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2014-03-08 11:42:04 PM  

enderthexenocide: umad: When did the minimum become 20%?

hell, i want to know when the minimum became 15%.  i remember when i was told 12% was a proper tip, and i left that much for years until one of my friends was like "dude why are you leaving so little?"

how are casual restaurant customers supposed to know this magical arbitrary number that counts as an "acceptable" tip?  do the waiters think we're psychic?  i think this is part of the reason people like me don't like tipping at all, because the percent just keeps going up.  pretty soon it will be 25% and then 30% and if i try to argue about it, people will just look down on me like i'm some kind of cheapskate.


Pretty easy to look it up. There are apps for it. I think $3 minimum is standard too, isn't it? Or is that just for pizza deliveries?

What I don't get is tipping people who cut your hair. That shiat is weird. I never saw it done growing up, but things say it's expected? But it seems really unnatural. Like. There's no set time where I can easily tip or not tip. .. It's just weird, I dunno. I think Mom would sometimes pay a little more, but never like a "hafta tip every time" thing. Can someone explain that one to me?
 
2014-03-08 11:47:25 PM  

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


I wouldn't say a word to you.  I would go to the manager and tell him or her that you have already been openly hostile to me and I refuse to serve you.  The manager, being someone that I work with on a daily basis and have a good working relationship with, would agree with me and then would ask you to repeat what you said to me.  After hearing your asshole rant, he or she would ask you to leave the restaurant.

"you are not to speak to me" who the FARK do you think you are?  Stay home in your castle, King Socializer.
 
2014-03-08 11:50:12 PM  

NFA: So Christians think of tithing is "tipping" god?


fixed that for thinking humans
 
2014-03-08 11:52:05 PM  

IsNoGood: Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?

Only in the US are you able to Add another ducking thing that the world don't want or need.

Tipping a system for giving providing feedback for a job well done, or done above expatiations.
Tipping is not a salary
Tipping is not a given % of anything

Why If this is so important to a US person, ducking tip at Wendy's ?   I heard fast food salary's are low in the US,

Why I never going back, and if I happen to  need to I map out all fast-food joints before hand so I don't have to Tip a shiat


ROFL
I hope when people come to visit you, that they wear shoes in your house or spit on any and all things different in your country.
 
2014-03-08 11:53:49 PM  

whatshisname: Minimum? 20% for exceptional service, 15% or very good, 10% for OK service.
The price of restaurant meals has been increasing with inflation, so there's no need for the tip percentage to increase. Why was 10% fine 20 years ago, but now it's 20%?


Because the restaurants paid the wait staff less and less.
 
2014-03-08 11:56:23 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18?"

Maybe because I need money more than God does?

/why does God need money?


www.millionaireplayboy.com
 
2014-03-08 11:57:07 PM  

farking_texan: another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.

I wouldn't say a word to you.  I would go to the manager and tell him or her that you have already been openly hostile to me and I refuse to serve you.  The manager, being someone that I work with on a daily basis and have a good working relationship with, would agree with me and then would ask you to repeat what you said to me.  After hearing your asshole rant, he or she would ask you to leave the restaurant.

"you are not to speak to me" who the FARK do you think you are?  Stay home in your castle, King Socializer.


I assumed this was farce - $35 for two - with an up-front $20 tip?
afterwards do we fill the good crystal with Thunderbird and toast our penny-stock performance?
 
2014-03-09 12:02:44 AM  

Roja Herring: Stuart Wolfe: BGates: Min tip is 0% not 20%.

You're an over compensating douche if you think you need to tip 20% minimum.

Do a good job and you'll get a tip.  Do a terrible job and you'll not.  Not that hard to figure out.  Don't want to work for tips, then get a different job.

This.

Although my parents taught me a trick when I was a teenager: always keep a penny in your wallet for the rare occasion when your waiter is completely incompetent - because if they do a terrible job and you leave nothing, they can just assume that you forgot the tip, but placing a penny on the table is a neat way to tell them they were terrible. And I've done that maybe three times in my life to waiters who were so bad I made it a mental note to never eat at that particular restaurant for a few years.

BTW, I'm a pretty generous tipper the rest of the time. These guys work hard and deserve it IMHO.

That's a super dick move.  Could be the worst day of a peron's life and that penny might just be the thing to push them over the edge.  As long as you feel  better about yourself with the neat trick to tell some one you don't approve everything is cool though.


Glad to hear it, especially since you seem to have  missed the other parts of the post where I said I'm a generous poster otherwise, and that I respect the hard work they do, oh and the fact that I've only done that three times in my life - and let me assure you, the waiting they did those three times was so bad they earned that penny, so to speak. But as long as you feel better ignoring all of that, I'm cool too.

Heck, I'm sure most of us here have had a day when everything went wrong and still had to go to work. The point is that while you are at work and you are getting paid to so, it's your responsibility to act like the professional you are or call in sick, but no one should be allowed to pass off their terrible day onto someone else without some kind of consequence.  They're being paid to do a good job representing the restaurant, and I tip big when they do at least a decent job doing so. If they do such a bad job that I want to avoid the place for years, so be it.
 
2014-03-09 12:03:58 AM  

thaduke: proper 20% minimum

Subby sounds poor and cheap.  The  proper minimum now is $30 or 30%, whichever is greater.  If you can't afford it, best stay home and eat Ramen.


When I waited tables I hated serving old people.  They never gave decent tips.  Now I know why.

When I waited 15% was expected/average and 20% was a good tip.  I've long quit waiting and usually tip 20% unless the service is sub-par for 15%.  In my head 20% is generous.  Why the time I'm 70, 20% will be an insult to the wait staff.


This realization has be believing that the whole tipping culture of the US needs to go away.  Give wait staff a decent wage and include the wage in the price of the food.
 
2014-03-09 12:08:48 AM  
Ahahahahaha 20% yeah sure more like 10 and 15 if you're exceptional
 
2014-03-09 12:10:12 AM  

rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.


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If you intend to give me inadequate service or spit in my food because I don't tip, then you have to tell me before I'm seated.  That way I can spend my money somewhere else.
 
2014-03-09 12:12:05 AM  

mudmin: Waitstaff needs to just suck it up with the individual tables and look at the average and shut up.

I worked at a crappy Ponderosa Steakhouse/Buffet from 93-95 as a high school student. Worked my butt off but never left the restaurant with less than an avg of $18/hr. For someone without a high school diploma. At a buffet.  Some people are going to tip well. Some are going to stiff you.  If you can't make $12 per hour on average at a restaurant, you're in the wrong line of work.

Waiters should also realize that real businesses face the same thing. Grocery store owners have things called loss leaders.  Sure, they sell some things below cost to get people in the door. Some people may come and buy those few items but most will buy more, so it works out for them in the end.

Welcome to the real world. Not every table is "fair"


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2014-03-09 12:17:02 AM  

Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?


http://is.gd/Dic1h7
 
2014-03-09 12:19:17 AM  
My goal reguarding tipping is to tip enough so that the next time i order, there's a fist fight between servers on who gets to bring me my food. And that no matter who's working, they all want to help me if there's an issue with anything. Works out very well.
 
2014-03-09 12:20:24 AM  

The Southern Dandy: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.



If you intend to give me inadequate service or spit in my food because I don't tip, then you have to tell me before I'm seated.  That way I can spend my money somewhere else.


You are aware that if you don't tip, you're costing the server money?

I don't think anyone would feel bad if the they don't have the pleasure of working for you.
 
2014-03-09 12:25:15 AM  
There are a lot of cheap ass people in this thread.
 
2014-03-09 12:28:10 AM  
"In the future, all tipping will be done this way"
http://youtu.be/V1ZZWhSvOMI
 
2014-03-09 12:29:41 AM  
Everybody stop, shut up, go read Seneca letter 47 http://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Moral_ letters_to_Lucilius/Letter_47

Now, realize that the gist is still true. You might still wind up on the other side of the service industry divide, no matter how high and mighty you think your ass has risen.

Also, I think letter 47 lays out how super villains get henchmen willing to die for them.
 
2014-03-09 12:29:56 AM  
"Tipping threads are starting to keep me from eating out with my family."

I hear ya, who needs the hassle.
 
2014-03-09 12:30:15 AM  

rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.


I have a moral objection to the gratuity system, but I tip well. Actually left the jimmy John's guy a twenty for a larger delivery, even though he probably drove all of three minutes to get to us. I figure that'll get sandwiches to the L and D unit really fast though.

But yeah, people should just have a canned living wage and benefits, and my bill should have taxes and that's it. Under that system, if you want to reward servers, stop by the manager and say that you had a great experience and will come back because of so and so's service. Or have comment cards. That way managers can figure out who their stars are and move them up, nobody has to grovel, nobody has to feel guilty for only leaving eighteen percent (cuz some farking asses here seem to always suggest twenty five now. Really?), and everybody has a good time and stable job. I'll gladly pay six dollars for my five dollar burger to get that.

/did give a twenty five percent tip today, but it was a small bill in a cheaper place and I considered the time he spent with us and the patience with the kids he had. Otherwise fifteen if the dishes were expensive but we didn't take up much time at the table, and eighteen to twenty in typical situations.
 
2014-03-09 12:33:28 AM  

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

[img.fark.net image 576x835]

Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


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2014-03-09 12:34:12 AM  

parasol: farking_texan: 

"you are not to speak to me" who the FARK do you think you are?  Stay home in your castle, King Socializer.

I assumed this was farce - $35 for two - with an up-front $20 tip?
afterwards do we fill the good crystal with Thunderbird and toast our penny-stock performance?


You assume that this dude actually intends to give a server $20 at some point.  He does not.
 
2014-03-09 12:35:45 AM  
20% a "starting" tip? Maybe in the U.S., but here in Canada, most of the people I know would tip 15-20% for good service, and only more than 20% for truly excellent service. Then again, servers make more than $3 an hour here (I think the minimum for non-alcohol servers in Ontario is something like $7-8).

My rule of thumb is to add about a third to the pre-tax amount owed. Including sales taxes, that usually works out to about an 18-20% tip (depending on whether or not you tip on the tax).
 
2014-03-09 12:36:13 AM  
I tend to go back to restaurants that me and my family like, so I tip well. In exchange, we tend to get appetizers or drinks comped by the manager or owner in many of the places we frequent, and servers who are always happy to see us everywhere we frequent.
 
2014-03-09 12:38:07 AM  
The basic tip has always been 15% for me.  I'm usually more in the 20% range (even if money is tight,) as long as the server actually acts likes they give a shiat and stop by my table more than once.  I've rarely had terrible service from waitstaff in general, but the few times I have I still left something.
 
2014-03-09 12:39:17 AM  

Eponymous: Not many true wait staff on here....just a bunch of christian haters and this is how I can tell.....if I had a table of church women and a table of black women, 9 times out of 10 the church women would leave a better tip all things being equal.  It still may be a shiat tip....but the church women would at least leave something.


the black women ARE church women
 
2014-03-09 12:41:12 AM  
In that tip-free restaurant article I posted above, there was an interesting effect that the owner noticed.  Many of the customers were offended at not being able to tip because they thought it was their right to punish the servers.  Some of the behavior went far beyond merely punishing bad service.  He talks about customers who were openly abusive to the staff, who deliberately nit-picked everything about their experience so that they could get out of tipping (or get a free meal), and who simply wanted to take out their frustrations on someone they considered lessers.  Without tipping, they lost that power and it enraged them.  The owner talks about one food blogger who called out a server by name on her blog.  When the owner told her he thought that was inappropriate, she responded that it was the only way she had to punish the server since she couldn't tip.

The kicker is that the punishment rarely works.  For every douchebag who leaves a penny, you have someone like me who naturally overtips so that it all evens out in the long run.  Unless you're just such a prick that you leave a lasting impression, the server probably isn't even going to remember you by the end of the day.
 
2014-03-09 12:43:36 AM  

30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.


Speaking again ad an anti tipper, the waitress doesn't keep all of that. She gives a cut to almost everybody in the restaurant from the bar to the host or hostess.

I've been lucky in life, I studied for a long time and for a ling time I didn't have money to tip extravagantly, but I budgeted and always tipped appropriately. Now I've started my career and am making good money so I am enjoying tipping nicely, if only to make somebody's day and walk away before they even knew what hit them (only ti brag in the anonymous internet). However, I'm enjoying this now because it's a bit of a novelty right now. It still doesn't change the fact that the system sucks and I would wholeheartedly support scrapping the tip.
 
2014-03-09 12:45:53 AM  

bboy: Fluid: Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?

Assuming you're not in the U.S... "Minimum Wage" for waitstaff in the U.S. is like $2.30 an hour or so, forcing them to rely on tips to earn a living wage.  I do not know the history of that law.


That's just simply untrue. The law is that if your tips+wage does not add up to the normal minimum wage then your employer must make up the difference.
 
2014-03-09 12:45:59 AM  

NoahFenze: There are a lot of cheap ass people in this thread.


So you also Tip 20% at fast food ?

Bad system, if somehow you think this hidden cost to something your already paid for, but if you think it make you save money go a head and drop what you want because you feel you " need"
 
2014-03-09 12:46:26 AM  

vitamink619: The basic tip has always been 15% for me.  I'm usually more in the 20% range (even if money is tight,) as long as the server actually acts likes they give a shiat and stop by my table more than once.  I've rarely had terrible service from waitstaff in general, but the few times I have I still left something.


EXACTLY.  You want good service?  Act like a decent human being and treat your server with respect.  If they are really bad, that's a reflection on the owner and you should punish him by not giving him your business.

I've seen it over and over again.  The first couple of times you get the canned server performance.  After a few visits though, their attitude changes.  They recognize you, they know you aren't going to walk out on a tab or grab their ass or any of the stupid crap customers do.  They're friendlier, they anticipate your order, they throw in the occasional freebie.  In the end you get far better service than you would by leaving a penny as a tip.
 
2014-03-09 12:49:22 AM  
1. Way off course there, Mr. Roberts (he's hardly a "pastor")
2. Roberts is also classically ignorant of History
3. Head bangingly ignorant
 
2014-03-09 12:50:07 AM  

NoahFenze: There are a lot of cheap ass people evangelicals in this thread.


FTFM
 
2014-03-09 12:50:20 AM  
As former dishwasher/back of the house/prep I say waiters/waitresses can go fark themselves. They swan about like they are farking gods and think they are the gods gift to mankind. I can't wait for automated ordering systems to come in and put them all out of work.
 
2014-03-09 12:56:58 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-09 12:59:23 AM  

Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?


I doubt she gives God 10%. More likely she gives to a shady middleman,  or to herself, being one of those middlemen and all. Me, I have an agreement directly with God; anything he needs, 10%, 20%, 100% or whatever, he can magic out of my bank account whenever he likes. So far he's been really cool and hasn't needed one penny.
 
2014-03-09 01:06:37 AM  

Mad_Radhu: /Usually do 20% because I'm too lazy to do the math on 15%.


Because dividing by 10 and doubling  is so much easier than dividing by 10, then half that  again?

/wasn't it 12% standard at one point?  Now that'd take some calculation
//tips 20% because I thought it'd help wait staff remember me.  Sad if that's just standard
 
2014-03-09 01:18:40 AM  

IsNoGood: Why I never going back, and if I happen to need to I map out all fast-food joints before hand so I don't have to Tip a shiat


Gee, we'll really miss you Charlie.
 
2014-03-09 01:19:40 AM  
15-20% depending on service, and round up to the next dollar.  It's amazing how that extra $0.67 makes servers treat you like a damn philanthropist.
 
2014-03-09 01:23:54 AM  
I've got this. Cut in half. Extra plate.
 
2014-03-09 01:36:57 AM  
tip mafia:  "you have to tip your waiter because they make less than minimum wage."

reality 1: 15% of a single couple's $35 food bill plus their received wage is about equal to minimum wage.  So, if minimum wage was the issue, this would be for serving eight couples per day.. in other words, a day's pay for roughly 40 minutes of work, total.   Even if you set the numbers for a really inexpensive restaurant, the reality that "minimum wage" is not really the issue becomes obvious.

reality 2:  and yet those tipping websites insist that you tip all sorts of people who clearly do make more than minimum wage.

reality 3:  let's call tipping for what it really is: a pathway to income tax fraud resulting in probably as much as $10b in under-reported income, yearly.
 
2014-03-09 01:41:33 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: reality 3: let's call tipping for what it really is: a pathway


electronicsclub.info

/ HA HA!
 
2014-03-09 01:54:55 AM  
i.imgur.com

Know what the rest of the world pays?

$36.99

I know, it's mindblowing!
 
2014-03-09 03:09:39 AM  

blipponaut: Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.


losangeles.bitter-lemons.com
Agrees.
 
2014-03-09 03:09:49 AM  
I don't really care either way. I'll tip if the waiters good or I won't if they're bad.

I do hate the argument "If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out to eat", though. Obviously it isn't true because I ate out, you were a shiatty waiter, I paid for my meal, and I didn't tip you.
 
2014-03-09 03:11:54 AM  
Minimum 20%?

I just have to ask, is this one of those "witty" headlines designed to outrage someone enough to set up a "welcome to fark" response?
 
2014-03-09 03:12:17 AM  
I've been a Sonic carhop, but never a waitress. I did work as a cook in an Italian restaurant back in college, though, and we were paid well above minimum wage. But I was raised to remember a very simple thing: A few extra dollars over 20% on a 20 dollar ticket is a very cheap way to help raise the spirits of someone who might have had a really bad shift. I'm currently between full time jobs. I'm freelance writing just to make enough money to live on. If I go out to a restaurant, I still tip at least 30%. Because I've seen the look on too many waiters' and waitress' faces when they've worked their asses off on orders only to be tipped maybe a buck fifty total for a party of ten (there was no automatic gratuity in the restaurant I worked in). Not tipping isn't about principle; it's just an easy way for petty, mean people to feel superior to the people who are serving their food (and probably working much longer days than they ever will).
 
2014-03-09 03:27:26 AM  

umad: When did the minimum become 20%?


It's ridiculous if I don't pay the staffs salary I'm the cheap piece of shiat. That's liberals for ya though, make the choice to work at a place that pays below minimum wage then pass responsibility/consequences of said choice on to someone else.
 
2014-03-09 03:30:53 AM  

Gdalescrboz: It's ridiculous if I don't pay the staffs salary I'm the cheap piece of shiat. That's liberals for ya though, make the choice to work at a place that pays below minimum wage then pass responsibility/consequences of said choice on to someone else.


Funny, I always thought that setting the system up to screw the workers and save the company and owners money sounded like a conservative ideal.  Meanwhile liberals are the ones pushing for these places to actually PAY a living wage so we don't HAVE to tip to make it up.

Try not being a partisan twatwaffle in every aspect of life.
 
2014-03-09 03:32:40 AM  
I don't go out to eat all that often anymore because the job situation in Ohio sucks. There are more restaurants than any other business around here, and they all employ college/high school students who really don't want to work in the food service industry -- and to be quite honest, I can't say I blame them. But they have no real choice.

Unfortunately, because their heart isn't into it, and they're generally pretty farking unhappy and depressed, it shows in their work. They're extremely obvious with faking nice. They try to get you out the door within 30 seconds of your main course hitting your table. You aren't even finished putting your napkin on your lap before they're asking you if you want a box to take your food home in. If they aren't hovering around your table like a vulture putting pressure on you to leave, then they're straight up ignoring you. I eat my food leisurely at a restaurant so I can appreciate the company at my table, so if my glass is empty for most of the conversation, and I end up having to flag another waiter/waitress down to fill my order, my current server isn't going to get a very big tip.

It's gotten to the point where I've had so many bad experiences, that I'm getting tired of biatching to management about how shiatty their staff is (and this is at multiple restaurants), and I don't consider myself an unreasonable customer. I don't make any unusual demands. I don't try to haggle, I don't ask a million questions, I don't ever ask how much longer my food will be. I remain as polite as a guest should be expected to be.

But if that respect isn't returned (over and over again, it seems), then I really have no desire to go out to eat anymore. I just cook my own food or I order a pizza -- the delivery drivers are usually way more polite (depending on the establishment), and I give them a decent tip each time they show up to my doorstep.

But if I go to another city, like New York City, or L.A., Orlando, or what have you... the staff there are nothing but polite and go out of their way to make sure your stay at their eating establishment was a nice one and will comp you on things I never would have expected to be comped before. I know my food arrived 10 minutes later than the waiter said it should have been, and knocked off 10% off my bill.

That kind of shiat never happens in Ohio. If you wait 10 minutes longer than you should have, not only would your waiter not say anything, but even if you asked they'd tell you to get over it.
 
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