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2014-03-09 12:18:23 PM  

Weatherkiss: I don't go out to eat all that often anymore because the job situation in Ohio sucks. There are more restaurants than any other business around here, and they all employ college/high school students who really don't want to work in the food service industry -- and to be quite honest, I can't say I blame them. But they have no real choice.

Unfortunately, because their heart isn't into it, and they're generally pretty farking unhappy and depressed, it shows in their work. They're extremely obvious with faking nice. They try to get you out the door within 30 seconds of your main course hitting your table. You aren't even finished putting your napkin on your lap before they're asking you if you want a box to take your food home in. If they aren't hovering around your table like a vulture putting pressure on you to leave, then they're straight up ignoring you. I eat my food leisurely at a restaurant so I can appreciate the company at my table, so if my glass is empty for most of the conversation, and I end up having to flag another waiter/waitress down to fill my order, my current server isn't going to get a very big tip.

It's gotten to the point where I've had so many bad experiences, that I'm getting tired of biatching to management about how shiatty their staff is (and this is at multiple restaurants), and I don't consider myself an unreasonable customer. I don't make any unusual demands. I don't try to haggle, I don't ask a million questions, I don't ever ask how much longer my food will be. I remain as polite as a guest should be expected to be.

But if that respect isn't returned (over and over again, it seems), then I really have no desire to go out to eat anymore. I just cook my own food or I order a pizza -- the delivery drivers are usually way more polite (depending on the establishment), and I give them a decent tip each time they show up to my doorstep.

But if I go to another city, like New York City, or L.A., Orlando, or what have you... the staff there a ...



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If we're trying to list the reasons to get out of Ohio, this is not even in the top 100. You're point about unemployment might make the top 20.

(I assume you're referring to northern Ohio. The rest of Ohio isn't nearly as bad)
 
2014-03-09 12:24:52 PM  

Huggermugger: inclemency: Huggermugger: 30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.

Your expectation is unrealistic.  If the servers were paid even minimum wage, then the price of your meal, plus what you might have paid via tip, would be higher.  And servers are some of the hardest working people in this society.

Anyone who uses the term 'entitled' to sneer at people who work their asses off is a Grade A Asshole.

Servers are some of the hardest workers in society? Citation?

I know that where I work, the back of house routinely works 11 hours a day and walks with less than servers who work 5.

Back of house has to carry heavy things, burns/cuts themselves routinely, get on their knees to sweep under the pass, smell/taste possibly offensive food and utilize schooling and finesse to provide a beautiful and tasty dish that servers drop (often unprofessionally) on tables.

In fact, the only thing servers complain about more than not being treated like rock star gods via tipping is customers in general. Usually as they count fat, tax free stacks.

That said, kitchen workers aren't even some of the hardest working people in society. You're either willfully ignorant or in the dark.

You're an asshole.  I'm sure you don't tip.

There's a lot of abuse that servers endure that the people in the back don't, mostly from customers but also from management and the folks in the back.  First of all, having to cater to customers emotionally, their demands, and also their frequent sexual harassment.  They're the focal point f ...


You're SURE I don't tip? Well I'm SURE you're an entitled idiot.

I do tip. Well. But as someone who's seen the insane income disparity between front and back lf house, and who chooses the lower paying job as a preference having tried both sides, I will say that no matter how many crosses you nail yourself to you earn money on the backs of those that work much harder than you.

But say sexual harrassment again. That fixes everything you self-righteous exploiter.
 
2014-03-09 12:31:49 PM  

gadian: If servers don't make minimum wage through tips, the employer has to pay the full federal mandated minimum wage.  No questions, they have to pay.  So, if no one ever tipped any server, the server would make as much as the guy at McDonald's.  Now, servers do work harder than the guy at the McDonald's, usually, but let's not pretend that they are only making $2 an hour.  Many servers are only worth minimum wage so the exception that a tip is required in every seating is BS.


I really don't feel that any adult working is worth minimum wage.  The minimum wage has gotten ridiculously low over the years and it's not livable.  It's disgusting, and I wish it would be changed substantially.
 
2014-03-09 12:32:10 PM  

Hypergreatthing: Huggermugger: 30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.

Your expectation is unrealistic.  If the servers were paid even minimum wage, then the price of your meal, plus what you might have paid via tip, would be higher.  And servers are some of the hardest working people in this society.

Anyone who uses the term 'entitled' to sneer at people who work their asses off is a Grade A Asshole.

This is hillarious.  Servers are some of the hardest working people in this society? Let me get this straight:
Taking orders, getting drinks and refills, bringing food to the table, asking if everything is alright and then bringing the check is considered hard?
Ohh wow.  This is what's wrong with society.  You have no concept of what is considered a hard job.  Physically there are many other jobs that don't receive tips and yet expected to be high quality.  Go work as a construction worker, fast food counter, a cook etc to find out what's hard.  Then there's mentally hard.  Go be a software engineer, air traffic controller, a pilot.
You're not in charge of lives, you're in charge of doing things a middle schooler can do.  I can't wait until you're all replaced with robots.


Yes, servers are some of the hardest working people in society.  Have YOU ever waited tables? I have, did it all through college while earning my Physics degree.  It can be extremely physically demanding, emotionally/psychologically demanding, and STRESSUL.  It wasn't uncommon to work up a sweat (and no, I'm not a hosebeast and was in athletic shape while waiting tables).  The amount of balls in the air at the same time, numerous factors to keep in mind, timing must be perfect, thinking five steps ahead, dealing with midstream changes and a fluid, unpredictable environment.  The weight of expectation and demand....the stress of making a wrong move and not meeting those expectations.  Yeah, it was hard work.  And then pulling it all off while trying to be jovial, calm and welcoming at the table when your brain feels like it's about to explode and your makeup is running.

I've worked in construction and I'm now a managing engineer in a manufacturing plant.  Plenty of stress, actual lives to worry about, long hours.  But it's a different kind of stress.  One day, I'll retire to Costa Rica and bartend in a little fishing village.
 
2014-03-09 12:33:06 PM  
And I also want to say that I'm lucky. My long term partner (managing server at a restaurant) subsidizes my lifestyle. Without that I'd be more bitter.

Still, the cognitive dissonance it requires to complain about a 60-70 or more TAX FREE thousand income with no education while not feeling at all bad about exploiting the people who actually do something is astounding and embarrassing for you. Tool.
 
2014-03-09 12:49:42 PM  

gadian: If servers don't make minimum wage through tips, the employer has to pay the full federal mandated minimum wage.  No questions, they have to pay.  So, if no one ever tipped any server, the server would make as much as the guy at McDonald's.  Now, servers do work harder than the guy at the McDonald's, usually, but let's not pretend that they are only making $2 an hour.  Many servers are only worth minimum wage so the exception that a tip is required in every seating is BS.


I have worked in many restaurants where the staff is guilted into claiming minimum wage.....
 
2014-03-09 12:51:30 PM  

inclemency: I'm quite surprised that none of the self-righteous pro-tipping crowd (servers or ex-servers mostly it seemed) responded to my post regarding the income disparity between those who make the food (actually provide a service) and the leeches who profit undeservedly off their labour.

Perhaps it's indefensible.


Apparently you don't realize that most servers tip out the cooks, bussers, host/hostesses, and bartenders. In many cases, they're required to.

If the servers in an establishment make the most, they're doing themselves a favor by spreading that around to the rest of the staff so the other people will work to make their lives easier. Teamwork and everyone makes more.
 
2014-03-09 12:54:03 PM  
Screw it - it's not my responsibility to pay the waitstaff's wages. Leave a note on the bill for the manager to pay their staff better. Now they're adding the 0bamacare surcharge???? BS. Where does this tipping crap stop? One place had a tip jar next to the cash register for people to tip them for accepting your money.
 
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2014-03-09 01:03:40 PM  

super_grass: The 20% minimum is only there for very bad service. The going rate now is around 1/3, which rounds up to 35% or so for average service. Ideally pleasant waiters should get ~45% or just an even 50%.


This is why I hate the notion of tipping as a percentage. 50% is all good and well at some upscale restaurant, but it really doesn't cut it at some low end diner where you can have an entire meal for $15.
 
2014-03-09 01:18:44 PM  

hej: super_grass: The 20% minimum is only there for very bad service. The going rate now is around 1/3, which rounds up to 35% or so for average service. Ideally pleasant waiters should get ~45% or just an even 50%.

This is why I hate the notion of tipping as a percentage. 50% is all good and well at some upscale restaurant, but it really doesn't cut it at some low end diner where you can have an entire meal for $15.


Actually that's were I'm more inclined to tip more for some reason. When I've got someone serving me at a shiatier, more soul crushing place and they still manage to give me awesome service and have a good attitude about it, I'm not above throwing down 25 bucks for a moons over my hammy. But it's at least 20% for me any restaurant I go to.
 
2014-03-09 01:24:30 PM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 640x508]

Know what the rest of the world pays?

$36.99

I know, it's mindblowing!


LOL
You can't handle modern society.
 
2014-03-09 01:34:54 PM  
So, why are we supposed to tip 20% now?  Why has it risen from 10% to 12% to 15% to 18% and now 20%?  Can anyone answer this question?
 
2014-03-09 01:43:10 PM  

goochmeister42: inclemency: I'm quite surprised that none of the self-righteous pro-tipping crowd (servers or ex-servers mostly it seemed) responded to my post regarding the income disparity between those who make the food (actually provide a service) and the leeches who profit undeservedly off their labour.

Perhaps it's indefensible.

Apparently you don't realize that most servers tip out the cooks, bussers, host/hostesses, and bartenders. In many cases, they're required to.

If the servers in an establishment make the most, they're doing themselves a favor by spreading that around to the rest of the staff so the other people will work to make their lives easier. Teamwork and everyone makes more.


So customers bribe you for good service (which should actually be part of your job), and then you turn around and bribe people in the back so you get better service than the other servers?

Just pay everybody an actual wage and remove the begging and bribery part of your job and a huge chunk of that "stress" will magically melt away. You're not working Vaudeville, shucking and jiving for the limelight. Just do your damn job like every other industry.
 
2014-03-09 01:45:00 PM  

Mock26: So, why are we supposed to tip 20% now?  Why has it risen from 10% to 12% to 15% to 18% and now 20%?  Can anyone answer this question?


Yes, it's been answered a few times in this thread.
 
2014-03-09 01:48:36 PM  

Mock26: So, why are we supposed to tip 20% now?  Why has it risen from 10% to 12% to 15% to 18% and now 20%?  Can anyone answer this question?


Probably food (more diner food than upscale food) is staying the same price or getting cheaper while serving wages stay around the same. Add in the cost of living always rising and inflatin. So until they revamp the restaurant/tipping model, the tipping standard tends to inch up as well.
 
2014-03-09 01:50:51 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-09 02:24:21 PM  

Witness99: Hypergreatthing: Huggermugger: 30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.

Your expectation is unrealistic.  If the servers were paid even minimum wage, then the price of your meal, plus what you might have paid via tip, would be higher.  And servers are some of the hardest working people in this society.

Anyone who uses the term 'entitled' to sneer at people who work their asses off is a Grade A Asshole.

This is hillarious.  Servers are some of the hardest working people in this society? Let me get this straight:
Taking orders, getting drinks and refills, bringing food to the table, asking if everything is alright and then bringing the check is considered hard?
Ohh wow.  This is what's wrong with society.  You have no concept of what is considered a hard job.  Physically there are many other jobs that don't receive tips and yet expected to be high quality.  Go work as a construction worker, fast food counter, a cook etc to find out what's hard.  Then there's mentally hard.  Go be a software engineer, air traffic controller, a pilot.
You're not in charge of lives, you're in charge of doing things a middle schooler can do.  I can't wait until you're all replaced with robots.

Yes, servers are some of the hardest working people in society.  Have YOU ever waited tables? I have, did it all through college while earning my Physics degree.  It can be extremely physically demanding, emotionally/psychologically demanding, and STRESSUL.  It wasn't uncommon to work up a sweat (and no, I'm not a hosebeast  ...


Have you ever done some physical labor jobs?
Somehow dealing with people makes things difficult.  Tell that to all the retail jobs that are customer facing that don't get tips.
 
2014-03-09 02:32:34 PM  

FnkyTwn: goochmeister42: inclemency: I'm quite surprised that none of the self-righteous pro-tipping crowd (servers or ex-servers mostly it seemed) responded to my post regarding the income disparity between those who make the food (actually provide a service) and the leeches who profit undeservedly off their labour.

Perhaps it's indefensible.

Apparently you don't realize that most servers tip out the cooks, bussers, host/hostesses, and bartenders. In many cases, they're required to.

If the servers in an establishment make the most, they're doing themselves a favor by spreading that around to the rest of the staff so the other people will work to make their lives easier. Teamwork and everyone makes more.

So customers bribe you for good service (which should actually be part of your job), and then you turn around and bribe people in the back so you get better service than the other servers?

Just pay everybody an actual wage and remove the begging and bribery part of your job and a huge chunk of that "stress" will magically melt away. You're not working Vaudeville, shucking and jiving for the limelight. Just do your damn job like every other industry.


It's not a bribe - it's an incentive.  In most industries, most employers will pay you just enough not to quit and in return the employees work just hard enough to not get fired.  Very few industries allow the employee to directly affect how much they get paid with how hard they work.  shiatty employees get paid less, great employees get paid more.  I can think of service jobs and sales jobs.

For a hard worker who enjoys their job, that's much better than just "doing your damn job like every other industry".  I'd be pissed if someone in the same position as me who was bad at their job or did less work got paid the same as me - so most people end up not bothering and then you've got a ton of mediocre employees.  But they're not working Vaudeville, so they've got that going for them.
 
2014-03-09 02:34:03 PM  
One interesting thing about these threads is attitudes towards respect.  The non-tippers tend to favor the idea that respect is something you earn, while generous tippers favor the idea that respect is something you lose.  This is an important distinction because how you treat a server from the get-go will influence how they treat you.  If you act like a jerk because you don't think they've earned your respect, they will tend to act in a way that justifies your lack of respect, and vice versa.
 
2014-03-09 02:43:33 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Hypergreatthing: MycroftHolmes: Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.

You are an idiot.  When they take the position, tips are an assumed portion of their compensation.  Tipping is the traditional and standard practice in this country.

When you agree to the terms of a job, that's a contract between you and you're employer.  Why do you assume the public will make up the difference for wages? That's what's wrong.  You don't see it as a problem between you and your place of work, you see it as unwritten expectations.  If it's standard and traditional, please feel free to add tip directly to the bill.  If you want to gamble and leave it up to the person to decide an amount, don't complain when you gamble and lose.  It's that simple.

The iRS disagrees with you.  The department of Labor disagrees with you (which is why subminimum wages are allowed).  It is part of American business practice.  You do not get to unilaterally change that.


You can however unilaterally challenge the belief behind it.
I am not challenging the notion of why it exists or if it's good or bad.  I am stating that it's akin to gambling and that you can never always win with gambling.
Expecting people to do things, regardless if it's customary or traditional, is fairly insane.  No matter what they'll be people that tip more than the norm, and there'll be people that tip nothing.  Complaining about it when it's part of your job is the crazy part.  If it's not required then be thankful when people leave tips.
Claims of spitting in food, empathy for servers, the amount of work they do is all irrelevant.  People don't go out to pay for people's wages, they go out to eat.
 
2014-03-09 02:45:50 PM  
I've found that if I tip well, my pizza arrives at my house hot, and quickly, and the guy usually throws in free drinks or wings or whatever now that he recognizes my address. Same at the bar. I tip well, they throw in a couple beers or a round of shots. That's my cool ass story bro.

OH! And back when I worked in food services, there was this jackhole who never tipped and we would fart on his sandwiches and put the salami for his sub on our boobies and walk around the back like that until it was time for them to go on. And we licked his sub roll. Giggity.
 
2014-03-09 02:55:39 PM  
WTF is this 30% shiat?

Oh hell no.  Not doing it, not going there.

The only way service could possibly be good enough for me to be ok with 30% is if the hot waitress is giving me a beej under the table while I'm eating.

We went to 20% when the feds farked up the minimum wage, the tipped employee wage needs to go away.  But there's no reason to go to 30%.  Food is getting more expensive, 20% already indexes with inflation.

20% for good service.  15% for crappy service.  Penny for amazingly horrible service (this takes something truly bad, like spilling something on you or completely ignoring you between taking your order and handing you the check.)
 
2014-03-09 02:56:36 PM  
Filling my tea is pretty tough stuff.
 
2014-03-09 02:57:23 PM  

Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I've found that if I tip well, my pizza arrives at my house hot, and quickly, and the guy usually throws in free drinks or wings or whatever now that he recognizes my address. Same at the bar. I tip well, they throw in a couple beers or a round of shots. That's my cool ass story bro.

OH! And back when I worked in food services, there was this jackhole who never tipped and we would fart on his sandwiches and put the salami for his sub on our boobies and walk around the back like that until it was time for them to go on. And we licked his sub roll. Giggity.


I'm really glad you don't work in food service any more, then.  You doing that to some guy's food is infinitely more jackhole than not tipping...in fact, it's criminal and people like you should be charged for doing that shiat.  Never mess with people's food.
 
2014-03-09 03:04:08 PM  
A tipping thread without Springs1????

Blasphemy

/waited tables as management on occasion (when short staffed)
//got tipped $5 by Elijah Wood for 4 burgers, fries, cokes and shakes  (company gave out cards for VIPs, so the VIP +3 guests got to eat for free---so he ate for free and tipped $5).
///got tipped $100 by Heath Ledger once, for 2 burgers, fries and a couple of cokes (on a VIP card)
///split all the tips among the staff working at the time
 
2014-03-09 03:06:17 PM  

goochmeister42: Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I've found that if I tip well, my pizza arrives at my house hot, and quickly, and the guy usually throws in free drinks or wings or whatever now that he recognizes my address. Same at the bar. I tip well, they throw in a couple beers or a round of shots. That's my cool ass story bro.

OH! And back when I worked in food services, there was this jackhole who never tipped and we would fart on his sandwiches and put the salami for his sub on our boobies and walk around the back like that until it was time for them to go on. And we licked his sub roll. Giggity.

I'm really glad you don't work in food service any more, then.  You doing that to some guy's food is infinitely more jackhole than not tipping...in fact, it's criminal and people like you should be charged for doing that shiat.  Never mess with people's food.


Oh I totally admit I was terrible and feel bad. Alas, I was 17. This was more of a reminder to everyone that there are some real turds preparing your food, and because of how much of a coont I was in my youth working in the food industry, I tend to be generous with my tip. I'm generous with my tip in other areas of life too if ya know what I mean.
 
2014-03-09 03:27:53 PM  

Hypergreatthing: Have you ever done some physical labor jobs?
Somehow dealing with people makes things difficult. Tell that to all the retail jobs that are customer facing that don't get tips.


It really is mentally and emotionally exhaustive.  For instance, having to put up with and serve assholes like you, and then to top that off getting no tip, will ruin your entire day.
 
2014-03-09 03:58:08 PM  
Here's what always bothers me:

Go to a very nice restaurant, and when you get the check it will say:  "20% gratuity was included in the price of the food."  Yet... there is still a gratuity line on the check.  I understand that the gratuity line is in case you want to tip more, but I always feel like a cheap bastard when I leave it blank.  I think what I need is another line that says, "No, you're not a douche if you don't give the server more."
 
2014-03-09 04:07:03 PM  

Farker Soze: Hypergreatthing: Have you ever done some physical labor jobs?
Somehow dealing with people makes things difficult. Tell that to all the retail jobs that are customer facing that don't get tips.

It really is mentally and emotionally exhaustive.  For instance, having to put up with and serve assholes like you, and then to top that off getting no tip, will ruin your entire day.


On the rare occasion i do go out to eat I am actually really polite and always tip 15-20% unless the service was absolutely horrendous.
I just object to the idea of tipping.
The argument is usually as follows:
Waiters(tresses): Boo hoo, i make shiat money.  On top of that i get stiffed by people every once in a wihle.  They must be ridiculed and shamed for daring to do such a thing.
Me: Why don't you find another job, or put the tip on the bill, or ask your manager to pay you more?
Waiters(tresses): How dare you question the system? I'm only required to make above min wage and in places i can make upwards of 100k with the majority of my earnings off the books for tax reasons.  This is the most strenuous job ever.  We're required to carry plates of food and bring drinks to tables and deal with irate customers who just want to eat.  No one else has it harder than us.
Me: So you're saying you have it harder than EMTs/nurses/firemen who actually have to watch people die? It's more stressful than being a soldier, or even an office worker in a high pace industry? It's more important than being a teacher, doctor?
Waiters(tresses): Yes.  It's harder than all of those professions actually.
Me: ....right
 
2014-03-09 04:13:24 PM  

AlgertMan: Tipping is optional and you are not entitled to it


THIS.   I usually tip very generously.   But give me shiatty service and act like you're ENTITLED to something you didn't earn?  You get jack shiat.

Last year when I was in NYC, my order came to $14.25.   I was going to leave a $5 tip, because I actually needed a couple quarters for something.   Ms. Entiled felt like she could just take the coins without even bothering to ask.   So that's all she got, along with a note explaining why, and what her undeserved sense of entitlement cost her.
 
2014-03-09 04:15:50 PM  

goochmeister42: inclemency: I'm quite surprised that none of the self-righteous pro-tipping crowd (servers or ex-servers mostly it seemed) responded to my post regarding the income disparity between those who make the food (actually provide a service) and the leeches who profit undeservedly off their labour.

Perhaps it's indefensible.

Apparently you don't realize that most servers tip out the cooks, bussers, host/hostesses, and bartenders. In many cases, they're required to.

If the servers in an establishment make the most, they're doing themselves a favor by spreading that around to the rest of the staff so the other people will work to make their lives easier. Teamwork and everyone makes more.


1) not all restaurants tip out the kitchen. Mine does and, while I appreciate the almost-buck-an-hour it is not enough to justify the wealth disparity. Not even close.
2) re: Teamwork. Hahahahahahaha, you've no idea how a restaurant works.
 
2014-03-09 04:29:49 PM  

Hypergreatthing: Farker Soze: Hypergreatthing: Have you ever done some physical labor jobs?
Somehow dealing with people makes things difficult. Tell that to all the retail jobs that are customer facing that don't get tips.

It really is mentally and emotionally exhaustive.  For instance, having to put up with and serve assholes like you, and then to top that off getting no tip, will ruin your entire day.

On the rare occasion i do go out to eat I am actually really polite and always tip 15-20% unless the service was absolutely horrendous.
I just object to the idea of tipping.
The argument is usually as follows:
Waiters(tresses): Boo hoo, i make shiat money.  On top of that i get stiffed by people every once in a wihle.  They must be ridiculed and shamed for daring to do such a thing.
Me: Why don't you find another job, or put the tip on the bill, or ask your manager to pay you more?
Waiters(tresses): How dare you question the system? I'm only required to make above min wage and in places i can make upwards of 100k with the majority of my earnings off the books for tax reasons.  This is the most strenuous job ever.  We're required to carry plates of food and bring drinks to tables and deal with irate customers who just want to eat.  No one else has it harder than us.
Me: So you're saying you have it harder than EMTs/nurses/firemen who actually have to watch people die? It's more stressful than being a soldier, or even an office worker in a high pace industry? It's more important than being a teacher, doctor?
Waiters(tresses): Yes.  It's harder than all of those professions actually.
Me: ....right


Have you ever actually had that conversation in real life with someone in the process of serving you? If so, after putting them through that, you should tip 500%.
 
2014-03-09 04:59:22 PM  
goochmeister42:

Apparently you don't realize that most servers tip out the cooks, bussers, host/hostesses, and bartenders. In many cases, they're required to.


Biggest load of horse shiat in this thread.  At most they require them to split some of their tip with whoever play host that night at the front.  That's it.
 
2014-03-09 04:59:52 PM  
TIPS = To insure prompt service  WRONG!
TYPS = Thank you for prompt service (Right!)

A tips you would give when you sat down... to insure prompt service... which would not be guaranteed.

A typs you give to say "Thank You" for great service, which you don't get if you sucked at your job.
 
2014-03-09 05:03:31 PM  

AlgertMan: goochmeister42:

Apparently you don't realize that most servers tip out the cooks, bussers, host/hostesses, and bartenders. In many cases, they're required to.


Biggest load of horse shiat in this thread.  At most they require them to split some of their tip with whoever play host that night at the front.  That's it.


Nope. When I served at a high end place in college, we tipped out the bussers, hosts and bartenders. We didn't tip out the cooks, but if we went out after a shift, it was understood that they were never buying the most rounds.
 
2014-03-09 05:05:25 PM  

Stoker: TIPS = To insure prompt service  WRONG!
TYPS = Thank you for prompt service (Right!)

A tips you would give when you sat down... to insure prompt service... which would not be guaranteed.

A typs you give to say "Thank You" for great service, which you don't get if you sucked at your job.


I know you're going for the acronym, but I think 'ensure' is more appropriate than 'insure'.
 
2014-03-09 05:30:34 PM  

Stoker: TIPS = To insure prompt service  WRONG!
TYPS = Thank you for prompt service (Right!)

A tips you would give when you sat down... to insure prompt service... which would not be guaranteed.

A typs you give to say "Thank You" for great service, which you don't get if you sucked at your job.


What type of insane Tumblr logic is this?
 
2014-03-09 07:36:19 PM  

Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: goochmeister42: Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I've found that if I tip well, my pizza arrives at my house hot, and quickly, and the guy usually throws in free drinks or wings or whatever now that he recognizes my address. Same at the bar. I tip well, they throw in a couple beers or a round of shots. That's my cool ass story bro.

OH! And back when I worked in food services, there was this jackhole who never tipped and we would fart on his sandwiches and put the salami for his sub on our boobies and walk around the back like that until it was time for them to go on. And we licked his sub roll. Giggity.

I'm really glad you don't work in food service any more, then.  You doing that to some guy's food is infinitely more jackhole than not tipping...in fact, it's criminal and people like you should be charged for doing that shiat.  Never mess with people's food.

Oh I totally admit I was terrible and feel bad. Alas, I was 17. This was more of a reminder to everyone that there are some real turds preparing your food, and because of how much of a coont I was in my youth working in the food industry, I tend to be generous with my tip. I'm generous with my tip in other areas of life too if ya know what I mean.


Well thank goodness, you've clearly grown out of it.
 
2014-03-09 08:08:04 PM  

goochmeister42: Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I've found that if I tip well, my pizza arrives at my house hot, and quickly, and the guy usually throws in free drinks or wings or whatever now that he recognizes my address. Same at the bar. I tip well, they throw in a couple beers or a round of shots. That's my cool ass story bro.

OH! And back when I worked in food services, there was this jackhole who never tipped and we would fart on his sandwiches and put the salami for his sub on our boobies and walk around the back like that until it was time for them to go on. And we licked his sub roll. Giggity.

I'm really glad you don't work in food service any more, then.  You doing that to some guy's food is infinitely more jackhole than not tipping...in fact, it's criminal and people like you should be charged for doing that shiat.  Never mess with people's food.


ah, you never noticed so no harm done?

i don't do special orders at fast food. i think they call them "grill orders" at mcdonalds.
example: big mac, no pickles.
i would take them off myself if i didn't want pickles.
i won't even ask for grill orders for others if i was buying for a bunch of people.
nope, you can go and order yourself....

reason: people i knew that worked at mcdonalds told me some of the cooks would mess with grill orders.
 
2014-03-09 08:22:53 PM  

Hypergreatthing: MycroftHolmes: Hypergreatthing: MycroftHolmes: Hypergreatthing: if you don't want low wages, don't accept a position that pays you below min wage.

You are an idiot.  When they take the position, tips are an assumed portion of their compensation.  Tipping is the traditional and standard practice in this country.

When you agree to the terms of a job, that's a contract between you and you're employer.  Why do you assume the public will make up the difference for wages? That's what's wrong.  You don't see it as a problem between you and your place of work, you see it as unwritten expectations.  If it's standard and traditional, please feel free to add tip directly to the bill.  If you want to gamble and leave it up to the person to decide an amount, don't complain when you gamble and lose.  It's that simple.

The iRS disagrees with you.  The department of Labor disagrees with you (which is why subminimum wages are allowed).  It is part of American business practice.  You do not get to unilaterally change that.

You can however unilaterally challenge the belief behind it.
I am not challenging the notion of why it exists or if it's good or bad.  I am stating that it's akin to gambling and that you can never always win with gambling.
Expecting people to do things, regardless if it's customary or traditional, is fairly insane.  No matter what they'll be people that tip more than the norm, and there'll be people that tip nothing.  Complaining about it when it's part of your job is the crazy part.  If it's not required then be thankful when people leave tips.
Claims of spitting in food, empathy for servers, the amount of work they do is all irrelevant.  People don't go out to pay for people's wages, they go out to eat.


No, people exchange money for goods and services.  A tip is part of that transaction.  This really isn't complicated.
 
2014-03-09 08:26:52 PM  

Hypergreatthing: Farker Soze: Hypergreatthing: Have you ever done some physical labor jobs?
Somehow dealing with people makes things difficult. Tell that to all the retail jobs that are customer facing that don't get tips.

It really is mentally and emotionally exhaustive.  For instance, having to put up with and serve assholes like you, and then to top that off getting no tip, will ruin your entire day.

On the rare occasion i do go out to eat I am actually really polite and always tip 15-20% unless the service was absolutely horrendous.
I just object to the idea of tipping.
The argument is usually as follows:
Waiters(tresses): Boo hoo, i make shiat money.  On top of that i get stiffed by people every once in a wihle.  They must be ridiculed and shamed for daring to do such a thing.
Me: Why don't you find another job, or put the tip on the bill, or ask your manager to pay you more?
Waiters(tresses): How dare you question the system? I'm only required to make above min wage and in places i can make upwards of 100k with the majority of my earnings off the books for tax reasons.  This is the most strenuous job ever.  We're required to carry plates of food and bring drinks to tables and deal with irate customers who just want to eat.  No one else has it harder than us.
Me: So you're saying you have it harder than EMTs/nurses/firemen who actually have to watch people die? It's more stressful than being a soldier, or even an office worker in a high pace industry? It's more important than being a teacher, doctor?
Waiters(tresses): Yes.  It's harder than all of those professions actually.
Me: ....right


I see why you don't go out much.  Don't take this the wrong way, actually there is no right way to say this, but if what you have written truly reflects how you act, you are an ass and need some serious adjustment and perspective,  I am not joking.  Go, get help.
 
2014-03-10 09:14:04 AM  

goochmeister42: Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I've found that if I tip well, my pizza arrives at my house hot, and quickly, and the guy usually throws in free drinks or wings or whatever now that he recognizes my address. Same at the bar. I tip well, they throw in a couple beers or a round of shots. That's my cool ass story bro.

OH! And back when I worked in food services, there was this jackhole who never tipped and we would fart on his sandwiches and put the salami for his sub on our boobies and walk around the back like that until it was time for them to go on. And we licked his sub roll. Giggity.

I'm really glad you don't work in food service any more, then.  You doing that to some guy's food is infinitely more jackhole than not tipping...in fact, it's criminal and people like you should be charged for doing that shiat.  Never mess with people's food.


Your reading comprehension missed the humor about the Customer doing all that didn't it.
 
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