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2014-03-08 10:20:31 PM  
This article says the Avg wage for a waiter in Houston was $49k. Not bad for a job that doesn't require a HS diploma.

Dwindle: mudmin:

Since when is every single job on planet earth worthy of a "living wage."  Aren't there some jobs that are just good for high schoolers and college kids and people who are supplementing household income?  I'm not opposed to tipping (I tip well), but it's not my job to fix all your life's decisions.

Tell them that when you arrive at the restaurant so you can serve them appropriately.
Hope your end customers get to determine your wage.


This article (from 2011) said the avg wage for a waiter in Houston was $49k. Not bad for a job that doesn't require a HS diploma.

Again....it's about averages. Everyone wants to complain about the table that tipped them a buck when we all know they don't even report that $100 tip to the IRS.
 
2014-03-08 10:21:16 PM  

He_Hate_Me: Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars


What? You think this is Europe? Next you'll be demanding that the food be edible!
 
2014-03-08 10:21:54 PM  

Rodeodoc: I'm sure there are lots of Jews... that are tight asses as well.


I'd almost bet on it.
 
2014-03-08 10:22:24 PM  
In the words of Wil Wheaton  "Don't be a dick"
 
2014-03-08 10:23:52 PM  
Everyone's wothless but you.  You are a precious snowflake.

Who's talking about wothless?  I'm a former waiter and I loved it. It's just that not every job is designed to be a head of household living wage job.  Nobody complains when the 14 year old babysitter doesn't get a 401k with an employer match. Waiting tables is an honest job that someone could (and people do) make a great living at...but I don't see where society needs to guarantee every waiter $70k plus benes.

/tips generously
 
2014-03-08 10:26:58 PM  
My sister waited tables when younger.     I worked in the restaurant also but only was pressed into waiting a few tables if it got super busy.

She never complained about tips.   Some days were better than others, but that is life.
Neither of us ever really talked about tips.    If money was the thing that made us tick,  we wouldn't have worked there.   I just tip 15%.

When more income was needed, we got real jobs.
 
2014-03-08 10:27:00 PM  
Texmaniac:

I tip generously and always try and call them by their name. But dont tell my to stay home if i cant tip.
My choice biatch.


And your waitstaff can choose to let you sit for an hour waiting for your food and then wipe their ass with the most satisfying part of your fresh-and-fruity.
 
2014-03-08 10:27:05 PM  
10% tip is sufficient
 
2014-03-08 10:28:44 PM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-08 10:33:49 PM  
I tip very generously, you may not think tipping makes logical sense but it's the system we have. I start at 20% and go to 40 for a really good meal and service. I think if you don't ever tip you are a dick; stay home if you can't afford the tip plus the meal. The last time I didn't tip was when the food was very late and I politely said something to the waitress who cut me off rudely and said "I don't control the kitchen." Which was true but a shiatty way to respond to me. The lack of tip was for her rudeness.

My college GF was a waitress. She said the evangelicals were the worst, they'd come in packs of 20 and leave a dollar or two as a tip.

/CSBs out
 
2014-03-08 10:35:30 PM  

Texmaniac: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

I call bullshiat.....i dont have to tip. Its a courtesy, the server however STILL has to do their job....which is to take my order and bring it to the table. The problem is the pay system for the waitstaff....the restaurant should up the pay.

I tip generously and always try and call them by their name. But dont tell my to stay home if i cant tip.
My choice biatch.


Being an asshole is always a choice, but it's the choice only an asshole would make.
 
2014-03-08 10:35:58 PM  
Many of you are absolution asses on tipping. My guess is that you vote republican.
 
2014-03-08 10:36:04 PM  

trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 402x337]


God and Tipping. If we could work cyclists into the discussion we'd have a trifecta of hate.
 
2014-03-08 10:36:29 PM  
A place near me pays the staff a real wage and the listed prices includes the tax and guess what it really is in the end a cheaper place to eat than many of the competitors who pay their staff peanuts and make them count on tips to make up the difference.  It is probably because of the lines of satisfied customers at the counters and the happy servers who get your order fast every time I go there that makes them profitable.
 
2014-03-08 10:36:51 PM  

Nem Wan: Combine that with "right to work" laws (which are Republican-speak for "right to fire for any reason")


Actually it's "at-will employment".  "Right to work" means that union membership can't be a requirement for a job.
 
2014-03-08 10:37:13 PM  
lohphat:

Why should some employees get to rake in tips while other members of the staff don't?

I'm sure the landscapers at hotels or the janitors who don't to rooms work hard too why don't they get tips?

Other civilized countries have good wages and a stated service charge. Tips are for special occasions. In many of these counties tips are refused or not expected...because they're just doing their jobs.


Because good waitstaff are hard to find, whereas cooks and porters are a dime a dozen.
And no, there is no country where waitstaff, cab drivers, strippers or congressmen are nearly as well paid, or nearly as beneficent.

Service, as well as wages, is dismal in every white person country.

Asians are the exception that prove the rule.
 
2014-03-08 10:38:40 PM  

mrlewish: Many of you are absolution asses on tipping. My guess is that you vote republican.


I'm a libertarian, but most studies I've read say that Republicans are more generous across the board than Democrats.

Democrats are more generous with other people's tax money.

Thanks Obama.

/I'll just leave that right there and go to bed.
 
2014-03-08 10:39:38 PM  

30yrs2l8: The expectation for 20% tips is out of control. Taking the family out to a normal dinner at a sit down place runs $50 to $60. The waitress, even if very nice and helpful will spend all of 10 minutes with us thru the whole visit. How is 10 minutes worth $10 to $12? That is a pay rate of around $60 an hour. I have a really decent job and don't make half of that. People have completely lost sight of the fact that any job has a certain value to it and not more no matter how much you think you are entitled to.


Servers share tips with other staff you don't see, like the kitchen staff. Plenty of places divide tips equally.
 
2014-03-08 10:40:20 PM  

umad: When did the minimum become 20%?


just now. in a few years it will be 25%

i googled it, in the 50's is was 5%
 
2014-03-08 10:40:41 PM  
Just the tip?
 
2014-03-08 10:41:13 PM  

mudmin: most studies I've read


lol
 
2014-03-08 10:41:33 PM  

umad: When did the minimum become 20%?


That's what I was thinking. I thought it was 15%.
 
2014-03-08 10:41:40 PM  

mudmin: If you can't make $12 per hour on average at a restaurant, you're in the wrong line of work.


The problem is that the waiters are being made to swallow the risk of there not being any customers.... plenty of times they don't make 12 an hour, the problem is not getting enough tables, or getting too many Canadians or Golden Girls...
 
2014-03-08 10:49:08 PM  

BGates: Min tip is 0% not 20%.

You're an over compensating douche if you think you need to tip 20% minimum.

Do a good job and you'll get a tip.  Do a terrible job and you'll not.  Not that hard to figure out.  Don't want to work for tips, then get a different job.


This.

Although my parents taught me a trick when I was a teenager: always keep a penny in your wallet for the rare occasion when your waiter is completely incompetent - because if they do a terrible job and you leave nothing, they can just assume that you forgot the tip, but placing a penny on the table is a neat way to tell them they were terrible. And I've done that maybe three times in my life to waiters who were so bad I made it a mental note to never eat at that particular restaurant for a few years.

BTW, I'm a pretty generous tipper the rest of the time. These guys work hard and deserve it IMHO.
 
2014-03-08 10:49:08 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?

Maybe because God only shells out for a horrible tasting cracker and a sip of cheap wine?


Church i went to as a kid had decent wine and a delicious honey bread. Seriously I want to buy Jesus' flesh from them so I can eat it regularly. That might sound sick but it was that good.
 
2014-03-08 10:50:26 PM  
Not many true wait staff on here....just a bunch of christian haters and this is how I can tell.....if I had a table of church women and a table of black women, 9 times out of 10 the church women would leave a better tip all things being equal.  It still may be a shiat tip....but the church women would at least leave something.
 
2014-03-08 10:52:56 PM  

Stuart Wolfe: BGates: Min tip is 0% not 20%.

You're an over compensating douche if you think you need to tip 20% minimum.

Do a good job and you'll get a tip.  Do a terrible job and you'll not.  Not that hard to figure out.  Don't want to work for tips, then get a different job.

This.

Although my parents taught me a trick when I was a teenager: always keep a penny in your wallet for the rare occasion when your waiter is completely incompetent - because if they do a terrible job and you leave nothing, they can just assume that you forgot the tip, but placing a penny on the table is a neat way to tell them they were terrible. And I've done that maybe three times in my life to waiters who were so bad I made it a mental note to never eat at that particular restaurant for a few years.

BTW, I'm a pretty generous tipper the rest of the time. These guys work hard and deserve it IMHO.


That's a super dick move.  Could be the worst day of a peron's life and that penny might just be the thing to push them over the edge.  As long as you feel  better about yourself with the neat trick to tell some one you don't approve everything is cool though.
 
2014-03-08 10:53:03 PM  

boredofedu: I see a total disconnect in this. You go to church on sunday and then go out to dinner? What ever happened to "Keep the Sabbath Day holy"? Is Sunday not the Sabbath?


Only ones I know of that really make a point of trying not to shop etc on Sundays are Mormons.
 
2014-03-08 10:53:09 PM  

Eponymous: Not many true wait staff on here....just a bunch of christian haters and this is how I can tell.....if I had a table of church women and a table of black women, 9 times out of 10 the church women would leave a better tip all things being equal.  It still may be a shiat tip....but the church women would at least leave something.


I wasn't going to go there, but you're right.  Smokers also tipped worse. Losers.
 
2014-03-08 10:54:31 PM  

doloresonthedottedline: boredofedu: I see a total disconnect in this. You go to church on sunday and then go out to dinner? What ever happened to "Keep the Sabbath Day holy"? Is Sunday not the Sabbath?

Only ones I know of that really make a point of trying not to shop etc on Sundays are Mormons.


And anyone with Adventist or Davidian in their name.
 
2014-03-08 10:55:41 PM  

Eponymous: just a bunch of christian haters and this is how I can tell


You can tell they're just a bunch of christian haters because you're a racist?

(those hypothetical black women you're talking about are probably Christian)
 
2014-03-08 10:57:12 PM  

mudmin: trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 402x337]

God and Tipping. If we could work cyclists into the discussion we'd have a trifecta of hate.


I know another way

i141.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-08 10:57:15 PM  

TerminalEchoes: umad: When did the minimum become 20%?

That's what I was thinking. I thought it was 15%.


Both Miss Manners and Emily Post say that the range for tipping is 15-20%. 15% for "good" service and 20% for "great" service. I don't believe Emily Post addresses what to do about poor service, but I believe Miss Manners says 10% is the minimum due to the way wages are structured in the US. Miss Manners dislikes the system of tipping but believes we have a duty to do so regardless of those views.

/in case you wanted the "expert" opinion on the matter
 
2014-03-08 10:57:36 PM  

rustypouch: Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?

I don't know the origins of it.

I just know I'm not going to screw over someone who's bringing me food, just to make a point about something they have no control over.


It started, apparently, in 1977, and got locked into $2.13 an hour forever in 1996.  Other important points: the restaurant still has to "make up the difference" to get their wage to the Federal Minimum, though that obviously means that extra effort will NOT be rewarded because you have to make so darned much in tips just to get past that threshold.

Can't find the reasoning, but I'll bet ya dollars-to-donuts it involved "Only teenagers and kids have these jobs and they do such bad jobs anyway, hem hur hem, no need to ensure their income."  *Mustache tweak*

IIRC that's a Republican Congress and a Democrat President, though the amount of wheeling and dealing involved in a minimum wage hike (as opposed to a congressional pay hike that is automatic) makes that almost meaningless.
 
2014-03-08 10:57:45 PM  
That's a super dick move.  Could be the worst day of a peron's life and that penny might just be the thing to push them over the edge.  As long as you feel  better about yourself with the neat trick to tell some one you don't approve everything is cool though.

Waiters should also realize that not getting a refill on my Diet Coke might be the thing to push me over the edge. Maybe I was just trying to have a nice dinner and contemplate life.  It's cool though. They got their third smoke break this hour. We're good.
 
2014-03-08 11:02:05 PM  
some posters on this thread should really eat at home -

I'd would like to thank those of you who profess to be "non-tippers" - it is causing many establishments in tourist-centric cities to add the tip onto the bill for you (and, yes, it is 20%)

you go on with your bad non-tipping self - owners still have to meet a minimum wage, by law

if you are really twisting on the tines, just ask your server (not that you will, of course) - you might discover that s/he is waiting tables by shifts to pay for tuition to qualify for that "not this job" job

.Too many of the posts here read like "Lord of the Manor" fantasies.....
 
2014-03-08 11:04:16 PM  

cgremlin: Nem Wan: Combine that with "right to work" laws (which are Republican-speak for "right to fire for any reason")

Actually it's "at-will employment".  "Right to work" means that union membership can't be a requirement for a job.


Illinois is a very Democrat state and a very At-Willl Employment state. It promotes unions because no one else has employment protection. All that the boss has to say is "you are not what we are looking for" and they can fire you and there is nothing you can say or do that will protect your job unless you are in a union.
 
2014-03-08 11:05:54 PM  

mudmin: That's a super dick move.  Could be the worst day of a peron's life and that penny might just be the thing to push them over the edge.  As long as you feel  better about yourself with the neat trick to tell some one you don't approve everything is cool though.

Waiters should also realize that not getting a refill on my Diet Coke might be the thing to push me over the edge. Maybe I was just trying to have a nice dinner and contemplate life.  It's cool though. They got their third smoke break this hour. We're good.


Well then let me be the first to say I hope your life improves to the point where you can begin to feel and display empathy and compassion for your fellow human being.  Good luck and best wishes.
 
2014-03-08 11:06:29 PM  

umad: When did the minimum become 20%?


hell, i want to know when the minimum became 15%.  i remember when i was told 12% was a proper tip, and i left that much for years until one of my friends was like "dude why are you leaving so little?"

how are casual restaurant customers supposed to know this magical arbitrary number that counts as an "acceptable" tip?  do the waiters think we're psychic?  i think this is part of the reason people like me don't like tipping at all, because the percent just keeps going up.  pretty soon it will be 25% and then 30% and if i try to argue about it, people will just look down on me like i'm some kind of cheapskate.
 
2014-03-08 11:08:09 PM  
IIRC that's a Republican Congress and a Democrat President, though the amount of wheeling and dealing involved in a minimum wage hike (as opposed to a congressional pay hike that is automatic) makes that almost meaningless.

That's because increasing minimum wage does not somehow "magically" give a restaurant more money. They will cut somewhere. There is a margin that will be maintained and if you increase the wage the restaurant gives its servers, they will put less servers on the floor (or cut some other quality related item) and the waiter will wind up with less money.  You can slice that argument a billion ways, but the money is going to come from ANYWHERE other than the employer's actual pocket.

Minimum wage arguments are not about the poor minimum wage worker. They're about union contracts which are tied to the minimum wage.  (See the WSJ)

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142412788732404890457831854 1 000422454

It has nothing to do with the poor poor pitiful poor, but has everything to do with unions which can be pursueded to vote en masse to whoever gives them the handout (in this case their salary as a multiplier of the minimum wage).
 
2014-03-08 11:14:27 PM  

lohphat: Why should some employees get to rake in tips while other members of the staff don't?


I always wondered about this. The restaurant I worked at had tipped waitstaff that would regularly pull in about $200.00 each in tips over an 8 hour shift. That comes to about $25.00/hour, not counting their regular pay. They were also only required to report tips that would bring their pay up to minimum wage - anything above and beyond that and the employer didn't want to know about it, so it essentially turned into tax-free income for them.

The waitstaff always seemed to have nicer cars, nicer houses, nicer clothes, etc. than the rest of the workers, but they would biatch if a table or two stiffed them on a tip.

Meanwhile the rest of the staff (dishwashers, cooks, hostess, etc. ) were stuck at minimum wage which was something like 5 bucks an hour back then.

I've never really understood the complaints of servers who whine about how much they make. If you're good at what you do, and work at a restaurant with a good reputation and strong client base, you should be able to do all right. If you have a shiatty attitude and work at a Waffle House, you should probably set your expectations lower.
 
2014-03-08 11:15:02 PM  
Minimum? 20% for exceptional service, 15% or very good, 10% for OK service.
The price of restaurant meals has been increasing with inflation, so there's no need for the tip percentage to increase. Why was 10% fine 20 years ago, but now it's 20%?
 
2014-03-08 11:15:06 PM  

Stuart Wolfe: BGates: Min tip is 0% not 20%.

You're an over compensating douche if you think you need to tip 20% minimum.

Do a good job and you'll get a tip.  Do a terrible job and you'll not.  Not that hard to figure out.  Don't want to work for tips, then get a different job.

This.

Although my parents taught me a trick when I was a teenager: always keep a penny in your wallet for the rare occasion when your waiter is completely incompetent - because if they do a terrible job and you leave nothing, they can just assume that you forgot the tip, but placing a penny on the table is a neat way to tell them they were terrible. And I've done that maybe three times in my life to waiters who were so bad I made it a mental note to never eat at that particular restaurant for a few years.

BTW, I'm a pretty generous tipper the rest of the time. These guys work hard and deserve it IMHO.


My then-boyfriend-now-spouse who once worked for tips (valet parking) taught me a trick, too
When given a tip that consisted of change (generally Canadian/European tourists) he would smile sweetly and return it saying: "I guess you need this more than I"

The trick your parents taught you was passive cruelty
 
2014-03-08 11:15:26 PM  
I actually tipped over 20% at a buffet today... why?  Because when service is awesome they deserve it.  The lady was on top of our drinks like clockwork, super friendly, really working hard and when I noticed they were out of my favorite dish on the buffet, they actually made me and my husband up a fresh hot plate (super hot out of the oven) and brought it right to our table before they put any out on the buffet for others to take! (and didn't even charge us extra because the place sells plates of food as well off a menu) Now *THAT* is what I call service!  If they've worked for it, they deserve a good tip, don't be cheap!
 
2014-03-08 11:15:35 PM  

Roja Herring: Well then let me be the first to say I hope your life improves to the point where you can begin to feel and display empathy and compassion for your fellow human being.  Good luck and best wishes.


No...you're right.  I know I was being sarcastic, but what you said is exactly the point.

It works both ways.  This whole article was about a church saying that not all Christians are douches and they wanted to apologize for the way other's have acted.  Waiters, Christians, Cyclists, Republicans, and Democrats are all douches sometime. We all think we're right and f anyone else who doesn't agree with us.

Everyone spends so much time fighting for their right to perfect service or their right to their hand in the customer's wallet that this has all devolved into a set of rules and regulations.

God called the church to be generous and servers are supposed to serve and if both parties do their general job it will all wind up okay.  Sure, some wine-o will take church money and buy booze and some tables won't tip as much as other, but unless you are a terrible waiter or work at a poorly setup restaurant we don't need laws to fix all this. Just everyone be decent human beings or stay home.
 
2014-03-08 11:18:05 PM  

mrlewish: Many of you are absolution asses on tipping. My guess is that you vote republican.


lol, i would think liberals would expect the government to pay the tips with my taxes.
 
2014-03-08 11:25:42 PM  

Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.

Oh, I don't know -- maybe because God won't spit in your biscuits and gravy?


Only in the US are you able to Add another ducking thing that the world don't want or need.

Tipping a system for giving providing feedback for a job well done, or done above expatiations.
Tipping is not a salary
Tipping is not a given % of anything

Why If this is so important to a US person, ducking tip at Wendy's ?   I heard fast food salary's are low in the US,

Why I never going back, and if I happen to  need to I map out all fast-food joints before hand so I don't have to Tip a shiat
 
2014-03-08 11:27:28 PM  

Popular Opinion: mrlewish: Many of you are absolution asses on tipping. My guess is that you vote republican.

lol, i would think liberals would expect the government to pay the tips with my taxes.


Conservatives walk like this, but liberals, they walk like this!
 
2014-03-08 11:29:07 PM  
Servers in restaurants generally make almost or more than double what the kitchen staff makes due to tipping. And they feel no shame about it.

Bad system.
 
2014-03-08 11:36:03 PM  
These threads are comedy gold.

CSB time.

When I was younger in the 12-15 age range my friends older brother would get paid by his parents to take us out to eat sometimes.  They would give him $30-$40 to take a few of us out for pizza or something similar.  He would put a stack of quarters on the table and tell the server that was going to be their tip (It was usually like 3 or 4 bucks).  Anytime his drink wasn't full or they didn't do something fast enough for him he would take quarters off the stack.  You can tell where this is going but by the time we left the server ended up with about 50 cents.  Christ that was embarrassing.
 
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