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2014-03-08 09:10:24 PM
It's amazing no one was killed.

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This picture deserves to have its own photoshop or caption thread.
 
2014-03-08 09:11:34 PM
To be fair, the airport kinda had the look of a farmer's market.  Skydiver was very lucky he wasn't chopped like a vegetable.
 
2014-03-08 09:16:16 PM

"License to Ill, Part 2"


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2014-03-08 09:17:41 PM
after RTFA, I think it's the skydiver who's the menace. The pilot was minding his own business practicing
touch and go's on the runway when a skydiver dropped in his path

Both are lucky to be alive.
 
2014-03-08 09:19:00 PM
If the pilot was doing touch and goes, then I'd say the skydiver was at fault. That's like stepping in to the middle of a busy street.
 
2014-03-08 09:19:25 PM
img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-08 09:21:05 PM

skinink: "License to Ill, Part 2"


Is that a movie about accidentally the whole thing?
 
2014-03-08 09:29:58 PM
The pilot didn't do anything wrong, the skydiver was trying to land on an active airfield. I guess if he landed in the middle of a freeway subby would have blamed the cars.

Stupid headline is stupid.
 
2014-03-08 09:32:55 PM
FTA:

"During his third pass, the passenger side wing of his plane became entangled in and then cut the strings of a skydiver's parachute 75 feet above the ground. "

Really? Are you sure there isn't a decimal missing from that number somewhere?

wtvt.images.worldnow.com
 
2014-03-08 09:36:31 PM

ReapTheChaos: The pilot didn't do anything wrong, the skydiver was trying to land on an active airfield. I guess if he landed in the middle of a freeway subby would have blamed the cars.

Stupid headline is stupid.



Right-of-way is given to whomever is the least maneuverable.  Hot air balloons have priority over gliders, gliders have priority over engine-driven airplanes.  I'm not sure about skydivers, and don't feel like looking it up in the FAR/AIM, but I would guess that the airplane is at fault.

I'm a pilot, but just barely.  I dropped out of my flying club (Piper Archer N7645F) in 2010, and haven't flown since then.
 
2014-03-08 09:45:27 PM

TanHamster: ReapTheChaos: The pilot didn't do anything wrong, the skydiver was trying to land on an active airfield. I guess if he landed in the middle of a freeway subby would have blamed the cars.

Stupid headline is stupid.


Right-of-way is given to whomever is the least maneuverable.  Hot air balloons have priority over gliders, gliders have priority over engine-driven airplanes.  I'm not sure about skydivers, and don't feel like looking it up in the FAR/AIM, but I would guess that the airplane is at fault.

I'm a pilot, but just barely.  I dropped out of my flying club (Piper Archer N7645F) in 2010, and haven't flown since then.


There are limitations. For example a chopper landing at an airport is often warned 'at your own risk' because they land in 'non-movement' areas.

That being said, if it's X49 (Airnav has that for South Lakeland in Florida) it does list parachute activity. When they list the activity, it becomes incumbent on the pilot to avoid it.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/X49/A
 
2014-03-08 09:50:40 PM

inglixthemad: TanHamster: ReapTheChaos: The pilot didn't do anything wrong, the skydiver was trying to land on an active airfield. I guess if he landed in the middle of a freeway subby would have blamed the cars.

Stupid headline is stupid.


Right-of-way is given to whomever is the least maneuverable.  Hot air balloons have priority over gliders, gliders have priority over engine-driven airplanes.  I'm not sure about skydivers, and don't feel like looking it up in the FAR/AIM, but I would guess that the airplane is at fault.

I'm a pilot, but just barely.  I dropped out of my flying club (Piper Archer N7645F) in 2010, and haven't flown since then.

There are limitations. For example a chopper landing at an airport is often warned 'at your own risk' because they land in 'non-movement' areas.

That being said, if it's X49 (Airnav has that for South Lakeland in Florida) it does list parachute activity. When they list the activity, it becomes incumbent on the pilot to avoid it.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/X49/A


True story, there have been a few cases where I've been landing an R44 on an uncontrolled apron and been told by the tower that I was 'cleared to land at my discretion' only to have a Cessna pop out and taxi right into where I was going to land. Long story short, pilot always has to be aware and from the picture posted above it doesn't look like that parachute would be difficult to spot.
 
2014-03-08 09:55:25 PM
If I were skydiving, you bet there'd;;;;;.;.;;; be a fatality. Getting up, and beating that geezer so hard his grandkids'd be spiting blood. Maybe the skydiver is saving it for a christmas present.

/If you can remember a time before planes, then don't try to fly.
 
2014-03-08 09:58:01 PM
EIGHTY-SEVEN YEAR OLD PILOT?
 
2014-03-08 09:58:52 PM
Seriously, unless his name is Aragorn, he shouldn't wield such weapons.
 
2014-03-08 09:59:14 PM
Instead of yelling "Geronimo!" when he jumped, the skydiver shoulda yelled "Matlock!"
 
2014-03-08 10:04:47 PM
75 feet above the ground, eh? Does Fox News even look at their own pictures/video? That was more like *7* feet above the ground.
 
2014-03-08 10:07:07 PM

change1211: inglixthemad: TanHamster: ReapTheChaos: The pilot didn't do anything wrong, the skydiver was trying to land on an active airfield. I guess if he landed in the middle of a freeway subby would have blamed the cars.

Stupid headline is stupid.


Right-of-way is given to whomever is the least maneuverable.  Hot air balloons have priority over gliders, gliders have priority over engine-driven airplanes.  I'm not sure about skydivers, and don't feel like looking it up in the FAR/AIM, but I would guess that the airplane is at fault.

I'm a pilot, but just barely.  I dropped out of my flying club (Piper Archer N7645F) in 2010, and haven't flown since then.

There are limitations. For example a chopper landing at an airport is often warned 'at your own risk' because they land in 'non-movement' areas.

That being said, if it's X49 (Airnav has that for South Lakeland in Florida) it does list parachute activity. When they list the activity, it becomes incumbent on the pilot to avoid it.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/X49/A

True story, there have been a few cases where I've been landing an R44 on an uncontrolled apron and been told by the tower that I was 'cleared to land at my discretion' only to have a Cessna pop out and taxi right into where I was going to land. Long story short, pilot always has to be aware and from the picture posted above it doesn't look like that parachute would be difficult to spot.


It's the 'profile shift' that'll get you. Well, that and the tunnel vision.

The profile shift is how something looks at one angle. Things can be hard to spot at one angle while completely obvious at another. I remember during training a bizjet was taking off from KATW 30, and he was booking. We wouldn't have made contact, but his jet wash would've been unpleasant at 2000 AGL.

On landing, add tunnel vision. You're so focused on the descent rate, and the ground in front of you, you can literally 'miss the forest for the trees' even trying not to do that.

Not excusing the guy, the data warns of skydive activity. That being said, I can see the way it likely happened.
 
2014-03-08 10:12:15 PM

puffy999: EIGHTY-SEVEN YEAR OLD PILOT?


Not like piloting requires extreme physical capability. As long as he can see, hear, and think clearly, flying on a nice day is way more relaxing than a Sunday drive.
 
2014-03-08 10:19:32 PM
www.psychologicalscience.org

"What's a skydiver? Is that who's in front of the plane?!"
 
2014-03-08 10:21:27 PM
Around here they announce the field closed over the ATC freq. all the local pilots know its a dual use field and monitor the channel for the calls, I wonder if that field does the same and old guy missed the call?
 
2014-03-08 10:22:17 PM

inglixthemad: puffy999: EIGHTY-SEVEN YEAR OLD PILOT?

Not like piloting requires extreme physical capability. As long as he can see, hear, and think clearly, flying on a nice day is way more relaxing than a Sunday drive.


Umm....they can't really do that either.
 
2014-03-08 10:26:35 PM
Wow.

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'And then, a bird of like rarest spun heavenmetal, or like silvery wine flowing in a spaceship, gravity all nonsense now...'
 
2014-03-08 10:29:36 PM
I am a skydiver and a pilot - the skydiver here is the guy who screwed up - the pilot was doing touch and goes the skydiver dropped in front of him as the plane had ended his takeoff roll.  See and be seen is one of the most important things a pilot does.  A skydiver landing on a runway is not one of those things that you really expect though. The skydiver has control of where he lands.

Pretty much ruined a nicely restored old Cessna.
 
2014-03-08 10:32:25 PM
Ban it!
 
2014-03-08 10:33:40 PM

not2bright: after RTFA, I think it's the skydiver who's the menace. The pilot was minding his own business practicing
touch and go's on the runway when a skydiver dropped in his path

Both are lucky to be alive.


My first thought too. Who skydives near a runway? There are designated areas for that and are shown on aviation maps.
 
2014-03-08 10:39:27 PM
It's not uncommon to have skydiving activities near an active field. If he wasn't in radio comms with other pilots while puttering around an active field, he is a dumbass.
 
2014-03-08 10:39:38 PM

inglixthemad: puffy999: EIGHTY-SEVEN YEAR OLD PILOT?

Not like piloting requires extreme physical capability. As long as he can see, hear, and think clearly, flying on a nice day is way more relaxing than a Sunday drive.


It's not the flying that worries me....
 
2014-03-08 11:02:25 PM

Russ1642: not2bright: after RTFA, I think it's the skydiver who's the menace. The pilot was minding his own business practicing
touch and go's on the runway when a skydiver dropped in his path

Both are lucky to be alive.

My first thought too. Who skydives near a runway? There are designated areas for that and are shown on aviation maps.


Yeah, the designated areas are almost always at airports, genius. This one was.
 
2014-03-08 11:08:56 PM

Bigjohn3592: Russ1642: not2bright: after RTFA, I think it's the skydiver who's the menace. The pilot was minding his own business practicing
touch and go's on the runway when a skydiver dropped in his path

Both are lucky to be alive.

My first thought too. Who skydives near a runway? There are designated areas for that and are shown on aviation maps.

Yeah, the designated areas are almost always at airports, genius. This one was.


Not the airport I trained out of. The skydiving area was out of the way of all the traffic. Maybe a five minute flight away. Why would you want to dive near an active runway?
 
2014-03-08 11:30:14 PM

Russ1642: Bigjohn3592: Russ1642: not2bright: after RTFA, I think it's the skydiver who's the menace. The pilot was minding his own business practicing
touch and go's on the runway when a skydiver dropped in his path

Both are lucky to be alive.

My first thought too. Who skydives near a runway? There are designated areas for that and are shown on aviation maps.

Yeah, the designated areas are almost always at airports, genius. This one was.

Not the airport I trained out of. The skydiving area was out of the way of all the traffic. Maybe a five minute flight away. Why would you want to dive near an active runway?


That's where the jump planes are?  Google search your nearest commercial skydive drop zones.  If you find one that isn't located at an airport, I'll send you a quarter.   Skydivers under parachute are essentially gliders, so they both have entitlement to use the airport and, they have the right of way over powered planes.
 
2014-03-08 11:33:14 PM
I'll second the "less maneuverable aircraft gets the right-of-way" blame train.  It's one of the first rules you learn.  I'm glad it wasn't worse.
 
2014-03-08 11:55:25 PM

exboyracer: I am a skydiver and a pilot - the skydiver here is the guy who screwed up - the pilot was doing touch and goes the skydiver dropped in front of him as the plane had ended his takeoff roll.  See and be seen is one of the most important things a pilot does.  A skydiver landing on a runway is not one of those things that you really expect though. The skydiver has control of where he lands.

Pretty much ruined a nicely restored old Cessna.


I'm a skydiver and a pilot and a rocket surgeon and I have a question.  Which one was in the air trying to safely land on the ground?  Which one was very recently on the ground and made to decision to take to the air when it wasn't clear to do so? THat makes the answer pretty clear.  And the fact that a ground photographer had time to see this occurring and get the sequence of photos tell me this was obvious. It should have been to that pilot as well.   The skydiver has the right of way,  effectively being a glider when under canopy - and has just as much right to the runway as any other user.   WHile it's good to avoid runways when parachuting to avoid conflict, winds and circumstances sometimes make that difficult.

/It's better to be down here wishing you were up there, than up there wishing you were down here.
 
2014-03-09 12:00:06 AM
Those scenes are the reason why words like fustercluck exist.
 
2014-03-09 12:00:32 AM

enemy of the state: If the pilot was doing touch and goes, then I'd say the skydiver was at fault. That's like stepping in to the middle of a busy street.


Eh, no.  They are both authorized users of the airspace.  That's like a motorcyclist being on a busy street and getting side swiped by an old man in a Cadillac.
 
2014-03-09 12:33:48 AM
It's a different kind of flying altogether
 
2014-03-09 04:22:02 AM
Airbus / Scarebus continues its ritual un-prosecuted pre-meditated killing of passengers world wide. From forcing tsunami destroyed countries to buy Scarebus to get aid, to failing the A380 150% wing-loading test, Scarebus builds on its reputation for falling out of the sky. FL35, cruise and it "breaks up". Nice. Good planes.
 
2014-03-09 08:10:25 AM
It's going to be on Today this sunday AM in a few minutes, can't wait to see the story.

My take, small uncontrolled grass strip. There's no tower at most small airports in the US. It's not economically feasible. Pilot already doing touch & go's so he's already in motion, not like being cleared to take off or land and already "in Control" of the "Active Runway". Don't know which area of the field the skydiver was supposed to land maybe he was off target. Old Cessna 140 taildragger, nice, likely only doing 40-50 mph tops, you can see the flaps down. You're extremely focused on touch & go's this guy just dropped down right in front of him. I'm thinking the Cessna was where he was supposed to be and the Skydiver had to be the one coming down where he wasn't supposed to be.
 
2014-03-09 09:37:39 AM
Why the fark is an 87-year-old flying a farking plane. He probably shouldn't even drive a car.
 
2014-03-09 04:54:52 PM
I hope they can get healthcare.
 
2014-03-09 05:35:45 PM
the jumpers are announced on the airport frequency for all to hear, probably a unicom one on this one.
i know more about the airport jumpers 6 miles away than a car going down my street
 
2014-03-10 09:31:09 AM
'Chutes and Landers?
 
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