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(New York Daily News)   Tennessee pastor sets up website for disgruntled waitstaff to share stories about how Christians are terrible tippers who don't leave the proper 20% minimum   (nydailynews.com) divider line 106
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2014-03-08 08:25:35 PM
15 votes:
Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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2014-03-08 08:32:16 PM
12 votes:
Doesn't surprise me that so-called "Christians" turn out to be lousy tippers.  People who are well-adjusted, considerate, mindful of their social contract with the rest of society, and are respectful to others on a consistent basis -- those people have no use for church.

OTOH, those who skirt societal obligations for a quick buck, like these lousy tippers, need church desperately -- it gives them an avenue to pretend they're not guilty.  If I go to church every week, that somehow will make up for all the shiat I dish out the rest of the time.
2014-03-08 08:24:05 PM
8 votes:
Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.
2014-03-08 08:34:36 PM
7 votes:
I really don't get this mentality. I mean, hell, if you're going to the same place after church each Sunday why wouldn't you tip at least OK out of pure freaking self interest?

A good part of my extended family goes out to eat every Sunday morning, up to half coming from Mass. There will be between 4 and 12 people, and even though a 10% coupon is always used there's a table space ready, service is speedy, and if I show up as everyone's finished because I'm driving an hour in and the roads suck, the waitress always triple checks that I'm sure I don't want to eat there and I really want a to go order... Even though it's packed and we'd be taking up the table for another half hour.

Not trying to sound naive but Jesus*, how can you be do goddamn sure of your self righteousness to screw over wait staff and have the balls to keep coming back and biatch about service?

Then again, my family talks to the staff/owners enough to ask how, say, the waitress's dad is recovering from surgery. Harder to screw someone when you talk to them and know they're humans. I guess.

* and Jesus still wouldn't approve you prosperity gospel motherf--kers
2014-03-08 08:29:48 PM
7 votes:
Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars
2014-03-08 05:56:02 PM
7 votes:
"I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?
2014-03-08 08:50:43 PM
6 votes:

30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.


Maybe you should wait tables then and make those sweet tips. And if you ain't got no money take your broke ass home.
2014-03-08 09:55:21 PM
5 votes:
Can't do the math on 15%? Flippin' 'eck!

Just do 10% then take half of that and add it to itself.

Ex: $23.74 -> 10% is $2.37, half of that is (approx) $1.18, added together is $3.56.

As an adult, you should be able to do simple math in your head.
2014-03-08 09:14:04 PM
4 votes:
If servers don't make minimum wage through tips, the employer has to pay the full federal mandated minimum wage.  No questions, they have to pay.  So, if no one ever tipped any server, the server would make as much as the guy at McDonald's.  Now, servers do work harder than the guy at the McDonald's, usually, but let's not pretend that they are only making $2 an hour.  Many servers are only worth minimum wage so the exception that a tip is required in every seating is BS.
2014-03-08 09:11:20 PM
4 votes:

JohnnyC: I've always looked at it as a performance. The server is supposed to inform me, serve me, entertain me, and make sure I'm satisfied and pleased with what I've received. They're also supposed to be my liaison to the kitchen staff. I can't talk to the chef... they are doing it for me. So if a server wants to make decent money, he/she needs to impress me with good service. If restaurants just paid workers a flat wage, I doubt we would ever come across an excellent server... just mediocre ones.


I've had plenty of great servers in Europe, where service is included in the bill and tipping really isn't done.  I've also had really shiatty service in the US, where there's supposedly this big incentive to be great or you don't get paid.

People will generally do their job to the best of their abilities regardless of dangled incentives.  People actually do their jobs best when they're happy in their workplace and not worried about doing well enough that day to be able to eat that night.
2014-03-08 08:56:36 PM
4 votes:

DemonEater: Tipping in a restaurant is required because of the amount the waitstaff is paid. Minimum wage in tipped jobs is a little over $2 in most states. If every customer thought as you do, a waiter would make less than $90 before taxes for his 40 hour week. If they made regular minimum wage, then yes, tipping would be for exceptional service.


Fine, then the restaurant should be required to place a sign at the entrance that says "We only pay our waitstaff $2/hr so you are expected to tip to make up for our cheapness".
2014-03-08 08:52:18 PM
4 votes:

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


Sweet keep the 20, kids on both side of you, and you said hot water w no lemon and some spit.Btw I forgot to put in your order and probly won't put it in until the next 4 tables leave. I don't like your face and wish you would just leave. Oh from now on I am going to abide by one rule you gave me. I will not talk to you anymore.
2014-03-08 08:48:54 PM
4 votes:
The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.
2014-03-08 08:34:35 PM
4 votes:

rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Or you did what grandfather did and pay his workers a decent wage and had a stated no tipping policy in the menu. He had many loyal employees for the decades the place was open in an area with many other places to eat.

Why should some employees get to rake in tips while other members of the staff don't?

I'm sure the landscapers at hotels or the janitors who don't to rooms work hard too why don't they get tips?

Other civilized countries have good wages and a stated service charge. Tips are for special occasions. In many of these counties tips are refused or not expected...because they're just doing their jobs.
2014-03-08 08:29:22 PM
4 votes:

Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.


That's... GENIUS!  You should write a book so that people in depressed areas with no other jobs can go get one and stop being poor!  Truly, a visionary, you is.

blipponaut: Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.


And that.  How about just giving people living wages.  Not making millionaires or anything, just something better than 'supplement your income here with food stamps'.  Frankly, it's enlightened self-interest.  Better pay gets you better attitude, better attitude gets you better performance.
2014-03-08 11:15:26 PM
3 votes:
I actually tipped over 20% at a buffet today... why?  Because when service is awesome they deserve it.  The lady was on top of our drinks like clockwork, super friendly, really working hard and when I noticed they were out of my favorite dish on the buffet, they actually made me and my husband up a fresh hot plate (super hot out of the oven) and brought it right to our table before they put any out on the buffet for others to take! (and didn't even charge us extra because the place sells plates of food as well off a menu) Now *THAT* is what I call service!  If they've worked for it, they deserve a good tip, don't be cheap!
2014-03-08 09:25:39 PM
3 votes:
In California, Washington, Oregon, and Nevada, tipped workers make minimum wage (or close to it) in addition to tips. Yet we still get the "OMG you have to tip 20% or else the poor waiters will starve" argument.  http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm  for more info. 

I tip because it's socially accepted, but I'd much rather just pay a flat fee like I do at other restaurants. Until all the self-righteous waiters start fighting for the rights of the rest of the staff and other minimum-wage food jobs that DON'T get tips, I'll continue to call them self-righteous.
2014-03-08 08:59:22 PM
3 votes:

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


Except that:
a) Nobody is motivated by "working for" an arsehole.
b) With your attitude and generally unreasonable demands, you're still  grossly undertipping.

/Not a waiter
//appreciates a good waiter
2014-03-08 08:39:43 PM
3 votes:

Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?


Because restaurant owners are cheap bastards, and claim that they can't pay their servers more, and besides, people leave tips, so that makes it OK.  Or something?  It's a load of horseshiat, really.  The owners don't want to pay their employees a truly fair wage, and have to raise prices to match.  Since nearly every restaurant does it, it's kind of ingrained into the system.  So long as big business can lobby congress (lobby, not bribe, mind.  That's 'different'), it won't change.
2014-03-08 08:28:06 PM
3 votes:
When did the minimum become 20%?
2014-03-08 08:24:01 PM
3 votes:
if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.
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2014-03-08 08:07:09 PM
3 votes:
So Christians think of tithing is "tipping" god?
2014-03-09 03:30:53 AM
2 votes:

Gdalescrboz: It's ridiculous if I don't pay the staffs salary I'm the cheap piece of shiat. That's liberals for ya though, make the choice to work at a place that pays below minimum wage then pass responsibility/consequences of said choice on to someone else.


Funny, I always thought that setting the system up to screw the workers and save the company and owners money sounded like a conservative ideal.  Meanwhile liberals are the ones pushing for these places to actually PAY a living wage so we don't HAVE to tip to make it up.

Try not being a partisan twatwaffle in every aspect of life.
2014-03-08 11:15:35 PM
2 votes:

Roja Herring: Well then let me be the first to say I hope your life improves to the point where you can begin to feel and display empathy and compassion for your fellow human being.  Good luck and best wishes.


No...you're right.  I know I was being sarcastic, but what you said is exactly the point.

It works both ways.  This whole article was about a church saying that not all Christians are douches and they wanted to apologize for the way other's have acted.  Waiters, Christians, Cyclists, Republicans, and Democrats are all douches sometime. We all think we're right and f anyone else who doesn't agree with us.

Everyone spends so much time fighting for their right to perfect service or their right to their hand in the customer's wallet that this has all devolved into a set of rules and regulations.

God called the church to be generous and servers are supposed to serve and if both parties do their general job it will all wind up okay.  Sure, some wine-o will take church money and buy booze and some tables won't tip as much as other, but unless you are a terrible waiter or work at a poorly setup restaurant we don't need laws to fix all this. Just everyone be decent human beings or stay home.
2014-03-08 11:02:05 PM
2 votes:
some posters on this thread should really eat at home -

I'd would like to thank those of you who profess to be "non-tippers" - it is causing many establishments in tourist-centric cities to add the tip onto the bill for you (and, yes, it is 20%)

you go on with your bad non-tipping self - owners still have to meet a minimum wage, by law

if you are really twisting on the tines, just ask your server (not that you will, of course) - you might discover that s/he is waiting tables by shifts to pay for tuition to qualify for that "not this job" job

.Too many of the posts here read like "Lord of the Manor" fantasies.....
2014-03-08 09:53:11 PM
2 votes:
i believe in over tipping.

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knowing that most wait staff make less than a living wage with their hourly rate, it is only right to tip.

if you can't afford to tip, or are too cheap to tip, you can get a box of mac and cheese for a buck at the grocery store.
take your cheap ass home you farking losers.
2014-03-08 09:43:36 PM
2 votes:
This is how I, a single adult, view tipping standards.

When a married couple with pre-teen children in the home go out for a dinner it is usually a special occasion that requires advance planning and a sitter. It is unlikely they'll be dining out more than a couple of times per month -- they get the 15% tipping rate.

Single people that dine out a lot and invariably have more than a couple of drinks, people that know both the menu and the staff, pay the 20%.

Single guys on a date pay 20+% because they shouldn't look cheap. If, after several dates they begin to drop the tip amount, a smart woman should run away.

I'm 66-years-old, retired with my home paid for. I enjoy tipping in a higher end of the scale. I have, on occasion, bought a round of drinks for people I don't know at another table. I think of it like tipping -- something I like to do.
2014-03-08 09:18:42 PM
2 votes:

DemonEater: BafflerMeal: It doesn't goto the business.

It's subsidizing the restaurant's labor costs, though.

If you don't tip, the restaurant has to pay the waiter $7.25 (or whatever the local untipped minimum wage is).  Since tipping is expected, the restaurant can save about $5/hour per waiter, which could be a couple thousand a week easy.


Combine that with "right to work" laws (which are Republican-speak for "right to fire for any reason") and the notion that a waiter who doesn't get enough tips to save the restaurant that money must be delivering poor customer service, restaurants won't pay $7.25 when they can get someone else.
2014-03-08 09:14:26 PM
2 votes:

Nhojwolfe: another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.

Sweet keep the 20, kids on both side of you, and you said hot water w no lemon and some spit.Btw I forgot to put in your order and probly won't put it in until the next 4 tables leave. I don't like your face and wish you would just leave. Oh from now on I am going to abide by one rule you gave me. I will not talk to you anymore.


Pretty much. No refills, poor service, delayed orders, wrong sides, extra loud kids, dismissive of your choices ("Oh don't say that sir, I can tell you would like to see the desert menu" to a fat guy), and just general incompetence all at the cost of $20. As a former server, that's a farking bargain.

No health code violations, because those have consequences. But all kinds of passive-aggressive horsecrap would be worth it for that price.
2014-03-08 09:11:04 PM
2 votes:

Nhojwolfe: another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.

Sweet keep the 20, kids on both side of you, and you said hot water w no lemon and some spit.Btw I forgot to put in your order and probly won't put it in until the next 4 tables leave. I don't like your face and wish you would just leave. Oh from now on I am going to abide by one rule you gave me. I will not talk to you anymore.


Yeah, that guys sounds like a dick. Also, how can one enjoy their meal if they are just watching a stop watch like that? I go out to enjoy food and converse. Not put someone to boot camp.
2014-03-08 09:09:46 PM
2 votes:

Hypergreatthing: somemoron: Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.

That's... GENIUS!  You should write a book so that people in depressed areas with no other jobs can go get one and stop being poor!  Truly, a visionary, you is.

Tell ya what.  If someone told me to work for free (or practically free) and every now and then if i do a good job i could get some money, i would flat out refuse them.

Somehow waiters/waitresses only work in depressed areas?

McDonalds pays min wage, so does walmart.  If people want to get a waiter/waitress job just because they *can* make a lot of money if they get good tips, that's called gambling.  You sometimes win and you sometimes lose.  Don't get all angry with someone because they're not generous.  If 20% tips are required, then put it on the bill otherwise don't complain.  No one is entitled to receive a person's charity regardless of what boo-hoo reasons this exists to begin with.


Sounds like you should invest in a sack of charcoal briquettes and shove 'em up your ass because it's so tight you'd have a fortune in diamonds in a week.
2014-03-08 09:08:18 PM
2 votes:
I know this thread had already gone into full tipping outrage mode, but just wanted to comment, in case anyone had read TFA, that this is an incredibly nice thing this pastor is doing for these waiters and also in telling Christians "don't be dicks."

We now return you to your tipping-related ITGing already in progress.
2014-03-08 09:00:22 PM
2 votes:
My guess to tipping being acceptable is because most restaurants are small businesses in a volitile industry.  Tipping is a kind of subsidy.
2014-03-08 08:56:36 PM
2 votes:

DemonEater: Ex-Texan: T a lot of these "restaurants" now, you're expected to tip even if you order the food to go. When did this happen? If it's too much to expect them to "do their job", why bother? I thought tipping was an addition for "exceptional" service.When did it become De Rigeur for just doing your job? Next you know, you'll be "expected" to tip for buying gas for your car.

Tipping in a restaurant is required because of the amount the waitstaff is paid.  Minimum wage in tipped jobs is a little over $2 in most states.  If every customer thought as you do, a waiter would make less than $90 before taxes for his 40 hour week.  If they made regular minimum wage, then yes, tipping would be for exceptional service.

Because the various state legislatures and the restaurants have both decided not to pay waitstaff appropriate wages, it is incumbent on the customers to make up that difference.  Basically, look at it this way - the price on the menu is the price for the ingredients, the chef's wages, and the building's lease and utility bills.  It does not include the labour cost of the waitstaff - that's a hidden cost of eating out that they leave out to make their prices look lower.


If it's required, put it on the bill.  If it's not on the bill then it's not required Period.
2014-03-08 08:54:23 PM
2 votes:

Ex-Texan: T a lot of these "restaurants" now, you're expected to tip even if you order the food to go. When did this happen? If it's too much to expect them to "do their job", why bother? I thought tipping was an addition for "exceptional" service.When did it become De Rigeur for just doing your job? Next you know, you'll be "expected" to tip for buying gas for your car.


Tipping in a restaurant is required because of the amount the waitstaff is paid.  Minimum wage in tipped jobs is a little over $2 in most states.  If every customer thought as you do, a waiter would make less than $90 before taxes for his 40 hour week.  If they made regular minimum wage, then yes, tipping would be for exceptional service.

Because the various state legislatures and the restaurants have both decided not to pay waitstaff appropriate wages, it is incumbent on the customers to make up that difference.  Basically, look at it this way - the price on the menu is the price for the ingredients, the chef's wages, and the building's lease and utility bills.  It does not include the labour cost of the waitstaff - that's a hidden cost of eating out that they leave out to make their prices look lower.
2014-03-08 08:53:39 PM
2 votes:
Tipping threads are starting to keep me from eating out with my family.  I can afford the tip, I just dont think the farking waitstaff deserve 20%.  There is not a single farking thing that they do that I can see that would earn them 20% of a $50-$100 meal.  Refill my drinks once?  Carry food from point A to point B?  Bring me my check and just leave it on the table at some point?  fark you.  fark the waitstaff.  Sorry you got a shiatty job that is another in a long line of historically screwing over their employees but there is still 1 and only 1 reason people pay 20%+ of their tab to some guy bringing them food.  FEAR.  If I have to be afraid then fark that, i'll happily spend my hundred bux someplace that I dont have to worry about a disgruntled college drop out pissing in my over priced ice tea because I only tipped 10% instead of 30%.

Tipping should be illegal, punishment, getting shiat on by a an elephant.
2014-03-08 08:53:06 PM
2 votes:
I actually enjoy tipping for good service, the thought that this person can maybe have something nice on you is fulfilling. When I was younger I used to tip really high 40%+ because I just had the extra money and no real bills but nowadays I usually do 20-25%.
2014-03-08 08:50:44 PM
2 votes:

somemoron: Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.

That's... GENIUS!  You should write a book so that people in depressed areas with no other jobs can go get one and stop being poor!  Truly, a visionary, you is.


Tell ya what.  If someone told me to work for free (or practically free) and every now and then if i do a good job i could get some money, i would flat out refuse them.

Somehow waiters/waitresses only work in depressed areas?

McDonalds pays min wage, so does walmart.  If people want to get a waiter/waitress job just because they *can* make a lot of money if they get good tips, that's called gambling.  You sometimes win and you sometimes lose.  Don't get all angry with someone because they're not generous.  If 20% tips are required, then put it on the bill otherwise don't complain.  No one is entitled to receive a person's charity regardless of what boo-hoo reasons this exists to begin with.
2014-03-08 08:50:37 PM
2 votes:
I'll tip well 25%+ if the service is outstanding.
I will tip 15% for average service.
I will tip less than 10% for inadequate service.

I have been there before and know how tips makes or breaks making it through the next day.

What a piss poor excuse to not tip. Not holy at all.
2014-03-08 08:48:26 PM
2 votes:
T a lot of these "restaurants" now, you're expected to tip even if you order the food to go. When did this happen? If it's too much to expect them to "do their job", why bother? I thought tipping was an addition for "exceptional" service.When did it become De Rigeur for just doing your job? Next you know, you'll be "expected" to tip for buying gas for your car.
2014-03-08 08:46:41 PM
2 votes:
Normally I give 20% starting. 10% tip is for the ones that piss me off. There was a steak house I gave 45% because the waiter was just that awesome.
2014-03-08 08:35:49 PM
2 votes:
My cousin tels me stories of when he was a waiter at a fairly nice restaurant in Texas, where the older guys would come in for coffee and breakfast daily, and he felt the pervasive attitude was since hey came almost every day, that somehow exempted them from tipping a decent amount. His bils did not decrease, though. He did not hate the job, but he grew to.
We finally got an Applebees in our village, and I swear, it's as if there is one waitstaff per table. Now it's a pain in the ass to go there. But we don't have much in this village. There's a Chili's too, but nough of the "McFood". I just eat at home mostly.
2014-03-08 08:33:40 PM
2 votes:
I tip and tip well usually as long as I get acceptable service.  Tipping is optional and you are not entitled to it.  If you're paid practically nothing by the business you work for that's on them and the laws that allow them to do it and not the customer.
2014-03-08 08:32:44 PM
2 votes:

rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.
2014-03-08 08:29:00 PM
2 votes:
So they only want the high tippers, and none of the low tippers. The problem with that attitude is, once you get rid of the low tippers, the next lowest tippers become the new low tippers and you're right back where you started.

Either you make enough overall, or you don't. Whining that half of the people are below average gets you nowhere.
2014-03-08 08:26:37 PM
2 votes:
"I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Well, for starters, god doesn't pay taxes, and has a helluva lot more people tipping despite the shiatty service or lack thereof
2014-03-08 06:02:17 PM
2 votes:
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2014-03-09 11:33:43 AM
1 votes:
Once again, he hero tag means squat here.

Ps; if you rely on tips to survive, your doing life wrong.
2014-03-09 09:18:30 AM
1 votes:
For the Xtians who pull the 10% to God thing, you don't give 18% or 20% of your INCOME as tips, dumbass.  You're giving a percent of your actual bill.  The percentage of your income that goes to tips per year is probably miniscule.  If you're spending your ENTIRE INCOME on dining out and therefore 18-20% on tips then you might have to re-think all of your budgeting.

Stop being a cheap, entitled jerk and pay for your service.


/not a server and don't work for tips, but have employed many of them and seen/heard it all
2014-03-09 09:07:06 AM
1 votes:

Stuart Wolfe: Although my parents taught me a trick when I was a teenager: always keep a penny in your wallet for the rare occasion when your waiter is completely incompetent - because if they do a terrible job and you leave nothing, they can just assume that you forgot the tip, but placing a penny on the table is a neat way to tell them they were terrible.


You know what's an even better way to let them know? Simply write "no tip, terrible service" on your bill. But the best way, they way that will really have the most and best impact, is to speak with the hostess (or Maitre' D, or manager) on your way out and tell them that your service was terrible, and give the tip to them with the instructions that it be given to the kitchen staff (assuming the food was good. If the food and service were both terrible, don't bother).

That way, the shiatty server gets what he deserves - both on the way of a tip as well as the necessity of explaining it to his boss - and the people running the place know that you're not one of those jerkoffs who stiffs the staff. It also allows for the unlikely  possibility that the server might have a damned good reason for whatever actually happened that you don't know, and will still be able get some portion of that tip (if appropriate) when he is forced to explain it all to the boss.
2014-03-09 07:40:06 AM
1 votes:

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


You're a pretty unbearable person, aren't you.
2014-03-09 07:39:58 AM
1 votes:

somemoron: And that. How about just giving people living wages. Not making millionaires or anything, just something better than 'supplement your income here with food stamps'. Frankly, it's enlightened self-interest. Better pay gets you better attitude, better attitude gets you better performance.


B-b-b-but think of those poor stockholders. You don't want them to get their dividends?
They work so hard all day, pushing those stacks of paper and wielding those extremely heavy pens to sign their names,  Such hard work,
2014-03-09 07:00:56 AM
1 votes:
If you think you're entitled to some overinflated tip scale simply because you chose to be a waiter/waitress, you really need to reflect on where your life went wrong.

Don't like relying on tips?  Get a different job.

/ worked at Chi-Chi's for 4 months and moved on. Maybe you should too.
2014-03-09 03:32:40 AM
1 votes:
I don't go out to eat all that often anymore because the job situation in Ohio sucks. There are more restaurants than any other business around here, and they all employ college/high school students who really don't want to work in the food service industry -- and to be quite honest, I can't say I blame them. But they have no real choice.

Unfortunately, because their heart isn't into it, and they're generally pretty farking unhappy and depressed, it shows in their work. They're extremely obvious with faking nice. They try to get you out the door within 30 seconds of your main course hitting your table. You aren't even finished putting your napkin on your lap before they're asking you if you want a box to take your food home in. If they aren't hovering around your table like a vulture putting pressure on you to leave, then they're straight up ignoring you. I eat my food leisurely at a restaurant so I can appreciate the company at my table, so if my glass is empty for most of the conversation, and I end up having to flag another waiter/waitress down to fill my order, my current server isn't going to get a very big tip.

It's gotten to the point where I've had so many bad experiences, that I'm getting tired of biatching to management about how shiatty their staff is (and this is at multiple restaurants), and I don't consider myself an unreasonable customer. I don't make any unusual demands. I don't try to haggle, I don't ask a million questions, I don't ever ask how much longer my food will be. I remain as polite as a guest should be expected to be.

But if that respect isn't returned (over and over again, it seems), then I really have no desire to go out to eat anymore. I just cook my own food or I order a pizza -- the delivery drivers are usually way more polite (depending on the establishment), and I give them a decent tip each time they show up to my doorstep.

But if I go to another city, like New York City, or L.A., Orlando, or what have you... the staff there are nothing but polite and go out of their way to make sure your stay at their eating establishment was a nice one and will comp you on things I never would have expected to be comped before. I know my food arrived 10 minutes later than the waiter said it should have been, and knocked off 10% off my bill.

That kind of shiat never happens in Ohio. If you wait 10 minutes longer than you should have, not only would your waiter not say anything, but even if you asked they'd tell you to get over it.
2014-03-09 12:56:58 AM
1 votes:
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2014-03-09 12:46:26 AM
1 votes:

vitamink619: The basic tip has always been 15% for me.  I'm usually more in the 20% range (even if money is tight,) as long as the server actually acts likes they give a shiat and stop by my table more than once.  I've rarely had terrible service from waitstaff in general, but the few times I have I still left something.


EXACTLY.  You want good service?  Act like a decent human being and treat your server with respect.  If they are really bad, that's a reflection on the owner and you should punish him by not giving him your business.

I've seen it over and over again.  The first couple of times you get the canned server performance.  After a few visits though, their attitude changes.  They recognize you, they know you aren't going to walk out on a tab or grab their ass or any of the stupid crap customers do.  They're friendlier, they anticipate your order, they throw in the occasional freebie.  In the end you get far better service than you would by leaving a penny as a tip.
2014-03-09 12:41:12 AM
1 votes:
In that tip-free restaurant article I posted above, there was an interesting effect that the owner noticed.  Many of the customers were offended at not being able to tip because they thought it was their right to punish the servers.  Some of the behavior went far beyond merely punishing bad service.  He talks about customers who were openly abusive to the staff, who deliberately nit-picked everything about their experience so that they could get out of tipping (or get a free meal), and who simply wanted to take out their frustrations on someone they considered lessers.  Without tipping, they lost that power and it enraged them.  The owner talks about one food blogger who called out a server by name on her blog.  When the owner told her he thought that was inappropriate, she responded that it was the only way she had to punish the server since she couldn't tip.

The kicker is that the punishment rarely works.  For every douchebag who leaves a penny, you have someone like me who naturally overtips so that it all evens out in the long run.  Unless you're just such a prick that you leave a lasting impression, the server probably isn't even going to remember you by the end of the day.
2014-03-09 12:34:12 AM
1 votes:

parasol: farking_texan: 

"you are not to speak to me" who the FARK do you think you are?  Stay home in your castle, King Socializer.

I assumed this was farce - $35 for two - with an up-front $20 tip?
afterwards do we fill the good crystal with Thunderbird and toast our penny-stock performance?


You assume that this dude actually intends to give a server $20 at some point.  He does not.
2014-03-09 12:30:15 AM
1 votes:

rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.


I have a moral objection to the gratuity system, but I tip well. Actually left the jimmy John's guy a twenty for a larger delivery, even though he probably drove all of three minutes to get to us. I figure that'll get sandwiches to the L and D unit really fast though.

But yeah, people should just have a canned living wage and benefits, and my bill should have taxes and that's it. Under that system, if you want to reward servers, stop by the manager and say that you had a great experience and will come back because of so and so's service. Or have comment cards. That way managers can figure out who their stars are and move them up, nobody has to grovel, nobody has to feel guilty for only leaving eighteen percent (cuz some farking asses here seem to always suggest twenty five now. Really?), and everybody has a good time and stable job. I'll gladly pay six dollars for my five dollar burger to get that.

/did give a twenty five percent tip today, but it was a small bill in a cheaper place and I considered the time he spent with us and the patience with the kids he had. Otherwise fifteen if the dishes were expensive but we didn't take up much time at the table, and eighteen to twenty in typical situations.
2014-03-09 12:25:15 AM
1 votes:
There are a lot of cheap ass people in this thread.
2014-03-09 12:20:24 AM
1 votes:

The Southern Dandy: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.



If you intend to give me inadequate service or spit in my food because I don't tip, then you have to tell me before I'm seated.  That way I can spend my money somewhere else.


You are aware that if you don't tip, you're costing the server money?

I don't think anyone would feel bad if the they don't have the pleasure of working for you.
2014-03-09 12:19:17 AM
1 votes:
My goal reguarding tipping is to tip enough so that the next time i order, there's a fist fight between servers on who gets to bring me my food. And that no matter who's working, they all want to help me if there's an issue with anything. Works out very well.
2014-03-09 12:03:58 AM
1 votes:

thaduke: proper 20% minimum

Subby sounds poor and cheap.  The  proper minimum now is $30 or 30%, whichever is greater.  If you can't afford it, best stay home and eat Ramen.


When I waited tables I hated serving old people.  They never gave decent tips.  Now I know why.

When I waited 15% was expected/average and 20% was a good tip.  I've long quit waiting and usually tip 20% unless the service is sub-par for 15%.  In my head 20% is generous.  Why the time I'm 70, 20% will be an insult to the wait staff.


This realization has be believing that the whole tipping culture of the US needs to go away.  Give wait staff a decent wage and include the wage in the price of the food.
2014-03-08 11:47:25 PM
1 votes:

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


I wouldn't say a word to you.  I would go to the manager and tell him or her that you have already been openly hostile to me and I refuse to serve you.  The manager, being someone that I work with on a daily basis and have a good working relationship with, would agree with me and then would ask you to repeat what you said to me.  After hearing your asshole rant, he or she would ask you to leave the restaurant.

"you are not to speak to me" who the FARK do you think you are?  Stay home in your castle, King Socializer.
2014-03-08 11:15:06 PM
1 votes:

Stuart Wolfe: BGates: Min tip is 0% not 20%.

You're an over compensating douche if you think you need to tip 20% minimum.

Do a good job and you'll get a tip.  Do a terrible job and you'll not.  Not that hard to figure out.  Don't want to work for tips, then get a different job.

This.

Although my parents taught me a trick when I was a teenager: always keep a penny in your wallet for the rare occasion when your waiter is completely incompetent - because if they do a terrible job and you leave nothing, they can just assume that you forgot the tip, but placing a penny on the table is a neat way to tell them they were terrible. And I've done that maybe three times in my life to waiters who were so bad I made it a mental note to never eat at that particular restaurant for a few years.

BTW, I'm a pretty generous tipper the rest of the time. These guys work hard and deserve it IMHO.


My then-boyfriend-now-spouse who once worked for tips (valet parking) taught me a trick, too
When given a tip that consisted of change (generally Canadian/European tourists) he would smile sweetly and return it saying: "I guess you need this more than I"

The trick your parents taught you was passive cruelty
2014-03-08 11:08:09 PM
1 votes:
IIRC that's a Republican Congress and a Democrat President, though the amount of wheeling and dealing involved in a minimum wage hike (as opposed to a congressional pay hike that is automatic) makes that almost meaningless.

That's because increasing minimum wage does not somehow "magically" give a restaurant more money. They will cut somewhere. There is a margin that will be maintained and if you increase the wage the restaurant gives its servers, they will put less servers on the floor (or cut some other quality related item) and the waiter will wind up with less money.  You can slice that argument a billion ways, but the money is going to come from ANYWHERE other than the employer's actual pocket.

Minimum wage arguments are not about the poor minimum wage worker. They're about union contracts which are tied to the minimum wage.  (See the WSJ)

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142412788732404890457831854 1 000422454

It has nothing to do with the poor poor pitiful poor, but has everything to do with unions which can be pursueded to vote en masse to whoever gives them the handout (in this case their salary as a multiplier of the minimum wage).
2014-03-08 11:05:54 PM
1 votes:

mudmin: That's a super dick move.  Could be the worst day of a peron's life and that penny might just be the thing to push them over the edge.  As long as you feel  better about yourself with the neat trick to tell some one you don't approve everything is cool though.

Waiters should also realize that not getting a refill on my Diet Coke might be the thing to push me over the edge. Maybe I was just trying to have a nice dinner and contemplate life.  It's cool though. They got their third smoke break this hour. We're good.


Well then let me be the first to say I hope your life improves to the point where you can begin to feel and display empathy and compassion for your fellow human being.  Good luck and best wishes.
2014-03-08 10:57:45 PM
1 votes:
That's a super dick move.  Could be the worst day of a peron's life and that penny might just be the thing to push them over the edge.  As long as you feel  better about yourself with the neat trick to tell some one you don't approve everything is cool though.

Waiters should also realize that not getting a refill on my Diet Coke might be the thing to push me over the edge. Maybe I was just trying to have a nice dinner and contemplate life.  It's cool though. They got their third smoke break this hour. We're good.
2014-03-08 10:57:12 PM
1 votes:

mudmin: trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 402x337]

God and Tipping. If we could work cyclists into the discussion we'd have a trifecta of hate.


I know another way

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2014-03-08 10:36:04 PM
1 votes:

trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 402x337]


God and Tipping. If we could work cyclists into the discussion we'd have a trifecta of hate.
2014-03-08 10:35:30 PM
1 votes:

Texmaniac: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

I call bullshiat.....i dont have to tip. Its a courtesy, the server however STILL has to do their job....which is to take my order and bring it to the table. The problem is the pay system for the waitstaff....the restaurant should up the pay.

I tip generously and always try and call them by their name. But dont tell my to stay home if i cant tip.
My choice biatch.


Being an asshole is always a choice, but it's the choice only an asshole would make.
2014-03-08 10:28:44 PM
1 votes:
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2014-03-08 10:20:19 PM
1 votes:

mudmin: Dwindle: mudmin:

Since when is every single job on planet earth worthy of a "living wage."  Aren't there some jobs that are just good for high schoolers and college kids and people who are supplementing household income?  I'm not opposed to tipping (I tip well), but it's not my job to fix all your life's decisions.

Tell them that when you arrive at the restaurant so you can serve them appropriately.
Hope your end customers get to determine your wage.

They should know that before they fill out the application.


Everyone's wothless but you.  You are a precious snowflake.
2014-03-08 10:02:52 PM
1 votes:

Bermuda59: I think everyone should work at least one job in their life that they are dependent on tips as part of their income.


compensation should depend on performance, no matter what the job is.
unfortunately, with unions, you can be the worst teacher or whatever in the world and you still keep your job and make that paper.
2014-03-08 09:58:03 PM
1 votes:

boredofedu: I see a total disconnect in this. You go to church on sunday and then go out to dinner? What ever happened to "Keep the Sabbath Day holy"? Is Sunday not the Sabbath?


That depends on who you ask. Generally speaking, if you're one of the five thousand Christian denominations that believe in that whole "keep the sabbath holy" thing, maybe you shouldn't go out to eat on the same day you go to church. I mean, people generally go to church on the sabbath, right?
2014-03-08 09:56:04 PM
1 votes:
Min tip is 0% not 20%.

You're an over compensating douche if you think you need to tip 20% minimum.

Do a good job and you'll get a tip.  Do a terrible job and you'll not.  Not that hard to figure out.  Don't want to work for tips, then get a different job.
2014-03-08 09:55:42 PM
1 votes:

Pincy: I understand that some professions depend on tips to get by.  But if you choose one of those professions and you get a non-tipper every once in a while, don't be a whiny asshat about it, that's just a risk you take when you work in a field that requires you to get tips to make a decent living.  If you can't deal with that risk then get a different job.


As per Pincy, no one is allowed to complain about their jobs ever.  So it has been said and so it must be done.
2014-03-08 09:54:07 PM
1 votes:

blipponaut: Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.


Observations from a Tipless Restaraunt
2014-03-08 09:44:52 PM
1 votes:

DemonEater: gadian: If servers don't make minimum wage through tips, the employer has to pay the full federal mandated minimum wage.  No questions, they have to pay.  So, if no one ever tipped any server, the server would make as much as the guy at McDonald's.  Now, servers do work harder than the guy at the McDonald's, usually, but let's not pretend that they are only making $2 an hour.  Many servers are only worth minimum wage so the exception that a tip is required in every seating is BS.

Yup, that's the law.

Talk to servers who've actually tried it, though.  See how many of them got grilled about why they didn't make enough tips, got moved to shiatty shifts, got their hours cut, got let go...


I'll never forget the manager's reaction when my friends and I covered our entire table in change, most of it quarters with eyes and a mouth in pennies, for our favorite waitress since we were all going off to college.  He offered her $5 for it so she wouldn't have to 'deal with it'.  I'm not saying we would have taken it back had she accepted, but thankfully we didn't have to since she wasn't an idiot.  That kind of a jerk move surprised us quite a bit though.
2014-03-08 09:42:58 PM
1 votes:
From the article:
Roberts said that his church members are planning to write out apologies to every single poster. They will also send a server a Food City gift card that can be used for groceries or gas.

A GIFT CARD?! The message received is, "Not all Christians are condescending assholes. And by the way, your lowly status in society means you can't be trusted with cash."
2014-03-08 09:40:00 PM
1 votes:

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


I would toss your ass out of the place for that.
2014-03-08 09:31:05 PM
1 votes:

Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.


God gets ten percent of your yearly income.
The waiter gets eighteen per cent of your lunch tab.

One thing is not like the other.

It's just different.
2014-03-08 09:24:04 PM
1 votes:
10% for bad service? where the fark are you eating that you already have a preset % for bad service?

also complaining about places that try and up sell you cheesesticks, try not going to bad chain restaurants.

and you not tipping isn't going to make restaurant owners suddenly rethink everything and start paying a living wage so just stop with that because you're only shorting the waitstaff.
2014-03-08 09:20:06 PM
1 votes:

gadian: If servers don't make minimum wage through tips, the employer has to pay the full federal mandated minimum wage.  No questions, they have to pay.  So, if no one ever tipped any server, the server would make as much as the guy at McDonald's.  Now, servers do work harder than the guy at the McDonald's, usually, but let's not pretend that they are only making $2 an hour.  Many servers are only worth minimum wage so the exception that a tip is required in every seating is BS.


Yup, that's the law.

Talk to servers who've actually tried it, though.  See how many of them got grilled about why they didn't make enough tips, got moved to shiatty shifts, got their hours cut, got let go...
2014-03-08 09:17:23 PM
1 votes:

Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.


My guess is you're one of the usual a-holes who complain about people being on welfare.
2014-03-08 09:16:34 PM
1 votes:
Even Dave Ramsey has railed about Christians not tipping and says that Christians should be generous towards others.   Heck they even have a code phrase for schmucks trying to get out of debt by working an extra job so those who are in better shape can slide them some extra tip money.

That being said, head waiters at snooty restaurants can clear $100,000/year, which is a lot of tips.
2014-03-08 09:10:02 PM
1 votes:
God doesn't exist surprisingly absent from this thread.
2014-03-08 09:06:44 PM
1 votes:

Roja Herring: My guess to tipping being acceptable is because most restaurants are small businesses in a volitile industry.  Tipping is a kind of subsidy.


I've always looked at it as a performance. The server is supposed to inform me, serve me, entertain me, and make sure I'm satisfied and pleased with what I've received. They're also supposed to be my liaison to the kitchen staff. I can't talk to the chef... they are doing it for me. So if a server wants to make decent money, he/she needs to impress me with good service. If restaurants just paid workers a flat wage, I doubt we would ever come across an excellent server... just mediocre ones.

The incentive just isn't there with a shiatty wage instead of the potential for decent tips. A really good server can make a pretty nice income in even a middle of the road restaurant.
2014-03-08 09:04:51 PM
1 votes:
I understand that some professions depend on tips to get by.  But if you choose one of those professions and you get a non-tipper every once in a while, don't be a whiny asshat about it, that's just a risk you take when you work in a field that requires you to get tips to make a decent living.  If you can't deal with that risk then get a different job.
2014-03-08 09:03:08 PM
1 votes:

Hypergreatthing: If it's required, put it on the bill. If it's not on the bill then it's not required Period.


I totally agree, the tipping thing in this country is idiotic and waitstaff should be paid a proper wage, like in proper countries.

But as things stand right now, that's the way eating out works.
2014-03-08 09:00:16 PM
1 votes:

He_Hate_Me: Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars


But since that will never happen, just go ahead and tip, you cheap sack of crap.
2014-03-08 08:56:40 PM
1 votes:

chitownmike: He_Hate_Me: Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars

Should they cut your food up for you too?


You're right, I should have to go into their kitchen and cook the food I want to eat, especially since I haven't been tipping the cook this whole time!
2014-03-08 08:56:20 PM
1 votes:
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2014-03-08 08:51:48 PM
1 votes:
Tipping was early 1900's trend where diners allowed the wait staff to keep the change to the next whole dollar as a treat for pleasant service.  The waitstaff realized they could make good money if they served more tables, which was usually good for the owner's bottom line as well. 100 years out, the whole tipping shiat is way too far out of farking control and threatens to collapse the free market any day now.
2014-03-08 08:47:22 PM
1 votes:

He_Hate_Me: Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars




Tipping is all about power. You either reward or penalize your waiter based on an arbitrary set of criteria that YOU get to decide.

Much like annual raise time at the office.
2014-03-08 08:42:20 PM
1 votes:

blipponaut: Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.


You're eating at the wrong restaurant hon.
2014-03-08 08:39:01 PM
1 votes:

umad: When did the minimum become 20%?


When I became a waiter, it was told me (and I stuck with the belief for years) that 20% was what you should tip. No I tip anywhere from 15% minimum to 20% but more often 15%. Anything more expected and it's just the server being greedy. If you turn over your tables fast enough on a busy night, fifteen percent is plenty.
2014-03-08 08:38:46 PM
1 votes:

Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?


I don't know the origins of it.

I just know I'm not going to screw over someone who's bringing me food, just to make a point about something they have no control over.
2014-03-08 08:38:02 PM
1 votes:

rustypouch: Tipping thread? I'll just leave this here.
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Is there a drive through at Applebee's where I can buy the food and not have to pay someone to give it to me?

I mean, I don't go into a grocery store and pay the cashier to ring up my groceries.

/Yeah, I'm just being a troll bait ass.
2014-03-08 08:36:36 PM
1 votes:

Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?


They figured the servers would be able to make up the difference in tips. In a good restaurant with customers who aren't walking pieces of garbage this is true. When you throw either a shiatty restaurant or farkhead customers into the mix the numbers don't add up anymore.
2014-03-08 08:35:29 PM
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Fluid: Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?


Assuming you're not in the U.S... "Minimum Wage" for waitstaff in the U.S. is like $2.30 an hour or so, forcing them to rely on tips to earn a living wage.  I do not know the history of that law.
2014-03-08 08:31:25 PM
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I think we should force Christians to read the Bible before they are allowed to get a driver's license or something.
2014-03-08 08:30:17 PM
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Oblig:

www.monologuedb.com
2014-03-08 08:28:54 PM
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rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.


I'd have no problem with that on the condition that if the food is tampered with in any way, the person that did the tampering rots in prison where they belong.
2014-03-08 08:28:45 PM
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Entitled assholes.
2014-03-08 08:20:13 PM
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Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?


Maybe because God only shells out for a horrible tasting cracker and a sip of cheap wine?
 
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