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2014-03-08 09:26:19 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Tipping is all about power. You either reward or penalize your waiter based on an arbitrary set of criteria that YOU get to decide.


Only if you're a dick. I tip 15% unless they do something seriously farked, and sometimes tip higher if their service is outstanding. Bringing the wrong dish? Not that bad. It's cool. Bringing me a glass of soda with lipstick on it? Yeah, your tip disappears.

I also live in California, which doesn't have a separate, lower minimum wage for waitstaff. It's the same minimum every other job has.
 
2014-03-08 09:28:11 PM  

bboy: I do not know the history of that law.


I don't either, but I'm sure it involves teh job creators' putting in their two cents' worth to the local Congresscritter.
 
2014-03-08 09:28:35 PM  
Those of you who think my method bad probably give food instead of money to the homeless.
 
2014-03-08 09:31:05 PM  

Sliding Carp: "I give God ten percent, why do you get 18," Missouri pastor   in lieu of a tip for a party of 10.


God gets ten percent of your yearly income.
The waiter gets eighteen per cent of your lunch tab.

One thing is not like the other.

It's just different.
 
2014-03-08 09:32:13 PM  
CSB:
I worked at a restaurant where a certain famous congress critter ate at on the regular.
He's now in prison, but he was a decent tipper.
 
2014-03-08 09:39:28 PM  
I see a total disconnect in this. You go to church on sunday and then go out to dinner? What ever happened to "Keep the Sabbath Day holy"? Is Sunday not the Sabbath?
 
2014-03-08 09:39:30 PM  

another cultural observer: I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter


Also known as a "waitress"
 
2014-03-08 09:39:39 PM  
No one? Ok...
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2014-03-08 09:40:00 PM  

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


I would toss your ass out of the place for that.
 
2014-03-08 09:42:58 PM  
From the article:
Roberts said that his church members are planning to write out apologies to every single poster. They will also send a server a Food City gift card that can be used for groceries or gas.

A GIFT CARD?! The message received is, "Not all Christians are condescending assholes. And by the way, your lowly status in society means you can't be trusted with cash."
 
2014-03-08 09:43:07 PM  
Waitstaff needs to just suck it up with the individual tables and look at the average and shut up.

I worked at a crappy Ponderosa Steakhouse/Buffet from 93-95 as a high school student. Worked my butt off but never left the restaurant with less than an avg of $18/hr. For someone without a high school diploma. At a buffet.  Some people are going to tip well. Some are going to stiff you.  If you can't make $12 per hour on average at a restaurant, you're in the wrong line of work.

Waiters should also realize that real businesses face the same thing. Grocery store owners have things called loss leaders.  Sure, they sell some things below cost to get people in the door. Some people may come and buy those few items but most will buy more, so it works out for them in the end.

Welcome to the real world. Not every table is "fair"
 
2014-03-08 09:43:36 PM  
This is how I, a single adult, view tipping standards.

When a married couple with pre-teen children in the home go out for a dinner it is usually a special occasion that requires advance planning and a sitter. It is unlikely they'll be dining out more than a couple of times per month -- they get the 15% tipping rate.

Single people that dine out a lot and invariably have more than a couple of drinks, people that know both the menu and the staff, pay the 20%.

Single guys on a date pay 20+% because they shouldn't look cheap. If, after several dates they begin to drop the tip amount, a smart woman should run away.

I'm 66-years-old, retired with my home paid for. I enjoy tipping in a higher end of the scale. I have, on occasion, bought a round of drinks for people I don't know at another table. I think of it like tipping -- something I like to do.
 
2014-03-08 09:44:29 PM  

cheezitmojo: NFA: So Christians think of tithing is "tipping" god?

Well, he did create their entire universe. I think that's warrants 10%.


He already owns everything. What purpose does giving some of it to His sales and marketing department do?
 
2014-03-08 09:44:52 PM  

DemonEater: gadian: If servers don't make minimum wage through tips, the employer has to pay the full federal mandated minimum wage.  No questions, they have to pay.  So, if no one ever tipped any server, the server would make as much as the guy at McDonald's.  Now, servers do work harder than the guy at the McDonald's, usually, but let's not pretend that they are only making $2 an hour.  Many servers are only worth minimum wage so the exception that a tip is required in every seating is BS.

Yup, that's the law.

Talk to servers who've actually tried it, though.  See how many of them got grilled about why they didn't make enough tips, got moved to shiatty shifts, got their hours cut, got let go...


I'll never forget the manager's reaction when my friends and I covered our entire table in change, most of it quarters with eyes and a mouth in pennies, for our favorite waitress since we were all going off to college.  He offered her $5 for it so she wouldn't have to 'deal with it'.  I'm not saying we would have taken it back had she accepted, but thankfully we didn't have to since she wasn't an idiot.  That kind of a jerk move surprised us quite a bit though.
 
2014-03-08 09:44:53 PM  

Mad_Radhu: /Usually do 20% because I'm too lazy to do the math on 15%.


Glad I'm not the only one.
 
2014-03-08 09:46:32 PM  
Actually a good waiter / waitress can make a couple of hundred a night (4-12 shift) if they know the game, are good and hustle. Back in '79-80 was making $40-$60 for a three hour lunch. All anyone ever claimed was minimum
 
2014-03-08 09:48:31 PM  
" I give God 10%..."
So, go plant a field, and wait for it.

/really?
//bunch of condescending A-holes.
///You're still gonna die. Maybe today.
 
2014-03-08 09:48:33 PM  

superdude72: From the article:
Roberts said that his church members are planning to write out apologies to every single poster. They will also send a server a Food City gift card that can be used for groceries or gas.

A GIFT CARD?! The message received is, "Not all Christians are condescending assholes. And by the way, your lowly status in society means you can't be trusted with cash."


True. You are correct sir. Because some Christians are douches, other Christians should have to compromise their (possible) beliefs about alcohol.

While the Bible doesn't condemn drinking, I think most church people would still have a problem with using church money to buy alcohol and I think the gift card is a good compromise that should be well received. If they're offended by the gesture, I'm sure they'd be more than welcome to send it back.
 
2014-03-08 09:48:58 PM  

Ex-Texan: T a lot of these "restaurants" now, you're expected to tip even if you order the food to go. When did this happen? If it's too much to expect them to "do their job", why bother? I thought tipping was an addition for "exceptional" service.When did it become De Rigeur for just doing your job? Next you know, you'll be "expected" to tip for buying gas for your car.


I tip to go stuff when they're slammed but have my called in stuff ready exactly when promised if I'm on a work break, throw in extras they know I'll ask for, or take an the order 5 minutes before close cause the SO and I work weird hours.

Above and beyond. But everyday stuff, nope.
 
2014-03-08 09:49:35 PM  

Fluid: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Servers are allowed to bypass minimum wage requirements? Strange. May I ask how a rule like that came to be?


Short answer: Pressure from the National Restaurant Association who are as reprehensible a bunch of venal skin-flinted nubianrdly rat bastards as were ever conceived by anal sex.
 
2014-03-08 09:50:15 PM  

umad: When did the minimum become 20%?


This.

It is now, and has always been 15%. It's not something that needs to be raised to account for inflation because the as price of the meals go up, the amount of the tip goes up accordingly.

The problem is, people have made a habit of tipping 20%, some because they don't want to appear stingy, others because it's easier for them to do the math on 20%, and because so many have been doing this for so long, the servers now think it's the going rate. They're wrong.
 
2014-03-08 09:51:13 PM  

mudmin: superdude72: From the article:
Roberts said that his church members are planning to write out apologies to every single poster. They will also send a server a Food City gift card that can be used for groceries or gas.

A GIFT CARD?! The message received is, "Not all Christians are condescending assholes. And by the way, your lowly status in society means you can't be trusted with cash."

True. You are correct sir. Because some Christians are douches, other Christians should have to compromise their (possible) beliefs about alcohol.

While the Bible doesn't condemn drinking, I think most church people would still have a problem with using church money to buy alcohol and I think the gift card is a good compromise that should be well received. If they're offended by the gesture, I'm sure they'd be more than welcome to send it back.


It's actually the cooks you have to worry about.  Majority of cooks are junkies.
 
2014-03-08 09:52:43 PM  
You already gave God 10%?

Did God get off his ass and do anything for you today? No, you actually went to him, and worshiped him, and then gave him 10% of your income in exchange for not murdering you.

How about you give God all your money and stay out of restaurants entirely.
 
2014-03-08 09:53:11 PM  
i believe in over tipping.

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knowing that most wait staff make less than a living wage with their hourly rate, it is only right to tip.

if you can't afford to tip, or are too cheap to tip, you can get a box of mac and cheese for a buck at the grocery store.
take your cheap ass home you farking losers.
 
2014-03-08 09:54:07 PM  

blipponaut: Can we just get rid of the tipping system? Pay people a liveable wage while simultaneously getting rid of obnoxious dining experiences where overly happy-to-see waitstaff try to upsell you extra cheese on your cheese sticks.


Observations from a Tipless Restaraunt
 
2014-03-08 09:54:47 PM  
Wow, tipping threads bring out some stingy weirdos. It's the social convention, deal with it.
 
2014-03-08 09:55:21 PM  
Can't do the math on 15%? Flippin' 'eck!

Just do 10% then take half of that and add it to itself.

Ex: $23.74 -> 10% is $2.37, half of that is (approx) $1.18, added together is $3.56.

As an adult, you should be able to do simple math in your head.
 
2014-03-08 09:55:42 PM  

Pincy: I understand that some professions depend on tips to get by.  But if you choose one of those professions and you get a non-tipper every once in a while, don't be a whiny asshat about it, that's just a risk you take when you work in a field that requires you to get tips to make a decent living.  If you can't deal with that risk then get a different job.


As per Pincy, no one is allowed to complain about their jobs ever.  So it has been said and so it must be done.
 
2014-03-08 09:55:54 PM  

superdude72: From the article:
Roberts said that his church members are planning to write out apologies to every single poster. They will also send a server a Food City gift card that can be used for groceries or gas.

A GIFT CARD?! The message received is, "Not all Christians are condescending assholes. And by the way, your lowly status in society means you can't be trusted with cash."


only a dickwad would try to find something wrong with that.
you aren't supposed to mail cash, and it is the same thing anyway.
 
2014-03-08 09:56:04 PM  
Min tip is 0% not 20%.

You're an over compensating douche if you think you need to tip 20% minimum.

Do a good job and you'll get a tip.  Do a terrible job and you'll not.  Not that hard to figure out.  Don't want to work for tips, then get a different job.
 
2014-03-08 09:57:21 PM  
To comment on the whole stiffing them teaches them a lesson thing...

There were several times someone stiffed me and when I looked at the table I said, "crap...I told them I was going to bring them another drink, etc."  Those stuck with me.  It truly did remind me that I needed to do better.

Other people were just cheap, scummy trash who were going to tip little/nothing regardless, but there were tables where I definitely deserved it.  I don't have a problem decreasing tip over that kind of stuff.
 
2014-03-08 09:58:03 PM  

boredofedu: I see a total disconnect in this. You go to church on sunday and then go out to dinner? What ever happened to "Keep the Sabbath Day holy"? Is Sunday not the Sabbath?


That depends on who you ask. Generally speaking, if you're one of the five thousand Christian denominations that believe in that whole "keep the sabbath holy" thing, maybe you shouldn't go out to eat on the same day you go to church. I mean, people generally go to church on the sabbath, right?
 
2014-03-08 10:00:06 PM  
I think everyone should work at least one job in their life that they are dependent on tips as part of their income.
 
2014-03-08 10:00:39 PM  

SauceIT: No one? Ok...


It was posted an hour before you in the first 20 posts...
 
2014-03-08 10:01:07 PM  
Tipping threads are great because it helps you identify all of the people who never realized that Judge Smails was intended as satire.
 
2014-03-08 10:01:10 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: * and Jesus still wouldn't approve you prosperity gospel motherf--kers


This.  I'm remembering the song "Would Jesus Wear a Rolex?"

And when did being a cheap tipper become a spiritual issue?  I'm sure there are lots of Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Agnostics and Atheists that are tight asses as well.
 
2014-03-08 10:01:29 PM  
knowing that most wait staff make less than a living wage with their hourly rate, it is only right to tip.

if you can't afford to tip, or are too cheap to tip, you can get a box of mac and cheese for a buck at the grocery store.
take your cheap ass home you farking losers.


Since when is every single job on planet earth worthy of a "living wage."  Aren't there some jobs that are just good for high schoolers and college kids and people who are supplementing household income?  I'm not opposed to tipping (I tip well), but it's not my job to fix all your life's decisions.
 
2014-03-08 10:02:52 PM  

Bermuda59: I think everyone should work at least one job in their life that they are dependent on tips as part of their income.


compensation should depend on performance, no matter what the job is.
unfortunately, with unions, you can be the worst teacher or whatever in the world and you still keep your job and make that paper.
 
2014-03-08 10:04:36 PM  

maram500: boredofedu: I see a total disconnect in this. You go to church on sunday and then go out to dinner? What ever happened to "Keep the Sabbath Day holy"? Is Sunday not the Sabbath?

That depends on who you ask. Generally speaking, if you're one of the five thousand Christian denominations that believe in that whole "keep the sabbath holy" thing, maybe you shouldn't go out to eat on the same day you go to church. I mean, people generally go to church on the sabbath, right?


Saturday (technically speaking) is the sabbath and most Christians believe that Jesus was the fulfillment of the old testament law and being that those commandments were fulfilled the issues went more from these rules to heart matters.

That's why in the sermon on the mount, Jesus said, you've heard it said do not commit adultry but I say don't look at a woman lustfully. You've heard it say do not murder, but I say don't hate. It was changed from these legalistic rules to issues where our hearts and intentions were being judged...not just what we did.  All the more reason to not be a douche after church.
 
2014-03-08 10:04:45 PM  

Porous Horace: Those of you who think my method bad probably give food instead of money to the homeless.


The homeless have already proven they can't be trusted with cash.
It's not easy becoming homeless, it generally requires hundreds of bad decisions being made in a row.
Waitstaff are willing to work for a living.
Most homeless either aren't willing to, or are incapable.

/been homeless twice
//wasn't either
 
2014-03-08 10:05:19 PM  

Rodeodoc: StreetlightInTheGhetto: * and Jesus still wouldn't approve you prosperity gospel motherf--kers

This.  I'm remembering the song "Would Jesus Wear a Rolex?"

And when did being a cheap tipper become a spiritual issue?  I'm sure there are lots of Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Agnostics and Atheists that are tight asses as well.


this is why a-holes like jesse jackson should go to hell (if there is one).
 
2014-03-08 10:06:34 PM  

superdude72: your lowly status in society means you can't be trusted with cash."


They'll probably sell the card for half of its face value anyway, so you may as well send cash.
 
2014-03-08 10:06:54 PM  

mudmin: maram500: boredofedu: I see a total disconnect in this. You go to church on sunday and then go out to dinner? What ever happened to "Keep the Sabbath Day holy"? Is Sunday not the Sabbath?

That depends on who you ask. Generally speaking, if you're one of the five thousand Christian denominations that believe in that whole "keep the sabbath holy" thing, maybe you shouldn't go out to eat on the same day you go to church. I mean, people generally go to church on the sabbath, right?

Saturday (technically speaking) is the sabbath and most Christians believe that Jesus was the fulfillment of the old testament law and being that those commandments were fulfilled the issues went more from these rules to heart matters.

That's why in the sermon on the mount, Jesus said, you've heard it said do not commit adultry but I say don't look at a woman lustfully. You've heard it say do not murder, but I say don't hate. It was changed from these legalistic rules to issues where our hearts and intentions were being judged...not just what we did.  All the more reason to not be a douche after church.


i'm going to hell.
 
2014-03-08 10:10:26 PM  

rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.


I call bullshiat.....i dont have to tip. Its a courtesy, the server however STILL has to do their job....which is to take my order and bring it to the table. The problem is the pay system for the waitstaff....the restaurant should up the pay.

I tip generously and always try and call them by their name. But dont tell my to stay home if i cant tip.
My choice biatch.
 
2014-03-08 10:10:56 PM  

chitownmike: He_Hate_Me: chitownmike: He_Hate_Me: Tipping is an abhorrent practice.  I wish restaurants in America would quit farking around:

1. Pay the workers a proper wage
2. List up front the whole price of the meal
3. Include tax in the listed price
4. Set prices in whole dollars

Should they cut your food up for you too?

You're right, I should have to go into their kitchen and cook the food I want to eat, especially since I haven't been tipping the cook this whole time!

No, you should probably stick with going to your kitchen, modern life is, clearly, too complicated for you.


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2014-03-08 10:11:23 PM  

another cultural observer: rustypouch: Tipping thread?

I'll just leave this here.

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Upon being seated, I tell the waiter or girl version of a waiter (for a dinner expected to cost $35.00 for two): "Your tipping period begins now.  Your amount, at this time, is $20.00.  I want a water with lemon slice within 1 minute.  We both want wine now.  I want my salad in 5 minutes.  I want my dinner in twenty minutes.  I want the bill on my table with my salad.  I want my drink re-filled before I need it, and without asking.  If you put customers with children under the age of 8 around me, your tip is immediately cut in half.  Also, you are not to speak to me."


Gives them something to aspire to.  You know, motivation to do a good job and really earn it.


This is the kind of person on which it's worth it to "accidentally" spill something on.
 
2014-03-08 10:13:19 PM  

NFA: So Christians think of tithing is "tipping" god?


You could just throw all your cash in the air and tell Him to keep whatever He wants and you'll take whatever falls to the ground. Sounds logical to me.
 
2014-03-08 10:14:36 PM  
mudmin:

Since when is every single job on planet earth worthy of a "living wage."  Aren't there some jobs that are just good for high schoolers and college kids and people who are supplementing household income?  I'm not opposed to tipping (I tip well), but it's not my job to fix all your life's decisions.

Tell them that when you arrive at the restaurant so you can serve them appropriately.
Hope your end customers get to determine your wage.
 
2014-03-08 10:16:49 PM  

Dwindle: mudmin:

Since when is every single job on planet earth worthy of a "living wage."  Aren't there some jobs that are just good for high schoolers and college kids and people who are supplementing household income?  I'm not opposed to tipping (I tip well), but it's not my job to fix all your life's decisions.

Tell them that when you arrive at the restaurant so you can serve them appropriately.
Hope your end customers get to determine your wage.


They should know that before they fill out the application.
 
2014-03-08 10:20:19 PM  

mudmin: Dwindle: mudmin:

Since when is every single job on planet earth worthy of a "living wage."  Aren't there some jobs that are just good for high schoolers and college kids and people who are supplementing household income?  I'm not opposed to tipping (I tip well), but it's not my job to fix all your life's decisions.

Tell them that when you arrive at the restaurant so you can serve them appropriately.
Hope your end customers get to determine your wage.

They should know that before they fill out the application.


Everyone's wothless but you.  You are a precious snowflake.
 
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