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2014-03-08 03:39:59 PM
So then buy the blue poster, you stupid twat.

You're biatching about gender stereotyping, then adhering to "pink is for girls, blue is for boys".

fark you and anyone who looks like you.
 
2014-03-08 03:46:37 PM
I love it when people compliment my children, but the theme is stuck in the same tired old groove. My six-year-old daughter is always "cute", "pretty", and "sweet"; while my seven-year-old son gets "smart", "resourceful", and "determined".

Did it ever occur to you that maybe your son looks like the spawn of an Orc and a Hairless Chihuahua and that maybe people were just looking to give him *any* compliment, the equivalent of a "[having] a nice personality" when trying to hook someone up on a blind date?
 
2014-03-08 04:26:41 PM
Your daughter is quite breathtaking, you asshole.
 
2014-03-08 04:26:58 PM
So get your daughter a Lego set you brainless twunt.
 
2014-03-08 04:28:29 PM
Your daughter is ugly.

Fixed it.

//Oh, don't comment on looks.
/ Your daughter is dumb.
//ahahhhahhah
 
2014-03-08 04:28:39 PM
I just go with "your child is smoking' hot & sexy!", regardless of the gender. Or age.
 
2014-03-08 04:29:50 PM

FirstNationalBastard: So then buy the blue poster, you stupid twat.

You're biatching about gender stereotyping, then adhering to "pink is for girls, blue is for boys".

fark you and anyone who looks like you.


This.  I think we can pack up the thread and move on.
 
2014-03-08 04:33:42 PM
I think that as a man that if I were to comment that a little boy is cute or pretty it would not be beneficial to my face or crotch region
 
2014-03-08 04:34:39 PM
I'm not impressed by your kids, lady, but *you* look like someone who could suck a bowling ball through a straw. What are you doing later?
 
2014-03-08 04:37:06 PM
Tl;dr, sandy vagina, etc. etc...
 
2014-03-08 04:39:08 PM
Hey gorgeous:  you're mom's an insufferable biatch.
 
2014-03-08 04:39:55 PM
Dear Mom with issues,
The rest of us will try to bridge the gap between your crazy attempt at raising her and her first of many therapy sessions.  We are only trying to help until she can emancipate herself.
You are welcome,
Normal People.
 
2014-03-08 04:40:51 PM
I'm assuming this is an article by a mommy blogger so I'm not even going to bother to click.
 
2014-03-08 04:41:08 PM
"Your daughter looks so smart and resourceful! Is she available?"
 
2014-03-08 04:41:50 PM
To be fair those posters are pretty bad. Kids absorb the gender role limitations, spoken or unspoken, that we immerse them in. I don't mind pink but I'd love to see a pink shirt aimed at my daughter... that has dump tricks or dinosaurs or any one of the other things she should feel free to like, even if she also likes pink.
 
GBB
2014-03-08 04:43:54 PM

Mark Ratner: Your daughter is quite breathtaking, you asshole.


www.ar15.com
 
2014-03-08 04:45:48 PM
I think she has a point and you are all just sadly parroting the first one to post.  Perhaps read the article and make your own judgment.  Or don't.  It's probably too much for you to comprehend anyway.
 
2014-03-08 04:46:51 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I like pretty, feminine "stereotypical" girls.  I'm not interested in dating or marrying another man.  I've met quite a few young women who behave like stereotypical men (rude, abrasive, macho) and it's a huge turn-off. 

My wife does girly things and looks feminine, yet is also smart enough to use her brain by thinking independently - something that following the pink poster does not automatically prevent, as many feminists seem to believe.  I will be teaching any future daughters I have the value of femininity, but also that of learning, creativity and independent thought.  The only people who seem to think those two things are mutually exclusive are feminists, which only shows how flawed and narrow their view really are.
 
2014-03-08 04:48:50 PM
Your little girl just needs to get her Mrs. Before she is 25 to a financialy secure man . Who will keep her in the princess lifestyle she deeply desires.
 
2014-03-08 04:49:07 PM
Can't we just start trying to teach kids more realistic goals?

"Look, timmy, there's like a .00000000^A% chance you'll ever become president, and you have no acting talent so showbiz is out. Why don't I teach you basic auto repair or you can take a look at this vocational school nearby..."
 
2014-03-08 04:50:39 PM
I have some candy in my van...
/am I doing it right?
 
2014-03-08 04:51:29 PM

No Such Agency: To be fair those posters are pretty bad. Kids absorb the gender role limitations, spoken or unspoken, that we immerse them in. I don't mind pink but I'd love to see a pink shirt aimed at my daughter... that has dump tricks or dinosaurs or any one of the other things she should feel free to like, even if she also likes pink.


Not that hard to find GIS "dinosaurs shirts pink" and you can find plenty same for the others you mention you just have to look for what you want.
 
2014-03-08 04:51:41 PM

God-is-a-Taco: I think that as a man that if I were to comment that a little boy is cute or pretty it would not be beneficial to my face or crotch region


Maybe if you were stroking your lad at the time there might be an issue. But I can't imagine any parent, myself included, being bothered by something like that. However there are always exceptions.
 
2014-03-08 04:52:20 PM
How dare you squat and piss on anything that doesn't suit your fantasy world and then get shirty with people who don't give a damn.  Grow the f*ck up, mom.
 
2014-03-08 04:53:19 PM
Why am I surprised at Fark?
 
2014-03-08 04:53:45 PM

socially inept was taken: I think she has a point...


At the risk of sounding like a sandy vagina-haver, let me say "this."

We try to minimize any appearance-related comments to our daughter, and focus on more important attributes, like how smart she is, how creative she is, etc.

And I don't know if because of how we've raised her, or just plain ol' genetics, but the kid is ever-so-slightly tomboyish (though not nearly to the degree I was when I was her age...at least she'll wear pink, for example). She also loves video games, MythBusters, and Bizarre Foods.

/she actually *is* smart
//she has a physicist and mathematician for parents
///she and her dad spend hours each day playing video games together

 
2014-03-08 04:54:56 PM
Take it down a notch, lady. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

That said, as the father of a daughter, I make sure that I compliment her about more than just her looks. She's only a year and a half, but I routinely tell her that she's funny, strong, intelligent, creative, etc. (and not just randomly, but when she actually does something funny, intelligent, creative). I want her to grow up knowing that her value is not just tied into her appearance. But there's also nothing wrong with getting a compliment saying you're attractive. As with most things in life...balance is the key.
 
2014-03-08 04:54:59 PM
Clearly the right course of action is to make your own posters, in a nice gender neutral color, then let the free market sort it out.
 
2014-03-08 04:55:05 PM
Marine drill sergeant to new recruit: "Did you look at my wife?"

Recruit:  "Yes"
(recruit gets rifle butt to face)

Recruit:  "No"
Sergeant:  "What, she ain't good enough for you?"
(recruit gets rifle butt to face)
 
2014-03-08 04:55:07 PM
Christ, this thread is full of assholes.

The straight-up "she's a woman blogging so she must suck!" is to be expected.  But the winner are the couple of "Well, yeah.  Girls should be like that because that's what I'm attracted to" idiots.
 
2014-03-08 04:56:30 PM

Dafatone: Christ, this thread is full of assholes.

The straight-up "she's a woman blogging so she must suck!" is to be expected.  But the winner are the couple of "Well, yeah.  Girls should be like that because that's what I'm attracted to" idiots.


You forgot all the people braying about how all the other people posting here are idiots.
 
2014-03-08 04:58:01 PM

socially inept was taken: I think she has a point and you are all just sadly parroting the first one to post.  Perhaps read the article and make your own judgment.  Or don't.  It's probably too much for you to comprehend anyway.


The point of the article was that girls suck because they lack confidence.
Girls lack confidence because they are treated differently.
They are treated differently because their parents have inherent biases such as the fact that a pink poster is made for girls.

The easiest and most obvious solution to this problem is for the mommy blogger to buy the blue poster for her daughter.  With the confidence gained from the blue poster, the little girl won't give a shiat if someone else tries to treat her like a helpless princess.
 
2014-03-08 04:58:11 PM
Sorry male and I agree with her, if you just have the knee jerk "feminism bad" response to anything like this then I feel sorry for all the females in your life.
 
2014-03-08 04:58:38 PM
I'm going the Baroness route with my daughter.

BE A TERRORIST. Cunning. Seductive.
Kidnapping. Pit full of cyborg tigers you
call your  'Kitties'. Plan to steal the worlds
water supply.

Maybe the poster would be black and blood red.
 
2014-03-08 04:58:47 PM
I'm eternally grateful my parents didn't raise me to be a 'princess'.

/now let's bake some cookies for the boys!
//Don't ask me, I'm just a girl. *teehee*
///My spidey sense is tingling, anybody call for a web-slinger?
 
2014-03-08 05:00:17 PM
Take it easy toots, don't worry your pretty little head about it.
 
2014-03-08 05:00:31 PM
I'm just not buying that the companies are intending to manipulate the gender stereotypes. It's aimed at the largely accurate trends between the genders in an effort to sell more things. Nobody is telling your little girl who or what to be like. Tell them that and don't be upset when they're complimented.
 
2014-03-08 05:02:47 PM
Cormee:
Maybe if you were stroking your lad at the time there might be an issue. But I can't imagine any parent, myself included, being bothered by something like that. However there are always exceptions.

I don't compliment the appearance of kids or women. It's just not worth the risk to me. This is a crazy world full of overreactions and I avoid trouble when ever I can.
 
2014-03-08 05:02:49 PM
"I hope you don't charge for the daughter by the IQ point, or I won't be able to afford her!"
 
2014-03-08 05:03:39 PM
I spent yesterday afternoon watching my kids learn to skateboard. In between suppressing mental flashes of horrific child vs. pavement encounters, I noticed something: My son was a gung-ho, scraped-knees-be-damned force of nature, while my daughter held back, reticent and hesitant. When I asked her why, she said she was afraid of "doing it wrong".

Well Ms. Parmar, your daughter is only 6, so her reticence and hesitation was most likely learned at home.  So who do you blame now?
Also the 'doing it wrong' will most likely lead to getting hurt so being a bit 'reticent' seems pretty smart to me.

Yes I know she will never read this but I had to say it!
 
2014-03-08 05:04:04 PM
would she prefer to hear 'i think your sister's pretty' instead?
 
2014-03-08 05:04:13 PM

RogermcAllen: The easiest and most obvious solution to this problem is for the mommy blogger to buy the blue poster for her daughter.


Of course she can buy the blue poster.
Why didn't she think of that?
Silly girls.
 
2014-03-08 05:05:18 PM

FirstNationalBastard: So then buy the blue poster, you stupid twat.

You're biatching about gender stereotyping, then adhering to "pink is for girls, blue is for boys".

fark you and anyone who looks like you.


Yeah, because boys go around told to be a princesses. It's not just the color, it's the content of the posters.
 
2014-03-08 05:05:48 PM

R1mbaud: I'm just not buying that the companies are intending to manipulate the gender stereotypes.


Well no.  They don't care, they just make what sells.  and what sells is largely the dominant, girls-pretty, boys-tough heteronormative paradigm (at the risk of sounding like a women's studies thesis).  There are also companies that do quite well selling to people who reject this persistent norm, by selling more "progressive" toys and items for kids.  There's big bank to be made in that market, for sure.
 
2014-03-08 05:06:48 PM
What I truly can't understand is, how, in this day and age, does ANYBODY see telling girls they can be anything they want to be as long as they play fair as anybody else as somehow being "revolutionary".  That's pretty much the de facto standard, and should be.  But if she's pretty, too, she's being insulted, discriminated against and "held back"?  Seriously?
 
2014-03-08 05:07:30 PM

No Such Agency: To be fair those posters are pretty bad. Kids absorb the gender role limitations, spoken or unspoken, that we immerse them in. I don't mind pink but I'd love to see a pink shirt aimed at my daughter... that has dump tricks or dinosaurs or any one of the other things she should feel free to like, even if she also likes pink.


My daughter wanted to be a paleontologist from 4-7, she even named her first dog "Fossil". There are plenty pink shirts out there with dinosaurs on them. There are purple sweats with dinosaurs on them. There are nightgowns and t-shirts with dinosaurs on them as well. There are lamps, desks, and bedding. If you can't find dinosaur stuff for a girl, it's from poor effort on your part.
 
2014-03-08 05:12:13 PM

No Such Agency: I don't mind pink but I'd love to see a pink shirt aimed at my daughter... that has dump tricks or dinosaurs or any one of the other things she should feel free to like, even if she also likes pink.


I agree.  I have been trying to find dresses with dinosaurs or trains or trucks on them.  I don't even care if they are pink.  I do buy her "boy" clothes with dinosaurs, frogs, astronauts, dragons etc on them.  She loves dinosaurs and trucks right now.  On the other hand I don't get bent out of shape when she gets a pretty pink tutu for Christmas.  She loves to dance!  I also bought her a kid's sized jingly belly dance belt.

I would like to think it would be the same way if I had a boy.  At her daycare there was only one boy in her room.  All the girls wanted their hair in ponytails, so he wanted it too.  The next day he came to daycare with hair too short to be put into ponytails.  One day they were all playing in the gym with some big pieces of sheer fabric.  I tied the fabric around the girl's waists to make skirts.  This boy wanted one also, so I gave him one.  I don't want to interfere with how his parents want to raise him, so I made sure it was not really skirt like and called it a cummerbund, but at least I didn't tell him he could not have one because he is a boy.
 
2014-03-08 05:12:36 PM

Dafatone: Christ, this thread is full of assholes.

The straight-up "she's a woman blogging so she must suck!" is to be expected.  But the winner are the couple of "Well, yeah.  Girls should be like that because that's what I'm attracted to" idiots.


While you might be right, I will leave this here anyways...


i290.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-08 05:13:02 PM
Oh, and you want to talk about gender neutral parenting? My daughter;s dreams of paleontology have died, she has now set her sights on becoming a government funded assassin for the CIA. She's 13 now. I've taken her shooting, teaching her to shoot both a Glock 19 and an AR 15. Everyone has told her how pretty she is her entire life. That has done nothing to dissuade her from her dreams of murder and world domination. Parenting makes all the difference.

/the assassin and teaching her to shoot thing are 100% true
 
2014-03-08 05:15:49 PM
No Such Agency:
Well no.  They don't care, they just make what sells.


So what is she really getting at? That people are manipulating the hormonal differences between genders who more often than not tend to be predisposed to certain things? Is she saying that genders are not predisposed to any sort of personality? Is there a sinister cabal plotting to keep women down by not complimenting their attributes that she has subjectively tied in with a specific gender? Or are the masses simply unaware and she's the light bringing beacon of hope bringing us out of the cave's of patriarchy? This isn't to say i disagree with anything you said at all, I am just genuinely not following her train of thought for the purpose of this article.

/@anyone who can help answer this.
 
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