09 09:51:06 AM  
I was doing some serious hating in the pilot episode when they were supposedly looking at a virus under a light microscope when the actual visual they were showing on the screen was some nematode.

Thankfully, it got much better after the pilot, but I almost gave up right then and there.
 
2014-03-09 10:00:29 AM  

Leishu: The acting is still  neither here nor there, but the subplots are interesting even if the primary plot is highly predictable.


It is?  The primary plot seems to be basically throwing everything it can against the wall to see what sticks.  Twins!  Immortals! Quaint villages within driving distance of remote arctic base!

I'm viewing Helix as pretty much the sci-fi version of Sleepy Hollow's fantasy.  It's just so ridiculous, it's enjoyably cheesy at this point.  But it is annoying as hell that they have a main character (Hitaki), who knows the answer to all of the mysteries, but doesn't say squat, and isn't really pressed on any of it by the rest of the cast.
 
2014-03-09 10:10:13 AM  

NeoCortex42: Leishu: The acting is still  neither here nor there, but the subplots are interesting even if the primary plot is highly predictable.

It is?  The primary plot seems to be basically throwing everything it can against the wall to see what sticks.  Twins!  Immortals! Quaint villages within driving distance of remote arctic base!

I'm viewing Helix as pretty much the sci-fi version of Sleepy Hollow's fantasy.  It's just so ridiculous, it's enjoyably cheesy at this point.  But it is annoying as hell that they have a main character (Hitaki), who knows the answer to all of the mysteries, but doesn't say squat, and isn't really pressed on any of it by the rest of the cast.


Well I don't think of the twins or town to be "primary." The immortals, though? I called that on episode 3.
 
2014-03-09 10:13:07 AM  

Leishu: NeoCortex42: Leishu: The acting is still  neither here nor there, but the subplots are interesting even if the primary plot is highly predictable.

It is?  The primary plot seems to be basically throwing everything it can against the wall to see what sticks.  Twins!  Immortals! Quaint villages within driving distance of remote arctic base!

I'm viewing Helix as pretty much the sci-fi version of Sleepy Hollow's fantasy.  It's just so ridiculous, it's enjoyably cheesy at this point.  But it is annoying as hell that they have a main character (Hitaki), who knows the answer to all of the mysteries, but doesn't say squat, and isn't really pressed on any of it by the rest of the cast.

Well I don't think of the twins or town to be "primary." The immortals, though? I called that on episode 3.


Eh, okay.  I can give you that.  But then what are the immortals?  Aliens, natural occurrences like Highlander, previous genetic experiments?

I'm just curious to see what they do for a second season.  They can't possibly just stay put in the lab with a minimal cast fending off vectors/Ilaria without getting really repetitive.
 
2014-03-09 10:17:38 AM  
I read the quotes.    meh.  Smells like astroturf.
 
2014-03-09 10:46:17 AM  

Leishu: Gunther: Why the hell is this crap getting praised so much?

Granted I only lasted through the pilot, but that first episode was amazingly bad. Terrible acting, terrible writing (every character has the IQ of a potato), tiny budget that restricted them to like three sets.

It got better.

The acting is still  neither here nor there, but the subplots are interesting even if the primary plot is highly predictable.


So are you saying that the writers stopped making the characters functionally retarded to the point where they ignore some of the very basics of their job in order to forward the plot?
 
2014-03-09 10:50:25 AM  
Couldn't make it through the pilot of Helix. On the other hand Almost Human is a great show that won't get a second season either.
 
2014-03-09 11:07:18 AM  
I've never watched this show, but it certainly has a top-notch PR campaign.
 
2014-03-09 11:08:59 AM  

dullspork: I've never watched this show, but it certainly has a top-notch PR campaign.

 
2014-03-09 11:15:49 AM  

Leishu: Gunther: Why the hell is this crap getting praised so much?

Granted I only lasted through the pilot, but that first episode was amazingly bad. Terrible acting, terrible writing (every character has the IQ of a potato), tiny budget that restricted them to like three sets.

It got better.

The acting is still  neither here nor there, but the subplots are interesting even if the primary plot is highly predictable.


Please define "better".  I watched it up until the point they found the Futurama heads and gave up.
 
2014-03-09 11:17:51 AM  
"f you've been a reader of OpHuMod, you'll already know what we think of SyFy's new series  Helix.Simply put, it is creative brilliance on multiple levels and is unrivaled by anything else on air today. "

So these people have never seen True Detective.
 
2014-03-09 11:25:09 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Nature doesn't know extinction? Tell that to the Dodo and the Passenger Pigeon.


I think the meaning of that phrase is that nature isn't supposed to cause extinction.  For a species to go extinct it takes either a significant outside influence or some kind of major environmental change.  The Dodo and the Passenger Pigeon are both perfectly dandy examples of that.

Leishu: NeoCortex42: Leishu: The acting is still  neither here nor there, but the subplots are interesting even if the primary plot is highly predictable.

It is?  The primary plot seems to be basically throwing everything it can against the wall to see what sticks.  Twins!  Immortals! Quaint villages within driving distance of remote arctic base!

I'm viewing Helix as pretty much the sci-fi version of Sleepy Hollow's fantasy.  It's just so ridiculous, it's enjoyably cheesy at this point.  But it is annoying as hell that they have a main character (Hitaki), who knows the answer to all of the mysteries, but doesn't say squat, and isn't really pressed on any of it by the rest of the cast.

Well I don't think of the twins or town to be "primary." The immortals, though? I called that on episode 3.


Yeah, I was on roughly the same track at about the same point.  I wasn't sure what specific variation of "heartier than normal humans and thus thinks they are quasi-gods" they were going for, but I crossed my fingers that it wasn't going to be farking vampires-except-we-don't-say-the-v-word.  I was particularly worried when Jeri Ryan took a dremel to her teeth.  With the revelations from the guy they found locked up (Gunnar) about how long it takes to die of thirst over and over and over it seems they aren't going for that, thankfully.

I still find the show entertaining, and the plot is fairly interesting.  I'm curious what Hatake intended with the virus, why the vectors react with fear to the immortals, how it is that Peter is a vector but with smarts and especially what his gameplan is.  There's plenty of things that could lead to a rather robust season 2 if this doesn't get the axe.


tcan: On the other hand Almost Human is a great show that won't get a second season either.


My understanding, reading between the lines, is that Almost Human is really only in danger of not getting renewed because the special effects costs run high.  The ratings have been pretty good, especially in that coveted 18-25 demographic.  I'm sure they could be higher if Fox would stop meddling with things like the order of aired episodes, but let's be honest: Fox is and will always be Fox, and will gleefully throw handfuls of marbles at new shows while demanding they tap-dance.  For a show to do well despite all that says something.
 
2014-03-09 11:33:15 AM  

BullBearMS: I was doing some serious hating in the pilot episode when they were supposedly looking at a virus under a light microscope when the actual visual they were showing on the screen was some nematode.

Thankfully, it got much better after the pilot, but I almost gave up right then and there.


...do you really honestly expect anyone in the average audience to know what the fark a nematode is, let alone what one looks like under a microscope? It was probably easier/cheaper to use, or showed up better, or something. It's a prop.  I'll be blatantly honest and say that I took a few semesters of college chem, and never got to bio, so I don't have a clue what anything looks like under a microscope. Because my education went in a different direction (Yay zappies!).

I can't honestly fault you too much, because I do the same thing when it comes to electrical stuff (it makes me stab-rage because it's invariably wrong, and usually so catastrophically wrong they would do a better job asking a 3 year old how to finger paint a line diagram with feces than to use the television show's version of whatever they are depicting as anything remotely similar to real life) on any TV show.

/have not seen the show
//may at some point if it keeps getting good press
///and the press isn't 'paid for' press
 
2014-03-09 11:35:17 AM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Leishu: Gunther: Why the hell is this crap getting praised so much?

Granted I only lasted through the pilot, but that first episode was amazingly bad. Terrible acting, terrible writing (every character has the IQ of a potato), tiny budget that restricted them to like three sets.

It got better.

The acting is still  neither here nor there, but the subplots are interesting even if the primary plot is highly predictable.

So are you saying that the writers stopped making the characters functionally retarded to the point where they ignore some of the very basics of their job in order to forward the plot?


No one on this show would EVER use a condom.

After the show is canceled we're going to find out they hired a firm to promote the show on the internet with articles like this. And those tweets are lame.
 
2014-03-09 11:45:59 AM  
I'm thinking about a 90 percent chance of V-word right now. It has me mildly amused and passes the time, so I shall continue watching.
 
2014-03-09 12:00:48 PM  

kroonermanblack: BullBearMS: I was doing some serious hating in the pilot episode when they were supposedly looking at a virus under a light microscope when the actual visual they were showing on the screen was some nematode.

Thankfully, it got much better after the pilot, but I almost gave up right then and there.

...do you really honestly expect anyone in the average audience to know what the fark a nematode is, let alone what one looks like under a microscope? It was probably easier/cheaper to use, or showed up better, or something. It's a prop.  I'll be blatantly honest and say that I took a few semesters of college chem, and never got to bio, so I don't have a clue what anything looks like under a microscope. Because my education went in a different direction (Yay zappies!).

I can't honestly fault you too much, because I do the same thing when it comes to electrical stuff (it makes me stab-rage because it's invariably wrong, and usually so catastrophically wrong they would do a better job asking a 3 year old how to finger paint a line diagram with feces than to use the television show's version of whatever they are depicting as anything remotely similar to real life) on any TV show.

/have not seen the show
//may at some point if it keeps getting good press
///and the press isn't 'paid for' press


Would you feel better if I said some kind of teeny tiny worm instead of some nematode?

One of the claims being made about this show was that they made an effort to get the science right. Showing a worm while claiming you are showing a virus isn't even close to getting the science right.

So, yup... I had a stabby moment when they did that.
 
2014-03-09 12:06:15 PM  

BullBearMS: I was doing some serious hating in the pilot episode when they were supposedly looking at a virus under a light microscope when the actual visual they were showing on the screen was some nematode.

Thankfully, it got much better after the pilot, but I almost gave up right then and there.


I know, right?!
And when I saw the doctors jacket was a cream white and not pure white, I nearly lost it!
Also, don't get me started on the type of sawdust they use in the monkey cages. Cedar my butt!
Amiright?!
 
2014-03-09 12:09:34 PM  
It is good but praise worthy?     I think not.

/hopes for a 2nd season
 
2014-03-09 12:16:37 PM  

yukichigai: I still find the show entertaining, and the plot is fairly interesting.  I'm curious what Hatake intended with the virus, why the vectors react with fear to the immortals, how it is that Peter is a vector but with smarts and especially what his gameplan is.  There's plenty of things that could lead to a rather robust season 2 if this doesn't get the axe.


I thought it was already stated that the virus was intended by Ilaria to thin the herd of the human race.  By having a vaccine to go along with it, they could increase their power to be more than just running a secret corporation.  They would basically be running the planet.

Somehow, the virus is tied to the immortal blood.  That would explain why the vectors respond to immortals and why the virus activated Julia's eyes/powers.

I wouldn't mind seeing the show take a major chance and actually let the virus spread.  Go all post-apocalyptic in season 2.
 
2014-03-09 12:22:07 PM  
Who is Rene Whelix, and why is she such a big deal on Twitter?
 
2014-03-09 12:34:24 PM  

kroonermanblack: can't honestly fault you too much, because I do the same thing when it comes to electrical stuff (it makes me stab-rage because it's invariably wrong, and usually so catastrophically wrong they would do a better job asking a 3 year old how to finger paint a line diagram with feces than to use the television show's version of whatever they are depicting as anything remotely similar to real life) on any TV show.


As a filmmaker I used to get annoyed when they use a satellite to "enhance, enhance, enhance" the license plate number on a car with no loss of resolution (Blade Runner did it but that's sci-fi so there's suspension of disbelief) but I got over it.

People who write for TV aren't the sharpest bat'leths in the drawer and hiring science/tech consultants costs money.
 
2014-03-09 12:38:33 PM  

NeoCortex42: I thought it was already stated that the virus was intended by Ilaria to thin the herd of the human race. By having a vaccine to go along with it, they could increase their power to be more than just running a secret corporation. They would basically be running the planet.


That was what Ilaria wanted the virus to do, but Hatake modified the development so it resulted in two strains: one that kills (Narvik-A) and one that tries to modify the DNA of the victims and turns them into vectors (Narvik-B).  To my knowledge they still haven't figured out what all the virus changes, just that it has a DNA payload.  That, and putting it in a petri dish with something to help it grow makes it do this:

wormholeriders.net

Either way, it does a lot more than what Ilaria wanted, and it's pretty clear it was at Hatake's behest, if not his direct design.  I'm fairly sure the end result isn't what he wanted, given his reaction to suddenly-can-speak Peter, but that raises the question of what he did want.  If he just wanted a virus that kills he would have stopped at the A variant.
 
2014-03-09 12:58:58 PM  

yukichigai: NeoCortex42: I thought it was already stated that the virus was intended by Ilaria to thin the herd of the human race. By having a vaccine to go along with it, they could increase their power to be more than just running a secret corporation. They would basically be running the planet.

That was what Ilaria wanted the virus to do, but Hatake modified the development so it resulted in two strains: one that kills (Narvik-A) and one that tries to modify the DNA of the victims and turns them into vectors (Narvik-B).  To my knowledge they still haven't figured out what all the virus changes, just that it has a DNA payload.  That, and putting it in a petri dish with something to help it grow makes it do this:

[wormholeriders.net image 640x347]

Either way, it does a lot more than what Ilaria wanted, and it's pretty clear it was at Hatake's behest, if not his direct design.  I'm fairly sure the end result isn't what he wanted, given his reaction to suddenly-can-speak Peter, but that raises the question of what he did want.  If he just wanted a virus that kills he would have stopped at the A variant.


I don't know.  The two strains could be useful.  You have the "kill everyone" strain that thins the population.  Then you have the "vector" strain that seems to create people that are subservient to the immortals, which could be a useful slave class.  Then you have the cure to use on those "worthy" of keeping around.
 
2014-03-09 01:06:36 PM  
I can't believe any good show could be on SyFy after what they have done to the "brand".
 
2014-03-09 01:07:16 PM  
Protip: just because someone googles a word like "telomerase" and plops it into your steaming pile of nonsense doesn't make your steaming pile of nonsense any less nonsensical.
 
2014-03-09 02:09:47 PM  

BullBearMS: Would you feel better if I said some kind of teeny tiny worm instead of some nematode?

One of the claims being made about this show was that they made an effort to get the science right. Showing a worm while claiming you are showing a virus isn't even close to getting the science right.

So, yup... I had a stabby moment when they did that.


Eh the issue wasn't that I didn't know what a nematode is (I could have googled it) but just to point out, much like my electrical knowledge, you have specialized insight into things which would have cost money for the show to vet, so they just kind of half ass it and only the people who participate in that field AND have some anal retentive tendencies (aka nerds) would notice or care about.
 
2014-03-09 02:15:21 PM  

yukichigai: tcan: On the other hand Almost Human is a great show that won't get a second season either.

My understanding, reading between the lines, is that Almost Human is really only in danger of not getting renewed because the special effects costs run high. The ratings have been pretty good, especially in that coveted 18-25 demographic. I'm sure they could be higher if Fox would stop meddling with things like the order of aired episodes, but let's be honest: Fox is and will always be Fox, and will gleefully throw handfuls of marbles at new shows while demanding they tap-dance. For a show to do well despite all that says something.


I think Almost Human will come back.  It's a little disconcerting that Fox renewed The Following already but not Almost Human, but its ratings are decent (at least on par with Bones and The Following) and it fills a nice little niche, able to launch in September or February, or even replace a failed show.  It can run for 13 episodes or 22 or anything in between really.  It's a good show for schedule spackle.  But if it costs too much I can see them hesitating or at least trying to negotiate a lower cost for next season.
 
2014-03-09 02:39:12 PM  

NeoCortex42: yukichigai: NeoCortex42: I thought it was already stated that the virus was intended by Ilaria to thin the herd of the human race. By having a vaccine to go along with it, they could increase their power to be more than just running a secret corporation. They would basically be running the planet.

That was what Ilaria wanted the virus to do, but Hatake modified the development so it resulted in two strains: one that kills (Narvik-A) and one that tries to modify the DNA of the victims and turns them into vectors (Narvik-B).  To my knowledge they still haven't figured out what all the virus changes, just that it has a DNA payload.  That, and putting it in a petri dish with something to help it grow makes it do this:

[wormholeriders.net image 640x347]

Either way, it does a lot more than what Ilaria wanted, and it's pretty clear it was at Hatake's behest, if not his direct design.  I'm fairly sure the end result isn't what he wanted, given his reaction to suddenly-can-speak Peter, but that raises the question of what he did want.  If he just wanted a virus that kills he would have stopped at the A variant.

I don't know.  The two strains could be useful.  You have the "kill everyone" strain that thins the population.  Then you have the "vector" strain that seems to create people that are subservient to the immortals, which could be a useful slave class.  Then you have the cure to use on those "worthy" of keeping around.


I think b was created so hitaki could immortalize his daughter.  The vectors were to be the delivery mechanism and get her on base.  Being SMRT was unplanned.
 
2014-03-09 02:59:27 PM  

Saiga410: NeoCortex42: yukichigai: NeoCortex42: I thought it was already stated that the virus was intended by Ilaria to thin the herd of the human race. By having a vaccine to go along with it, they could increase their power to be more than just running a secret corporation. They would basically be running the planet.

That was what Ilaria wanted the virus to do, but Hatake modified the development so it resulted in two strains: one that kills (Narvik-A) and one that tries to modify the DNA of the victims and turns them into vectors (Narvik-B).  To my knowledge they still haven't figured out what all the virus changes, just that it has a DNA payload.  That, and putting it in a petri dish with something to help it grow makes it do this:

[wormholeriders.net image 640x347]

Either way, it does a lot more than what Ilaria wanted, and it's pretty clear it was at Hatake's behest, if not his direct design.  I'm fairly sure the end result isn't what he wanted, given his reaction to suddenly-can-speak Peter, but that raises the question of what he did want.  If he just wanted a virus that kills he would have stopped at the A variant.

I don't know.  The two strains could be useful.  You have the "kill everyone" strain that thins the population.  Then you have the "vector" strain that seems to create people that are subservient to the immortals, which could be a useful slave class.  Then you have the cure to use on those "worthy" of keeping around.

I think b was created so hitaki could immortalize his daughter.  The vectors were to be the delivery mechanism and get her on base.  Being SMRT was unplanned.


That makes sense.  Jeri Ryan did mention some theory or other that Hitaki bought into.  It's likely that the theory involved making more immortals by activating it in offspring.  Although, is it possible that she's not really his daughter, so much as a clone of her "mother"?  She doesn't really look Japanese.
 
2014-03-09 03:15:22 PM  

killzoe: "f you've been a reader of OpHuMod, you'll already know what we think of SyFy's new series  Helix.Simply put, it is creative brilliance on multiple levels and is unrivaled by anything else on air today. "

So these people have never seen True Detective.


I know! I thought to myself when I read that line that these people must be delusional. There is NO WAY that functionally retarded network is putting out anything that can compare to HBO. It's impossible.
 
2014-03-09 05:15:19 PM  
No, the tweets are not better than most shows - they suck.
 
2014-03-09 05:28:28 PM  

sonofASDF: No, the tweets are not better than most shows - they suck.


Well, so do most shows, so there's that.
 
2014-03-09 05:36:44 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Leishu: Gunther: Why the hell is this crap getting praised so much?

Granted I only lasted through the pilot, but that first episode was amazingly bad. Terrible acting, terrible writing (every character has the IQ of a potato), tiny budget that restricted them to like three sets.

It got better.

The acting is still  neither here nor there, but the subplots are interesting even if the primary plot is highly predictable.

So are you saying that the writers stopped making the characters functionally retarded to the point where they ignore some of the very basics of their job in order to forward the plot?


if he won't, I will.

this show is ATROCIOUS. bad acting, ridiculous writing, and no respect for he viewer.
and yet... so damn watchable.

it's like that psycho ex you keep booty calling for months because the hate sex is so freaky and wrong and naughty good.
 
2014-03-09 06:03:30 PM  

elvisaintdead: Dingleberry Dickwad: Leishu: Gunther: Why the hell is this crap getting praised so much?

Granted I only lasted through the pilot, but that first episode was amazingly bad. Terrible acting, terrible writing (every character has the IQ of a potato), tiny budget that restricted them to like three sets.

It got better.

The acting is still  neither here nor there, but the subplots are interesting even if the primary plot is highly predictable.

So are you saying that the writers stopped making the characters functionally retarded to the point where they ignore some of the very basics of their job in order to forward the plot?

if he won't, I will.

this show is ATROCIOUS. bad acting, ridiculous writing, and no respect for he viewer.
and yet... so damn watchable.

it's like that psycho ex you keep booty calling for months because the hate sex is so freaky and wrong and naughty good.


Pretty much that. It's definitely "guilty pleasure" territory for me, so far. :)
 
2014-03-09 06:03:31 PM  
I made it through the first two episodes of character stupidity

by that time they'd taken just about every cliché and trope and thrown it against the wall hoping something would stick

everything was something that someone else had done better in something previous

terrible show
 
2014-03-09 09:06:04 PM  

Saiga410: NeoCortex42: yukichigai: NeoCortex42: I thought it was already stated that the virus was intended by Ilaria to thin the herd of the human race. By having a vaccine to go along with it, they could increase their power to be more than just running a secret corporation. They would basically be running the planet.

That was what Ilaria wanted the virus to do, but Hatake modified the development so it resulted in two strains: one that kills (Narvik-A) and one that tries to modify the DNA of the victims and turns them into vectors (Narvik-B).  To my knowledge they still haven't figured out what all the virus changes, just that it has a DNA payload.  That, and putting it in a petri dish with something to help it grow makes it do this:

[wormholeriders.net image 640x347]

Either way, it does a lot more than what Ilaria wanted, and it's pretty clear it was at Hatake's behest, if not his direct design.  I'm fairly sure the end result isn't what he wanted, given his reaction to suddenly-can-speak Peter, but that raises the question of what he did want.  If he just wanted a virus that kills he would have stopped at the A variant.

I don't know.  The two strains could be useful.  You have the "kill everyone" strain that thins the population.  Then you have the "vector" strain that seems to create people that are subservient to the immortals, which could be a useful slave class.  Then you have the cure to use on those "worthy" of keeping around.

I think b was created so hitaki could immortalize his daughter.  The vectors were to be the delivery mechanism and get her on base.  Being SMRT was unplanned.


The thing is, I don't think it was the virus that activated her immortal side, I think it was Hatake's blood.  He injected her when she was ill and suddenly she makes a miraculous recovery and goes all silver-eyed.  Then he seemed pretty torn up over the fact that she changed.  I think her becoming an immortal is something he absolutely did not want, and that his blood was only meant to cure her, not change her.

The purpose of the virus... I think it's more than just making a "slave class", only because Hatake seems like he's not on board with whatever Ilaria is up to.  Really, he seems like he's not on board with most of the other immortals in general, and based on his explanation of why he locked up Gunnar (the guy chose Constance's "side" and got Julia's mom killed) it doesn't sound like he's been on board for a while.  Whatever Narvik-B is supposed to be, I'm thinking it's part of a years-in-the-making "fark you Constance et al" plan that Hatake has been working on in secret.  Making a slave class for use by the immortals wouldn't really fit into that very well.  If they had done the godawful "vampires but not really" thing with the immortals I would have thought it was an attempt to poison their food source, but with that thankfully off the table I'm at a loss.
 
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