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2014-03-08 08:29:00 PM  
Me too.
 
2014-03-08 08:29:59 PM  
 
2014-03-08 08:30:29 PM  
Sounds fine with me too.
 
2014-03-08 08:30:39 PM  
Trying to come up with a Canadian libertarian joke.

Got nothing.
 
2014-03-08 08:30:44 PM  
That's the kind of small government I can get behind.
 
2014-03-08 08:31:17 PM  
Me too.
 
2014-03-08 08:31:57 PM  
Now that's just silly. Marijuana plants don't have guns. And even if they did, why would they need protecting?
 
2014-03-08 08:32:14 PM  

BMFPitt: Trying to come up with a Canadian libertarian joke.

Got nothing.


People are nice enough in Canada that libertarianism might actually work.
 
2014-03-08 08:33:34 PM  
What's G.O.B. Bluth doing there?
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-08 08:34:06 PM  
[okaywiththis]
 
2014-03-08 08:34:10 PM  
if he's a libertarian he also wants tax and environmental law that is only good for oligarchs, so you won't have any money to buy weed anyways.
 
2014-03-08 08:35:14 PM  

Foxxinnia: People are nice enough in Canada that libertarianism might actually work.


You should see the ambulatory fecal homunculi running our government right now. You might change your mind.
 
2014-03-08 08:37:50 PM  
static.fjcdn.com
 
2014-03-08 08:38:02 PM  
I want stuff too subby
 
2014-03-08 08:39:22 PM  
 
2014-03-08 08:39:52 PM  
Will I still be able to fit my "government" in her vagina, if you know what I mean?

/penis
 
2014-03-08 08:41:22 PM  
static.fjcdn.com
 
2014-03-08 08:42:28 PM  
I'm not seeing the downside.
 
2014-03-08 08:42:40 PM  
www.freakingnews.com

Murrica. Proud.
 
2014-03-08 08:43:56 PM  
If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?
 
2014-03-08 08:46:36 PM  
Don't we all?
 
2014-03-08 08:46:47 PM  
I have no problem with that platform.  The lower taxes could be a problem.
 
2014-03-08 08:50:28 PM  

Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?


Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?
 
2014-03-08 08:54:33 PM  

TheOther: Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?

Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?


if they legalize growing then you'd probably want to do it indoors since they would likely limit you to a few plants. it would also protect it from natural predators like rodents and deer etc. plus you'd have longer light cycles and higher production per plant per cycle.
 
2014-03-08 09:01:04 PM  

brownribbon: violentsalvation: Me too.

 
2014-03-08 09:02:08 PM  

Hobodeluxe: TheOther: Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?

Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?

if they legalize growing then you'd probably want to do it indoors since they would likely limit you to a few plants. it would also protect it from natural predators like rodents and deer etc. plus you'd have longer light cycles and higher production per plant per cycle.


you'd do greenhouses, big huge greenhouses and only use lights for clones and mothers, that would bring your electricity costs way down. I  guess though ideally you'd have both going some big indoor operation for year round and then huge greenhouses for the traditional season.
 
2014-03-08 09:02:24 PM  

TheOther: Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?

Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?


But I thought the point of his platform meant no laws and regulations would eliminate crime.
 
2014-03-08 09:02:33 PM  
Not sure but sounds like someone trying to Troll.
 
2014-03-08 09:04:04 PM  
I concur with the headline.
 
2014-03-08 09:06:06 PM  
Works for me. The Bible does say if you're going to lay with another man you should be stoned.
 
2014-03-08 09:06:38 PM  
The American Dream
 
2014-03-08 09:07:12 PM  
We already do.
 
2014-03-08 09:07:41 PM  

brownribbon: violentsalvation: Me too.


Me three.
 
2014-03-08 09:07:59 PM  
After Canadians shoot a psychotic, drug crazed, dog raping, serial killing axe murderer in their boudoir at 3am, do they apologize to him?
 
2014-03-08 09:08:37 PM  

stuffy: Not sure but sounds like someone trying to Troll.


It's certainly has the trifecta of hot-button issues going for it. Maybe he needs to spice it up a bit.

"I want gay married couples to be able to protect their immigrant-cultivated pot with guns while having an abortion."
 
2014-03-08 09:11:26 PM  

fusillade762: stuffy: Not sure but sounds like someone trying to Troll.

It's certainly has the trifecta of hot-button issues going for it. Maybe he needs to spice it up a bit.

"I want gay married couples to be able to protect their immigrant-cultivated pot with guns while having an abortion."


I would think the best part about being gay is that you'd never need to worry about abortions, or any form of birth control.
 
2014-03-08 09:18:08 PM  

ginkor: After Canadians shoot a psychotic, drug crazed, dog raping, serial killing axe murderer in their boudoir at 3am, do they apologize to him?


What kind of question is that?

Of course. Unless they're Newfies.
 
2014-03-08 09:23:40 PM  

Headso: Hobodeluxe: TheOther: Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?

Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?

if they legalize growing then you'd probably want to do it indoors since they would likely limit you to a few plants. it would also protect it from natural predators like rodents and deer etc. plus you'd have longer light cycles and higher production per plant per cycle.

you'd do greenhouses, big huge greenhouses and only use lights for clones and mothers, that would bring your electricity costs way down. I  guess though ideally you'd have both going some big indoor operation for year round and then huge greenhouses for the traditional season.


depends on how many plants they'd let you have. 3-6 I'd do in an outbuilding. use led lights. low elec consumption and not dependent on weather or day/light cycles of canada. consistency is key for good production. have 2 rooms half the plants on veg/ half on flower stage. harvest every 8 weeks or so once you're in rotation.
 
2014-03-08 09:27:38 PM  
okay
 
2014-03-08 09:28:52 PM  
media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com
 
2014-03-08 09:30:01 PM  
Based upon the headline I'd vote for you.
 
2014-03-08 09:31:58 PM  
MountainClimber:

Not many lefties call for the total banishment of guns. In fact, very few do.
 
2014-03-08 09:35:10 PM  

Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?


Beer and cigarettes are as well but people break into convenience stores to steal those.
 
Rat
2014-03-08 09:35:35 PM  
img.fark.net

I even heard Glock is coming out with a javelin pistol to help
Lamar with his limp-wristed throwing shooting style.

© and I'm ok with that
 
2014-03-08 09:37:25 PM  

doglover: ginkor: After Canadians shoot a psychotic, drug crazed, dog raping, serial killing axe murderer in their boudoir at 3am, do they apologize to him?

What kind of question is that?

Of course. Unless they're Newfies.


The dog, or the Canadian?
 
2014-03-08 09:40:32 PM  

Headso: Hobodeluxe: TheOther: Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?

Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?

if they legalize growing then you'd probably want to do it indoors since they would likely limit you to a few plants. it would also protect it from natural predators like rodents and deer etc. plus you'd have longer light cycles and higher production per plant per cycle.

you'd do greenhouses, big huge greenhouses and only use lights for clones and mothers, that would bring your electricity costs way down. I  guess though ideally you'd have both going some big indoor operation for year round and then huge greenhouses for the traditional season.


Unpossible. I was assured in a previous marijuana thread that trying to grow weed is so incredibly difficult and time-consuming, no one would ever raise their own if they could just legally buy it from the pros.

/of course, it's possible the stoner I was talking to was just a really lazy bastard.
 
2014-03-08 09:42:43 PM  

Foxxinnia: BMFPitt: Trying to come up with a Canadian libertarian joke.

Got nothing.

People are nice enough in Canada that libertarianism might actually work.


If Harper is an example of nice Conservative Canadians I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. Someone who white knights Robber Barons is still a quivering warthog sphincter even if he has a nice smile
 
2014-03-08 09:43:43 PM  
dl.dropboxusercontent.com

Welcome to America?

/Working on the pot thing.
/and the Gay Marriage thing.
/Even the conservatives are coming around.
 
2014-03-08 09:48:04 PM  
They call it "weed" because it grows like one.  Even the good stuff.

Throw some seeds on a good growing spot and stand the hell back has been my experience.

If you can grow tomatoes you can grow marijuana.
 
2014-03-08 09:49:25 PM  

EdgeRunner: Headso: Hobodeluxe: TheOther: Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?

Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?

if they legalize growing then you'd probably want to do it indoors since they would likely limit you to a few plants. it would also protect it from natural predators like rodents and deer etc. plus you'd have longer light cycles and higher production per plant per cycle.

you'd do greenhouses, big huge greenhouses and only use lights for clones and mothers, that would bring your electricity costs way down. I  guess though ideally you'd have both going some big indoor operation for year round and then huge greenhouses for the traditional season.

Unpossible. I was assured in a previous marijuana thread that trying to grow weed is so incredibly difficult and time-consuming, no one would ever raise their own if they could just legally buy it from the pros.

/of course, it's possible the stoner I was talking to was just a really lazy bastard.


Well indoor hydroponics takes a bit of work and cost but is the same as if you want hydro tomatoes year round. So much easier to grow outside (no I would do that in the States), also the venting and shielding for a large scale thing isn't easy to do right, but growing some house plants in south facing windows with interesting foliage and beautiful flowers that's that's easy except for the legal issues.
 
2014-03-08 09:49:33 PM  

Headso: if he's a libertarian he also wants tax and environmental law that is only good for oligarchs, so you won't have any money to buy weed anyways.


You do realize that there are many libertarians who are not opposed to regulations? The thing is that libertarians want the regulations to be minimal and specific. Anarchy is an entirely different philosophy.
 
2014-03-08 09:51:56 PM  

studebaker hoch: They call it "weed" because it grows like one.  Even the good stuff.

Throw some seeds on a good growing spot and stand the hell back has been my experience.

If you can grow tomatoes you can grow marijuana.


Exactly just don't do it on land you own because seizure laws.

/At least in most states.
//Yes I know article is on Canada.
 
2014-03-08 09:56:54 PM  

Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?


s27.postimg.org
 
2014-03-08 09:59:39 PM  

ciberido: fusillade762: stuffy: Not sure but sounds like someone trying to Troll.

It's certainly has the trifecta of hot-button issues going for it. Maybe he needs to spice it up a bit.

"I want gay married couples to be able to protect their immigrant-cultivated pot with guns while having an abortion."

I would think the best part about being gay is that you'd never need to worry about abortions, or any form of birth control.


Or being able to watch an entire football game with the love of your life and never have to talk.
 
2014-03-08 10:02:53 PM  

ciberido: fusillade762: stuffy: Not sure but sounds like someone trying to Troll.

It's certainly has the trifecta of hot-button issues going for it. Maybe he needs to spice it up a bit.

"I want gay married couples to be able to protect their immigrant-cultivated pot with guns while having an abortion."

I would think the best part about being gay is that you'd never need to worry about abortions, or any form of birth control.


Gay people with ovaries still use hormonal BC for other indications, though.  My ladyfriend and I both have Mirena because we got tired of our blindingly painful, sucktacular periods.
 
2014-03-08 10:06:38 PM  

Mad_Radhu: That's the kind of small government I can get behind.


get behind?

SAY NO MORE!! A nod is as good as a wink to a blind man.
 
2014-03-08 10:10:04 PM  

EdgeRunner: Headso: Hobodeluxe: TheOther: Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?

Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?

if they legalize growing then you'd probably want to do it indoors since they would likely limit you to a few plants. it would also protect it from natural predators like rodents and deer etc. plus you'd have longer light cycles and higher production per plant per cycle.

you'd do greenhouses, big huge greenhouses and only use lights for clones and mothers, that would bring your electricity costs way down. I  guess though ideally you'd have both going some big indoor operation for year round and then huge greenhouses for the traditional season.

Unpossible. I was assured in a previous marijuana thread that trying to grow weed is so incredibly difficult and time-consuming, no one would ever raise their own if they could just legally buy it from the pros.

/of course, it's possible the stoner I was talking to was just a really lazy bastard.


it is incredibly hard to grow good indoor. It is a full time job for more than one person.
Anything with value is a target for theft. Legal grows will still get ripped.
 
2014-03-08 10:19:24 PM  
It's too bad our supposed libertarians here in the the US aren't like those up there.

No, of course we get stuck with the Ted Nugent, Rand Paul, Supply Side Jesus racist, fundamentalist christian version of libertarianism.

farking assholes.
 
2014-03-08 10:21:56 PM  

EdgeRunner: Headso: Hobodeluxe: TheOther: Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?

Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?

if they legalize growing then you'd probably want to do it indoors since they would likely limit you to a few plants. it would also protect it from natural predators like rodents and deer etc. plus you'd have longer light cycles and higher production per plant per cycle.

you'd do greenhouses, big huge greenhouses and only use lights for clones and mothers, that would bring your electricity costs way down. I  guess though ideally you'd have both going some big indoor operation for year round and then huge greenhouses for the traditional season.

Unpossible. I was assured in a previous marijuana thread that trying to grow weed is so incredibly difficult and time-consuming, no one would ever raise their own if they could just legally buy it from the pros.

/of course, it's possible the stoner I was talking to was just a really lazy bastard.


You can grow sensimilla in cut out milk jugs with CFL bulbs.

It's not going to be the kind of stuff you'd expect if you were paying $20/g for it. But it would be smokeable if cured right and of sufficient potency to get you lit if you smoked a bowl or two.

Growing the HIGH end stuff is what takes skill and/or automation.
 
2014-03-08 10:25:17 PM  

iq_in_binary: Growing the HIGH end stuff is what takes skill and/or automation.


That's the truth and you have to have good seed stock.
 
2014-03-08 10:28:12 PM  
I agree, but this is sooooooooo discriminatory towards good honest meth, crack and heroin makers/dealers who need to protect their supply!
 
2014-03-08 10:32:39 PM  

SumoJeb: EdgeRunner: Headso: Hobodeluxe: TheOther: Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?

Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?

if they legalize growing then you'd probably want to do it indoors since they would likely limit you to a few plants. it would also protect it from natural predators like rodents and deer etc. plus you'd have longer light cycles and higher production per plant per cycle.

you'd do greenhouses, big huge greenhouses and only use lights for clones and mothers, that would bring your electricity costs way down. I  guess though ideally you'd have both going some big indoor operation for year round and then huge greenhouses for the traditional season.

Unpossible. I was assured in a previous marijuana thread that trying to grow weed is so incredibly difficult and time-consuming, no one would ever raise their own if they could just legally buy it from the pros.

/of course, it's possible the stoner I was talking to was just a really lazy bastard.

it is incredibly hard to grow good indoor. It is a full time job for more than one person.
Anything with value is a target for theft. Legal grows will still get ripped.


No.

For even the kind of quality you expect to find at dispensaries, you can get away with a hydro rig that you have to check at most twice a week. 2 hours a week of upkeep, trimming, and dialing in your nutrients is all it takes if your setup is even half assed, and we're talking a setup that will yield 1.5 lbs anually. If you're talking about an industrial sized grow? Yes. 5-10 plants in veg/flower and a couple mothers to clone from to keep up on personal use/yourself plus a couple friends? Nope.

Now, if you're an idiot you're paying out the ass for the lights. If you're smart you find somebody who knows their way around a soldering iron and you have them build the lights for you for 1/10th the retail price. Yes, LEDs have taken over the hobby indoor grow niche, don't get suckered into paying more than $.35-.40/W. And do keep in mind you need less than half the wattage using LED's than if you were using filament systems, as the wavelengths can be tailored to the 3 wavelength ranges plants use for photosynthesis as opposed to having a filament system blare it out across the whole spectrum.

Growing is easy, growing decent quality is easy, doing it cheap and making sure no males mature in the flowering room are the hardest part nowadays.
 
2014-03-08 10:36:08 PM  

kling_klang_bed: I agree, but this is sooooooooo discriminatory towards good honest meth, crack and heroin makers/dealers who need to protect their supply!


You may think you are trolling I can't say, but I would support making those basically prescription drugs instead of outright criminalization. For one the the FDA would be involved so peoeple would get cleaner safer stuff. We already have methadone clinics so, why not, but buy it at the convenience store um no.
 
2014-03-08 10:36:21 PM  
1000W HPS FTW!
 
2014-03-08 10:36:51 PM  

neongoats: It's too bad our supposed libertarians here in the the US aren't like those up there.

No, of course we get stuck with the Ted Nugent, Rand Paul, Supply Side Jesus racist, fundamentalist christian version of libertarianism.

farking assholes.


I don't identify as a libertarian (or anything close to it) but I would love it if a true Libertarian party and cadre of worthwhile candidates actually made some noise in our political system. It actually pisses me off when I see contributors for Reason and other "libertarian" publications practically carry the water for some Republican candidates when, if you hold them down and make them state their opinions on issues line-by-line, they don't stand anywhere near them politically.
 
2014-03-08 10:38:11 PM  
"Libertarian white men of a certain age are swooning for Moen"


Impugning their motives by questioning their sexual orientation. Really?
 
2014-03-08 10:38:14 PM  

iq_in_binary: SumoJeb: EdgeRunner: Headso: Hobodeluxe: TheOther: Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?

Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?

if they legalize growing then you'd probably want to do it indoors since they would likely limit you to a few plants. it would also protect it from natural predators like rodents and deer etc. plus you'd have longer light cycles and higher production per plant per cycle.

you'd do greenhouses, big huge greenhouses and only use lights for clones and mothers, that would bring your electricity costs way down. I  guess though ideally you'd have both going some big indoor operation for year round and then huge greenhouses for the traditional season.

Unpossible. I was assured in a previous marijuana thread that trying to grow weed is so incredibly difficult and time-consuming, no one would ever raise their own if they could just legally buy it from the pros.

/of course, it's possible the stoner I was talking to was just a really lazy bastard.

it is incredibly hard to grow good indoor. It is a full time job for more than one person.
Anything with value is a target for theft. Legal grows will still get ripped.

No.

For even the kind of quality you expect to find at dispensaries, you can get away with a hydro rig that you have to check at most twice a week. 2 hours a week of upkeep, trimming, and dialing in your nutrients is all it takes if your setup is even half assed, and we're talking a setup that will yield 1.5 lbs anually. If you're talking about an industrial sized grow? Yes. 5-10 plants in veg/flower and a couple mothers to clone from to keep up on personal use/yourself plus a couple friends? Nope.

Now, if you're an idiot you're paying out the ass for the lights. If you're smart you find somebody who knows their way around a soldering iron and you have them build the lights for you for 1/10th the retail price. Yes, LEDs have taken over the hobby indoor grow niche, don't get suckered into paying mor ...


I think a now online crush, blush : )
 
2014-03-08 10:38:55 PM  

iq_in_binary: SumoJeb: EdgeRunner: Headso: Hobodeluxe: TheOther: Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?

Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?

if they legalize growing then you'd probably want to do it indoors since they would likely limit you to a few plants. it would also protect it from natural predators like rodents and deer etc. plus you'd have longer light cycles and higher production per plant per cycle.

you'd do greenhouses, big huge greenhouses and only use lights for clones and mothers, that would bring your electricity costs way down. I  guess though ideally you'd have both going some big indoor operation for year round and then huge greenhouses for the traditional season.

Unpossible. I was assured in a previous marijuana thread that trying to grow weed is so incredibly difficult and time-consuming, no one would ever raise their own if they could just legally buy it from the pros.

/of course, it's possible the stoner I was talking to was just a really lazy bastard.

it is incredibly hard to grow good indoor. It is a full time job for more than one person.
Anything with value is a target for theft. Legal grows will still get ripped.

No.

For even the kind of quality you expect to find at dispensaries, you can get away with a hydro rig that you have to check at most twice a week. 2 hours a week of upkeep, trimming, and dialing in your nutrients is all it takes if your setup is even half assed, and we're talking a setup that will yield 1.5 lbs anually. If you're talking about an industrial sized grow? Yes. 5-10 plants in veg/flower and a couple mothers to clone from to keep up on personal use/yourself plus a couple friends? Nope.

Now, if you're an idiot you're paying out the ass for the lights. If you're smart you find somebody who knows their way around a soldering iron and you have them build the lights for you for 1/10th the retail price. Yes, LEDs have taken over the hobby indoor grow niche, don't get suckered into paying mor ...Growing is easy, growing decent quality is easy, doing it cheap and making sure no males mature in the flowering room are the hardest part nowadays.


Do you have a newsletter?
 
2014-03-08 10:39:03 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: Growing the HIGH end stuff is what takes skill and/or automation.

That's the truth and you have to have good seed stock.


I'd actually be willing to posit that environmental control, ie being able to maintain as uniform a growing environment as possible and having control over the different factors that promote growth and plant health will affect both your yield amount and potency more than having a "Kennedy" level seed pedigree.

The guys that have Cannabis Cup level strains don't like to tell you that they're not pulling those buds from the same grow rooms as their general cash crop. Those plants are grown in as close to laboratory conditions as they can figure out how to accomplish. When it becomes legal nationwide, expect the guys with automation experience to turn out the most and highest concentration THC/CBD buds, not the greenthumbs.
 
2014-03-08 10:46:30 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: kling_klang_bed: I agree, but this is sooooooooo discriminatory towards good honest meth, crack and heroin makers/dealers who need to protect their supply!

You may think you are trolling I can't say, but I would support making those basically prescription drugs instead of outright criminalization. For one the the FDA would be involved so peoeple would get cleaner safer stuff. We already have methadone clinics so, why not, but buy it at the convenience store um no.


Nah, no trolling, just being my usual sarcastic self. But, to your point: making them prescription drugs wouldn't even be a reality. From some trials that've been done, meth supposedly has some health benefits, but the consequences from using it all far outweigh that. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut, by that iota too, same case with 75% of the drugs Pfizer and the gang shove on the public on a daily basis. Still, the FDA wouldn't dare legalize any of those in any degree, and I'd be afraid of the kind of party those kinda addicts would be having if they heard about that!
 
2014-03-08 10:47:34 PM  

Porous Horace: 1000W HPS FTW!


I'll take my 300W LED array, TYVM. Why waste 700W of power pushing out wavelengths that go to waste because they're not used in photosynthesis?
 
2014-03-08 10:50:42 PM  
With LEDs you don't have the greater danger and paranoia!
Or a room full of sunshine in winter.

Kidding really, LEDs of course are the way to go now.
 
2014-03-08 10:51:03 PM  

iq_in_binary: tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: Growing the HIGH end stuff is what takes skill and/or automation.

That's the truth and you have to have good seed stock.

I'd actually be willing to posit that environmental control, ie being able to maintain as uniform a growing environment as possible and having control over the different factors that promote growth and plant health will affect both your yield amount and potency more than having a "Kennedy" level seed pedigree.

The guys that have Cannabis Cup level strains don't like to tell you that they're not pulling those buds from the same grow rooms as their general cash crop. Those plants are grown in as close to laboratory conditions as they can figure out how to accomplish. When it becomes legal nationwide, expect the guys with automation experience to turn out the most and highest concentration THC/CBD buds, not the greenthumbs.


I can see that and I've been out to Cali years ago and they had stuff that blew the doors of anything grown here and I agree nutrients and creating optimime growing conditions would be the primary factor. I mean you could gets the best seeds from the Amsterdam seed bank and give them to two different people. One someone thats been "pro" for years and an avid vegie gardener and I know who would win.
 
2014-03-08 10:51:38 PM  
Head thread.
 
2014-03-08 10:52:55 PM  

Porous Horace: With LEDs you don't have the greater danger and paranoia!
Or a room full of sunshine in winter.

Kidding really, LEDs of course are the way to go now.


The only biatch is finding diodes that output in the UV-B range.

If they weren't $350-$500 PER DIODE......
 
2014-03-08 10:56:23 PM  
Rather have the mellow pot-heads with the guns than the angry drunks any day.


i.kinja-img.com.
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-08 10:57:15 PM  
 
2014-03-08 10:57:27 PM  

ChubbyTiger: You do realize that there are many libertarians who are not opposed to regulations? The thing is that libertarians want the regulations to be minimal and specific.


Yeah, but they never say how minimal and how specific they should be. They usually just go on with more vague platitudes which sound pretty but really offer nothing in substance.

Not to mention their lack of ability to understand what  externalities are.
 
2014-03-08 10:58:53 PM  
 
2014-03-08 10:59:34 PM  
yeah, sounds great.


/for certain values of married anyway.
 
2014-03-08 11:01:14 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: Growing the HIGH end stuff is what takes skill and/or automation.

That's the truth and you have to have good seed stock.

I'd actually be willing to posit that environmental control, ie being able to maintain as uniform a growing environment as possible and having control over the different factors that promote growth and plant health will affect both your yield amount and potency more than having a "Kennedy" level seed pedigree.

The guys that have Cannabis Cup level strains don't like to tell you that they're not pulling those buds from the same grow rooms as their general cash crop. Those plants are grown in as close to laboratory conditions as they can figure out how to accomplish. When it becomes legal nationwide, expect the guys with automation experience to turn out the most and highest concentration THC/CBD buds, not the greenthumbs.

I can see that and I've been out to Cali years ago and they had stuff that blew the doors of anything grown here and I agree nutrients and creating optimime growing conditions would be the primary factor. I mean you could gets the best seeds from the Amsterdam seed bank and give them to two different people. One someone thats been "pro" for years and an avid vegie gardener and I know who would win.


Give them to a guy at a Makerspace. He'd blow the doors off the lot of them.

There's a reason I have an Arduino on my desk hooked up to CO2, proximity, liquid particulate sensors and a random array of solenoids......

Expect plenty more when it's legal.

/Oh, and Aero is the way to go. Quickest feedback, best way to automate cameras into the system to detect nute burns before they become serious and adjust accordingly. Only way I can see to "thread the needle" in real time and allow automation systems to affect growth in ways that the human element will never let us be capable of.
//Automation of Cannabis grows will lead the way to automated grow operations doing away with overland grows for practically all of our vegetable crops, you've heard it here first.
///And I plan on being at the ground level
 
2014-03-08 11:04:08 PM  

kling_klang_bed: tinfoil-hat maggie: kling_klang_bed: I agree, but this is sooooooooo discriminatory towards good honest meth, crack and heroin makers/dealers who need to protect their supply!

You may think you are trolling I can't say, but I would support making those basically prescription drugs instead of outright criminalization. For one the the FDA would be involved so peoeple would get cleaner safer stuff. We already have methadone clinics so, why not, but buy it at the convenience store um no.

Nah, no trolling, just being my usual sarcastic self. But, to your point: making them prescription drugs wouldn't even be a reality. From some trials that've been done, meth supposedly has some health benefits, but the consequences from using it all far outweigh that. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut, by that iota too, same case with 75% of the drugs Pfizer and the gang shove on the public on a daily basis. Still, the FDA wouldn't dare legalize any of those in any degree, and I'd be afraid of the kind of party those kinda addicts would be having if they heard about that!


Oh I understand, I've just seen and or heard the qualities (and therefore safety) of things like LSD,Ecstasy, Meth Amphetamines has gone way done and more trash drugs are out now. Keeping it all underground and illegal insure lack of quality and more availability to all age groups.

/Just my two cents.
//It was easier back in my day to get a joint than a beer, just sayin'
 
2014-03-08 11:07:50 PM  
The recent surge in popularization for MJ legalization is nothing more than the latest efforts of the feminazi movement.

"OMG, male plants are bad and we need to eradicate them completely."

Male MJ plants have feelings, too.

*sobs quietly into pillow*
 
2014-03-08 11:09:14 PM  
In Canada we call them Red Tories. They're extinct.

Along with Moderate and Liberal Republicans.
 
m00
2014-03-08 11:11:07 PM  

ChubbyTiger: You do realize that there are many libertarians who are not opposed to regulations? The thing is that libertarians want the regulations to be minimal and specific. Anarchy is an entirely different philosophy.


So much this.

Plenty of things are commonly owned by the citizenry -- air, water, public land. And they should absolutely be protected as such by specific regulation that has teeth. For example, no corporation or individual has the right to pollute water that belongs to us all. That's good and useful regulation.

Bad regulation is when government raises the cost of doing business asymmetrically in such a way that "coincidentally" benefits lobbyists.

Being against bad regulation does not mean a person is against regulation.
 
2014-03-08 11:16:02 PM  

kling_klang_bed: From some trials that've been done, meth supposedly has some health benefits, but the consequences from using it all far outweigh that.


Meth is indistinguishable pharmacologically from Adderall. I recommend Carl Hart's High Price as a reasonable introduction to the lack of rationale behind US drug policy; one of the simplest and most damning critiques is that the claimed harms from most drugs are flat-out lies (Reefer Madness); only seen in about 5% of the population of users, who seem to have a predisposition toward addictions of all sorts; or results of the draconian prohibition regime itself.
 
2014-03-08 11:17:09 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: kling_klang_bed: tinfoil-hat maggie: kling_klang_bed: I agree, but this is sooooooooo discriminatory towards good honest meth, crack and heroin makers/dealers who need to protect their supply!

You may think you are trolling I can't say, but I would support making those basically prescription drugs instead of outright criminalization. For one the the FDA would be involved so peoeple would get cleaner safer stuff. We already have methadone clinics so, why not, but buy it at the convenience store um no.

Nah, no trolling, just being my usual sarcastic self. But, to your point: making them prescription drugs wouldn't even be a reality. From some trials that've been done, meth supposedly has some health benefits, but the consequences from using it all far outweigh that. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut, by that iota too, same case with 75% of the drugs Pfizer and the gang shove on the public on a daily basis. Still, the FDA wouldn't dare legalize any of those in any degree, and I'd be afraid of the kind of party those kinda addicts would be having if they heard about that!

Oh I understand, I've just seen and or heard the qualities (and therefore safety) of things like LSD,Ecstasy, Meth Amphetamines has gone way done and more trash drugs are out now. Keeping it all underground and illegal insure lack of quality and more availability to all age groups.

/Just my two cents.
//It was easier back in my day to get a joint than a beer, just sayin'


Back home in Southside Chicago, weed is just as easy to get as beer! And the cops don't care about either.
 
2014-03-08 11:18:09 PM  

iq_in_binary: tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: Growing the HIGH end stuff is what takes skill and/or automation.

That's the truth and you have to have good seed stock.

I'd actually be willing to posit that environmental control, ie being able to maintain as uniform a growing environment as possible and having control over the different factors that promote growth and plant health will affect both your yield amount and potency more than having a "Kennedy" level seed pedigree.

The guys that have Cannabis Cup level strains don't like to tell you that they're not pulling those buds from the same grow rooms as their general cash crop. Those plants are grown in as close to laboratory conditions as they can figure out how to accomplish. When it becomes legal nationwide, expect the guys with automation experience to turn out the most and highest concentration THC/CBD buds, not the greenthumbs.

I can see that and I've been out to Cali years ago and they had stuff that blew the doors of anything grown here and I agree nutrients and creating optimime growing conditions would be the primary factor. I mean you could gets the best seeds from the Amsterdam seed bank and give them to two different people. One someone thats been "pro" for years and an avid vegie gardener and I know who would win.

Give them to a guy at a Makerspace. He'd blow the doors off the lot of them.

There's a reason I have an Arduino on my desk hooked up to CO2, proximity, liquid particulate sensors and a random array of solenoids......

Expect plenty more when it's legal.

/Oh, and Aero is the way to go. Quickest feedback, best way to automate cameras into the system to detect nute burns before they become serious and adjust accordingly. Only way I can see to "thread the needle" in real time and allow automation systems to affect growth in ways that the human element will never let us be capable of.
//Automation of Cannabis grows will lead the way to automated grow operations doing ...


Okay, it may be more than a crush. Anyway, my dream is for cannabis leas to be sold in the veggie section next to the baby spinach leaves.Buds would be replacing the smokes in that one aisle with the cigs (yay, I quit tobacco).

Also yea, yea I know the benefits of high CO2 levels in a greenhouse type environment. I sorta a self taught horticulturist, etc...
 
2014-03-08 11:22:33 PM  

chrylis: kling_klang_bed: From some trials that've been done, meth supposedly has some health benefits, but the consequences from using it all far outweigh that.

Meth is indistinguishable pharmacologically from Adderall. I recommend Carl Hart's High Price as a reasonable introduction to the lack of rationale behind US drug policy; one of the simplest and most damning critiques is that the claimed harms from most drugs are flat-out lies (Reefer Madness); only seen in about 5% of the population of users, who seem to have a predisposition toward addictions of all sorts; or results of the draconian prohibition regime itself.


I'll keep that in mind, after I get through my massive backlogs of books to finish.
 
2014-03-08 11:24:02 PM  

kling_klang_bed: Back home in Southside Chicago, weed is just as easy to get as beer! And the cops don't care about either.


When I new the right people it was way cheaper than beer.
 
2014-03-08 11:31:06 PM  
What Marijuana and a Pistol might look like.
 
2014-03-08 11:31:28 PM  

Rat: [img.fark.net image 320x240]

I even heard Glock is coming out with a javelin pistol to help
Lamar with his limp-wristed throwing shooting style.

© and I'm ok with that


Actually, Glocks and many other semi auto pistols including the blessed 1911 platform are prone to jamming due to a limp wrist during recoil.
 
2014-03-08 11:35:04 PM  
This IS the law where I am.
 
2014-03-08 11:40:11 PM  
He's running in Fort Mac. He knows his target audience...the only people up there who don't have weed crops spent their money on meth and hookers instead.
 
2014-03-08 11:45:24 PM  

SumoJeb: EdgeRunner: Headso: Hobodeluxe: TheOther: Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?

Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?

if they legalize growing then you'd probably want to do it indoors since they would likely limit you to a few plants. it would also protect it from natural predators like rodents and deer etc. plus you'd have longer light cycles and higher production per plant per cycle.

you'd do greenhouses, big huge greenhouses and only use lights for clones and mothers, that would bring your electricity costs way down. I  guess though ideally you'd have both going some big indoor operation for year round and then huge greenhouses for the traditional season.

Unpossible. I was assured in a previous marijuana thread that trying to grow weed is so incredibly difficult and time-consuming, no one would ever raise their own if they could just legally buy it from the pros.

/of course, it's possible the stoner I was talking to was just a really lazy bastard.

it is incredibly hard to grow good indoor. It is a full time job for more than one person.
Anything with value is a target for theft. Legal grows will still get ripped.


If marijuana were free, wouldn't it be a lot cheaper, and thus less of a target for theft?  I always assumed if it were made totally legal it would end up being grown on farms like tobacco.  I don't hear a lot of stories about people raiding tobacco farms.
 
2014-03-08 11:57:53 PM  

ciberido: SumoJeb: EdgeRunner: Headso: Hobodeluxe: TheOther: Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?

Nobody ever swiped your stash, legal or not?

if they legalize growing then you'd probably want to do it indoors since they would likely limit you to a few plants. it would also protect it from natural predators like rodents and deer etc. plus you'd have longer light cycles and higher production per plant per cycle.

you'd do greenhouses, big huge greenhouses and only use lights for clones and mothers, that would bring your electricity costs way down. I  guess though ideally you'd have both going some big indoor operation for year round and then huge greenhouses for the traditional season.

Unpossible. I was assured in a previous marijuana thread that trying to grow weed is so incredibly difficult and time-consuming, no one would ever raise their own if they could just legally buy it from the pros.

/of course, it's possible the stoner I was talking to was just a really lazy bastard.

it is incredibly hard to grow good indoor. It is a full time job for more than one person.
Anything with value is a target for theft. Legal grows will still get ripped.

If marijuana were free, wouldn't it be a lot cheaper, and thus less of a target for theft?  I always assumed if it were made totally legal it would end up being grown on farms like tobacco.  I don't hear a lot of stories about people raiding tobacco farms.


More reasons I love you, and hey when you can actually call the cops and they help you instead of arrest you it's a good thing.
 
2014-03-09 12:00:58 AM  
I'm cool with that.
 
2014-03-09 12:11:55 AM  
i.kinja-img.com
 
2014-03-09 12:17:24 AM  

TinyFist: The recent surge in popularization for MJ legalization is nothing more than the latest efforts of the feminazi movement.

"OMG, male plants are bad and we need to eradicate them completely."

Male MJ plants have feelings, too.

*sobs quietly into pillow*


you have been smoking WAY too much mary jane. seek professional help immediately. i am sure there is some medication that you should be on.
 
2014-03-09 12:24:34 AM  
And nuke the gay whales for Jesus.
 
2014-03-09 12:29:28 AM  
Abortions for some...

...miniature American Canadian flags for others!

*applause*
 
2014-03-09 12:32:25 AM  

wellreadneck: "Libertarian white men of a certain age are swooning for Moen"


Impugning their motives by questioning their sexual orientation. Really?


When he's through with the voters, all their plumbing fixtures will shine with fabulousity.
 
2014-03-09 12:42:31 AM  

Gyrfalcon: brownribbon: violentsalvation: Me too.


me too!
 
2014-03-09 12:44:16 AM  

Bonzo_1116: wellreadneck: "Libertarian white men of a certain age are swooning for Moen"


Impugning their motives by questioning their sexual orientation. Really?

When he's through with the voters, all their plumbing fixtures will shine with fabulousity.


i.walmartimages.com
 
2014-03-09 12:55:08 AM  

Mrtraveler01: ChubbyTiger: You do realize that there are many libertarians who are not opposed to regulations? The thing is that libertarians want the regulations to be minimal and specific.

Yeah, but they never say how minimal and how specific they should be. They usually just go on with more vague platitudes which sound pretty but really offer nothing in substance.

Not to mention their lack of ability to understand what  externalities are.


And that they don't seem to care if they're being farked by business as long as they aren't being farked by government.  Or when they do start talking specifics they end up sounding rather liberal...

m00: ChubbyTiger: You do realize that there are many libertarians who are not opposed to regulations? The thing is that libertarians want the regulations to be minimal and specific. Anarchy is an entirely different philosophy.


So much this.

Plenty of things are commonly owned by the citizenry -- air, water, public land. And they should absolutely be protected as such by specific regulation that has teeth. For example, no corporation or individual has the right to pollute water that belongs to us all. That's good and useful regulation.

Bad regulation is when government raises the cost of doing business asymmetrically in such a way that "coincidentally" benefits lobbyists.

Being against bad regulation does not mean a person is against regulation.


You want to protect the environment (say, from the effects of global warming) with smart regulation and limit the ability of business to lobby government?  How liberal of you!
 
2014-03-09 12:59:15 AM  

iq_in_binary: tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: Growing the HIGH end stuff is what takes skill and/or automation.

That's the truth and you have to have good seed stock.

I'd actually be willing to posit that environmental control, ie being able to maintain as uniform a growing environment as possible and having control over the different factors that promote growth and plant health will affect both your yield amount and potency more than having a "Kennedy" level seed pedigree.

The guys that have Cannabis Cup level strains don't like to tell you that they're not pulling those buds from the same grow rooms as their general cash crop. Those plants are grown in as close to laboratory conditions as they can figure out how to accomplish. When it becomes legal nationwide, expect the guys with automation experience to turn out the most and highest concentration THC/CBD buds, not the greenthumbs.

I can see that and I've been out to Cali years ago and they had stuff that blew the doors of anything grown here and I agree nutrients and creating optimime growing conditions would be the primary factor. I mean you could gets the best seeds from the Amsterdam seed bank and give them to two different people. One someone thats been "pro" for years and an avid vegie gardener and I know who would win.

Give them to a guy at a Makerspace. He'd blow the doors off the lot of them.

There's a reason I have an Arduino on my desk hooked up to CO2, proximity, liquid particulate sensors and a random array of solenoids......

Expect plenty more when it's legal.

/Oh, and Aero is the way to go. Quickest feedback, best way to automate cameras into the system to detect nute burns before they become serious and adjust accordingly. Only way I can see to "thread the needle" in real time and allow automation systems to affect growth in ways that the human element will never let us be capable of.
//Automation of Cannabis grows will lead the way to automated grow operations doing away with overland grows for practically all of our vegetable crops, you've heard it here first.
///And I plan on being at the ground level ...


If you have a newsletter for reals I would like to subscribe to that.

I guess a "nute burn" is the hydroponics fertilizer burning roots of plants?
 
2014-03-09 01:12:39 AM  

Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?


The only cure for illegal marijuana with a gun is legal marijuana with a gun.
 
2014-03-09 01:41:52 AM  

Kittypie070: iq_in_binary: tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: Growing the HIGH end stuff is what takes skill and/or automation.

That's the truth and you have to have good seed stock.

I'd actually be willing to posit that environmental control, ie being able to maintain as uniform a growing environment as possible and having control over the different factors that promote growth and plant health will affect both your yield amount and potency more than having a "Kennedy" level seed pedigree.

The guys that have Cannabis Cup level strains don't like to tell you that they're not pulling those buds from the same grow rooms as their general cash crop. Those plants are grown in as close to laboratory conditions as they can figure out how to accomplish. When it becomes legal nationwide, expect the guys with automation experience to turn out the most and highest concentration THC/CBD buds, not the greenthumbs.

I can see that and I've been out to Cali years ago and they had stuff that blew the doors of anything grown here and I agree nutrients and creating optimime growing conditions would be the primary factor. I mean you could gets the best seeds from the Amsterdam seed bank and give them to two different people. One someone thats been "pro" for years and an avid vegie gardener and I know who would win.

Give them to a guy at a Makerspace. He'd blow the doors off the lot of them.

There's a reason I have an Arduino on my desk hooked up to CO2, proximity, liquid particulate sensors and a random array of solenoids......

Expect plenty more when it's legal.

/Oh, and Aero is the way to go. Quickest feedback, best way to automate cameras into the system to detect nute burns before they become serious and adjust accordingly. Only way I can see to "thread the needle" in real time and allow automation systems to affect growth in ways that the human element will never let us be capable of.
//Automation of Cannabis grows will lead the way to automated grow ope ...


The leaves themselves, actually. Roots are incredibly resilient to nutrient overload due to the fact that they're not actually doing any work aside from delivering the nutrients to the areas of the plant that are actually burning calories. Namely the leaves performing the myriad conversions of different nutrients into different sugars and proteins via photosynthesis. Unless you're exposing the roots to excessive alkalinity or acidity via the nutrient bath itself, they'll pretty much suck up anything you can throw at them so long as they're not exposed to light or left dry for too long. Same goes for the stalk of the plant except you're not worried about the light and it's pretty resilient to any water borne toxicity. The growing medium that you're using to foster the roots usually does away with any of the alkalinity or acidity the nascent precipitation may introduce, whether by way of local treatment with additives like calcium and loam for soil grows or use of organic neutral compounds like rock wool and various nut shell wools for hydroponics. The leaves are where you gauge any damage being done to pretty much any plant that flowers above ground. It's where all the work is being done. You don't look to the drive train when the motor in your car is overheating or knocking.

You'd be surprised how many hydro grows go wrong because they're overzealous about their nutrients and figure that the yellow spots originating from the stem of a leaf are due to the lights being too close to the plant as opposed to the nutrients feeding too much sulfur to the plant. (Little hint, both light burns and nute burns take the appearance of yellow spots or areas on a leaf: Light/heat burns because the plant can't feed enough water to the edges of a leaf to keep it from heating up too much and wide spectrum lighting does nothing but add way more than blue to the cells dying to offset the already occurring yellow and keep it green, and nute burns because sulfur itself reflects yellow, the most common nutrient that newcomers burn their plants with.)
 
2014-03-09 01:45:09 AM  

iq_in_binary: Kittypie070: iq_in_binary: tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: Growing the HIGH end stuff is what takes skill and/or automation.

That's the truth and you have to have good seed stock.

I'd actually be willing to posit that environmental control, ie being able to maintain as uniform a growing environment as possible and having control over the different factors that promote growth and plant health will affect both your yield amount and potency more than having a "Kennedy" level seed pedigree.

The guys that have Cannabis Cup level strains don't like to tell you that they're not pulling those buds from the same grow rooms as their general cash crop. Those plants are grown in as close to laboratory conditions as they can figure out how to accomplish. When it becomes legal nationwide, expect the guys with automation experience to turn out the most and highest concentration THC/CBD buds, not the greenthumbs.

I can see that and I've been out to Cali years ago and they had stuff that blew the doors of anything grown here and I agree nutrients and creating optimime growing conditions would be the primary factor. I mean you could gets the best seeds from the Amsterdam seed bank and give them to two different people. One someone thats been "pro" for years and an avid vegie gardener and I know who would win.

Give them to a guy at a Makerspace. He'd blow the doors off the lot of them.

There's a reason I have an Arduino on my desk hooked up to CO2, proximity, liquid particulate sensors and a random array of solenoids......

Expect plenty more when it's legal.

/Oh, and Aero is the way to go. Quickest feedback, best way to automate cameras into the system to detect nute burns before they become serious and adjust accordingly. Only way I can see to "thread the needle" in real time and allow automation systems to affect growth in ways that the human element will never let us be capable of.
//Automation of Cannabis grows will lead the way to autom ...


And for the record, I didn't mention aeroponics in that little screed because you DON'T have that little buffer protecting your roots. It is the most unforgiving method of growing, period. That's why automation is both key and why it will handily kick soil and hydro grows in the pants when it is automated intelligently. Least wiggle room for error, greatest room for improvement in pretty much every area.
 
2014-03-09 01:53:41 AM  
If you can have your guns, you can have your weed too. No carrot whacking though.

i.kinja-img.com
 
2014-03-09 01:54:45 AM  

chrylis: Meth is indistinguishable pharmacologically from Adderall.


Bullshiat. Pigshiat. Horseshiat.

d-amphetamine, meth-amphateamine and for that matter methelyenedioxyamphetamine have very different pharmacological, physiological and addiction profiles. Try citing some actual Science by someone with a background in, you know, pharmacology, neurology, psychiatry or biochemistry rather than a conspiracy theory hack
 
2014-03-09 03:09:25 AM  

Kome: MountainClimber:

Not many lefties call for the total banishment of guns. In fact, very few do.


I'm a socialist and pro-gun. There's no contradiction there.  I personally dislike guns and have zero desire to ever own one but I strongly believe that that in no way justifies taking away other people's guns.
 
2014-03-09 03:14:06 AM  
iq_in_binary: The leaves themselves, actually. Roots are incredibly resilient to nutrient overload...

*does that tail-shaking trick cats do when they are very very happy*

That's some cool stuff.

I have a book on growing plants via hydroponics, with lots of technical info, and I'm gonna put your notes in it.
 
2014-03-09 03:25:38 AM  

Kittypie070: iq_in_binary: The leaves themselves, actually. Roots are incredibly resilient to nutrient overload...

*does that tail-shaking trick cats do when they are very very happy*

That's some cool stuff.

I have a book on growing plants via hydroponics, with lots of technical info, and I'm gonna put your notes in it.


I'm an aero guy. Mainly because it gives the the quickest feedback for whatever changes I make. While the rules of thumb I more or less put forward still kind of apply, hydro gives you a lot of buffer room by virtue of the medium you're growing in being able to soak up nutrients and feed them back to the roots as they become hungry for them. The kind of experiments I'm interested in are at the very edge of performance for a given plant, in the interest of getting rid of overland grows being predominant. Just keep that in mind. It's like asking an alcohol dragster how to get the best performance out of your diesel station wagon. In the end the numbers speak for themselves, but how you arrived at them can be worlds apart.

Just so you know.

And hey, if you get a grow diary going, I'll trade notes with you if we happen to have common species in our gardens. Not so sure it'd be of any use to me unless you grew aero too, just to be honest.
 
2014-03-09 04:50:14 AM  
oho, bleeding edge, eh...?

Well, I live in a pretty small apartment on a fixed income, and I could conceivably use the hall closet if only I could clear it of the legit stuff stored in there.

...it'd be nice to have a growspace just for fun.

/damn this keyboard...
 
2014-03-09 04:54:15 AM  
Oh hey, hold on. Before I turn in, I gotta ask.

Would aero[ponics] be an effective technique for NASA to use?
 
2014-03-09 05:08:02 AM  
Hey - Libertarians are great on SOCIAL issues - hardly anybody thinks they aren't except the Christian Right.
Unfortunately, there is more to politics than social issues.
 
2014-03-09 05:12:56 AM  

Kittypie070: Oh hey, hold on. Before I turn in, I gotta ask.

Would aero[ponics] be an effective technique for NASA to use?




I learned about it from NASA blurbs some years ago.
They've looked into it, and it works nicely, but I recall the problem is microgravity and plants aren't a healthy combination.
 
2014-03-09 05:18:19 AM  

way south: Kittypie070: Oh hey, hold on. Before I turn in, I gotta ask.

Would aero[ponics] be an effective technique for NASA to use?

I learned about it from NASA blurbs some years ago.
They've looked into it, and it works nicely, but I recall the problem is microgravity and plants aren't a healthy combination.


Other than fungi and lichens, most plants need an "up" to grow toward.
 
2014-03-09 05:20:58 AM  

Kittypie070: oho, bleeding edge, eh...?

Well, I live in a pretty small apartment on a fixed income, and I could conceivably use the hall closet if only I could clear it of the legit stuff stored in there.

...it'd be nice to have a growspace just for fun.

/damn this keyboard...


The cabinet I'm working on would fit in an average closet, use less than 400W, cost less than $3K, and be capable of growing both your personal stash and quite a bit of food on top of it.

My goal is an aquarium/terrarium system that could both grow your vegetable food and rear some aquatic food species using the runoff to handle roughly 80% of your food needs for less than you'd pay to power a desktop PC. Say hello to food independence, and the end of the current oligarchy.

Pipe dream, I know. But we can do it.
 
2014-03-09 05:23:26 AM  

jso2897: way south: Kittypie070: Oh hey, hold on. Before I turn in, I gotta ask.

Would aero[ponics] be an effective technique for NASA to use?

I learned about it from NASA blurbs some years ago.
They've looked into it, and it works nicely, but I recall the problem is microgravity and plants aren't a healthy combination.

Other than fungi and lichens, most plants need an "up" to grow toward.


Centrifugal force. It's not so much of an "up to grow towards" as it is a "definite down to grow away from."
 
2014-03-09 05:36:31 AM  
Oh MAN that is a hell of a goal. :)

Thanks, iq.

*conks out with good dreams*
 
2014-03-09 05:57:56 AM  

Kittypie070: oho, bleeding edge, eh...?

Well, I live in a pretty small apartment on a fixed income, and I could conceivably use the hall closet if only I could clear it of the legit stuff stored in there.

...it'd be nice to have a growspace just for fun.

/damn this keyboard...


in a small apt you might have a bit of a smell problem. depending on the strain someone might think you were keeping a skunk.
 
2014-03-09 06:00:13 AM  

iq_in_binary: jso2897: way south: Kittypie070: Oh hey, hold on. Before I turn in, I gotta ask.

Would aero[ponics] be an effective technique for NASA to use?

I learned about it from NASA blurbs some years ago.
They've looked into it, and it works nicely, but I recall the problem is microgravity and plants aren't a healthy combination.

Other than fungi and lichens, most plants need an "up" to grow toward.

Centrifugal force. It's not so much of an "up to grow towards" as it is a "definite down to grow away from."


don't they just follow the light source? that's been my experience with any kind of plant.
 
2014-03-09 06:14:47 AM  

Hobodeluxe: iq_in_binary: jso2897: way south: Kittypie070: Oh hey, hold on. Before I turn in, I gotta ask.

Would aero[ponics] be an effective technique for NASA to use?

I learned about it from NASA blurbs some years ago.
They've looked into it, and it works nicely, but I recall the problem is microgravity and plants aren't a healthy combination.

Other than fungi and lichens, most plants need an "up" to grow toward.

Centrifugal force. It's not so much of an "up to grow towards" as it is a "definite down to grow away from."

don't they just follow the light source? that's been my experience with any kind of plant.


When there is only one general direction to follow, yes.

My approach would be to use LED's to get rid of the top down idea of growing plants. Instead of a few filament systems that are positioned necessarily from the top down, we can use LEDs to provide light from all sides. Instead of plants wasting energy growing up, we can get them to grow OUT.
 
2014-03-09 06:24:50 AM  

iq_in_binary: Kittypie070: oho, bleeding edge, eh...?

Well, I live in a pretty small apartment on a fixed income, and I could conceivably use the hall closet if only I could clear it of the legit stuff stored in there.

...it'd be nice to have a growspace just for fun.

/damn this keyboard...

The cabinet I'm working on would fit in an average closet, use less than 400W, cost less than $3K, and be capable of growing both your personal stash and quite a bit of food on top of it.

My goal is an aquarium/terrarium system that could both grow your vegetable food and rear some aquatic food species using the runoff to handle roughly 80% of your food needs for less than you'd pay to power a desktop PC. Say hello to food independence, and the end of the current oligarchy.

Pipe dream, I know. But we can do it.



Aquaponics. It's actually not that expensive or difficult to start once you've got the plumbing down. I'm Working on a similar thing for the back yard.
Trick is having a swirl filter and aeration, so you don't get solid wastes into your grow bed.
 
2014-03-09 07:17:25 AM  

iq_in_binary: jso2897: way south: Kittypie070: Oh hey, hold on. Before I turn in, I gotta ask.

Would aero[ponics] be an effective technique for NASA to use?

I learned about it from NASA blurbs some years ago.
They've looked into it, and it works nicely, but I recall the problem is microgravity and plants aren't a healthy combination.

Other than fungi and lichens, most plants need an "up" to grow toward.

Centrifugal force. It's not so much of an "up to grow towards" as it is a "definite down to grow away from."


I would think that centrifugal "artificial gravity" will be used to address a lot of the difficulties living things have in outer space.
 
2014-03-09 09:00:21 AM  

Old Man Winter: If the weed is legal why do they need to protect it?


My beer is legal, but people still steal it from the frdge.
 
2014-03-09 09:25:51 AM  
If you need guns to protect plants you're doing it wrong.
 
2014-03-09 09:34:29 AM  
Now, see, this guy gets it. We could use more like him, especially in the US.
 
2014-03-09 09:38:21 AM  
Oh god, it's spreading.

I'm a big fan of the comment. 'I'm not against regulation. I'm against bad regulation!". Don't you hate pants?

Let's be honest. The freedom of a people and it's businesses is an important thing to consider when legislating. There's nothing wrong with a solid argument of why more freedom is better, because in cases, it can be. Even perhaps quantifiably, or culturally so. But even more freedom than that may not be. So far as I can tell, Libertarians love the good things and hate the bad things. It's feel like Grover Norqvist all over again. Cmoe up with an idea when you're 12, and never let go. Just chant "Freedom, Free Market" and things will be okay.

It just smacks of "Things are hard and complex. There can't possibly be a reason for that, or accountability. Let's just make shiat easy and hope it works out, K?"
 
2014-03-09 10:11:31 AM  
I was expecting Colorado here, not Canada.  Then, he's from Alberta, so I shouldn't be surprised.
 
2014-03-09 10:26:50 AM  
I have a question:

If I change my sex from one to another, does that make me homosexual if I like to hook up or hang out with people of that sex?

And if I am half one race and half another I know I am biracial, and then would the foregoing make me a bisexual biracial?

So then if I then married someone of the same sex but not in a state that recognized the union would I still be a bigamist if I was also married to a person of the opposite sex? I'd be a bisexual biracial bigamist.

And then because I have this little problem and I have my ups and downs each day trying to figure it out would could I also be bipoar?

One thing I am happy about are my two legs, cause I like to be a biped and I can get around swell, no prob.

So then if I lived in Florida and wanted to use a gun to protect my pot farm I'd be able to as a biracial bipolar bisexual bigamist biped.

Thank you for helping me clear this up.

www.stereogum.com
 
2014-03-09 10:37:18 AM  

umad: Sounds fine with me too.


It's a one-liner summary of libertarian social policy positions, he means it sincerely.
 
2014-03-09 11:00:14 AM  

iq_in_binary: Kittypie070: oho, bleeding edge, eh...?

Well, I live in a pretty small apartment on a fixed income, and I could conceivably use the hall closet if only I could clear it of the legit stuff stored in there.

...it'd be nice to have a growspace just for fun.

/damn this keyboard...

The cabinet I'm working on would fit in an average closet, use less than 400W, cost less than $3K, and be capable of growing both your personal stash and quite a bit of food on top of it.

My goal is an aquarium/terrarium system that could both grow your vegetable food and rear some aquatic food species using the runoff to handle roughly 80% of your food needs for less than you'd pay to power a desktop PC. Say hello to food independence, and the end of the current oligarchy.

Pipe dream, I know. But we can do it.


Newsletter. Seriously.
 
2014-03-09 01:09:12 PM  
Big alcohol doesn't like weed.
Weed can skew th PPH scale?
What is the PPH scale?
Glad you asked.
Lacking XLS back in the 70s, I, as a college freshnan, created the price per high scale on a calender.
Noting how many nights I partook of anything debilitating and how much it cost.
Color coding was:
Green for weed
Yellow for beer
Brown for hash
etc etc.
Weed, at the time, being more accessible, was cheaper.
 
2014-03-09 01:49:08 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-09 03:09:12 PM  
I want to genetically engineer a breed of politicians who are socially liberal and fiscally moderate.  Anybody with me?
 
2014-03-09 03:16:02 PM  

iq_in_binary: The cabinet I'm working on would fit in an average closet, use less than 400W, cost less than $3K, and be capable of growing both your personal stash and quite a bit of food on top of it.

My goal is an aquarium/terrarium system that could both grow your vegetable food and rear some aquatic food species using the runoff to handle roughly 80% of your food needs for less than you'd pay to power a desktop PC. Say hello to food independence,



Not interested in the weed part, but can you show any plans for how 80% of your food needs could be grown in a space the size of a closet?
 
2014-03-09 03:52:15 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: If you need guns to protect plants you're doing it wrong.


We could cross the weed with Venus Flytraps?
 
2014-03-09 03:56:07 PM  

Anschauer: I have a question:

If I change my sex from one to another, I think I'm totally in the wrong thread.


Fixt
 
2014-03-09 03:58:01 PM  
Or not.

In any case you took way too long to get to the buried punchline.
 
2014-03-09 05:19:58 PM  
"I want (US citizens) to be able to protect their (legal livelihood) with guns."

If you see the headline any other way you're part of the problem.
 
2014-03-09 09:31:16 PM  

iq_in_binary: iq_in_binary: Kittypie070: iq_in_binary: tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: tinfoil-hat maggie: iq_in_binary: Growing the HIGH end stuff is what takes skill and/or automation.

That's the truth and you have to have good seed stock.

I'd actually be willing to posit that environmental control, ie being able to maintain as uniform a growing environment as possible and having control over the different factors that promote growth and plant health will affect both your yield amount and potency more than having a "Kennedy" level seed pedigree.

The guys that have Cannabis Cup level strains don't like to tell you that they're not pulling those buds from the same grow rooms as their general cash crop. Those plants are grown in as close to laboratory conditions as they can figure out how to accomplish. When it becomes legal nationwide, expect the guys with automation experience to turn out the most and highest concentration THC/CBD buds, not the greenthumbs.

I can see that and I've been out to Cali years ago and they had stuff that blew the doors of anything grown here and I agree nutrients and creating optimime growing conditions would be the primary factor. I mean you could gets the best seeds from the Amsterdam seed bank and give them to two different people. One someone thats been "pro" for years and an avid vegie gardener and I know who would win.

Give them to a guy at a Makerspace. He'd blow the doors off the lot of them.

There's a reason I have an Arduino on my desk hooked up to CO2, proximity, liquid particulate sensors and a random array of solenoids......

Expect plenty more when it's legal.

/Oh, and Aero is the way to go. Quickest feedback, best way to automate cameras into the system to detect nute burns before they become serious and adjust accordingly. Only way I can see to "thread the needle" in real time and allow automation systems to affect growth in ways that the human element will never let us be capable of.
//Automation of Cannabis grows will lead the way to autom ...

And for the record, I didn't mention aeroponics in that little screed because you DON'T have that little buffer protecting your roots. It is the most unforgiving method of growing, period. That's why automation is both key and why it will handily kick soil and hydro grows in the pants when it is automated intelligently. Least wiggle room for error, greatest room for improvement in pretty much every area.


Man you're right that whole thing sounds really simple. I'm sure when it's legalized everyone will just grow their own medical quality, all you gotta do is watch the sulfur levels, keep an eye out for the nute burn, and rig up some lights with a soldering iron. Easy peasey.

You know what's easy to grow? Tomatoes. Most people still don't bother because you can get then cheaper and easier at a farmer's market. Pot will be the same way. People like you that know wtf they're doing will supply to most people who care about quality. While all the people who say dumb shiat like "it's just a weed it grows anywhere" will be growing ditch weed.
 
2014-03-09 10:13:25 PM  

Fuzzmosis: Oh god, it's spreading.

I'm a big fan of the comment. 'I'm not against regulation. I'm against bad regulation!". Don't you hate pants?

Let's be honest. The freedom of a people and it's businesses is an important thing to consider when legislating. There's nothing wrong with a solid argument of why more freedom is better, because in cases, it can be. Even perhaps quantifiably, or culturally so. But even more freedom than that may not be. So far as I can tell, Libertarians love the good things and hate the bad things. It's feel like Grover Norqvist all over again. Cmoe up with an idea when you're 12, and never let go. Just chant "Freedom, Free Market" and things will be okay.

It just smacks of "Things are hard and complex. There can't possibly be a reason for that, or accountability. Let's just make shiat easy and hope it works out, K?"


The problem is that most regulations are born out of political self interest.   They'll say its for the public good just so you'll buy the whole package.
They'll tell you that regulation is for making milk safe to drink, but their real concern is making sure only specific lobbyists can sell milk. Contaminated goods and untested drugs still fly over the counter and the powers that be simply don't care when there's no personal benefit instopping it.

Yes there are some good laws, but I believe there are far more created to profit specific interests and not the general public. The bar has been set far too low for what passes as proper regulation and now its interfering with our ability to change and grow as a nation.

The name of the game should be achieving a better society through as little government influence as possible.   What's happened is that there's so much regulation that even the experts can't sort through the piles of corporate sourced bullshiat before they vote on it.

The public wants this shiat to stop.
Personally, I'm not against the risk of radium poisoning if it means I can take a torch to the bad ideas too.
 
2014-03-09 10:28:03 PM  

Mad_Radhu: That's the kind of small government I can get behind.


It's called libertarianism. It's fairly popular in the US, as third parties go. They are also against corporations colluding with the government, dropping bombs on brown people, restricting abortions, and farking with illegal immigrants. A lot of people don't like them though because the "keep your government out of our business" extends to not forcing drug trials, not forcing hiring restrictions, that kind of stuff. People really get pissy about their dislike of anti-discrimination laws in business. Really it's just consistent ideology; a libertarian would no more force someone to hire a black dude then he would force a black dude to work somewhere. It's all people trading good and services; who's the "boss" doesn't mean anything. In a perfect libertarian world, the government is completely blind to race, religion, gender, sexuality, etc; there are no "gender" or "race" fields on government forms. That tends to piss off more liberal folks are all about including racial discrimination into law as long as the discrimination is beneficial to the race in question. And of course, they piss off the right because they don't give a shiat about their god, their moral crusades, drug prohibition, or pumping money into the military-industrial complex.

IF, ideology-wise, I had to accept the existence of a government, I would be libertarian.
 
2014-03-09 11:19:47 PM  

way south: Fuzzmosis: Oh god, it's spreading.

I'm a big fan of the comment. 'I'm not against regulation. I'm against bad regulation!". Don't you hate pants?

Let's be honest. The freedom of a people and it's businesses is an important thing to consider when legislating. There's nothing wrong with a solid argument of why more freedom is better, because in cases, it can be. Even perhaps quantifiably, or culturally so. But even more freedom than that may not be. So far as I can tell, Libertarians love the good things and hate the bad things. It's feel like Grover Norqvist all over again. Cmoe up with an idea when you're 12, and never let go. Just chant "Freedom, Free Market" and things will be okay.

It just smacks of "Things are hard and complex. There can't possibly be a reason for that, or accountability. Let's just make shiat easy and hope it works out, K?"

The problem is that most regulations are born out of political self interest.   They'll say its for the public good just so you'll buy the whole package.
They'll tell you that regulation is for making milk safe to drink, but their real concern is making sure only specific lobbyists can sell milk. Contaminated goods and untested drugs still fly over the counter and the powers that be simply don't care when there's no personal benefit instopping it.

Yes there are some good laws, but I believe there are far more created to profit specific interests and not the general public. The bar has been set far too low for what passes as proper regulation and now its interfering with our ability to change and grow as a nation.

The name of the game should be achieving a better society through as little government influence as possible.   What's happened is that there's so much regulation that even the experts can't sort through the piles of corporate sourced bullshiat before they vote on it.

The public wants this shiat to stop.
Personally, I'm not against the risk of radium poisoning if it means I can take a torch to the bad ideas ...


So... you want everything gone then, good and bad. That's certainly less effort than just getting rid of bad. Or understanding why you may find an idea good or bad, historically and presently. Also, are you sure the experts can't go through the regulations and guess why things are there? Are you sure that's not just... you?
 
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