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(New York Daily News)   Tennessee pastor sets up website for disgruntled waitstaff to share stories about how Christians are terrible tippers who don't leave the proper 20% minimum   (nydailynews.com) divider line 342
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2014-03-08 05:56:02 PM  
"I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?
 
2014-03-08 06:02:17 PM  
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2014-03-08 08:07:09 PM  
So Christians think of tithing is "tipping" god?
 
2014-03-08 08:20:13 PM  

Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?


Maybe because God only shells out for a horrible tasting cracker and a sip of cheap wine?
 
2014-03-08 08:22:35 PM  

NFA: So Christians think of tithing is "tipping" god?


Well, he did create their entire universe. I think that's warrants 10%.
 
2014-03-08 08:24:01 PM  
if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.
 
2014-03-08 08:24:05 PM  
Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.
 
2014-03-08 08:25:04 PM  

Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?

 
2014-03-08 08:25:35 PM  
Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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2014-03-08 08:26:22 PM  

Torgo_of_Manos:


That is a class act right there!
 
2014-03-08 08:26:37 PM  
"I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Well, for starters, god doesn't pay taxes, and has a helluva lot more people tipping despite the shiatty service or lack thereof
 
2014-03-08 08:28:06 PM  
When did the minimum become 20%?
 
2014-03-08 08:28:45 PM  
Entitled assholes.
 
2014-03-08 08:28:54 PM  

rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.


I'd have no problem with that on the condition that if the food is tampered with in any way, the person that did the tampering rots in prison where they belong.
 
2014-03-08 08:29:00 PM  
So they only want the high tippers, and none of the low tippers. The problem with that attitude is, once you get rid of the low tippers, the next lowest tippers become the new low tippers and you're right back where you started.

Either you make enough overall, or you don't. Whining that half of the people are below average gets you nowhere.
 
2014-03-08 08:29:22 PM  

Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.


That's... GENIUS!  You should write a book so that people in depressed areas with no other jobs can go get one and stop being poor!  Truly, a visionary, you is.

blipponaut: Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.


And that.  How about just giving people living wages.  Not making millionaires or anything, just something better than 'supplement your income here with food stamps'.  Frankly, it's enlightened self-interest.  Better pay gets you better attitude, better attitude gets you better performance.
 
2014-03-08 08:29:24 PM  
proper 20% minimum

Subby sounds poor and cheap.  The  proper minimum now is $30 or 30%, whichever is greater.  If you can't afford it, best stay home and eat Ramen.
 
2014-03-08 08:29:48 PM  
Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars
 
2014-03-08 08:30:17 PM  
Oblig:

www.monologuedb.com
 
2014-03-08 08:31:25 PM  
I think we should force Christians to read the Bible before they are allowed to get a driver's license or something.
 
2014-03-08 08:31:47 PM  

rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?
 
2014-03-08 08:32:16 PM  
Doesn't surprise me that so-called "Christians" turn out to be lousy tippers.  People who are well-adjusted, considerate, mindful of their social contract with the rest of society, and are respectful to others on a consistent basis -- those people have no use for church.

OTOH, those who skirt societal obligations for a quick buck, like these lousy tippers, need church desperately -- it gives them an avenue to pretend they're not guilty.  If I go to church every week, that somehow will make up for all the shiat I dish out the rest of the time.
 
2014-03-08 08:32:44 PM  

rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.
 
2014-03-08 08:33:40 PM  
I tip and tip well usually as long as I get acceptable service.  Tipping is optional and you are not entitled to it.  If you're paid practically nothing by the business you work for that's on them and the laws that allow them to do it and not the customer.
 
2014-03-08 08:34:35 PM  

rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Or you did what grandfather did and pay his workers a decent wage and had a stated no tipping policy in the menu. He had many loyal employees for the decades the place was open in an area with many other places to eat.

Why should some employees get to rake in tips while other members of the staff don't?

I'm sure the landscapers at hotels or the janitors who don't to rooms work hard too why don't they get tips?

Other civilized countries have good wages and a stated service charge. Tips are for special occasions. In many of these counties tips are refused or not expected...because they're just doing their jobs.
 
2014-03-08 08:34:36 PM  
I really don't get this mentality. I mean, hell, if you're going to the same place after church each Sunday why wouldn't you tip at least OK out of pure freaking self interest?

A good part of my extended family goes out to eat every Sunday morning, up to half coming from Mass. There will be between 4 and 12 people, and even though a 10% coupon is always used there's a table space ready, service is speedy, and if I show up as everyone's finished because I'm driving an hour in and the roads suck, the waitress always triple checks that I'm sure I don't want to eat there and I really want a to go order... Even though it's packed and we'd be taking up the table for another half hour.

Not trying to sound naive but Jesus*, how can you be do goddamn sure of your self righteousness to screw over wait staff and have the balls to keep coming back and biatch about service?

Then again, my family talks to the staff/owners enough to ask how, say, the waitress's dad is recovering from surgery. Harder to screw someone when you talk to them and know they're humans. I guess.

* and Jesus still wouldn't approve you prosperity gospel motherf--kers
 
2014-03-08 08:35:29 PM  

Fluid: Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?


Assuming you're not in the U.S... "Minimum Wage" for waitstaff in the U.S. is like $2.30 an hour or so, forcing them to rely on tips to earn a living wage.  I do not know the history of that law.
 
2014-03-08 08:35:49 PM  
My cousin tels me stories of when he was a waiter at a fairly nice restaurant in Texas, where the older guys would come in for coffee and breakfast daily, and he felt the pervasive attitude was since hey came almost every day, that somehow exempted them from tipping a decent amount. His bils did not decrease, though. He did not hate the job, but he grew to.
We finally got an Applebees in our village, and I swear, it's as if there is one waitstaff per table. Now it's a pain in the ass to go there. But we don't have much in this village. There's a Chili's too, but nough of the "McFood". I just eat at home mostly.
 
2014-03-08 08:36:36 PM  

Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?


They figured the servers would be able to make up the difference in tips. In a good restaurant with customers who aren't walking pieces of garbage this is true. When you throw either a shiatty restaurant or farkhead customers into the mix the numbers don't add up anymore.
 
2014-03-08 08:38:02 PM  

rustypouch: Tipping thread? I'll just leave this here.
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Is there a drive through at Applebee's where I can buy the food and not have to pay someone to give it to me?

I mean, I don't go into a grocery store and pay the cashier to ring up my groceries.

/Yeah, I'm just being a troll bait ass.
 
2014-03-08 08:38:46 PM  

Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?


I don't know the origins of it.

I just know I'm not going to screw over someone who's bringing me food, just to make a point about something they have no control over.
 
2014-03-08 08:39:01 PM  

umad: When did the minimum become 20%?


When I became a waiter, it was told me (and I stuck with the belief for years) that 20% was what you should tip. No I tip anywhere from 15% minimum to 20% but more often 15%. Anything more expected and it's just the server being greedy. If you turn over your tables fast enough on a busy night, fifteen percent is plenty.
 
2014-03-08 08:39:28 PM  
Ehh, lousy tippers are everywhere. Honestly, these people who moan about lousy tippers on the Internet to people who don't care need to grow up, or find a different job (or finish their degree, then new job). Complain to your coworkers like the rest of us, then get the hell over it.
 
2014-03-08 08:39:43 PM  

Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?


Because restaurant owners are cheap bastards, and claim that they can't pay their servers more, and besides, people leave tips, so that makes it OK.  Or something?  It's a load of horseshiat, really.  The owners don't want to pay their employees a truly fair wage, and have to raise prices to match.  Since nearly every restaurant does it, it's kind of ingrained into the system.  So long as big business can lobby congress (lobby, not bribe, mind.  That's 'different'), it won't change.
 
2014-03-08 08:39:52 PM  

He_Hate_Me: Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars


Should they cut your food up for you too?
 
2014-03-08 08:42:09 PM  

somemoron: Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?

Because restaurant owners are cheap bastards, and claim that they can't pay their servers more, and besides, people leave tips, so that makes it OK.  Or something?  It's a load of horseshiat, really.  The owners don't want to pay their employees a truly fair wage, and have to raise prices to match.  Since nearly every restaurant does it, it's kind of ingrained into the system.  So long as big business can lobby congress (lobby, not bribe, mind.  That's 'different'), it won't change.


There really really needs to be a sarcasm font so you can tell if people are being serious or not.
 
2014-03-08 08:42:20 PM  

blipponaut: Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.


You're eating at the wrong restaurant hon.
 
2014-03-08 08:42:39 PM  
I quit going to Sonic because I felt as if the curb hop walked out and brought me my drive thru order, I had to tip, but if I made it to the window I didn't.

I don't need this aggravation for shiatty food.
 
2014-03-08 08:42:53 PM  

chitownmike: He_Hate_Me: Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars

Should they cut your food up for you too?


Only at Hooters.  They'd have to bend low to the table, if you know what I mean, and I think...  please stop filling out that restraining order.
 
2014-03-08 08:46:36 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: somemoron: Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?

Because restaurant owners are cheap bastards, and claim that they can't pay their servers more, and besides, people leave tips, so that makes it OK.  Or something?  It's a load of horseshiat, really.  The owners don't want to pay their employees a truly fair wage, and have to raise prices to match.  Since nearly every restaurant does it, it's kind of ingrained into the system.  So long as big business can lobby congress (lobby, not bribe, mind.  That's 'different'), it won't change.

There really really needs to be a sarcasm font so you can tell if people are being serious or not.


Heh, fair enough.  I just assume that anytime I mention, congress, it would be an outlier if I wasn't being sarcastic.  Or maybe cynical.  Both?  Why not both.
 
2014-03-08 08:46:41 PM  
Normally I give 20% starting. 10% tip is for the ones that piss me off. There was a steak house I gave 45% because the waiter was just that awesome.
 
2014-03-08 08:47:08 PM  

blipponaut: Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.


Extra cheese on cheese sticks!? Go on!!
 
2014-03-08 08:47:22 PM  

He_Hate_Me: Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars




Tipping is all about power. You either reward or penalize your waiter based on an arbitrary set of criteria that YOU get to decide.

Much like annual raise time at the office.
 
2014-03-08 08:48:26 PM  
T a lot of these "restaurants" now, you're expected to tip even if you order the food to go. When did this happen? If it's too much to expect them to "do their job", why bother? I thought tipping was an addition for "exceptional" service.When did it become De Rigeur for just doing your job? Next you know, you'll be "expected" to tip for buying gas for your car.
 
2014-03-08 08:48:54 PM  
The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.
 
2014-03-08 08:48:58 PM  

ifky: blipponaut: Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.

Extra cheese on cheese sticks!? Go on!!


I thought that's what you got if you had a reputation for being a cheap customer.  Oh wait, that ain't cheese.
 
2014-03-08 08:50:37 PM  
I'll tip well 25%+ if the service is outstanding.
I will tip 15% for average service.
I will tip less than 10% for inadequate service.

I have been there before and know how tips makes or breaks making it through the next day.

What a piss poor excuse to not tip. Not holy at all.
 
2014-03-08 08:50:43 PM  

30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.


Maybe you should wait tables then and make those sweet tips. And if you ain't got no money take your broke ass home.
 
2014-03-08 08:50:44 PM  

somemoron: Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.

That's... GENIUS!  You should write a book so that people in depressed areas with no other jobs can go get one and stop being poor!  Truly, a visionary, you is.


Tell ya what.  If someone told me to work for free (or practically free) and every now and then if i do a good job i could get some money, i would flat out refuse them.

Somehow waiters/waitresses only work in depressed areas?

McDonalds pays min wage, so does walmart.  If people want to get a waiter/waitress job just because they *can* make a lot of money if they get good tips, that's called gambling.  You sometimes win and you sometimes lose.  Don't get all angry with someone because they're not generous.  If 20% tips are required, then put it on the bill otherwise don't complain.  No one is entitled to receive a person's charity regardless of what boo-hoo reasons this exists to begin with.
 
2014-03-08 08:51:20 PM  

another cultural observer: Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.



I'm fairly tall and will hold a ten dollar bill over a servers head and let them keep it if they've got the vertical to reach it within three tries.  It's good fun for my guests and (Im guessing) the staff as well.

If they did a good job they get 10% too, so the $10.00 is pure bonus.
 
2014-03-08 08:51:48 PM  
Tipping was early 1900's trend where diners allowed the wait staff to keep the change to the next whole dollar as a treat for pleasant service.  The waitstaff realized they could make good money if they served more tables, which was usually good for the owner's bottom line as well. 100 years out, the whole tipping shiat is way too far out of farking control and threatens to collapse the free market any day now.
 
2014-03-08 08:51:53 PM  

xevian: Normally I give 20% starting. 10% tip is for the ones that piss me off. There was a steak house I gave 45% because the waiter was just that awesome.


Did he give you a hand job under the table? I'm just trying to figure out what level of service would warrant a 45% tip.

/Usually do 20% because I'm too lazy to do the math on 15%.
 
2014-03-08 08:52:18 PM  

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


Sweet keep the 20, kids on both side of you, and you said hot water w no lemon and some spit.Btw I forgot to put in your order and probly won't put it in until the next 4 tables leave. I don't like your face and wish you would just leave. Oh from now on I am going to abide by one rule you gave me. I will not talk to you anymore.
 
2014-03-08 08:53:06 PM  
I actually enjoy tipping for good service, the thought that this person can maybe have something nice on you is fulfilling. When I was younger I used to tip really high 40%+ because I just had the extra money and no real bills but nowadays I usually do 20-25%.
 
2014-03-08 08:53:39 PM  
Tipping threads are starting to keep me from eating out with my family.  I can afford the tip, I just dont think the farking waitstaff deserve 20%.  There is not a single farking thing that they do that I can see that would earn them 20% of a $50-$100 meal.  Refill my drinks once?  Carry food from point A to point B?  Bring me my check and just leave it on the table at some point?  fark you.  fark the waitstaff.  Sorry you got a shiatty job that is another in a long line of historically screwing over their employees but there is still 1 and only 1 reason people pay 20%+ of their tab to some guy bringing them food.  FEAR.  If I have to be afraid then fark that, i'll happily spend my hundred bux someplace that I dont have to worry about a disgruntled college drop out pissing in my over priced ice tea because I only tipped 10% instead of 30%.

Tipping should be illegal, punishment, getting shiat on by a an elephant.
 
2014-03-08 08:54:23 PM  

Ex-Texan: T a lot of these "restaurants" now, you're expected to tip even if you order the food to go. When did this happen? If it's too much to expect them to "do their job", why bother? I thought tipping was an addition for "exceptional" service.When did it become De Rigeur for just doing your job? Next you know, you'll be "expected" to tip for buying gas for your car.


Tipping in a restaurant is required because of the amount the waitstaff is paid.  Minimum wage in tipped jobs is a little over $2 in most states.  If every customer thought as you do, a waiter would make less than $90 before taxes for his 40 hour week.  If they made regular minimum wage, then yes, tipping would be for exceptional service.

Because the various state legislatures and the restaurants have both decided not to pay waitstaff appropriate wages, it is incumbent on the customers to make up that difference.  Basically, look at it this way - the price on the menu is the price for the ingredients, the chef's wages, and the building's lease and utility bills.  It does not include the labour cost of the waitstaff - that's a hidden cost of eating out that they leave out to make their prices look lower.
 
2014-03-08 08:56:20 PM  
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2014-03-08 08:56:36 PM  

DemonEater: Tipping in a restaurant is required because of the amount the waitstaff is paid. Minimum wage in tipped jobs is a little over $2 in most states. If every customer thought as you do, a waiter would make less than $90 before taxes for his 40 hour week. If they made regular minimum wage, then yes, tipping would be for exceptional service.


Fine, then the restaurant should be required to place a sign at the entrance that says "We only pay our waitstaff $2/hr so you are expected to tip to make up for our cheapness".
 
2014-03-08 08:56:36 PM  

DemonEater: Ex-Texan: T a lot of these "restaurants" now, you're expected to tip even if you order the food to go. When did this happen? If it's too much to expect them to "do their job", why bother? I thought tipping was an addition for "exceptional" service.When did it become De Rigeur for just doing your job? Next you know, you'll be "expected" to tip for buying gas for your car.

Tipping in a restaurant is required because of the amount the waitstaff is paid.  Minimum wage in tipped jobs is a little over $2 in most states.  If every customer thought as you do, a waiter would make less than $90 before taxes for his 40 hour week.  If they made regular minimum wage, then yes, tipping would be for exceptional service.

Because the various state legislatures and the restaurants have both decided not to pay waitstaff appropriate wages, it is incumbent on the customers to make up that difference.  Basically, look at it this way - the price on the menu is the price for the ingredients, the chef's wages, and the building's lease and utility bills.  It does not include the labour cost of the waitstaff - that's a hidden cost of eating out that they leave out to make their prices look lower.


If it's required, put it on the bill.  If it's not on the bill then it's not required Period.
 
2014-03-08 08:56:40 PM  

chitownmike: He_Hate_Me: Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars

Should they cut your food up for you too?


You're right, I should have to go into their kitchen and cook the food I want to eat, especially since I haven't been tipping the cook this whole time!
 
2014-03-08 08:59:22 PM  

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


Except that:
a) Nobody is motivated by "working for" an arsehole.
b) With your attitude and generally unreasonable demands, you're still  grossly undertipping.

/Not a waiter
//appreciates a good waiter
 
2014-03-08 08:59:42 PM  
I tip from about 10% up to 30% depending on the performance of the server. 10% for poor service and 30% for badass service. I once left note instead of a tip because a server came over, took my order, had someone else deliver the order to my table and didn't come by again until she brought me the bill, then she didn't even come by to collect it and didn't actually say anything, just put it on my table and walked off. The note wasn't overly rude, just said something like, "You didn't even try to earn a tip... so my tip is that you try to earn your tips from your future customers."
 
2014-03-08 09:00:16 PM  

He_Hate_Me: Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars


But since that will never happen, just go ahead and tip, you cheap sack of crap.
 
2014-03-08 09:00:22 PM  
My guess to tipping being acceptable is because most restaurants are small businesses in a volitile industry.  Tipping is a kind of subsidy.
 
2014-03-08 09:02:45 PM  

Roja Herring: My guess to tipping being acceptable is because most restaurants are small businesses in a volitile industry.  Tipping is a kind of subsidy.


It doesn't goto the business.
 
2014-03-08 09:03:08 PM  

Hypergreatthing: If it's required, put it on the bill. If it's not on the bill then it's not required Period.


I totally agree, the tipping thing in this country is idiotic and waitstaff should be paid a proper wage, like in proper countries.

But as things stand right now, that's the way eating out works.
 
2014-03-08 09:04:51 PM  
I understand that some professions depend on tips to get by.  But if you choose one of those professions and you get a non-tipper every once in a while, don't be a whiny asshat about it, that's just a risk you take when you work in a field that requires you to get tips to make a decent living.  If you can't deal with that risk then get a different job.
 
2014-03-08 09:05:46 PM  

BafflerMeal: It doesn't goto the business.


It's subsidizing the restaurant's labor costs, though.

If you don't tip, the restaurant has to pay the waiter $7.25 (or whatever the local untipped minimum wage is).  Since tipping is expected, the restaurant can save about $5/hour per waiter, which could be a couple thousand a week easy.
 
2014-03-08 09:05:55 PM  

BafflerMeal: Roja Herring: My guess to tipping being acceptable is because most restaurants are small businesses in a volitile industry.  Tipping is a kind of subsidy.

It doesn't goto the business.


it allows their overhead to be lower.
 
2014-03-08 09:06:33 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I really don't get this mentality. I mean, hell, if you're going to the same place after church each Sunday why wouldn't you tip at least OK out of pure freaking self interest?


I know someone who goes out after church and tips for shiat even though he's friendly with everyone. But he's over 80 and thinks 10% is the max or something. When we go out with him we just bring cash and hide it under our plates so he doesn't see it. If he catches us we conveniently "forget" something at the table after he goes outside. It's ridiculous, but he gets insulted if we think he didn't give enough but we know he doesn't by 21st century standards.
 
2014-03-08 09:06:44 PM  

Roja Herring: My guess to tipping being acceptable is because most restaurants are small businesses in a volitile industry.  Tipping is a kind of subsidy.


I've always looked at it as a performance. The server is supposed to inform me, serve me, entertain me, and make sure I'm satisfied and pleased with what I've received. They're also supposed to be my liaison to the kitchen staff. I can't talk to the chef... they are doing it for me. So if a server wants to make decent money, he/she needs to impress me with good service. If restaurants just paid workers a flat wage, I doubt we would ever come across an excellent server... just mediocre ones.

The incentive just isn't there with a shiatty wage instead of the potential for decent tips. A really good server can make a pretty nice income in even a middle of the road restaurant.
 
2014-03-08 09:08:18 PM  
I know this thread had already gone into full tipping outrage mode, but just wanted to comment, in case anyone had read TFA, that this is an incredibly nice thing this pastor is doing for these waiters and also in telling Christians "don't be dicks."

We now return you to your tipping-related ITGing already in progress.
 
2014-03-08 09:09:17 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: and also in telling Christians "don't be dicks."


A bit ironic... really.
 
2014-03-08 09:09:46 PM  

Hypergreatthing: somemoron: Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.

That's... GENIUS!  You should write a book so that people in depressed areas with no other jobs can go get one and stop being poor!  Truly, a visionary, you is.

Tell ya what.  If someone told me to work for free (or practically free) and every now and then if i do a good job i could get some money, i would flat out refuse them.

Somehow waiters/waitresses only work in depressed areas?

McDonalds pays min wage, so does walmart.  If people want to get a waiter/waitress job just because they *can* make a lot of money if they get good tips, that's called gambling.  You sometimes win and you sometimes lose.  Don't get all angry with someone because they're not generous.  If 20% tips are required, then put it on the bill otherwise don't complain.  No one is entitled to receive a person's charity regardless of what boo-hoo reasons this exists to begin with.


Sounds like you should invest in a sack of charcoal briquettes and shove 'em up your ass because it's so tight you'd have a fortune in diamonds in a week.
 
2014-03-08 09:10:02 PM  
God doesn't exist surprisingly absent from this thread.
 
2014-03-08 09:11:04 PM  

Nhojwolfe: another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.

Sweet keep the 20, kids on both side of you, and you said hot water w no lemon and some spit.Btw I forgot to put in your order and probly won't put it in until the next 4 tables leave. I don't like your face and wish you would just leave. Oh from now on I am going to abide by one rule you gave me. I will not talk to you anymore.


Yeah, that guys sounds like a dick. Also, how can one enjoy their meal if they are just watching a stop watch like that? I go out to enjoy food and converse. Not put someone to boot camp.
 
2014-03-08 09:11:20 PM  

JohnnyC: I've always looked at it as a performance. The server is supposed to inform me, serve me, entertain me, and make sure I'm satisfied and pleased with what I've received. They're also supposed to be my liaison to the kitchen staff. I can't talk to the chef... they are doing it for me. So if a server wants to make decent money, he/she needs to impress me with good service. If restaurants just paid workers a flat wage, I doubt we would ever come across an excellent server... just mediocre ones.


I've had plenty of great servers in Europe, where service is included in the bill and tipping really isn't done.  I've also had really shiatty service in the US, where there's supposedly this big incentive to be great or you don't get paid.

People will generally do their job to the best of their abilities regardless of dangled incentives.  People actually do their jobs best when they're happy in their workplace and not worried about doing well enough that day to be able to eat that night.
 
2014-03-08 09:14:04 PM  
If servers don't make minimum wage through tips, the employer has to pay the full federal mandated minimum wage.  No questions, they have to pay.  So, if no one ever tipped any server, the server would make as much as the guy at McDonald's.  Now, servers do work harder than the guy at the McDonald's, usually, but let's not pretend that they are only making $2 an hour.  Many servers are only worth minimum wage so the exception that a tip is required in every seating is BS.
 
2014-03-08 09:14:16 PM  
thismomentinblackhistory:

Maybe you should wait tables then and make those sweet tips. And if you ain't got no money take your broke ass home.

Oh the smug attitude of people who wait tables for a living.  It's not customers responsibility to give you money to pay the bills.  It's the business you work for.

Know why people who wait tables constantly complain about bad tipping?  Because in reality they are horrible about managing their money.  They get a good night and blow all the money going out on, and probably not tipping people, and the next day they they do bad in tips and the phone bill is due and they are broke.
 
2014-03-08 09:14:26 PM  

Nhojwolfe: another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.

Sweet keep the 20, kids on both side of you, and you said hot water w no lemon and some spit.Btw I forgot to put in your order and probly won't put it in until the next 4 tables leave. I don't like your face and wish you would just leave. Oh from now on I am going to abide by one rule you gave me. I will not talk to you anymore.


Pretty much. No refills, poor service, delayed orders, wrong sides, extra loud kids, dismissive of your choices ("Oh don't say that sir, I can tell you would like to see the desert menu" to a fat guy), and just general incompetence all at the cost of $20. As a former server, that's a farking bargain.

No health code violations, because those have consequences. But all kinds of passive-aggressive horsecrap would be worth it for that price.
 
2014-03-08 09:14:32 PM  

Nhojwolfe: Sweet keep the 20, kids on both side of you, and you said hot water w no lemon and some spit.Btw I forgot to put in your order and probly won't put it in until the next 4 tables leave. I don't like your face and wish you would just leave. Oh from now on I am going to abide by one rule you gave me. I will not talk to you anymore.


I figured that guy had to be trolling, at least from his one rule.  Bad parody of the sorts who usually post in these threads about their ridiculous requirements.
 
2014-03-08 09:16:34 PM  
Even Dave Ramsey has railed about Christians not tipping and says that Christians should be generous towards others.   Heck they even have a code phrase for schmucks trying to get out of debt by working an extra job so those who are in better shape can slide them some extra tip money.

That being said, head waiters at snooty restaurants can clear $100,000/year, which is a lot of tips.
 
2014-03-08 09:16:41 PM  

soseussme: Hypergreatthing: somemoron: Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.

That's... GENIUS!  You should write a book so that people in depressed areas with no other jobs can go get one and stop being poor!  Truly, a visionary, you is.

Tell ya what.  If someone told me to work for free (or practically free) and every now and then if i do a good job i could get some money, i would flat out refuse them.

Somehow waiters/waitresses only work in depressed areas?

McDonalds pays min wage, so does walmart.  If people want to get a waiter/waitress job just because they *can* make a lot of money if they get good tips, that's called gambling.  You sometimes win and you sometimes lose.  Don't get all angry with someone because they're not generous.  If 20% tips are required, then put it on the bill otherwise don't complain.  No one is entitled to receive a person's charity regardless of what boo-hoo reasons this exists to begin with.

Sounds like you should invest in a sack of charcoal briquettes and shove 'em up your ass because it's so tight you'd have a fortune in diamonds in a week.


Hit too close to home? Don't worry, unlike most Americans I can cook a decent meal and avoid going out as much as i can.
I also don't feel like paying people money for the same tasks a trained monkey can do.
 
2014-03-08 09:17:23 PM  

Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.


My guess is you're one of the usual a-holes who complain about people being on welfare.
 
2014-03-08 09:17:24 PM  

DemonEater: I've had plenty of great servers in Europe, where service is included in the bill and tipping really isn't done.  I've also had really shiatty service in the US, where there's supposedly this big incentive to be great or you don't get paid.


Were you trying to say you've had MORE great servers in Europe?
 
2014-03-08 09:18:34 PM  

AlgertMan: thismomentinblackhistory:

Maybe you should wait tables then and make those sweet tips. And if you ain't got no money take your broke ass home.

Oh the smug attitude of people who wait tables for a living.  It's not customers responsibility to give you money to pay the bills.  It's the business you work for.

Know why people who wait tables constantly complain about bad tipping?  Because in reality they are horrible about managing their money.  They get a good night and blow all the money going out on, and probably not tipping people, and the next day they they do bad in tips and the phone bill is due and they are broke.


I don't wait tables. I'm just not a broke fark face. Are you? I've never been one to, you know, assume.
 
2014-03-08 09:18:42 PM  

DemonEater: BafflerMeal: It doesn't goto the business.

It's subsidizing the restaurant's labor costs, though.

If you don't tip, the restaurant has to pay the waiter $7.25 (or whatever the local untipped minimum wage is).  Since tipping is expected, the restaurant can save about $5/hour per waiter, which could be a couple thousand a week easy.


Combine that with "right to work" laws (which are Republican-speak for "right to fire for any reason") and the notion that a waiter who doesn't get enough tips to save the restaurant that money must be delivering poor customer service, restaurants won't pay $7.25 when they can get someone else.
 
2014-03-08 09:19:26 PM  
I don't tip but I only eat 75% of my meal and leave the remaining 25% for the service staff. In a nice restaurant that means a nice bit of an expensive good-quality meal.
 
2014-03-08 09:20:06 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: AlgertMan: thismomentinblackhistory:

Maybe you should wait tables then and make those sweet tips. And if you ain't got no money take your broke ass home.

Oh the smug attitude of people who wait tables for a living.  It's not customers responsibility to give you money to pay the bills.  It's the business you work for.

Know why people who wait tables constantly complain about bad tipping?  Because in reality they are horrible about managing their money.  They get a good night and blow all the money going out on, and probably not tipping people, and the next day they they do bad in tips and the phone bill is due and they are broke.

I don't wait tables. I'm just not a broke fark face. Are you? I've never been one to, you know, assume.


Like how you assumed someone was broke earlier in the thread?
 
2014-03-08 09:20:06 PM  

gadian: If servers don't make minimum wage through tips, the employer has to pay the full federal mandated minimum wage.  No questions, they have to pay.  So, if no one ever tipped any server, the server would make as much as the guy at McDonald's.  Now, servers do work harder than the guy at the McDonald's, usually, but let's not pretend that they are only making $2 an hour.  Many servers are only worth minimum wage so the exception that a tip is required in every seating is BS.


Yup, that's the law.

Talk to servers who've actually tried it, though.  See how many of them got grilled about why they didn't make enough tips, got moved to shiatty shifts, got their hours cut, got let go...
 
2014-03-08 09:21:07 PM  

Headso: BafflerMeal: Roja Herring: My guess to tipping being acceptable is because most restaurants are small businesses in a volitile industry.  Tipping is a kind of subsidy.

It doesn't goto the business.

it allows their overhead to be lower.


Exactly.  It's $5/hr per server they don't have to pay and can use somewhere else.
 
2014-03-08 09:22:02 PM  
"I give God ten percent, why do you get 18?"

Maybe because I need money more than God does?

/why does God need money?
 
2014-03-08 09:22:43 PM  

Nem Wan: Combine that with "right to work" laws (which are Republican-speak for "right to fire for any reason") and the notion that a waiter who doesn't get enough tips to save the restaurant that money must be delivering poor customer service, restaurants won't pay $7.25 when they can get someone else.


Right-to-work is Republican-speak for no-you-can't-have-a-union-not-yours.  You're thinking of "at-will".
 
2014-03-08 09:22:45 PM  

He_Hate_Me: chitownmike: He_Hate_Me: Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars

Should they cut your food up for you too?

You're right, I should have to go into their kitchen and cook the food I want to eat, especially since I haven't been tipping the cook this whole time!


No, you should probably stick with going to your kitchen, modern life is, clearly, too complicated for you.
 
2014-03-08 09:22:58 PM  
My lunch tab today:  $11.87
Tip paid:  $3.13
Total bill:  $15.00

Pretty much a "Meh, Close enough" on my end.  Paid an even dollar amount, it worked out to be a decent tip percent wise.  But really, no one is crying with joy over receiving a $3 tip, nor am I patting myself on the back.  It's three farking dollars.  Whee!

/if you're a cheap asshole, don't eat out.  It'll be cheaper.
//if you think you're teaching someone else a lesson by not tipping or tipping badly, it's only about what kind of a dick you are.
 
2014-03-08 09:24:00 PM  

austin_millbarge: Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.

My guess is you're one of the usual a-holes who complain about people being on welfare.


I think a safety net is a great thing.  I don't like people popping out babies so they can live off welfare.
I think the ability to get more money off of welfare than people making min wage is when the system is terribly broken.
 
2014-03-08 09:24:04 PM  
10% for bad service? where the fark are you eating that you already have a preset % for bad service?

also complaining about places that try and up sell you cheesesticks, try not going to bad chain restaurants.

and you not tipping isn't going to make restaurant owners suddenly rethink everything and start paying a living wage so just stop with that because you're only shorting the waitstaff.
 
2014-03-08 09:24:14 PM  
Then again, my son is so lazy, I sometimes ask him if he wants his Mom to regurgitate it for him, like a penguin.
 
2014-03-08 09:24:43 PM  

Porous Horace: I don't tip but I only eat 75% of my meal and leave the remaining 25% for the service staff. In a nice restaurant that means a nice bit of an expensive good-quality meal.


We really do appreciate food leftover at the end of a buffet or "cocktail hour" before a wedding. Saves us from having to buy lunch.

/and we really like it when you have decent hors d'oeuvres and not just pigs in a blanket.
 
2014-03-08 09:25:39 PM  
In California, Washington, Oregon, and Nevada, tipped workers make minimum wage (or close to it) in addition to tips. Yet we still get the "OMG you have to tip 20% or else the poor waiters will starve" argument.  http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm  for more info. 

I tip because it's socially accepted, but I'd much rather just pay a flat fee like I do at other restaurants. Until all the self-righteous waiters start fighting for the rights of the rest of the staff and other minimum-wage food jobs that DON'T get tips, I'll continue to call them self-righteous.
 
2014-03-08 09:26:19 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Tipping is all about power. You either reward or penalize your waiter based on an arbitrary set of criteria that YOU get to decide.


Only if you're a dick. I tip 15% unless they do something seriously farked, and sometimes tip higher if their service is outstanding. Bringing the wrong dish? Not that bad. It's cool. Bringing me a glass of soda with lipstick on it? Yeah, your tip disappears.

I also live in California, which doesn't have a separate, lower minimum wage for waitstaff. It's the same minimum every other job has.
 
2014-03-08 09:28:11 PM  

bboy: I do not know the history of that law.


I don't either, but I'm sure it involves teh job creators' putting in their two cents' worth to the local Congresscritter.
 
2014-03-08 09:28:35 PM  
Those of you who think my method bad probably give food instead of money to the homeless.
 
2014-03-08 09:31:05 PM  

Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.


God gets ten percent of your yearly income.
The waiter gets eighteen per cent of your lunch tab.

One thing is not like the other.

It's just different.
 
2014-03-08 09:32:13 PM  
CSB:
I worked at a restaurant where a certain famous congress critter ate at on the regular.
He's now in prison, but he was a decent tipper.
 
2014-03-08 09:39:28 PM  
I see a total disconnect in this. You go to church on sunday and then go out to dinner? What ever happened to "Keep the Sabbath Day holy"? Is Sunday not the Sabbath?
 
2014-03-08 09:39:30 PM  

another cultural observer: I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter


Also known as a "waitress"
 
2014-03-08 09:39:39 PM  
No one? Ok...
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2014-03-08 09:40:00 PM  

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


I would toss your ass out of the place for that.
 
2014-03-08 09:42:58 PM  
From the article:
Roberts said that his church members are planning to write out apologies to every single poster. They will also send a server a Food City gift card that can be used for groceries or gas.

A GIFT CARD?! The message received is, "Not all Christians are condescending assholes. And by the way, your lowly status in society means you can't be trusted with cash."
 
2014-03-08 09:43:07 PM  
Waitstaff needs to just suck it up with the individual tables and look at the average and shut up.

I worked at a crappy Ponderosa Steakhouse/Buffet from 93-95 as a high school student. Worked my butt off but never left the restaurant with less than an avg of $18/hr. For someone without a high school diploma. At a buffet.  Some people are going to tip well. Some are going to stiff you.  If you can't make $12 per hour on average at a restaurant, you're in the wrong line of work.

Waiters should also realize that real businesses face the same thing. Grocery store owners have things called loss leaders.  Sure, they sell some things below cost to get people in the door. Some people may come and buy those few items but most will buy more, so it works out for them in the end.

Welcome to the real world. Not every table is "fair"
 
2014-03-08 09:43:36 PM  
This is how I, a single adult, view tipping standards.

When a married couple with pre-teen children in the home go out for a dinner it is usually a special occasion that requires advance planning and a sitter. It is unlikely they'll be dining out more than a couple of times per month -- they get the 15% tipping rate.

Single people that dine out a lot and invariably have more than a couple of drinks, people that know both the menu and the staff, pay the 20%.

Single guys on a date pay 20+% because they shouldn't look cheap. If, after several dates they begin to drop the tip amount, a smart woman should run away.

I'm 66-years-old, retired with my home paid for. I enjoy tipping in a higher end of the scale. I have, on occasion, bought a round of drinks for people I don't know at another table. I think of it like tipping -- something I like to do.
 
2014-03-08 09:44:29 PM  

cheezitmojo: NFA: So Christians think of tithing is "tipping" god?

Well, he did create their entire universe. I think that's warrants 10%.


He already owns everything. What purpose does giving some of it to His sales and marketing department do?
 
2014-03-08 09:44:52 PM  

DemonEater: gadian: If servers don't make minimum wage through tips, the employer has to pay the full federal mandated minimum wage.  No questions, they have to pay.  So, if no one ever tipped any server, the server would make as much as the guy at McDonald's.  Now, servers do work harder than the guy at the McDonald's, usually, but let's not pretend that they are only making $2 an hour.  Many servers are only worth minimum wage so the exception that a tip is required in every seating is BS.

Yup, that's the law.

Talk to servers who've actually tried it, though.  See how many of them got grilled about why they didn't make enough tips, got moved to shiatty shifts, got their hours cut, got let go...


I'll never forget the manager's reaction when my friends and I covered our entire table in change, most of it quarters with eyes and a mouth in pennies, for our favorite waitress since we were all going off to college.  He offered her $5 for it so she wouldn't have to 'deal with it'.  I'm not saying we would have taken it back had she accepted, but thankfully we didn't have to since she wasn't an idiot.  That kind of a jerk move surprised us quite a bit though.
 
2014-03-08 09:44:53 PM  

Mad_Radhu: /Usually do 20% because I'm too lazy to do the math on 15%.


Glad I'm not the only one.
 
2014-03-08 09:46:32 PM  
Actually a good waiter / waitress can make a couple of hundred a night (4-12 shift) if they know the game, are good and hustle. Back in '79-80 was making $40-$60 for a three hour lunch. All anyone ever claimed was minimum
 
2014-03-08 09:48:31 PM  
" I give God 10%..."
So, go plant a field, and wait for it.

/really?
//bunch of condescending A-holes.
///You're still gonna die. Maybe today.
 
2014-03-08 09:48:33 PM  

superdude72: From the article:
Roberts said that his church members are planning to write out apologies to every single poster. They will also send a server a Food City gift card that can be used for groceries or gas.

A GIFT CARD?! The message received is, "Not all Christians are condescending assholes. And by the way, your lowly status in society means you can't be trusted with cash."


True. You are correct sir. Because some Christians are douches, other Christians should have to compromise their (possible) beliefs about alcohol.

While the Bible doesn't condemn drinking, I think most church people would still have a problem with using church money to buy alcohol and I think the gift card is a good compromise that should be well received. If they're offended by the gesture, I'm sure they'd be more than welcome to send it back.
 
2014-03-08 09:48:58 PM  

Ex-Texan: T a lot of these "restaurants" now, you're expected to tip even if you order the food to go. When did this happen? If it's too much to expect them to "do their job", why bother? I thought tipping was an addition for "exceptional" service.When did it become De Rigeur for just doing your job? Next you know, you'll be "expected" to tip for buying gas for your car.


I tip to go stuff when they're slammed but have my called in stuff ready exactly when promised if I'm on a work break, throw in extras they know I'll ask for, or take an the order 5 minutes before close cause the SO and I work weird hours.

Above and beyond. But everyday stuff, nope.
 
2014-03-08 09:49:35 PM  

Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?


Short answer: Pressure from the National Restaurant Association who are as reprehensible a bunch of venal skin-flinted nubianrdly rat bastards as were ever conceived by anal sex.
 
2014-03-08 09:50:15 PM  

umad: When did the minimum become 20%?


This.

It is now, and has always been 15%. It's not something that needs to be raised to account for inflation because the as price of the meals go up, the amount of the tip goes up accordingly.

The problem is, people have made a habit of tipping 20%, some because they don't want to appear stingy, others because it's easier for them to do the math on 20%, and because so many have been doing this for so long, the servers now think it's the going rate. They're wrong.
 
2014-03-08 09:51:13 PM  

mudmin: superdude72: From the article:
Roberts said that his church members are planning to write out apologies to every single poster. They will also send a server a Food City gift card that can be used for groceries or gas.

A GIFT CARD?! The message received is, "Not all Christians are condescending assholes. And by the way, your lowly status in society means you can't be trusted with cash."

True. You are correct sir. Because some Christians are douches, other Christians should have to compromise their (possible) beliefs about alcohol.

While the Bible doesn't condemn drinking, I think most church people would still have a problem with using church money to buy alcohol and I think the gift card is a good compromise that should be well received. If they're offended by the gesture, I'm sure they'd be more than welcome to send it back.


It's actually the cooks you have to worry about.  Majority of cooks are junkies.
 
2014-03-08 09:52:43 PM  
You already gave God 10%?

Did God get off his ass and do anything for you today? No, you actually went to him, and worshiped him, and then gave him 10% of your income in exchange for not murdering you.

How about you give God all your money and stay out of restaurants entirely.
 
2014-03-08 09:53:11 PM  
i believe in over tipping.

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knowing that most wait staff make less than a living wage with their hourly rate, it is only right to tip.

if you can't afford to tip, or are too cheap to tip, you can get a box of mac and cheese for a buck at the grocery store.
take your cheap ass home you farking losers.
 
2014-03-08 09:54:07 PM  

blipponaut: Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.


Observations from a Tipless Restaraunt
 
2014-03-08 09:54:47 PM  
Wow, tipping threads bring out some stingy weirdos. It's the social convention, deal with it.
 
2014-03-08 09:55:21 PM  
Can't do the math on 15%? Flippin' 'eck!

Just do 10% then take half of that and add it to itself.

Ex: $23.74 -> 10% is $2.37, half of that is (approx) $1.18, added together is $3.56.

As an adult, you should be able to do simple math in your head.
 
2014-03-08 09:55:42 PM  

Pincy: I understand that some professions depend on tips to get by.  But if you choose one of those professions and you get a non-tipper every once in a while, don't be a whiny asshat about it, that's just a risk you take when you work in a field that requires you to get tips to make a decent living.  If you can't deal with that risk then get a different job.


As per Pincy, no one is allowed to complain about their jobs ever.  So it has been said and so it must be done.
 
2014-03-08 09:55:54 PM  

superdude72: From the article:
Roberts said that his church members are planning to write out apologies to every single poster. They will also send a server a Food City gift card that can be used for groceries or gas.

A GIFT CARD?! The message received is, "Not all Christians are condescending assholes. And by the way, your lowly status in society means you can't be trusted with cash."


only a dickwad would try to find something wrong with that.
you aren't supposed to mail cash, and it is the same thing anyway.
 
2014-03-08 09:56:04 PM  
Min tip is 0% not 20%.

You're an over compensating douche if you think you need to tip 20% minimum.

Do a good job and you'll get a tip.  Do a terrible job and you'll not.  Not that hard to figure out.  Don't want to work for tips, then get a different job.
 
2014-03-08 09:57:21 PM  
To comment on the whole stiffing them teaches them a lesson thing...

There were several times someone stiffed me and when I looked at the table I said, "crap...I told them I was going to bring them another drink, etc."  Those stuck with me.  It truly did remind me that I needed to do better.

Other people were just cheap, scummy trash who were going to tip little/nothing regardless, but there were tables where I definitely deserved it.  I don't have a problem decreasing tip over that kind of stuff.
 
2014-03-08 09:58:03 PM  

boredofedu: I see a total disconnect in this. You go to church on sunday and then go out to dinner? What ever happened to "Keep the Sabbath Day holy"? Is Sunday not the Sabbath?


That depends on who you ask. Generally speaking, if you're one of the five thousand Christian denominations that believe in that whole "keep the sabbath holy" thing, maybe you shouldn't go out to eat on the same day you go to church. I mean, people generally go to church on the sabbath, right?
 
2014-03-08 10:00:06 PM  
I think everyone should work at least one job in their life that they are dependent on tips as part of their income.
 
2014-03-08 10:00:39 PM  

SauceIT: No one? Ok...


It was posted an hour before you in the first 20 posts...
 
2014-03-08 10:01:07 PM  
Tipping threads are great because it helps you identify all of the people who never realized that Judge Smails was intended as satire.
 
2014-03-08 10:01:10 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: * and Jesus still wouldn't approve you prosperity gospel motherf--kers


This.  I'm remembering the song "Would Jesus Wear a Rolex?"

And when did being a cheap tipper become a spiritual issue?  I'm sure there are lots of Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Agnostics and Atheists that are tight asses as well.
 
2014-03-08 10:01:29 PM  
knowing that most wait staff make less than a living wage with their hourly rate, it is only right to tip.

if you can't afford to tip, or are too cheap to tip, you can get a box of mac and cheese for a buck at the grocery store.
take your cheap ass home you farking losers.


Since when is every single job on planet earth worthy of a "living wage."  Aren't there some jobs that are just good for high schoolers and college kids and people who are supplementing household income?  I'm not opposed to tipping (I tip well), but it's not my job to fix all your life's decisions.
 
2014-03-08 10:02:52 PM  

Bermuda59: I think everyone should work at least one job in their life that they are dependent on tips as part of their income.


compensation should depend on performance, no matter what the job is.
unfortunately, with unions, you can be the worst teacher or whatever in the world and you still keep your job and make that paper.
 
2014-03-08 10:04:36 PM  

maram500: boredofedu: I see a total disconnect in this. You go to church on sunday and then go out to dinner? What ever happened to "Keep the Sabbath Day holy"? Is Sunday not the Sabbath?

That depends on who you ask. Generally speaking, if you're one of the five thousand Christian denominations that believe in that whole "keep the sabbath holy" thing, maybe you shouldn't go out to eat on the same day you go to church. I mean, people generally go to church on the sabbath, right?


Saturday (technically speaking) is the sabbath and most Christians believe that Jesus was the fulfillment of the old testament law and being that those commandments were fulfilled the issues went more from these rules to heart matters.

That's why in the sermon on the mount, Jesus said, you've heard it said do not commit adultry but I say don't look at a woman lustfully. You've heard it say do not murder, but I say don't hate. It was changed from these legalistic rules to issues where our hearts and intentions were being judged...not just what we did.  All the more reason to not be a douche after church.
 
2014-03-08 10:04:45 PM  

Porous Horace: Those of you who think my method bad probably give food instead of money to the homeless.


The homeless have already proven they can't be trusted with cash.
It's not easy becoming homeless, it generally requires hundreds of bad decisions being made in a row.
Waitstaff are willing to work for a living.
Most homeless either aren't willing to, or are incapable.

/been homeless twice
//wasn't either
 
2014-03-08 10:05:19 PM  

Rodeodoc: StreetlightInTheGhetto: * and Jesus still wouldn't approve you prosperity gospel motherf--kers

This.  I'm remembering the song "Would Jesus Wear a Rolex?"

And when did being a cheap tipper become a spiritual issue?  I'm sure there are lots of Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Agnostics and Atheists that are tight asses as well.


this is why a-holes like jesse jackson should go to hell (if there is one).
 
2014-03-08 10:06:34 PM  

superdude72: your lowly status in society means you can't be trusted with cash."


They'll probably sell the card for half of its face value anyway, so you may as well send cash.
 
2014-03-08 10:06:54 PM  

mudmin: maram500: boredofedu: I see a total disconnect in this. You go to church on sunday and then go out to dinner? What ever happened to "Keep the Sabbath Day holy"? Is Sunday not the Sabbath?

That depends on who you ask. Generally speaking, if you're one of the five thousand Christian denominations that believe in that whole "keep the sabbath holy" thing, maybe you shouldn't go out to eat on the same day you go to church. I mean, people generally go to church on the sabbath, right?

Saturday (technically speaking) is the sabbath and most Christians believe that Jesus was the fulfillment of the old testament law and being that those commandments were fulfilled the issues went more from these rules to heart matters.

That's why in the sermon on the mount, Jesus said, you've heard it said do not commit adultry but I say don't look at a woman lustfully. You've heard it say do not murder, but I say don't hate. It was changed from these legalistic rules to issues where our hearts and intentions were being judged...not just what we did.  All the more reason to not be a douche after church.


i'm going to hell.
 
2014-03-08 10:10:26 PM  

rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.


I call bullshiat.....i dont have to tip. Its a courtesy, the server however STILL has to do their job....which is to take my order and bring it to the table. The problem is the pay system for the waitstaff....the restaurant should up the pay.

I tip generously and always try and call them by their name. But dont tell my to stay home if i cant tip.
My choice biatch.
 
2014-03-08 10:10:56 PM  

chitownmike: He_Hate_Me: chitownmike: He_Hate_Me: Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars

Should they cut your food up for you too?

You're right, I should have to go into their kitchen and cook the food I want to eat, especially since I haven't been tipping the cook this whole time!

No, you should probably stick with going to your kitchen, modern life is, clearly, too complicated for you.


community.secondlife.com
 
2014-03-08 10:11:23 PM  

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


This is the kind of person on which it's worth it to "accidentally" spill something on.
 
2014-03-08 10:13:19 PM  

NFA: So Christians think of tithing is "tipping" god?


You could just throw all your cash in the air and tell Him to keep whatever He wants and you'll take whatever falls to the ground. Sounds logical to me.
 
2014-03-08 10:14:36 PM  
mudmin:

Since when is every single job on planet earth worthy of a "living wage."  Aren't there some jobs that are just good for high schoolers and college kids and people who are supplementing household income?  I'm not opposed to tipping (I tip well), but it's not my job to fix all your life's decisions.

Tell them that when you arrive at the restaurant so you can serve them appropriately.
Hope your end customers get to determine your wage.
 
2014-03-08 10:16:49 PM  

Dwindle: mudmin:

Since when is every single job on planet earth worthy of a "living wage."  Aren't there some jobs that are just good for high schoolers and college kids and people who are supplementing household income?  I'm not opposed to tipping (I tip well), but it's not my job to fix all your life's decisions.

Tell them that when you arrive at the restaurant so you can serve them appropriately.
Hope your end customers get to determine your wage.


They should know that before they fill out the application.
 
2014-03-08 10:20:19 PM  

mudmin: Dwindle: mudmin:

Since when is every single job on planet earth worthy of a "living wage."  Aren't there some jobs that are just good for high schoolers and college kids and people who are supplementing household income?  I'm not opposed to tipping (I tip well), but it's not my job to fix all your life's decisions.

Tell them that when you arrive at the restaurant so you can serve them appropriately.
Hope your end customers get to determine your wage.

They should know that before they fill out the application.


Everyone's wothless but you.  You are a precious snowflake.
 
2014-03-08 10:20:31 PM  
This article says the Avg wage for a waiter in Houston was $49k. Not bad for a job that doesn't require a HS diploma.

Dwindle: mudmin:

Since when is every single job on planet earth worthy of a "living wage."  Aren't there some jobs that are just good for high schoolers and college kids and people who are supplementing household income?  I'm not opposed to tipping (I tip well), but it's not my job to fix all your life's decisions.

Tell them that when you arrive at the restaurant so you can serve them appropriately.
Hope your end customers get to determine your wage.


This article (from 2011) said the avg wage for a waiter in Houston was $49k. Not bad for a job that doesn't require a HS diploma.

Again....it's about averages. Everyone wants to complain about the table that tipped them a buck when we all know they don't even report that $100 tip to the IRS.
 
2014-03-08 10:21:16 PM  

He_Hate_Me: Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars


What? You think this is Europe? Next you'll be demanding that the food be edible!
 
2014-03-08 10:21:54 PM  

Rodeodoc: I'm sure there are lots of Jews... that are tight asses as well.


I'd almost bet on it.
 
2014-03-08 10:22:24 PM  
In the words of Wil Wheaton  "Don't be a dick"
 
2014-03-08 10:23:52 PM  
Everyone's wothless but you.  You are a precious snowflake.

Who's talking about wothless?  I'm a former waiter and I loved it. It's just that not every job is designed to be a head of household living wage job.  Nobody complains when the 14 year old babysitter doesn't get a 401k with an employer match. Waiting tables is an honest job that someone could (and people do) make a great living at...but I don't see where society needs to guarantee every waiter $70k plus benes.

/tips generously
 
2014-03-08 10:26:58 PM  
My sister waited tables when younger.     I worked in the restaurant also but only was pressed into waiting a few tables if it got super busy.

She never complained about tips.   Some days were better than others, but that is life.
Neither of us ever really talked about tips.    If money was the thing that made us tick,  we wouldn't have worked there.   I just tip 15%.

When more income was needed, we got real jobs.
 
2014-03-08 10:27:00 PM  
Texmaniac:

I tip generously and always try and call them by their name. But dont tell my to stay home if i cant tip.
My choice biatch.


And your waitstaff can choose to let you sit for an hour waiting for your food and then wipe their ass with the most satisfying part of your fresh-and-fruity.
 
2014-03-08 10:27:05 PM  
10% tip is sufficient
 
2014-03-08 10:28:44 PM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-08 10:33:49 PM  
I tip very generously, you may not think tipping makes logical sense but it's the system we have. I start at 20% and go to 40 for a really good meal and service. I think if you don't ever tip you are a dick; stay home if you can't afford the tip plus the meal. The last time I didn't tip was when the food was very late and I politely said something to the waitress who cut me off rudely and said "I don't control the kitchen." Which was true but a shiatty way to respond to me. The lack of tip was for her rudeness.

My college GF was a waitress. She said the evangelicals were the worst, they'd come in packs of 20 and leave a dollar or two as a tip.

/CSBs out
 
2014-03-08 10:35:30 PM  

Texmaniac: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

I call bullshiat.....i dont have to tip. Its a courtesy, the server however STILL has to do their job....which is to take my order and bring it to the table. The problem is the pay system for the waitstaff....the restaurant should up the pay.

I tip generously and always try and call them by their name. But dont tell my to stay home if i cant tip.
My choice biatch.


Being an asshole is always a choice, but it's the choice only an asshole would make.
 
2014-03-08 10:35:58 PM  
Many of you are absolution asses on tipping. My guess is that you vote republican.
 
2014-03-08 10:36:04 PM  

trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 402x337]


God and Tipping. If we could work cyclists into the discussion we'd have a trifecta of hate.
 
2014-03-08 10:36:29 PM  
A place near me pays the staff a real wage and the listed prices includes the tax and guess what it really is in the end a cheaper place to eat than many of the competitors who pay their staff peanuts and make them count on tips to make up the difference.  It is probably because of the lines of satisfied customers at the counters and the happy servers who get your order fast every time I go there that makes them profitable.
 
2014-03-08 10:36:51 PM  

Nem Wan: Combine that with "right to work" laws (which are Republican-speak for "right to fire for any reason")


Actually it's "at-will employment".  "Right to work" means that union membership can't be a requirement for a job.
 
2014-03-08 10:37:13 PM  
lohphat:

Why should some employees get to rake in tips while other members of the staff don't?

I'm sure the landscapers at hotels or the janitors who don't to rooms work hard too why don't they get tips?

Other civilized countries have good wages and a stated service charge. Tips are for special occasions. In many of these counties tips are refused or not expected...because they're just doing their jobs.


Because good waitstaff are hard to find, whereas cooks and porters are a dime a dozen.
And no, there is no country where waitstaff, cab drivers, strippers or congressmen are nearly as well paid, or nearly as beneficent.

Service, as well as wages, is dismal in every white person country.

Asians are the exception that prove the rule.
 
2014-03-08 10:38:40 PM  

mrlewish: Many of you are absolution asses on tipping. My guess is that you vote republican.


I'm a libertarian, but most studies I've read say that Republicans are more generous across the board than Democrats.

Democrats are more generous with other people's tax money.

Thanks Obama.

/I'll just leave that right there and go to bed.
 
2014-03-08 10:39:38 PM  

30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.


Servers share tips with other staff you don't see, like the kitchen staff. Plenty of places divide tips equally.
 
2014-03-08 10:40:20 PM  

umad: When did the minimum become 20%?


just now. in a few years it will be 25%

i googled it, in the 50's is was 5%
 
2014-03-08 10:40:41 PM  
Just the tip?
 
2014-03-08 10:41:13 PM  

mudmin: most studies I've read


lol
 
2014-03-08 10:41:33 PM  

umad: When did the minimum become 20%?


That's what I was thinking. I thought it was 15%.
 
2014-03-08 10:41:40 PM  

mudmin: If you can't make $12 per hour on average at a restaurant, you're in the wrong line of work.


The problem is that the waiters are being made to swallow the risk of there not being any customers.... plenty of times they don't make 12 an hour, the problem is not getting enough tables, or getting too many Canadians or Golden Girls...
 
2014-03-08 10:49:08 PM  

BGates: Min tip is 0% not 20%.

You're an over compensating douche if you think you need to tip 20% minimum.

Do a good job and you'll get a tip.  Do a terrible job and you'll not.  Not that hard to figure out.  Don't want to work for tips, then get a different job.


This.

Although my parents taught me a trick when I was a teenager: always keep a penny in your wallet for the rare occasion when your waiter is completely incompetent - because if they do a terrible job and you leave nothing, they can just assume that you forgot the tip, but placing a penny on the table is a neat way to tell them they were terrible. And I've done that maybe three times in my life to waiters who were so bad I made it a mental note to never eat at that particular restaurant for a few years.

BTW, I'm a pretty generous tipper the rest of the time. These guys work hard and deserve it IMHO.
 
2014-03-08 10:49:08 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?

Maybe because God only shells out for a horrible tasting cracker and a sip of cheap wine?


Church i went to as a kid had decent wine and a delicious honey bread. Seriously I want to buy Jesus' flesh from them so I can eat it regularly. That might sound sick but it was that good.
 
2014-03-08 10:50:26 PM  
Not many true wait staff on here....just a bunch of christian haters and this is how I can tell.....if I had a table of church women and a table of black women, 9 times out of 10 the church women would leave a better tip all things being equal.  It still may be a shiat tip....but the church women would at least leave something.
 
2014-03-08 10:52:56 PM  

Stuart Wolfe: BGates: Min tip is 0% not 20%.

You're an over compensating douche if you think you need to tip 20% minimum.

Do a good job and you'll get a tip.  Do a terrible job and you'll not.  Not that hard to figure out.  Don't want to work for tips, then get a different job.

This.

Although my parents taught me a trick when I was a teenager: always keep a penny in your wallet for the rare occasion when your waiter is completely incompetent - because if they do a terrible job and you leave nothing, they can just assume that you forgot the tip, but placing a penny on the table is a neat way to tell them they were terrible. And I've done that maybe three times in my life to waiters who were so bad I made it a mental note to never eat at that particular restaurant for a few years.

BTW, I'm a pretty generous tipper the rest of the time. These guys work hard and deserve it IMHO.


That's a super dick move.  Could be the worst day of a peron's life and that penny might just be the thing to push them over the edge.  As long as you feel  better about yourself with the neat trick to tell some one you don't approve everything is cool though.
 
2014-03-08 10:53:03 PM  

boredofedu: I see a total disconnect in this. You go to church on sunday and then go out to dinner? What ever happened to "Keep the Sabbath Day holy"? Is Sunday not the Sabbath?


Only ones I know of that really make a point of trying not to shop etc on Sundays are Mormons.
 
2014-03-08 10:53:09 PM  

Eponymous: Not many true wait staff on here....just a bunch of christian haters and this is how I can tell.....if I had a table of church women and a table of black women, 9 times out of 10 the church women would leave a better tip all things being equal.  It still may be a shiat tip....but the church women would at least leave something.


I wasn't going to go there, but you're right.  Smokers also tipped worse. Losers.
 
2014-03-08 10:54:31 PM  

doloresonthedottedline: boredofedu: I see a total disconnect in this. You go to church on sunday and then go out to dinner? What ever happened to "Keep the Sabbath Day holy"? Is Sunday not the Sabbath?

Only ones I know of that really make a point of trying not to shop etc on Sundays are Mormons.


And anyone with Adventist or Davidian in their name.
 
2014-03-08 10:55:41 PM  

Eponymous: just a bunch of christian haters and this is how I can tell


You can tell they're just a bunch of christian haters because you're a racist?

(those hypothetical black women you're talking about are probably Christian)
 
2014-03-08 10:57:12 PM  

mudmin: trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 402x337]

God and Tipping. If we could work cyclists into the discussion we'd have a trifecta of hate.


I know another way

i141.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-08 10:57:15 PM  

TerminalEchoes: umad: When did the minimum become 20%?

That's what I was thinking. I thought it was 15%.


Both Miss Manners and Emily Post say that the range for tipping is 15-20%. 15% for "good" service and 20% for "great" service. I don't believe Emily Post addresses what to do about poor service, but I believe Miss Manners says 10% is the minimum due to the way wages are structured in the US. Miss Manners dislikes the system of tipping but believes we have a duty to do so regardless of those views.

/in case you wanted the "expert" opinion on the matter
 
2014-03-08 10:57:36 PM  

rustypouch: Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?

I don't know the origins of it.

I just know I'm not going to screw over someone who's bringing me food, just to make a point about something they have no control over.


It started, apparently, in 1977, and got locked into $2.13 an hour forever in 1996.  Other important points: the restaurant still has to "make up the difference" to get their wage to the Federal Minimum, though that obviously means that extra effort will NOT be rewarded because you have to make so darned much in tips just to get past that threshold.

Can't find the reasoning, but I'll bet ya dollars-to-donuts it involved "Only teenagers and kids have these jobs and they do such bad jobs anyway, hem hur hem, no need to ensure their income."  *Mustache tweak*

IIRC that's a Republican Congress and a Democrat President, though the amount of wheeling and dealing involved in a minimum wage hike (as opposed to a congressional pay hike that is automatic) makes that almost meaningless.
 
2014-03-08 10:57:45 PM  
That's a super dick move.  Could be the worst day of a peron's life and that penny might just be the thing to push them over the edge.  As long as you feel  better about yourself with the neat trick to tell some one you don't approve everything is cool though.

Waiters should also realize that not getting a refill on my Diet Coke might be the thing to push me over the edge. Maybe I was just trying to have a nice dinner and contemplate life.  It's cool though. They got their third smoke break this hour. We're good.
 
2014-03-08 11:02:05 PM  
some posters on this thread should really eat at home -

I'd would like to thank those of you who profess to be "non-tippers" - it is causing many establishments in tourist-centric cities to add the tip onto the bill for you (and, yes, it is 20%)

you go on with your bad non-tipping self - owners still have to meet a minimum wage, by law

if you are really twisting on the tines, just ask your server (not that you will, of course) - you might discover that s/he is waiting tables by shifts to pay for tuition to qualify for that "not this job" job

.Too many of the posts here read like "Lord of the Manor" fantasies.....
 
2014-03-08 11:04:16 PM  

cgremlin: Nem Wan: Combine that with "right to work" laws (which are Republican-speak for "right to fire for any reason")

Actually it's "at-will employment".  "Right to work" means that union membership can't be a requirement for a job.


Illinois is a very Democrat state and a very At-Willl Employment state. It promotes unions because no one else has employment protection. All that the boss has to say is "you are not what we are looking for" and they can fire you and there is nothing you can say or do that will protect your job unless you are in a union.
 
2014-03-08 11:05:54 PM  

mudmin: That's a super dick move.  Could be the worst day of a peron's life and that penny might just be the thing to push them over the edge.  As long as you feel  better about yourself with the neat trick to tell some one you don't approve everything is cool though.

Waiters should also realize that not getting a refill on my Diet Coke might be the thing to push me over the edge. Maybe I was just trying to have a nice dinner and contemplate life.  It's cool though. They got their third smoke break this hour. We're good.


Well then let me be the first to say I hope your life improves to the point where you can begin to feel and display empathy and compassion for your fellow human being.  Good luck and best wishes.
 
2014-03-08 11:06:29 PM  

umad: When did the minimum become 20%?


hell, i want to know when the minimum became 15%.  i remember when i was told 12% was a proper tip, and i left that much for years until one of my friends was like "dude why are you leaving so little?"

how are casual restaurant customers supposed to know this magical arbitrary number that counts as an "acceptable" tip?  do the waiters think we're psychic?  i think this is part of the reason people like me don't like tipping at all, because the percent just keeps going up.  pretty soon it will be 25% and then 30% and if i try to argue about it, people will just look down on me like i'm some kind of cheapskate.
 
2014-03-08 11:08:09 PM  
IIRC that's a Republican Congress and a Democrat President, though the amount of wheeling and dealing involved in a minimum wage hike (as opposed to a congressional pay hike that is automatic) makes that almost meaningless.

That's because increasing minimum wage does not somehow "magically" give a restaurant more money. They will cut somewhere. There is a margin that will be maintained and if you increase the wage the restaurant gives its servers, they will put less servers on the floor (or cut some other quality related item) and the waiter will wind up with less money.  You can slice that argument a billion ways, but the money is going to come from ANYWHERE other than the employer's actual pocket.

Minimum wage arguments are not about the poor minimum wage worker. They're about union contracts which are tied to the minimum wage.  (See the WSJ)

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142412788732404890457831854 1 000422454

It has nothing to do with the poor poor pitiful poor, but has everything to do with unions which can be pursueded to vote en masse to whoever gives them the handout (in this case their salary as a multiplier of the minimum wage).
 
2014-03-08 11:14:27 PM  

lohphat: Why should some employees get to rake in tips while other members of the staff don't?


I always wondered about this. The restaurant I worked at had tipped waitstaff that would regularly pull in about $200.00 each in tips over an 8 hour shift. That comes to about $25.00/hour, not counting their regular pay. They were also only required to report tips that would bring their pay up to minimum wage - anything above and beyond that and the employer didn't want to know about it, so it essentially turned into tax-free income for them.

The waitstaff always seemed to have nicer cars, nicer houses, nicer clothes, etc. than the rest of the workers, but they would biatch if a table or two stiffed them on a tip.

Meanwhile the rest of the staff (dishwashers, cooks, hostess, etc. ) were stuck at minimum wage which was something like 5 bucks an hour back then.

I've never really understood the complaints of servers who whine about how much they make. If you're good at what you do, and work at a restaurant with a good reputation and strong client base, you should be able to do all right. If you have a shiatty attitude and work at a Waffle House, you should probably set your expectations lower.
 
2014-03-08 11:15:02 PM  
Minimum? 20% for exceptional service, 15% or very good, 10% for OK service.
The price of restaurant meals has been increasing with inflation, so there's no need for the tip percentage to increase. Why was 10% fine 20 years ago, but now it's 20%?
 
2014-03-08 11:15:06 PM  

Stuart Wolfe: BGates: Min tip is 0% not 20%.

You're an over compensating douche if you think you need to tip 20% minimum.

Do a good job and you'll get a tip.  Do a terrible job and you'll not.  Not that hard to figure out.  Don't want to work for tips, then get a different job.

This.

Although my parents taught me a trick when I was a teenager: always keep a penny in your wallet for the rare occasion when your waiter is completely incompetent - because if they do a terrible job and you leave nothing, they can just assume that you forgot the tip, but placing a penny on the table is a neat way to tell them they were terrible. And I've done that maybe three times in my life to waiters who were so bad I made it a mental note to never eat at that particular restaurant for a few years.

BTW, I'm a pretty generous tipper the rest of the time. These guys work hard and deserve it IMHO.


My then-boyfriend-now-spouse who once worked for tips (valet parking) taught me a trick, too
When given a tip that consisted of change (generally Canadian/European tourists) he would smile sweetly and return it saying: "I guess you need this more than I"

The trick your parents taught you was passive cruelty
 
2014-03-08 11:15:26 PM  
I actually tipped over 20% at a buffet today... why?  Because when service is awesome they deserve it.  The lady was on top of our drinks like clockwork, super friendly, really working hard and when I noticed they were out of my favorite dish on the buffet, they actually made me and my husband up a fresh hot plate (super hot out of the oven) and brought it right to our table before they put any out on the buffet for others to take! (and didn't even charge us extra because the place sells plates of food as well off a menu) Now *THAT* is what I call service!  If they've worked for it, they deserve a good tip, don't be cheap!
 
2014-03-08 11:15:35 PM  

Roja Herring: Well then let me be the first to say I hope your life improves to the point where you can begin to feel and display empathy and compassion for your fellow human being.  Good luck and best wishes.


No...you're right.  I know I was being sarcastic, but what you said is exactly the point.

It works both ways.  This whole article was about a church saying that not all Christians are douches and they wanted to apologize for the way other's have acted.  Waiters, Christians, Cyclists, Republicans, and Democrats are all douches sometime. We all think we're right and f anyone else who doesn't agree with us.

Everyone spends so much time fighting for their right to perfect service or their right to their hand in the customer's wallet that this has all devolved into a set of rules and regulations.

God called the church to be generous and servers are supposed to serve and if both parties do their general job it will all wind up okay.  Sure, some wine-o will take church money and buy booze and some tables won't tip as much as other, but unless you are a terrible waiter or work at a poorly setup restaurant we don't need laws to fix all this. Just everyone be decent human beings or stay home.
 
2014-03-08 11:18:05 PM  

mrlewish: Many of you are absolution asses on tipping. My guess is that you vote republican.


lol, i would think liberals would expect the government to pay the tips with my taxes.
 
2014-03-08 11:25:42 PM  

Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?


Only in the US are you able to Add another ducking thing that the world don't want or need.

Tipping a system for giving providing feedback for a job well done, or done above expatiations.
Tipping is not a salary
Tipping is not a given % of anything

Why If this is so important to a US person, ducking tip at Wendy's ?   I heard fast food salary's are low in the US,

Why I never going back, and if I happen to  need to I map out all fast-food joints before hand so I don't have to Tip a shiat
 
2014-03-08 11:27:28 PM  

Popular Opinion: mrlewish: Many of you are absolution asses on tipping. My guess is that you vote republican.

lol, i would think liberals would expect the government to pay the tips with my taxes.


Conservatives walk like this, but liberals, they walk like this!
 
2014-03-08 11:29:07 PM  
Servers in restaurants generally make almost or more than double what the kitchen staff makes due to tipping. And they feel no shame about it.

Bad system.
 
2014-03-08 11:36:03 PM  
These threads are comedy gold.

CSB time.

When I was younger in the 12-15 age range my friends older brother would get paid by his parents to take us out to eat sometimes.  They would give him $30-$40 to take a few of us out for pizza or something similar.  He would put a stack of quarters on the table and tell the server that was going to be their tip (It was usually like 3 or 4 bucks).  Anytime his drink wasn't full or they didn't do something fast enough for him he would take quarters off the stack.  You can tell where this is going but by the time we left the server ended up with about 50 cents.  Christ that was embarrassing.
 
2014-03-08 11:42:04 PM  

enderthexenocide: umad: When did the minimum become 20%?

hell, i want to know when the minimum became 15%.  i remember when i was told 12% was a proper tip, and i left that much for years until one of my friends was like "dude why are you leaving so little?"

how are casual restaurant customers supposed to know this magical arbitrary number that counts as an "acceptable" tip?  do the waiters think we're psychic?  i think this is part of the reason people like me don't like tipping at all, because the percent just keeps going up.  pretty soon it will be 25% and then 30% and if i try to argue about it, people will just look down on me like i'm some kind of cheapskate.


Pretty easy to look it up. There are apps for it. I think $3 minimum is standard too, isn't it? Or is that just for pizza deliveries?

What I don't get is tipping people who cut your hair. That shiat is weird. I never saw it done growing up, but things say it's expected? But it seems really unnatural. Like. There's no set time where I can easily tip or not tip. .. It's just weird, I dunno. I think Mom would sometimes pay a little more, but never like a "hafta tip every time" thing. Can someone explain that one to me?
 
2014-03-08 11:47:25 PM  

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


I wouldn't say a word to you.  I would go to the manager and tell him or her that you have already been openly hostile to me and I refuse to serve you.  The manager, being someone that I work with on a daily basis and have a good working relationship with, would agree with me and then would ask you to repeat what you said to me.  After hearing your asshole rant, he or she would ask you to leave the restaurant.

"you are not to speak to me" who the FARK do you think you are?  Stay home in your castle, King Socializer.
 
2014-03-08 11:50:12 PM  

NFA: So Christians think of tithing is "tipping" god?


fixed that for thinking humans
 
2014-03-08 11:52:05 PM  

IsNoGood: Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?

Only in the US are you able to Add another ducking thing that the world don't want or need.

Tipping a system for giving providing feedback for a job well done, or done above expatiations.
Tipping is not a salary
Tipping is not a given % of anything

Why If this is so important to a US person, ducking tip at Wendy's ?   I heard fast food salary's are low in the US,

Why I never going back, and if I happen to  need to I map out all fast-food joints before hand so I don't have to Tip a shiat


ROFL
I hope when people come to visit you, that they wear shoes in your house or spit on any and all things different in your country.
 
2014-03-08 11:53:49 PM  

whatshisname: Minimum? 20% for exceptional service, 15% or very good, 10% for OK service.
The price of restaurant meals has been increasing with inflation, so there's no need for the tip percentage to increase. Why was 10% fine 20 years ago, but now it's 20%?


Because the restaurants paid the wait staff less and less.
 
2014-03-08 11:56:23 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18?"

Maybe because I need money more than God does?

/why does God need money?


www.millionaireplayboy.com
 
2014-03-08 11:57:07 PM  

farking_texan: another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.

I wouldn't say a word to you.  I would go to the manager and tell him or her that you have already been openly hostile to me and I refuse to serve you.  The manager, being someone that I work with on a daily basis and have a good working relationship with, would agree with me and then would ask you to repeat what you said to me.  After hearing your asshole rant, he or she would ask you to leave the restaurant.

"you are not to speak to me" who the FARK do you think you are?  Stay home in your castle, King Socializer.


I assumed this was farce - $35 for two - with an up-front $20 tip?
afterwards do we fill the good crystal with Thunderbird and toast our penny-stock performance?
 
2014-03-09 12:02:44 AM  

Roja Herring: Stuart Wolfe: BGates: Min tip is 0% not 20%.

You're an over compensating douche if you think you need to tip 20% minimum.

Do a good job and you'll get a tip.  Do a terrible job and you'll not.  Not that hard to figure out.  Don't want to work for tips, then get a different job.

This.

Although my parents taught me a trick when I was a teenager: always keep a penny in your wallet for the rare occasion when your waiter is completely incompetent - because if they do a terrible job and you leave nothing, they can just assume that you forgot the tip, but placing a penny on the table is a neat way to tell them they were terrible. And I've done that maybe three times in my life to waiters who were so bad I made it a mental note to never eat at that particular restaurant for a few years.

BTW, I'm a pretty generous tipper the rest of the time. These guys work hard and deserve it IMHO.

That's a super dick move.  Could be the worst day of a peron's life and that penny might just be the thing to push them over the edge.  As long as you feel  better about yourself with the neat trick to tell some one you don't approve everything is cool though.


Glad to hear it, especially since you seem to have  missed the other parts of the post where I said I'm a generous poster otherwise, and that I respect the hard work they do, oh and the fact that I've only done that three times in my life - and let me assure you, the waiting they did those three times was so bad they earned that penny, so to speak. But as long as you feel better ignoring all of that, I'm cool too.

Heck, I'm sure most of us here have had a day when everything went wrong and still had to go to work. The point is that while you are at work and you are getting paid to so, it's your responsibility to act like the professional you are or call in sick, but no one should be allowed to pass off their terrible day onto someone else without some kind of consequence.  They're being paid to do a good job representing the restaurant, and I tip big when they do at least a decent job doing so. If they do such a bad job that I want to avoid the place for years, so be it.
 
2014-03-09 12:03:58 AM  

thaduke: proper 20% minimum

Subby sounds poor and cheap.  The  proper minimum now is $30 or 30%, whichever is greater.  If you can't afford it, best stay home and eat Ramen.


When I waited tables I hated serving old people.  They never gave decent tips.  Now I know why.

When I waited 15% was expected/average and 20% was a good tip.  I've long quit waiting and usually tip 20% unless the service is sub-par for 15%.  In my head 20% is generous.  Why the time I'm 70, 20% will be an insult to the wait staff.


This realization has be believing that the whole tipping culture of the US needs to go away.  Give wait staff a decent wage and include the wage in the price of the food.
 
2014-03-09 12:08:48 AM  
Ahahahahaha 20% yeah sure more like 10 and 15 if you're exceptional
 
2014-03-09 12:10:12 AM  

rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.


img.fark.net

If you intend to give me inadequate service or spit in my food because I don't tip, then you have to tell me before I'm seated.  That way I can spend my money somewhere else.
 
2014-03-09 12:12:05 AM  

mudmin: Waitstaff needs to just suck it up with the individual tables and look at the average and shut up.

I worked at a crappy Ponderosa Steakhouse/Buffet from 93-95 as a high school student. Worked my butt off but never left the restaurant with less than an avg of $18/hr. For someone without a high school diploma. At a buffet.  Some people are going to tip well. Some are going to stiff you.  If you can't make $12 per hour on average at a restaurant, you're in the wrong line of work.

Waiters should also realize that real businesses face the same thing. Grocery store owners have things called loss leaders.  Sure, they sell some things below cost to get people in the door. Some people may come and buy those few items but most will buy more, so it works out for them in the end.

Welcome to the real world. Not every table is "fair"


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-03-09 12:17:02 AM  

Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?


http://is.gd/Dic1h7
 
2014-03-09 12:19:17 AM  
My goal reguarding tipping is to tip enough so that the next time i order, there's a fist fight between servers on who gets to bring me my food. And that no matter who's working, they all want to help me if there's an issue with anything. Works out very well.
 
2014-03-09 12:20:24 AM  

The Southern Dandy: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.



If you intend to give me inadequate service or spit in my food because I don't tip, then you have to tell me before I'm seated.  That way I can spend my money somewhere else.


You are aware that if you don't tip, you're costing the server money?

I don't think anyone would feel bad if the they don't have the pleasure of working for you.
 
2014-03-09 12:25:15 AM  
There are a lot of cheap ass people in this thread.
 
2014-03-09 12:28:10 AM  
"In the future, all tipping will be done this way"
http://youtu.be/V1ZZWhSvOMI
 
2014-03-09 12:29:41 AM  
Everybody stop, shut up, go read Seneca letter 47 http://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Moral_ letters_to_Lucilius/Letter_47

Now, realize that the gist is still true. You might still wind up on the other side of the service industry divide, no matter how high and mighty you think your ass has risen.

Also, I think letter 47 lays out how super villains get henchmen willing to die for them.
 
2014-03-09 12:29:56 AM  
"Tipping threads are starting to keep me from eating out with my family."

I hear ya, who needs the hassle.
 
2014-03-09 12:30:15 AM  

rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.


I have a moral objection to the gratuity system, but I tip well. Actually left the jimmy John's guy a twenty for a larger delivery, even though he probably drove all of three minutes to get to us. I figure that'll get sandwiches to the L and D unit really fast though.

But yeah, people should just have a canned living wage and benefits, and my bill should have taxes and that's it. Under that system, if you want to reward servers, stop by the manager and say that you had a great experience and will come back because of so and so's service. Or have comment cards. That way managers can figure out who their stars are and move them up, nobody has to grovel, nobody has to feel guilty for only leaving eighteen percent (cuz some farking asses here seem to always suggest twenty five now. Really?), and everybody has a good time and stable job. I'll gladly pay six dollars for my five dollar burger to get that.

/did give a twenty five percent tip today, but it was a small bill in a cheaper place and I considered the time he spent with us and the patience with the kids he had. Otherwise fifteen if the dishes were expensive but we didn't take up much time at the table, and eighteen to twenty in typical situations.
 
2014-03-09 12:33:28 AM  

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


Notsureifserious.jpg
 
2014-03-09 12:34:12 AM  

parasol: farking_texan: 

"you are not to speak to me" who the FARK do you think you are?  Stay home in your castle, King Socializer.

I assumed this was farce - $35 for two - with an up-front $20 tip?
afterwards do we fill the good crystal with Thunderbird and toast our penny-stock performance?


You assume that this dude actually intends to give a server $20 at some point.  He does not.
 
2014-03-09 12:35:45 AM  
20% a "starting" tip? Maybe in the U.S., but here in Canada, most of the people I know would tip 15-20% for good service, and only more than 20% for truly excellent service. Then again, servers make more than $3 an hour here (I think the minimum for non-alcohol servers in Ontario is something like $7-8).

My rule of thumb is to add about a third to the pre-tax amount owed. Including sales taxes, that usually works out to about an 18-20% tip (depending on whether or not you tip on the tax).
 
2014-03-09 12:36:13 AM  
I tend to go back to restaurants that me and my family like, so I tip well. In exchange, we tend to get appetizers or drinks comped by the manager or owner in many of the places we frequent, and servers who are always happy to see us everywhere we frequent.
 
2014-03-09 12:38:07 AM  
The basic tip has always been 15% for me.  I'm usually more in the 20% range (even if money is tight,) as long as the server actually acts likes they give a shiat and stop by my table more than once.  I've rarely had terrible service from waitstaff in general, but the few times I have I still left something.
 
2014-03-09 12:39:17 AM  

Eponymous: Not many true wait staff on here....just a bunch of christian haters and this is how I can tell.....if I had a table of church women and a table of black women, 9 times out of 10 the church women would leave a better tip all things being equal.  It still may be a shiat tip....but the church women would at least leave something.


the black women ARE church women
 
2014-03-09 12:41:12 AM  
In that tip-free restaurant article I posted above, there was an interesting effect that the owner noticed.  Many of the customers were offended at not being able to tip because they thought it was their right to punish the servers.  Some of the behavior went far beyond merely punishing bad service.  He talks about customers who were openly abusive to the staff, who deliberately nit-picked everything about their experience so that they could get out of tipping (or get a free meal), and who simply wanted to take out their frustrations on someone they considered lessers.  Without tipping, they lost that power and it enraged them.  The owner talks about one food blogger who called out a server by name on her blog.  When the owner told her he thought that was inappropriate, she responded that it was the only way she had to punish the server since she couldn't tip.

The kicker is that the punishment rarely works.  For every douchebag who leaves a penny, you have someone like me who naturally overtips so that it all evens out in the long run.  Unless you're just such a prick that you leave a lasting impression, the server probably isn't even going to remember you by the end of the day.
 
2014-03-09 12:43:36 AM  

30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.


Speaking again ad an anti tipper, the waitress doesn't keep all of that. She gives a cut to almost everybody in the restaurant from the bar to the host or hostess.

I've been lucky in life, I studied for a long time and for a ling time I didn't have money to tip extravagantly, but I budgeted and always tipped appropriately. Now I've started my career and am making good money so I am enjoying tipping nicely, if only to make somebody's day and walk away before they even knew what hit them (only ti brag in the anonymous internet). However, I'm enjoying this now because it's a bit of a novelty right now. It still doesn't change the fact that the system sucks and I would wholeheartedly support scrapping the tip.
 
2014-03-09 12:45:53 AM  

bboy: Fluid: Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?

Assuming you're not in the U.S... "Minimum Wage" for waitstaff in the U.S. is like $2.30 an hour or so, forcing them to rely on tips to earn a living wage.  I do not know the history of that law.


That's just simply untrue. The law is that if your tips+wage does not add up to the normal minimum wage then your employer must make up the difference.
 
2014-03-09 12:45:59 AM  

NoahFenze: There are a lot of cheap ass people in this thread.


So you also Tip 20% at fast food ?

Bad system, if somehow you think this hidden cost to something your already paid for, but if you think it make you save money go a head and drop what you want because you feel you " need"
 
2014-03-09 12:46:26 AM  

vitamink619: The basic tip has always been 15% for me.  I'm usually more in the 20% range (even if money is tight,) as long as the server actually acts likes they give a shiat and stop by my table more than once.  I've rarely had terrible service from waitstaff in general, but the few times I have I still left something.


EXACTLY.  You want good service?  Act like a decent human being and treat your server with respect.  If they are really bad, that's a reflection on the owner and you should punish him by not giving him your business.

I've seen it over and over again.  The first couple of times you get the canned server performance.  After a few visits though, their attitude changes.  They recognize you, they know you aren't going to walk out on a tab or grab their ass or any of the stupid crap customers do.  They're friendlier, they anticipate your order, they throw in the occasional freebie.  In the end you get far better service than you would by leaving a penny as a tip.
 
2014-03-09 12:49:22 AM  
1. Way off course there, Mr. Roberts (he's hardly a "pastor")
2. Roberts is also classically ignorant of History
3. Head bangingly ignorant
 
2014-03-09 12:50:07 AM  

NoahFenze: There are a lot of cheap ass people evangelicals in this thread.


FTFM
 
2014-03-09 12:50:20 AM  
As former dishwasher/back of the house/prep I say waiters/waitresses can go fark themselves. They swan about like they are farking gods and think they are the gods gift to mankind. I can't wait for automated ordering systems to come in and put them all out of work.
 
2014-03-09 12:56:58 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-09 12:59:23 AM  

Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?


I doubt she gives God 10%. More likely she gives to a shady middleman,  or to herself, being one of those middlemen and all. Me, I have an agreement directly with God; anything he needs, 10%, 20%, 100% or whatever, he can magic out of my bank account whenever he likes. So far he's been really cool and hasn't needed one penny.
 
2014-03-09 01:06:37 AM  

Mad_Radhu: /Usually do 20% because I'm too lazy to do the math on 15%.


Because dividing by 10 and doubling  is so much easier than dividing by 10, then half that  again?

/wasn't it 12% standard at one point?  Now that'd take some calculation
//tips 20% because I thought it'd help wait staff remember me.  Sad if that's just standard
 
2014-03-09 01:18:40 AM  

IsNoGood: Why I never going back, and if I happen to need to I map out all fast-food joints before hand so I don't have to Tip a shiat


Gee, we'll really miss you Charlie.
 
2014-03-09 01:19:40 AM  
15-20% depending on service, and round up to the next dollar.  It's amazing how that extra $0.67 makes servers treat you like a damn philanthropist.
 
2014-03-09 01:23:54 AM  
I've got this. Cut in half. Extra plate.
 
2014-03-09 01:36:57 AM  
tip mafia:  "you have to tip your waiter because they make less than minimum wage."

reality 1: 15% of a single couple's $35 food bill plus their received wage is about equal to minimum wage.  So, if minimum wage was the issue, this would be for serving eight couples per day.. in other words, a day's pay for roughly 40 minutes of work, total.   Even if you set the numbers for a really inexpensive restaurant, the reality that "minimum wage" is not really the issue becomes obvious.

reality 2:  and yet those tipping websites insist that you tip all sorts of people who clearly do make more than minimum wage.

reality 3:  let's call tipping for what it really is: a pathway to income tax fraud resulting in probably as much as $10b in under-reported income, yearly.
 
2014-03-09 01:41:33 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: reality 3: let's call tipping for what it really is: a pathway


electronicsclub.info

/ HA HA!
 
2014-03-09 01:54:55 AM  
i.imgur.com

Know what the rest of the world pays?

$36.99

I know, it's mindblowing!
 
2014-03-09 03:09:39 AM  

blipponaut: Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.


losangeles.bitter-lemons.com
Agrees.
 
2014-03-09 03:09:49 AM  
I don't really care either way. I'll tip if the waiters good or I won't if they're bad.

I do hate the argument "If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out to eat", though. Obviously it isn't true because I ate out, you were a shiatty waiter, I paid for my meal, and I didn't tip you.
 
2014-03-09 03:11:54 AM  
Minimum 20%?

I just have to ask, is this one of those "witty" headlines designed to outrage someone enough to set up a "welcome to fark" response?
 
2014-03-09 03:12:17 AM  
I've been a Sonic carhop, but never a waitress. I did work as a cook in an Italian restaurant back in college, though, and we were paid well above minimum wage. But I was raised to remember a very simple thing: A few extra dollars over 20% on a 20 dollar ticket is a very cheap way to help raise the spirits of someone who might have had a really bad shift. I'm currently between full time jobs. I'm freelance writing just to make enough money to live on. If I go out to a restaurant, I still tip at least 30%. Because I've seen the look on too many waiters' and waitress' faces when they've worked their asses off on orders only to be tipped maybe a buck fifty total for a party of ten (there was no automatic gratuity in the restaurant I worked in). Not tipping isn't about principle; it's just an easy way for petty, mean people to feel superior to the people who are serving their food (and probably working much longer days than they ever will).
 
2014-03-09 03:27:26 AM  

umad: When did the minimum become 20%?


It's ridiculous if I don't pay the staffs salary I'm the cheap piece of shiat. That's liberals for ya though, make the choice to work at a place that pays below minimum wage then pass responsibility/consequences of said choice on to someone else.
 
2014-03-09 03:30:53 AM  

Gdalescrboz: It's ridiculous if I don't pay the staffs salary I'm the cheap piece of shiat. That's liberals for ya though, make the choice to work at a place that pays below minimum wage then pass responsibility/consequences of said choice on to someone else.


Funny, I always thought that setting the system up to screw the workers and save the company and owners money sounded like a conservative ideal.  Meanwhile liberals are the ones pushing for these places to actually PAY a living wage so we don't HAVE to tip to make it up.

Try not being a partisan twatwaffle in every aspect of life.
 
2014-03-09 03:32:40 AM  
I don't go out to eat all that often anymore because the job situation in Ohio sucks. There are more restaurants than any other business around here, and they all employ college/high school students who really don't want to work in the food service industry -- and to be quite honest, I can't say I blame them. But they have no real choice.

Unfortunately, because their heart isn't into it, and they're generally pretty farking unhappy and depressed, it shows in their work. They're extremely obvious with faking nice. They try to get you out the door within 30 seconds of your main course hitting your table. You aren't even finished putting your napkin on your lap before they're asking you if you want a box to take your food home in. If they aren't hovering around your table like a vulture putting pressure on you to leave, then they're straight up ignoring you. I eat my food leisurely at a restaurant so I can appreciate the company at my table, so if my glass is empty for most of the conversation, and I end up having to flag another waiter/waitress down to fill my order, my current server isn't going to get a very big tip.

It's gotten to the point where I've had so many bad experiences, that I'm getting tired of biatching to management about how shiatty their staff is (and this is at multiple restaurants), and I don't consider myself an unreasonable customer. I don't make any unusual demands. I don't try to haggle, I don't ask a million questions, I don't ever ask how much longer my food will be. I remain as polite as a guest should be expected to be.

But if that respect isn't returned (over and over again, it seems), then I really have no desire to go out to eat anymore. I just cook my own food or I order a pizza -- the delivery drivers are usually way more polite (depending on the establishment), and I give them a decent tip each time they show up to my doorstep.

But if I go to another city, like New York City, or L.A., Orlando, or what have you... the staff there are nothing but polite and go out of their way to make sure your stay at their eating establishment was a nice one and will comp you on things I never would have expected to be comped before. I know my food arrived 10 minutes later than the waiter said it should have been, and knocked off 10% off my bill.

That kind of shiat never happens in Ohio. If you wait 10 minutes longer than you should have, not only would your waiter not say anything, but even if you asked they'd tell you to get over it.
 
2014-03-09 03:34:26 AM  

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


I absolutely cannot abide chatty servers. We can be civil, but it's none of the server's business "how I'm doing" and since when did adults (men AND women) become "guys" as in, "Can I get you guys a cocktail before dinner?" I know they mean well though, so it doesn't affect the tip. I'm pretty generous; I was a waiter for three years and loved it.

Honest mistakes? No problem.
Rudeness? That's a stiffin'.
 
2014-03-09 03:38:05 AM  

TomD9938: another cultural observer: Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


I'm fairly tall and will hold a ten dollar bill over a servers head and let them keep it if they've got the vertical to reach it within three tries.  It's good fun for my guests and (Im guessing) the staff as well.

If they did a good job they get 10% too, so the $10.00 is pure bonus.


If you're not trolling, this makes you a complete asshole.
 
2014-03-09 03:46:48 AM  

superdude72: From the article:
Roberts said that his church members are planning to write out apologies to every single poster. They will also send a server a Food City gift card that can be used for groceries or gas.

A GIFT CARD?! The message received is, "Not all Christians are condescending assholes. And by the way, your lowly status in society means you can't be trusted with cash."


Oh, unclench, libtard. What are they supposed to do, send cash in the mail? The card is for groceries or gas. Do you know ANYONE who doesn't spend money on either of those things? The man is trying to do something actually Christian and you're busting his balls? Really? What a dick.
 
2014-03-09 04:08:38 AM  

slotz: I absolutely cannot abide chatty servers. We can be civil, but it's none of the server's business "how I'm doing" and since when did adults (men AND women) become "guys" as in, "Can I get you guys a cocktail before dinner?" I know they mean well though, so it doesn't affect the tip. I'm pretty generous; I was a waiter for three years and loved it.

Honest mistakes? No problem.
Rudeness? That's a stiffin'.


So you like punitive reinforcement? Relax. They're just doing a job to make some money, not give the invisible hand a dutch rudder. It's called "going out to dinner" not "I'll go wherever you want". If they don't do their job well, go somewhere else. Rand PAUL!
 
2014-03-09 04:11:30 AM  

Farker Soze: Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?

I doubt she gives God 10%. More likely she gives to a shady middleman,  or to herself, being one of those middlemen and all. Me, I have an agreement directly with God; anything he needs, 10%, 20%, 100% or whatever, he can magic out of my bank account whenever he likes. So far he's been really cool and hasn't needed one penny.


when i feed hungry people at the shelter or outreach, i consider that giving to god.
 
2014-03-09 04:14:12 AM  

Fista-Phobia: slotz: I absolutely cannot abide chatty servers. We can be civil, but it's none of the server's business "how I'm doing" and since when did adults (men AND women) become "guys" as in, "Can I get you guys a cocktail before dinner?" I know they mean well though, so it doesn't affect the tip. I'm pretty generous; I was a waiter for three years and loved it.

Honest mistakes? No problem.
Rudeness? That's a stiffin'.

So you like punitive reinforcement? Relax. They're just doing a job to make some money, not give the invisible hand a dutch rudder. It's called "going out to dinner" not "I'll go wherever you want". If they don't do their job well, go somewhere else. Rand PAUL!


You reward rudeness? You're drunk and you didn't read my post. Sleep it off and get back to me.
 
2014-03-09 04:20:24 AM  

slotz: Fista-Phobia: slotz: I absolutely cannot abide chatty servers. We can be civil, but it's none of the server's business "how I'm doing" and since when did adults (men AND women) become "guys" as in, "Can I get you guys a cocktail before dinner?" I know they mean well though, so it doesn't affect the tip. I'm pretty generous; I was a waiter for three years and loved it.

Honest mistakes? No problem.
Rudeness? That's a stiffin'.

So you like punitive reinforcement? Relax. They're just doing a job to make some money, not give the invisible hand a dutch rudder. It's called "going out to dinner" not "I'll go wherever you want". If they don't do their job well, go somewhere else. Rand PAUL!

You reward rudeness? You're drunk and you didn't read my post. Sleep it off and get back to me.


Nope. I do surmise that if the wait staff is being rude to you, I suspect you work hard for comps. Point is, you most likely brought it on yourself OR you kick it at The Sizzler and DEMAND SATISFACTION!
 
2014-03-09 04:25:51 AM  
I have waited tables before...... at a few places.

I had an Australian customer when I worked in a casino restaurant in Las Vegas. He tried to tell me that I should move to Australia where they would pay me a living wage between $15-$20.

He didn't believe me that because of tips, I made just under $50 an hour.

/this has not been my experience (financially) everywhere that I've waited tables however.
 
2014-03-09 04:29:12 AM  

Sammichless: I had an Australian customer when I worked in a casino restaurant in Las Vegas. He tried to tell me that I should move to Australia where they would pay me a living wage between $15-$20.


booksbrainsandbeer.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-09 04:42:08 AM  

Fista-Phobia: slotz: Fista-Phobia: slotz: I absolutely cannot abide chatty servers. We can be civil, but it's none of the server's business "how I'm doing" and since when did adults (men AND women) become "guys" as in, "Can I get you guys a cocktail before dinner?" I know they mean well though, so it doesn't affect the tip. I'm pretty generous; I was a waiter for three years and loved it.

Honest mistakes? No problem.
Rudeness? That's a stiffin'.

So you like punitive reinforcement? Relax. They're just doing a job to make some money, not give the invisible hand a dutch rudder. It's called "going out to dinner" not "I'll go wherever you want". If they don't do their job well, go somewhere else. Rand PAUL!

You reward rudeness? You're drunk and you didn't read my post. Sleep it off and get back to me.

Nope. I do surmise that if the wait staff is being rude to you, I suspect you work hard for comps. Point is, you most likely brought it on yourself OR you kick it at The Sizzler and DEMAND SATISFACTION!


Wrong again, amigo. Have you ever waited tables? I have, and loved it, as I said. I guess we just don't agree on what constitutes rudeness. I'm a very gracious customer because I know what it's like to wait tables. Everyone should have to do it for a year. It's a real education.
 
2014-03-09 06:00:03 AM  

umad: When did the minimum become 20%?


Exactly?

I tip 20% on average, but if the service is terrible its 10-15%.
 
2014-03-09 06:34:42 AM  

Sammichless: I have waited tables before...... at a few places.

I had an Australian customer when I worked in a casino restaurant in Las Vegas. He tried to tell me that I should move to Australia where they would pay me a living wage between $15-$20.

He didn't believe me that because of tips, I made just under $50 an hour.

/this has not been my experience (financially) everywhere that I've waited tables however.


You don't get good service anywhere in Australia, and it has nothing to do with tipping or the lack of it.

Australians are proud and aggressive, and see service work as a form of submission and thus beneath them.  The only thing an Australian wait staff is thinking off when they serve you is how to prove by acts of hostility and neglect that they are in now way below anyone despite their profession.

If you came to Australia and actually provided good service, you'd likely drown in tips because customers here are so unaccustomed to it.
 
2014-03-09 07:00:56 AM  
If you think you're entitled to some overinflated tip scale simply because you chose to be a waiter/waitress, you really need to reflect on where your life went wrong.

Don't like relying on tips?  Get a different job.

/ worked at Chi-Chi's for 4 months and moved on. Maybe you should too.
 
2014-03-09 07:18:10 AM  

rustypouch: The Southern Dandy: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

If you intend to give me inadequate service or spit in my food because I don't tip, then you have to tell me before I'm seated.  That way I can spend my money somewhere else.

You are aware that if you don't tip, you're costing the server money?

I don't think anyone would feel bad if the they don't have the pleasure of working for you.


 I'll need to copy this for all the other times I meant to post in a tipping thread. (That didn't involve cows).

I have worked in the service industry my entire life. I have no idea where some of you have worked; but at no time, anywhere, ever have I seen anyone "REALLY" do anything to a customers food/drink. Sure...it's a running joke joke. Really though? I would make sure that person didn't even finish the shift.

 If you don't tip, you most likely ARE costing your server $.  They usually have to tip out an arbitrary amount. Maybe 3% of their sales. Servers are generally paid minimum wage (sometimes less). The picture posted I'm going to use in the future. You take the job and the pay, under the assumption, that with great performance can reap great rewards. It does usually.

  We talked about this at work tonight a bit. You remember the customers who tip. The priority for serving him/her in your section is WAY at the top. Someone you've never seen before or don't recall? it's your job do the best you can and make them happy (It's still your friggen job no matter what). Someone you don't like or doesn't tip. The attitude is just "meh". Not good or bad.....and that's kinda the service they get. Just  "whatever".  That's kind of the reality at any place I've worked. It's not so much that today your server cares.....are you going back though. You WILL be remembered, and you will likely get the service you deserve. Quite frankly if you don't tip, or can't? Stay home, order a pizza.

  That may ruffle a feather or two. "The service you deserve."   Correct.  You deserve the absolute best possible! If you do not get it, then do not pay for it, and PLEASE let your server know why! This may be a shock, but constructive criticism works. I guarantee the next time your in it will be amazing. If the service was excellent? PAY for it. He/she will never forget and you can count on them trying even harder your next visit.

  We don't go out too often, but it is generally to one of the same 4-5 places. I tip a bit more than maybe I should. If I couldn't afford to, then I'd stay home. I will tell you. The service is never anything less than stunning.
/Granted, I don't eat at Denny's though
//unless it's breakfast on the road.
///McD's is a more likely road breakfast.
 
2014-03-09 07:27:30 AM  

blipponaut: Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.


But how can we be more like the Europeans if we don't tip or drink bottled water ?
 
2014-03-09 07:39:58 AM  

somemoron: And that. How about just giving people living wages. Not making millionaires or anything, just something better than 'supplement your income here with food stamps'. Frankly, it's enlightened self-interest. Better pay gets you better attitude, better attitude gets you better performance.


B-b-b-but think of those poor stockholders. You don't want them to get their dividends?
They work so hard all day, pushing those stacks of paper and wielding those extremely heavy pens to sign their names,  Such hard work,
 
2014-03-09 07:40:06 AM  

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


You're a pretty unbearable person, aren't you.
 
2014-03-09 08:01:01 AM  
The 20% minimum is only there for very bad service. The going rate now is around 1/3, which rounds up to 35% or so for average service. Ideally pleasant waiters should get ~45% or just an even 50%.
 
2014-03-09 08:32:48 AM  
I always tip at least 25 percent.

And the worse the service, the more I tip.

I feel a kinship with those who do a bad job.
 
2014-03-09 09:07:06 AM  

Stuart Wolfe: Although my parents taught me a trick when I was a teenager: always keep a penny in your wallet for the rare occasion when your waiter is completely incompetent - because if they do a terrible job and you leave nothing, they can just assume that you forgot the tip, but placing a penny on the table is a neat way to tell them they were terrible.


You know what's an even better way to let them know? Simply write "no tip, terrible service" on your bill. But the best way, they way that will really have the most and best impact, is to speak with the hostess (or Maitre' D, or manager) on your way out and tell them that your service was terrible, and give the tip to them with the instructions that it be given to the kitchen staff (assuming the food was good. If the food and service were both terrible, don't bother).

That way, the shiatty server gets what he deserves - both on the way of a tip as well as the necessity of explaining it to his boss - and the people running the place know that you're not one of those jerkoffs who stiffs the staff. It also allows for the unlikely  possibility that the server might have a damned good reason for whatever actually happened that you don't know, and will still be able get some portion of that tip (if appropriate) when he is forced to explain it all to the boss.
 
2014-03-09 09:17:47 AM  

Albinoman: bboy: Fluid: Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?

Assuming you're not in the U.S... "Minimum Wage" for waitstaff in the U.S. is like $2.30 an hour or so, forcing them to rely on tips to earn a living wage.  I do not know the history of that law.

That's just simply untrue. The law is that if your tips+wage does not add up to the normal minimum wage then your employer must make up the difference.


Not sure if trolling, but I'll bite anyway in case 1. You're serious or 2. Someone else out there might be convinced of this. Yes, it's the law. It's also nearly impossible for an employee as replaceable as a server in the U.S. to call an employer out on it. The power imbalance in that scenario is massive. Actually complying with the law means more effort and more expenditure on the restaurant's part, so guess what happens if they know they're not likely going to be held to account?

The entire tipping system needs to die. I know this is unlikely in the foreseeable future, but I'm on board. Pay servers a living wage and give people one actual, final-total bill for their meal out. The entire rest of the world can do it, why not North America?
 
2014-03-09 09:18:30 AM  
For the Xtians who pull the 10% to God thing, you don't give 18% or 20% of your INCOME as tips, dumbass.  You're giving a percent of your actual bill.  The percentage of your income that goes to tips per year is probably miniscule.  If you're spending your ENTIRE INCOME on dining out and therefore 18-20% on tips then you might have to re-think all of your budgeting.

Stop being a cheap, entitled jerk and pay for your service.


/not a server and don't work for tips, but have employed many of them and seen/heard it all
 
2014-03-09 09:35:25 AM  

super_grass: The 20% minimum is only there for very bad service. The going rate now is around 1/3, which rounds up to 35% or so for average service. Ideally pleasant waiters should get ~45% or just an even 50%.


You are high.
 
2014-03-09 09:44:43 AM  
oh great, another tipping thread

obligatory post about living wage

obligatory post about snot in your soup

obligatory post about some off-topic csb

obligatory post about reforming the system

obligatory post about ha-ha i don't tip ever

obligatory post about ha-ha i tip every table in the house

goto 10
 
2014-03-09 09:47:07 AM  

Farker Soze: Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?

I doubt she gives God 10%. More likely she gives to a shady middleman,  or to herself, being one of those middlemen and all. Me, I have an agreement directly with God; anything he needs, 10%, 20%, 100% or whatever, he can magic out of my bank account whenever he likes. So far he's been really cool and hasn't needed one penny.


She only gives God 10% because she asked for eternal salvation and he brought her mediocre wine and stale bread.
 
2014-03-09 09:55:37 AM  

Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?


It's 10% like God gets, and the other 8% is for having to put up with people who don't now the difference between righteous and and self-righteous.
 
2014-03-09 09:59:32 AM  

zepillin: Eponymous: Not many true wait staff on here....just a bunch of christian haters and this is how I can tell.....if I had a table of church women and a table of black women, 9 times out of 10 the church women would leave a better tip all things being equal.  It still may be a shiat tip....but the church women would at least leave something.

the black women ARE church women


That's racist.
 
2014-03-09 10:01:53 AM  

Popular Opinion: Farker Soze: Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?

I doubt she gives God 10%. More likely she gives to a shady middleman,  or to herself, being one of those middlemen and all. Me, I have an agreement directly with God; anything he needs, 10%, 20%, 100% or whatever, he can magic out of my bank account whenever he likes. So far he's been really cool and hasn't needed one penny.

when i feed hungry people at the shelter or outreach, i consider that giving to god.


Every time you forgive someone, you're giving to God.

Every time you give love and not hate, you're giving to God.

:)
 
2014-03-09 10:04:09 AM  

Slagnasty: Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?

They figured the servers would be able to make up the difference in tips. In a good restaurant with customers who aren't walking pieces of garbage this is true. When you throw either a shiatty restaurant or farkhead customers into the mix the numbers don't add up anymore.


"They figured..." should read as "The Restaurant Association's caveat for supporting the first "minimum wage" law was that they would be exempted from it for wait staff. That's why tipping amounts increase over the years, because the amount of money wait staff gets paid hasnt budged in like 30 years and we have this thing called inflation.

It boils down to restaurant lobbies saying they cant afford it, but in a lot of places tipping is mandatory (because $2.30 is cruel), so patrons really can afford it, restaurant owners are just cheap bastards, and the indentured-servant business model is most appealing to them.

Tipping should be outlawed and wait staff should be paid a living wage.
 
2014-03-09 10:04:34 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: somemoron: And that. How about just giving people living wages. Not making millionaires or anything, just something better than 'supplement your income here with food stamps'. Frankly, it's enlightened self-interest. Better pay gets you better attitude, better attitude gets you better performance.

B-b-b-but think of those poor stockholders. You don't want them to get their dividends?
They work so hard all day, pushing those stacks of paper and wielding those extremely heavy pens to sign their names,  Such hard work,


You sound poor.
 
2014-03-09 10:12:53 AM  
fark obligation tips.  I'll leave a tip if I'm really impressed with someone's service, but I'm not going to do it out of pity for their third world wages or some sense of duty to seem like a good member of society.  The bottom line is that I don't care about anyone I don't know unless they provide me with some reason to, whether through association or action.  The difference between me and you is that I admit it freely and don't feel ashamed or embarrassed into lying about it to others.

If you want a tip, earn it by being exemplary.  You don't earn it by just being there, regardless of whether the social consensus says you do.  A tip is a bonus from me to you, and considering how hard it is to earn a bonus in any other industry I'm not inclined to feel anyone deserves one for handing me a menu and carrying a plate to my table (which is honestly all most servers do).  Servers aren't even necessary at all unless you're in an upscale place and need recommendations on the daily special or which wine to drink with your meal.  Evidence lies in the existence of places like Kaitenzushi (conveyor belt sushi) restaurants here in Japan, where you browse the available items and order them using a touch screen at your table and then wait for your order to come out to your table.  No interaction with staff, except to be greeted as you enter and thanked as you leave.  It's efficient, cost-effective and leaves no possibility for poor service or entitled rage at customers from the staff.

Other restaurants here use the touch screens as well and I have to say it's incredibly effective, especially since you can send an order to the kitchen without flagging down or waiting for a server.  Yet other restaurants have a button at the table allowing you to summon a server with a single press, something I know even the most heavily-tipped servers in North America would be completely unable to tolerate. 

For those restaurants here that do use the traditional server system the service is always amazing, and that's without tips of any kind.  Servers here don't get paid much - certainly no more than a fry cook at McDonalds would.  Consider the cost of living here compared with most small cities or towns in the US/Canada and they probably have less spending power than any downtrodden server who complains about low tippers back home.  Good service is a requirement of the job, not something I have to bribe you for.  If your job pays too little and you want me to feel sorry for you, I can't.  Get a new job.  If you're not qualified, go back to school.  If you can't afford it or refuse to, just accept your lot in life and try to make the best of it that you can through your own actions.  Whining about others isn't going to get you squat.
 
2014-03-09 10:26:43 AM  
I'm quite surprised that none of the self-righteous pro-tipping crowd (servers or ex-servers mostly it seemed) responded to my post regarding the income disparity between those who make the food (actually provide a service) and the leeches who profit undeservedly off their labour.

Perhaps it's indefensible.
 
2014-03-09 10:41:50 AM  
It's almost as if many of you on this thread don't comprehend the difference between eating at a fast food place and having an actual dining experience at a fine food establishment.
 
2014-03-09 10:48:40 AM  
Christians are such Jews.
 
2014-03-09 10:57:03 AM  

30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.


Your expectation is unrealistic.  If the servers were paid even minimum wage, then the price of your meal, plus what you might have paid via tip, would be higher.  And servers are some of the hardest working people in this society.

Anyone who uses the term 'entitled' to sneer at people who work their asses off is a Grade A Asshole.
 
2014-03-09 11:00:44 AM  

mudmin: mrlewish: Many of you are absolution asses on tipping. My guess is that you vote republican.

I'm a libertarian, but most studies I've read say that Republicans are more generous across the board than Democrats.

Democrats are more generous with other people's tax money.

Thanks Obama.

/I'll just leave that right there and go to bed.


Those are studies that include tithing at church.  Once you factor that out, no, Republicans are skinflints.
 
2014-03-09 11:05:51 AM  

Huggermugger: 30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.

Your expectation is unrealistic.  If the servers were paid even minimum wage, then the price of your meal, plus what you might have paid via tip, would be higher.  And servers are some of the hardest working people in this society.

Anyone who uses the term 'entitled' to sneer at people who work their asses off is a Grade A Asshole.


Servers are some of the hardest workers in society? Citation?

I know that where I work, the back of house routinely works 11 hours a day and walks with less than servers who work 5.

Back of house has to carry heavy things, burns/cuts themselves routinely, get on their knees to sweep under the pass, smell/taste possibly offensive food and utilize schooling and finesse to provide a beautiful and tasty dish that servers drop (often unprofessionally) on tables.

In fact, the only thing servers complain about more than not being treated like rock star gods via tipping is customers in general. Usually as they count fat, tax free stacks.

That said, kitchen workers aren't even some of the hardest working people in society. You're either willfully ignorant or in the dark.
 
2014-03-09 11:10:27 AM  
Tipped employees must make minimum wage with tips, AFAIK, and if they do not the employer is required to make up the difference.
 
2014-03-09 11:20:57 AM  
Another tipping thread. Well, here's the reply I left in said column when someone else commented that we shouldn't shame the poor, they may leave only a dollar because they may not have enough to make it to their next pay day.

"If you can't afford to tip properly, you should not be going out to eat in the first place. Eating at home is much more economically sound. And don't tell me it's about "being social". You can be just as social at somebody's house and again, it costs a lot less.

I'm not a waiter, but I lived with a low income job for many years and I never ate out if I couldn't afford the meal plus tip, even when invited by others.  I also made sure I had enough to give a bigger tip if the service was of excellent quality. And if not - I didn't go out to eat."

End of story. In the United States, the standard tip should be included in the price of what you pay for the food. Extra on top of that is a bonus at your discretion. When you stiff a tip, you are depriving a fellow human being of their basic livelihood. I'm not a Christian, but their is nothing Christian about treating another human being like that. It's selfish and inhumane.

When the laws or conventions change to match that of other countries, we can talk about different conventions at that time. Period.
 
2014-03-09 11:23:21 AM  

jrg1199: I'm not a Christian, but their is nothing Christian about treating another human being like that.


You may now proceed to mock me for "there" vs. "their".
 
2014-03-09 11:33:43 AM  
Once again, he hero tag means squat here.

Ps; if you rely on tips to survive, your doing life wrong.
 
2014-03-09 11:40:29 AM  
When i worked pizza delivery, we used to get a largish order from a local church every month or so. Between 6 & 8 pies, not bad. But they were wayyyy out in the sticks & they always wanted to you bring it down to their basement/gymnasium, which was a long walk w/ 8 pies. & theyd always try to guilt you into helping set up their folding tables.

And then they'd never tip.

So you'd use your gas to come all the way out there & spend the time you couldve been making paying deliveries for these asshole xtians pizza party.

Eventually we'd have to get drivers to draw straws whenever cheapskate church came up on the screen.
 
2014-03-09 11:55:54 AM  

inclemency: Huggermugger: 30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.

Your expectation is unrealistic.  If the servers were paid even minimum wage, then the price of your meal, plus what you might have paid via tip, would be higher.  And servers are some of the hardest working people in this society.

Anyone who uses the term 'entitled' to sneer at people who work their asses off is a Grade A Asshole.

Servers are some of the hardest workers in society? Citation?

I know that where I work, the back of house routinely works 11 hours a day and walks with less than servers who work 5.

Back of house has to carry heavy things, burns/cuts themselves routinely, get on their knees to sweep under the pass, smell/taste possibly offensive food and utilize schooling and finesse to provide a beautiful and tasty dish that servers drop (often unprofessionally) on tables.

In fact, the only thing servers complain about more than not being treated like rock star gods via tipping is customers in general. Usually as they count fat, tax free stacks.

That said, kitchen workers aren't even some of the hardest working people in society. You're either willfully ignorant or in the dark.


You're an asshole.  I'm sure you don't tip.

There's a lot of abuse that servers endure that the people in the back don't, mostly from customers but also from management and the folks in the back.  First of all, having to cater to customers emotionally, their demands, and also their frequent sexual harassment.  They're the focal point for everyone's anger: if a back person screws up an order, the server gets the abuse from the customer.  Servers are also very frequently sexually harassed by management, or else management hasn't got their back when they're sexually abused by customers.  Finally, servers are entirely disposable commodities, they have no job security whatsoever, whereas the people in the back have the veneer of being 'food professionals', but servers are regarded by the people in the back and management with contempt.
 
2014-03-09 12:01:18 PM  

Huggermugger: 30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.

Your expectation is unrealistic.  If the servers were paid even minimum wage, then the price of your meal, plus what you might have paid via tip, would be higher.  And servers are some of the hardest working people in this society.

Anyone who uses the term 'entitled' to sneer at people who work their asses off is a Grade A Asshole.


This is hillarious.  Servers are some of the hardest working people in this society? Let me get this straight:
Taking orders, getting drinks and refills, bringing food to the table, asking if everything is alright and then bringing the check is considered hard?
Ohh wow.  This is what's wrong with society.  You have no concept of what is considered a hard job.  Physically there are many other jobs that don't receive tips and yet expected to be high quality.  Go work as a construction worker, fast food counter, a cook etc to find out what's hard.  Then there's mentally hard.  Go be a software engineer, air traffic controller, a pilot.
You're not in charge of lives, you're in charge of doing things a middle schooler can do.  I can't wait until you're all replaced with robots.
 
2014-03-09 12:05:43 PM  

Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.


You are an idiot.  When they take the position, tips are an assumed portion of their compensation.  Tipping is the traditional and standard practice in this country.
 
2014-03-09 12:06:29 PM  

chewd: When i worked pizza delivery, we used to get a largish order from a local church every month or so. Between 6 & 8 pies, not bad. But they were wayyyy out in the sticks & they always wanted to you bring it down to their basement/gymnasium, which was a long walk w/ 8 pies. & theyd always try to guilt you into helping set up their folding tables.

And then they'd never tip.

So you'd use your gas to come all the way out there & spend the time you couldve been making paying deliveries for these asshole xtians pizza party.

Eventually we'd have to get drivers to draw straws whenever cheapskate church came up on the screen.


You should have told them they were now outside of your delivery area, and you would be otherwise glad to do them a solid under other circumstances, but that they never tip.

And on the tables, I would do it the first time, but after realizing they don't tip, I would put the word out. The reply should be, I have to go out and deliver more pies to people that actually leave a tip.
 
2014-03-09 12:08:29 PM  
"Asshole Xtian Pizza Party", LOL, band name.

I'm sure this has been covered, but although the server is the face of the experience, there are a lot of moving parts that need to come together to create good service.  So next time you stiff the server for bad service, a server who may be working her ass off to do the best she can under the circumstances of that day, remember that it's a TEAM effort.  The only time I would stiff a server would be for rudeness or obvious neglect of their duties.  But most of the times I've received bad service, it was likely a culmination of this:

-- Management may not have properly staffed the shift, or others servers didn't show up for their shift
-- Management messed up the supplier orders, or the suppliers didn't come through (sorry, we're out of that)
-- The hostess might not seat the sections properly, overloading a server
-- Cooks make mistakes too and that can hold up an order
-- Other servers sometimes steal your food from the line (sometimes accidentally, sometimes on purpose)
-- Others may not be pulling their weight - silverware didn't get rolled, condiments didn't get refilled, etc
-- Other team members (bussers, etc) say they're going to go refill Table 9's water or clear plates, then they don't
 
2014-03-09 12:11:23 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.

You are an idiot.  When they take the position, tips are an assumed portion of their compensation.  Tipping is the traditional and standard practice in this country.


When you agree to the terms of a job, that's a contract between you and you're employer.  Why do you assume the public will make up the difference for wages? That's what's wrong.  You don't see it as a problem between you and your place of work, you see it as unwritten expectations.  If it's standard and traditional, please feel free to add tip directly to the bill.  If you want to gamble and leave it up to the person to decide an amount, don't complain when you gamble and lose.  It's that simple.
 
2014-03-09 12:15:03 PM  

Hypergreatthing: Huggermugger: 30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.

Your expectation is unrealistic.  If the servers were paid even minimum wage, then the price of your meal, plus what you might have paid via tip, would be higher.  And servers are some of the hardest working people in this society.

Anyone who uses the term 'entitled' to sneer at people who work their asses off is a Grade A Asshole.

This is hillarious.  Servers are some of the hardest working people in this society? Let me get this straight:
Taking orders, getting drinks and refills, bringing food to the table, asking if everything is alright and then bringing the check is considered hard?
Ohh wow.  This is what's wrong with society.  You have no concept of what is considered a hard job.  Physically there are many other jobs that don't receive tips and yet expected to be high quality.  Go work as a construction worker, fast food counter, a cook etc to find out what's hard.  Then there's mentally hard.  Go be a software engineer, air traffic controller, a pilot.
You're not in charge of lives, you're in charge of doing things a middle schooler can do.  I can't wait until you're all replaced with robots.


I have been a network engineer, a manager and a director of an IT department, and have managed 15+ people and million+ budgets at different points.  With the exception of the occasional network outage, I would rate my job as less acutely difficult than what a server has to deal with on a standard shift.  Yes, my work had more cumulative stress, and yes, I required more experience and training.  But being a server is hard work.

Think about it this way.  Try to throw a dinner party for 6 people, keeping each one happy with their specific likes and dislikes.  Now multiply that by 4 or 5 times.  Add on top of that trying to manage the back of the house to make sure everything is timed and prepared per specification...well you get the picture (or rather any reasonable persone would get the picture, you seem like an oblivious idiot).

It is not always the most skilled work (though sometimes, it can be), but anyone who says it isn't hard work is an entitled, oblivious, self centered idiot.
 
2014-03-09 12:17:08 PM  

Hypergreatthing: MycroftHolmes: Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.

You are an idiot.  When they take the position, tips are an assumed portion of their compensation.  Tipping is the traditional and standard practice in this country.

When you agree to the terms of a job, that's a contract between you and you're employer.  Why do you assume the public will make up the difference for wages? That's what's wrong.  You don't see it as a problem between you and your place of work, you see it as unwritten expectations.  If it's standard and traditional, please feel free to add tip directly to the bill.  If you want to gamble and leave it up to the person to decide an amount, don't complain when you gamble and lose.  It's that simple.


The iRS disagrees with you.  The department of Labor disagrees with you (which is why subminimum wages are allowed).  It is part of American business practice.  You do not get to unilaterally change that.
 
2014-03-09 12:18:23 PM  

Weatherkiss: I don't go out to eat all that often anymore because the job situation in Ohio sucks. There are more restaurants than any other business around here, and they all employ college/high school students who really don't want to work in the food service industry -- and to be quite honest, I can't say I blame them. But they have no real choice.

Unfortunately, because their heart isn't into it, and they're generally pretty farking unhappy and depressed, it shows in their work. They're extremely obvious with faking nice. They try to get you out the door within 30 seconds of your main course hitting your table. You aren't even finished putting your napkin on your lap before they're asking you if you want a box to take your food home in. If they aren't hovering around your table like a vulture putting pressure on you to leave, then they're straight up ignoring you. I eat my food leisurely at a restaurant so I can appreciate the company at my table, so if my glass is empty for most of the conversation, and I end up having to flag another waiter/waitress down to fill my order, my current server isn't going to get a very big tip.

It's gotten to the point where I've had so many bad experiences, that I'm getting tired of biatching to management about how shiatty their staff is (and this is at multiple restaurants), and I don't consider myself an unreasonable customer. I don't make any unusual demands. I don't try to haggle, I don't ask a million questions, I don't ever ask how much longer my food will be. I remain as polite as a guest should be expected to be.

But if that respect isn't returned (over and over again, it seems), then I really have no desire to go out to eat anymore. I just cook my own food or I order a pizza -- the delivery drivers are usually way more polite (depending on the establishment), and I give them a decent tip each time they show up to my doorstep.

But if I go to another city, like New York City, or L.A., Orlando, or what have you... the staff there a ...



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If we're trying to list the reasons to get out of Ohio, this is not even in the top 100. You're point about unemployment might make the top 20.

(I assume you're referring to northern Ohio. The rest of Ohio isn't nearly as bad)
 
2014-03-09 12:24:52 PM  

Huggermugger: inclemency: Huggermugger: 30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.

Your expectation is unrealistic.  If the servers were paid even minimum wage, then the price of your meal, plus what you might have paid via tip, would be higher.  And servers are some of the hardest working people in this society.

Anyone who uses the term 'entitled' to sneer at people who work their asses off is a Grade A Asshole.

Servers are some of the hardest workers in society? Citation?

I know that where I work, the back of house routinely works 11 hours a day and walks with less than servers who work 5.

Back of house has to carry heavy things, burns/cuts themselves routinely, get on their knees to sweep under the pass, smell/taste possibly offensive food and utilize schooling and finesse to provide a beautiful and tasty dish that servers drop (often unprofessionally) on tables.

In fact, the only thing servers complain about more than not being treated like rock star gods via tipping is customers in general. Usually as they count fat, tax free stacks.

That said, kitchen workers aren't even some of the hardest working people in society. You're either willfully ignorant or in the dark.

You're an asshole.  I'm sure you don't tip.

There's a lot of abuse that servers endure that the people in the back don't, mostly from customers but also from management and the folks in the back.  First of all, having to cater to customers emotionally, their demands, and also their frequent sexual harassment.  They're the focal point f ...


You're SURE I don't tip? Well I'm SURE you're an entitled idiot.

I do tip. Well. But as someone who's seen the insane income disparity between front and back lf house, and who chooses the lower paying job as a preference having tried both sides, I will say that no matter how many crosses you nail yourself to you earn money on the backs of those that work much harder than you.

But say sexual harrassment again. That fixes everything you self-righteous exploiter.
 
2014-03-09 12:31:49 PM  

gadian: If servers don't make minimum wage through tips, the employer has to pay the full federal mandated minimum wage.  No questions, they have to pay.  So, if no one ever tipped any server, the server would make as much as the guy at McDonald's.  Now, servers do work harder than the guy at the McDonald's, usually, but let's not pretend that they are only making $2 an hour.  Many servers are only worth minimum wage so the exception that a tip is required in every seating is BS.


I really don't feel that any adult working is worth minimum wage.  The minimum wage has gotten ridiculously low over the years and it's not livable.  It's disgusting, and I wish it would be changed substantially.
 
2014-03-09 12:32:10 PM  

Hypergreatthing: Huggermugger: 30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.

Your expectation is unrealistic.  If the servers were paid even minimum wage, then the price of your meal, plus what you might have paid via tip, would be higher.  And servers are some of the hardest working people in this society.

Anyone who uses the term 'entitled' to sneer at people who work their asses off is a Grade A Asshole.

This is hillarious.  Servers are some of the hardest working people in this society? Let me get this straight:
Taking orders, getting drinks and refills, bringing food to the table, asking if everything is alright and then bringing the check is considered hard?
Ohh wow.  This is what's wrong with society.  You have no concept of what is considered a hard job.  Physically there are many other jobs that don't receive tips and yet expected to be high quality.  Go work as a construction worker, fast food counter, a cook etc to find out what's hard.  Then there's mentally hard.  Go be a software engineer, air traffic controller, a pilot.
You're not in charge of lives, you're in charge of doing things a middle schooler can do.  I can't wait until you're all replaced with robots.


Yes, servers are some of the hardest working people in society.  Have YOU ever waited tables? I have, did it all through college while earning my Physics degree.  It can be extremely physically demanding, emotionally/psychologically demanding, and STRESSUL.  It wasn't uncommon to work up a sweat (and no, I'm not a hosebeast and was in athletic shape while waiting tables).  The amount of balls in the air at the same time, numerous factors to keep in mind, timing must be perfect, thinking five steps ahead, dealing with midstream changes and a fluid, unpredictable environment.  The weight of expectation and demand....the stress of making a wrong move and not meeting those expectations.  Yeah, it was hard work.  And then pulling it all off while trying to be jovial, calm and welcoming at the table when your brain feels like it's about to explode and your makeup is running.

I've worked in construction and I'm now a managing engineer in a manufacturing plant.  Plenty of stress, actual lives to worry about, long hours.  But it's a different kind of stress.  One day, I'll retire to Costa Rica and bartend in a little fishing village.
 
2014-03-09 12:33:06 PM  
And I also want to say that I'm lucky. My long term partner (managing server at a restaurant) subsidizes my lifestyle. Without that I'd be more bitter.

Still, the cognitive dissonance it requires to complain about a 60-70 or more TAX FREE thousand income with no education while not feeling at all bad about exploiting the people who actually do something is astounding and embarrassing for you. Tool.
 
2014-03-09 12:49:42 PM  

gadian: If servers don't make minimum wage through tips, the employer has to pay the full federal mandated minimum wage.  No questions, they have to pay.  So, if no one ever tipped any server, the server would make as much as the guy at McDonald's.  Now, servers do work harder than the guy at the McDonald's, usually, but let's not pretend that they are only making $2 an hour.  Many servers are only worth minimum wage so the exception that a tip is required in every seating is BS.


I have worked in many restaurants where the staff is guilted into claiming minimum wage.....
 
2014-03-09 12:51:30 PM  

inclemency: I'm quite surprised that none of the self-righteous pro-tipping crowd (servers or ex-servers mostly it seemed) responded to my post regarding the income disparity between those who make the food (actually provide a service) and the leeches who profit undeservedly off their labour.

Perhaps it's indefensible.


Apparently you don't realize that most servers tip out the cooks, bussers, host/hostesses, and bartenders. In many cases, they're required to.

If the servers in an establishment make the most, they're doing themselves a favor by spreading that around to the rest of the staff so the other people will work to make their lives easier. Teamwork and everyone makes more.
 
2014-03-09 12:54:03 PM  
Screw it - it's not my responsibility to pay the waitstaff's wages. Leave a note on the bill for the manager to pay their staff better. Now they're adding the 0bamacare surcharge???? BS. Where does this tipping crap stop? One place had a tip jar next to the cash register for people to tip them for accepting your money.
 
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2014-03-09 01:03:40 PM  

super_grass: The 20% minimum is only there for very bad service. The going rate now is around 1/3, which rounds up to 35% or so for average service. Ideally pleasant waiters should get ~45% or just an even 50%.


This is why I hate the notion of tipping as a percentage. 50% is all good and well at some upscale restaurant, but it really doesn't cut it at some low end diner where you can have an entire meal for $15.
 
2014-03-09 01:18:44 PM  

hej: super_grass: The 20% minimum is only there for very bad service. The going rate now is around 1/3, which rounds up to 35% or so for average service. Ideally pleasant waiters should get ~45% or just an even 50%.

This is why I hate the notion of tipping as a percentage. 50% is all good and well at some upscale restaurant, but it really doesn't cut it at some low end diner where you can have an entire meal for $15.


Actually that's were I'm more inclined to tip more for some reason. When I've got someone serving me at a shiatier, more soul crushing place and they still manage to give me awesome service and have a good attitude about it, I'm not above throwing down 25 bucks for a moons over my hammy. But it's at least 20% for me any restaurant I go to.
 
2014-03-09 01:24:30 PM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 640x508]

Know what the rest of the world pays?

$36.99

I know, it's mindblowing!


LOL
You can't handle modern society.
 
2014-03-09 01:34:54 PM  
So, why are we supposed to tip 20% now?  Why has it risen from 10% to 12% to 15% to 18% and now 20%?  Can anyone answer this question?
 
2014-03-09 01:43:10 PM  

goochmeister42: inclemency: I'm quite surprised that none of the self-righteous pro-tipping crowd (servers or ex-servers mostly it seemed) responded to my post regarding the income disparity between those who make the food (actually provide a service) and the leeches who profit undeservedly off their labour.

Perhaps it's indefensible.

Apparently you don't realize that most servers tip out the cooks, bussers, host/hostesses, and bartenders. In many cases, they're required to.

If the servers in an establishment make the most, they're doing themselves a favor by spreading that around to the rest of the staff so the other people will work to make their lives easier. Teamwork and everyone makes more.


So customers bribe you for good service (which should actually be part of your job), and then you turn around and bribe people in the back so you get better service than the other servers?

Just pay everybody an actual wage and remove the begging and bribery part of your job and a huge chunk of that "stress" will magically melt away. You're not working Vaudeville, shucking and jiving for the limelight. Just do your damn job like every other industry.
 
2014-03-09 01:45:00 PM  

Mock26: So, why are we supposed to tip 20% now?  Why has it risen from 10% to 12% to 15% to 18% and now 20%?  Can anyone answer this question?


Yes, it's been answered a few times in this thread.
 
2014-03-09 01:48:36 PM  

Mock26: So, why are we supposed to tip 20% now?  Why has it risen from 10% to 12% to 15% to 18% and now 20%?  Can anyone answer this question?


Probably food (more diner food than upscale food) is staying the same price or getting cheaper while serving wages stay around the same. Add in the cost of living always rising and inflatin. So until they revamp the restaurant/tipping model, the tipping standard tends to inch up as well.
 
2014-03-09 01:50:51 PM  
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2014-03-09 02:24:21 PM  

Witness99: Hypergreatthing: Huggermugger: 30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.

Your expectation is unrealistic.  If the servers were paid even minimum wage, then the price of your meal, plus what you might have paid via tip, would be higher.  And servers are some of the hardest working people in this society.

Anyone who uses the term 'entitled' to sneer at people who work their asses off is a Grade A Asshole.

This is hillarious.  Servers are some of the hardest working people in this society? Let me get this straight:
Taking orders, getting drinks and refills, bringing food to the table, asking if everything is alright and then bringing the check is considered hard?
Ohh wow.  This is what's wrong with society.  You have no concept of what is considered a hard job.  Physically there are many other jobs that don't receive tips and yet expected to be high quality.  Go work as a construction worker, fast food counter, a cook etc to find out what's hard.  Then there's mentally hard.  Go be a software engineer, air traffic controller, a pilot.
You're not in charge of lives, you're in charge of doing things a middle schooler can do.  I can't wait until you're all replaced with robots.

Yes, servers are some of the hardest working people in society.  Have YOU ever waited tables? I have, did it all through college while earning my Physics degree.  It can be extremely physically demanding, emotionally/psychologically demanding, and STRESSUL.  It wasn't uncommon to work up a sweat (and no, I'm not a hosebeast  ...


Have you ever done some physical labor jobs?
Somehow dealing with people makes things difficult.  Tell that to all the retail jobs that are customer facing that don't get tips.
 
2014-03-09 02:32:34 PM  

FnkyTwn: goochmeister42: inclemency: I'm quite surprised that none of the self-righteous pro-tipping crowd (servers or ex-servers mostly it seemed) responded to my post regarding the income disparity between those who make the food (actually provide a service) and the leeches who profit undeservedly off their labour.

Perhaps it's indefensible.

Apparently you don't realize that most servers tip out the cooks, bussers, host/hostesses, and bartenders. In many cases, they're required to.

If the servers in an establishment make the most, they're doing themselves a favor by spreading that around to the rest of the staff so the other people will work to make their lives easier. Teamwork and everyone makes more.

So customers bribe you for good service (which should actually be part of your job), and then you turn around and bribe people in the back so you get better service than the other servers?

Just pay everybody an actual wage and remove the begging and bribery part of your job and a huge chunk of that "stress" will magically melt away. You're not working Vaudeville, shucking and jiving for the limelight. Just do your damn job like every other industry.


It's not a bribe - it's an incentive.  In most industries, most employers will pay you just enough not to quit and in return the employees work just hard enough to not get fired.  Very few industries allow the employee to directly affect how much they get paid with how hard they work.  shiatty employees get paid less, great employees get paid more.  I can think of service jobs and sales jobs.

For a hard worker who enjoys their job, that's much better than just "doing your damn job like every other industry".  I'd be pissed if someone in the same position as me who was bad at their job or did less work got paid the same as me - so most people end up not bothering and then you've got a ton of mediocre employees.  But they're not working Vaudeville, so they've got that going for them.
 
2014-03-09 02:34:03 PM  
One interesting thing about these threads is attitudes towards respect.  The non-tippers tend to favor the idea that respect is something you earn, while generous tippers favor the idea that respect is something you lose.  This is an important distinction because how you treat a server from the get-go will influence how they treat you.  If you act like a jerk because you don't think they've earned your respect, they will tend to act in a way that justifies your lack of respect, and vice versa.
 
2014-03-09 02:43:33 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Hypergreatthing: MycroftHolmes: Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.

You are an idiot.  When they take the position, tips are an assumed portion of their compensation.  Tipping is the traditional and standard practice in this country.

When you agree to the terms of a job, that's a contract between you and you're employer.  Why do you assume the public will make up the difference for wages? That's what's wrong.  You don't see it as a problem between you and your place of work, you see it as unwritten expectations.  If it's standard and traditional, please feel free to add tip directly to the bill.  If you want to gamble and leave it up to the person to decide an amount, don't complain when you gamble and lose.  It's that simple.

The iRS disagrees with you.  The department of Labor disagrees with you (which is why subminimum wages are allowed).  It is part of American business practice.  You do not get to unilaterally change that.


You can however unilaterally challenge the belief behind it.
I am not challenging the notion of why it exists or if it's good or bad.  I am stating that it's akin to gambling and that you can never always win with gambling.
Expecting people to do things, regardless if it's customary or traditional, is fairly insane.  No matter what they'll be people that tip more than the norm, and there'll be people that tip nothing.  Complaining about it when it's part of your job is the crazy part.  If it's not required then be thankful when people leave tips.
Claims of spitting in food, empathy for servers, the amount of work they do is all irrelevant.  People don't go out to pay for people's wages, they go out to eat.
 
2014-03-09 02:45:50 PM  
I've found that if I tip well, my pizza arrives at my house hot, and quickly, and the guy usually throws in free drinks or wings or whatever now that he recognizes my address. Same at the bar. I tip well, they throw in a couple beers or a round of shots. That's my cool ass story bro.

OH! And back when I worked in food services, there was this jackhole who never tipped and we would fart on his sandwiches and put the salami for his sub on our boobies and walk around the back like that until it was time for them to go on. And we licked his sub roll. Giggity.
 
2014-03-09 02:55:39 PM  
WTF is this 30% shiat?

Oh hell no.  Not doing it, not going there.

The only way service could possibly be good enough for me to be ok with 30% is if the hot waitress is giving me a beej under the table while I'm eating.

We went to 20% when the feds farked up the minimum wage, the tipped employee wage needs to go away.  But there's no reason to go to 30%.  Food is getting more expensive, 20% already indexes with inflation.

20% for good service.  15% for crappy service.  Penny for amazingly horrible service (this takes something truly bad, like spilling something on you or completely ignoring you between taking your order and handing you the check.)
 
2014-03-09 02:56:36 PM  
Filling my tea is pretty tough stuff.
 
2014-03-09 02:57:23 PM  

Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I've found that if I tip well, my pizza arrives at my house hot, and quickly, and the guy usually throws in free drinks or wings or whatever now that he recognizes my address. Same at the bar. I tip well, they throw in a couple beers or a round of shots. That's my cool ass story bro.

OH! And back when I worked in food services, there was this jackhole who never tipped and we would fart on his sandwiches and put the salami for his sub on our boobies and walk around the back like that until it was time for them to go on. And we licked his sub roll. Giggity.


I'm really glad you don't work in food service any more, then.  You doing that to some guy's food is infinitely more jackhole than not tipping...in fact, it's criminal and people like you should be charged for doing that shiat.  Never mess with people's food.
 
2014-03-09 03:04:08 PM  
A tipping thread without Springs1????

Blasphemy

/waited tables as management on occasion (when short staffed)
//got tipped $5 by Elijah Wood for 4 burgers, fries, cokes and shakes  (company gave out cards for VIPs, so the VIP +3 guests got to eat for free---so he ate for free and tipped $5).
///got tipped $100 by Heath Ledger once, for 2 burgers, fries and a couple of cokes (on a VIP card)
///split all the tips among the staff working at the time
 
2014-03-09 03:06:17 PM  

goochmeister42: Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I've found that if I tip well, my pizza arrives at my house hot, and quickly, and the guy usually throws in free drinks or wings or whatever now that he recognizes my address. Same at the bar. I tip well, they throw in a couple beers or a round of shots. That's my cool ass story bro.

OH! And back when I worked in food services, there was this jackhole who never tipped and we would fart on his sandwiches and put the salami for his sub on our boobies and walk around the back like that until it was time for them to go on. And we licked his sub roll. Giggity.

I'm really glad you don't work in food service any more, then.  You doing that to some guy's food is infinitely more jackhole than not tipping...in fact, it's criminal and people like you should be charged for doing that shiat.  Never mess with people's food.


Oh I totally admit I was terrible and feel bad. Alas, I was 17. This was more of a reminder to everyone that there are some real turds preparing your food, and because of how much of a coont I was in my youth working in the food industry, I tend to be generous with my tip. I'm generous with my tip in other areas of life too if ya know what I mean.
 
2014-03-09 03:27:53 PM  

Hypergreatthing: Have you ever done some physical labor jobs?
Somehow dealing with people makes things difficult. Tell that to all the retail jobs that are customer facing that don't get tips.


It really is mentally and emotionally exhaustive.  For instance, having to put up with and serve assholes like you, and then to top that off getting no tip, will ruin your entire day.
 
2014-03-09 03:58:08 PM  
Here's what always bothers me:

Go to a very nice restaurant, and when you get the check it will say:  "20% gratuity was included in the price of the food."  Yet... there is still a gratuity line on the check.  I understand that the gratuity line is in case you want to tip more, but I always feel like a cheap bastard when I leave it blank.  I think what I need is another line that says, "No, you're not a douche if you don't give the server more."
 
2014-03-09 04:07:03 PM  

Farker Soze: Hypergreatthing: Have you ever done some physical labor jobs?
Somehow dealing with people makes things difficult. Tell that to all the retail jobs that are customer facing that don't get tips.

It really is mentally and emotionally exhaustive.  For instance, having to put up with and serve assholes like you, and then to top that off getting no tip, will ruin your entire day.


On the rare occasion i do go out to eat I am actually really polite and always tip 15-20% unless the service was absolutely horrendous.
I just object to the idea of tipping.
The argument is usually as follows:
Waiters(tresses): Boo hoo, i make shiat money.  On top of that i get stiffed by people every once in a wihle.  They must be ridiculed and shamed for daring to do such a thing.
Me: Why don't you find another job, or put the tip on the bill, or ask your manager to pay you more?
Waiters(tresses): How dare you question the system? I'm only required to make above min wage and in places i can make upwards of 100k with the majority of my earnings off the books for tax reasons.  This is the most strenuous job ever.  We're required to carry plates of food and bring drinks to tables and deal with irate customers who just want to eat.  No one else has it harder than us.
Me: So you're saying you have it harder than EMTs/nurses/firemen who actually have to watch people die? It's more stressful than being a soldier, or even an office worker in a high pace industry? It's more important than being a teacher, doctor?
Waiters(tresses): Yes.  It's harder than all of those professions actually.
Me: ....right
 
2014-03-09 04:13:24 PM  

AlgertMan: Tipping is optional and you are not entitled to it


THIS.   I usually tip very generously.   But give me shiatty service and act like you're ENTITLED to something you didn't earn?  You get jack shiat.

Last year when I was in NYC, my order came to $14.25.   I was going to leave a $5 tip, because I actually needed a couple quarters for something.   Ms. Entiled felt like she could just take the coins without even bothering to ask.   So that's all she got, along with a note explaining why, and what her undeserved sense of entitlement cost her.
 
2014-03-09 04:15:50 PM  

goochmeister42: inclemency: I'm quite surprised that none of the self-righteous pro-tipping crowd (servers or ex-servers mostly it seemed) responded to my post regarding the income disparity between those who make the food (actually provide a service) and the leeches who profit undeservedly off their labour.

Perhaps it's indefensible.

Apparently you don't realize that most servers tip out the cooks, bussers, host/hostesses, and bartenders. In many cases, they're required to.

If the servers in an establishment make the most, they're doing themselves a favor by spreading that around to the rest of the staff so the other people will work to make their lives easier. Teamwork and everyone makes more.


1) not all restaurants tip out the kitchen. Mine does and, while I appreciate the almost-buck-an-hour it is not enough to justify the wealth disparity. Not even close.
2) re: Teamwork. Hahahahahahaha, you've no idea how a restaurant works.
 
2014-03-09 04:29:49 PM  

Hypergreatthing: Farker Soze: Hypergreatthing: Have you ever done some physical labor jobs?
Somehow dealing with people makes things difficult. Tell that to all the retail jobs that are customer facing that don't get tips.

It really is mentally and emotionally exhaustive.  For instance, having to put up with and serve assholes like you, and then to top that off getting no tip, will ruin your entire day.

On the rare occasion i do go out to eat I am actually really polite and always tip 15-20% unless the service was absolutely horrendous.
I just object to the idea of tipping.
The argument is usually as follows:
Waiters(tresses): Boo hoo, i make shiat money.  On top of that i get stiffed by people every once in a wihle.  They must be ridiculed and shamed for daring to do such a thing.
Me: Why don't you find another job, or put the tip on the bill, or ask your manager to pay you more?
Waiters(tresses): How dare you question the system? I'm only required to make above min wage and in places i can make upwards of 100k with the majority of my earnings off the books for tax reasons.  This is the most strenuous job ever.  We're required to carry plates of food and bring drinks to tables and deal with irate customers who just want to eat.  No one else has it harder than us.
Me: So you're saying you have it harder than EMTs/nurses/firemen who actually have to watch people die? It's more stressful than being a soldier, or even an office worker in a high pace industry? It's more important than being a teacher, doctor?
Waiters(tresses): Yes.  It's harder than all of those professions actually.
Me: ....right


Have you ever actually had that conversation in real life with someone in the process of serving you? If so, after putting them through that, you should tip 500%.
 
2014-03-09 04:59:22 PM  
goochmeister42:

Apparently you don't realize that most servers tip out the cooks, bussers, host/hostesses, and bartenders. In many cases, they're required to.


Biggest load of horse shiat in this thread.  At most they require them to split some of their tip with whoever play host that night at the front.  That's it.
 
2014-03-09 04:59:52 PM  
TIPS = To insure prompt service  WRONG!
TYPS = Thank you for prompt service (Right!)

A tips you would give when you sat down... to insure prompt service... which would not be guaranteed.

A typs you give to say "Thank You" for great service, which you don't get if you sucked at your job.
 
2014-03-09 05:03:31 PM  

AlgertMan: goochmeister42:

Apparently you don't realize that most servers tip out the cooks, bussers, host/hostesses, and bartenders. In many cases, they're required to.


Biggest load of horse shiat in this thread.  At most they require them to split some of their tip with whoever play host that night at the front.  That's it.


Nope. When I served at a high end place in college, we tipped out the bussers, hosts and bartenders. We didn't tip out the cooks, but if we went out after a shift, it was understood that they were never buying the most rounds.
 
2014-03-09 05:05:25 PM  

Stoker: TIPS = To insure prompt service  WRONG!
TYPS = Thank you for prompt service (Right!)

A tips you would give when you sat down... to insure prompt service... which would not be guaranteed.

A typs you give to say "Thank You" for great service, which you don't get if you sucked at your job.


I know you're going for the acronym, but I think 'ensure' is more appropriate than 'insure'.
 
2014-03-09 05:30:34 PM  

Stoker: TIPS = To insure prompt service  WRONG!
TYPS = Thank you for prompt service (Right!)

A tips you would give when you sat down... to insure prompt service... which would not be guaranteed.

A typs you give to say "Thank You" for great service, which you don't get if you sucked at your job.


What type of insane Tumblr logic is this?
 
2014-03-09 07:36:19 PM  

Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: goochmeister42: Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I've found that if I tip well, my pizza arrives at my house hot, and quickly, and the guy usually throws in free drinks or wings or whatever now that he recognizes my address. Same at the bar. I tip well, they throw in a couple beers or a round of shots. That's my cool ass story bro.

OH! And back when I worked in food services, there was this jackhole who never tipped and we would fart on his sandwiches and put the salami for his sub on our boobies and walk around the back like that until it was time for them to go on. And we licked his sub roll. Giggity.

I'm really glad you don't work in food service any more, then.  You doing that to some guy's food is infinitely more jackhole than not tipping...in fact, it's criminal and people like you should be charged for doing that shiat.  Never mess with people's food.

Oh I totally admit I was terrible and feel bad. Alas, I was 17. This was more of a reminder to everyone that there are some real turds preparing your food, and because of how much of a coont I was in my youth working in the food industry, I tend to be generous with my tip. I'm generous with my tip in other areas of life too if ya know what I mean.


Well thank goodness, you've clearly grown out of it.
 
2014-03-09 08:08:04 PM  

goochmeister42: Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I've found that if I tip well, my pizza arrives at my house hot, and quickly, and the guy usually throws in free drinks or wings or whatever now that he recognizes my address. Same at the bar. I tip well, they throw in a couple beers or a round of shots. That's my cool ass story bro.

OH! And back when I worked in food services, there was this jackhole who never tipped and we would fart on his sandwiches and put the salami for his sub on our boobies and walk around the back like that until it was time for them to go on. And we licked his sub roll. Giggity.

I'm really glad you don't work in food service any more, then.  You doing that to some guy's food is infinitely more jackhole than not tipping...in fact, it's criminal and people like you should be charged for doing that shiat.  Never mess with people's food.


ah, you never noticed so no harm done?

i don't do special orders at fast food. i think they call them "grill orders" at mcdonalds.
example: big mac, no pickles.
i would take them off myself if i didn't want pickles.
i won't even ask for grill orders for others if i was buying for a bunch of people.
nope, you can go and order yourself....

reason: people i knew that worked at mcdonalds told me some of the cooks would mess with grill orders.
 
2014-03-09 08:22:53 PM  

Hypergreatthing: MycroftHolmes: Hypergreatthing: MycroftHolmes: Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.

You are an idiot.  When they take the position, tips are an assumed portion of their compensation.  Tipping is the traditional and standard practice in this country.

When you agree to the terms of a job, that's a contract between you and you're employer.  Why do you assume the public will make up the difference for wages? That's what's wrong.  You don't see it as a problem between you and your place of work, you see it as unwritten expectations.  If it's standard and traditional, please feel free to add tip directly to the bill.  If you want to gamble and leave it up to the person to decide an amount, don't complain when you gamble and lose.  It's that simple.

The iRS disagrees with you.  The department of Labor disagrees with you (which is why subminimum wages are allowed).  It is part of American business practice.  You do not get to unilaterally change that.

You can however unilaterally challenge the belief behind it.
I am not challenging the notion of why it exists or if it's good or bad.  I am stating that it's akin to gambling and that you can never always win with gambling.
Expecting people to do things, regardless if it's customary or traditional, is fairly insane.  No matter what they'll be people that tip more than the norm, and there'll be people that tip nothing.  Complaining about it when it's part of your job is the crazy part.  If it's not required then be thankful when people leave tips.
Claims of spitting in food, empathy for servers, the amount of work they do is all irrelevant.  People don't go out to pay for people's wages, they go out to eat.


No, people exchange money for goods and services.  A tip is part of that transaction.  This really isn't complicated.
 
2014-03-09 08:26:52 PM  

Hypergreatthing: Farker Soze: Hypergreatthing: Have you ever done some physical labor jobs?
Somehow dealing with people makes things difficult. Tell that to all the retail jobs that are customer facing that don't get tips.

It really is mentally and emotionally exhaustive.  For instance, having to put up with and serve assholes like you, and then to top that off getting no tip, will ruin your entire day.

On the rare occasion i do go out to eat I am actually really polite and always tip 15-20% unless the service was absolutely horrendous.
I just object to the idea of tipping.
The argument is usually as follows:
Waiters(tresses): Boo hoo, i make shiat money.  On top of that i get stiffed by people every once in a wihle.  They must be ridiculed and shamed for daring to do such a thing.
Me: Why don't you find another job, or put the tip on the bill, or ask your manager to pay you more?
Waiters(tresses): How dare you question the system? I'm only required to make above min wage and in places i can make upwards of 100k with the majority of my earnings off the books for tax reasons.  This is the most strenuous job ever.  We're required to carry plates of food and bring drinks to tables and deal with irate customers who just want to eat.  No one else has it harder than us.
Me: So you're saying you have it harder than EMTs/nurses/firemen who actually have to watch people die? It's more stressful than being a soldier, or even an office worker in a high pace industry? It's more important than being a teacher, doctor?
Waiters(tresses): Yes.  It's harder than all of those professions actually.
Me: ....right


I see why you don't go out much.  Don't take this the wrong way, actually there is no right way to say this, but if what you have written truly reflects how you act, you are an ass and need some serious adjustment and perspective,  I am not joking.  Go, get help.
 
2014-03-10 09:14:04 AM  

goochmeister42: Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I've found that if I tip well, my pizza arrives at my house hot, and quickly, and the guy usually throws in free drinks or wings or whatever now that he recognizes my address. Same at the bar. I tip well, they throw in a couple beers or a round of shots. That's my cool ass story bro.

OH! And back when I worked in food services, there was this jackhole who never tipped and we would fart on his sandwiches and put the salami for his sub on our boobies and walk around the back like that until it was time for them to go on. And we licked his sub roll. Giggity.

I'm really glad you don't work in food service any more, then.  You doing that to some guy's food is infinitely more jackhole than not tipping...in fact, it's criminal and people like you should be charged for doing that shiat.  Never mess with people's food.


Your reading comprehension missed the humor about the Customer doing all that didn't it.
 
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