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(Yahoo)   End Times: Even President Obama seems to be losing faith in Obamacare. Oh and you can count on him to extend the deadline, yet again   (finance.yahoo.com) divider line 279
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2014-03-08 03:39:28 PM  
I can't wait to see the plans that those who hate ACA have in store to replace it. I know they're just waiting for the right time to introduce it
 
2014-03-08 04:04:07 PM  
So... reporting news from january when he extended the deadlines, and saying it reflects a lack of faith in the ACA in march, despite millions of people getting health insurance through it... umm... no... not biting that bait.
 
2014-03-08 04:04:41 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: I can't wait to see the plans that those who hate ACA have in store to replace it. I know they're just waiting for the right time to introduce it


won't be long.  the republic president that is going to replace obama will have some ideas.
 
2014-03-08 04:05:02 PM  
This is because of the whining from people who buy "insurance" plans that don't actually insure them for anything.

/slow clap
 
2014-03-08 04:07:34 PM  

frepnog: Peter von Nostrand: I can't wait to see the plans that those who hate ACA have in store to replace it. I know they're just waiting for the right time to introduce it

won't be long.  the republic president that is going to replace obama will have some ideas.


I don't think people will forget Republican obsctructionism, the Republican government shutdown, or and the number of "rape rape" style comments since Obama's inauguration.

/I may have a little too much faith in people.
//But I still don't think there's gonna be a Republican president for some time.
///Even if you hate Obama, you're an idiot if you think the Republicans are at all an acceptable choice.
 
2014-03-08 04:08:56 PM  
Back to the Politics tab subtard ! Your kind of troltastic dickshness cannot survive out here with the grown ups!
 
2014-03-08 04:09:11 PM  

LavenderWolf: frepnog: Peter von Nostrand: I can't wait to see the plans that those who hate ACA have in store to replace it. I know they're just waiting for the right time to introduce it

won't be long.  the republic president that is going to replace obama will have some ideas.

I don't think people will forget Republican obsctructionism, the Republican government shutdown, or and the number of "rape rape" style comments since Obama's inauguration.

/I may have a little too much faith in people.
//But I still don't think there's gonna be a Republican president for some time.
///Even if you hate Obama, you're an idiot if you think the Republicans are at all an acceptable choice.


Smart enough to comprehend your party's propaganda, not smart enough to understand what is wrong with this law.
 
2014-03-08 04:11:58 PM  
End times: Huge cracks appearing on the earth's surface and big rocks falling out of the sky. Oh, and there won't be another planet like this one, not ever.
 
2014-03-08 04:12:29 PM  

firefly212: So... reporting news from january when he extended the deadlines, and saying it reflects a lack of faith in the ACA in march, despite millions of people getting losing health insurance through it... umm... no... not biting that bait.


FTFY.

Wow, what bullshiat. You seriously take the numbers this administration puts out, when they won't even give out stats on how many of the people who "signed up" for Obamacare actually enrolled and paid, vs just registered on the Website? You don't find that at all suspicious?

And yeah, Obama just announced last week he is delaying the individual mandate to 2016 (I even used a Mother Jones link so you can't say "BUT BUT FAUXNEWS!"). I wonder why he is doing that? Because everything is going swimmingly?

BTW, all of these unilateral delays and exemptions by Obama are unconstitutional as hell.

Keep drinking.

www.redrecondite.com
 
2014-03-08 04:12:39 PM  
Unfortunately, I live in a red state that is not doing an exchange. So the plan I am getting booted off of is actually better than any similarly priced ACA alternative I am forced to buy on the federal exchange. Even with the subsidy, it is going to be damn near impossible to afford healthcare on my salary. I make just enough to not qualify for medicaid. I know, I know, I should just move to a different state and get a different job. Those things are incredibly easy to do.
 
2014-03-08 04:13:54 PM  
Animatronik:

Smart enough to comprehend your party's propaganda, not smart enough to understand what is wrong with this law.

Care to enlighten us then Freeper boy?
 
2014-03-08 04:14:23 PM  
When did Yahoo become a derpier Politico?
 
2014-03-08 04:15:17 PM  
figures a second class search engine would turn into right wing derp site, the bar is set lower for products they consume because they have such strong brand loyalty.
 
2014-03-08 04:17:29 PM  
So...I actually read the article. Boy is that a clusterfark. I'm glad they're giving people a chance to pick up the plans they lost, but they're also right that just moving it down the road isn't going to help in the long term.

 The main problem is of course healthcare costs and the economy. If the "young healthy adults" were making enough money they'd want to buy a plan "just in case". A properly sensible thing to do and it doesn't substantially hurt the pocket book.

 But since they're all struggling to make ends meet and keep food in the fridge, the cost-benefit analysis just isn't there for them. I can't blame them.

 They could make the plans cheaper by investigating the reason why healthcare costs are so high...but I doubt that will happen. (It's not just because Jose' had to go to the ER either... although that sort of thing doesn't help.)

 So the clusterfark continues...
 
2014-03-08 04:17:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: When did Yahoo become a derpier Politico?


Since they've been going nuts trying to find a way to make profits since Google made their web search and e-mail businesses pretty much obsolete.
 
2014-03-08 04:17:42 PM  
Not news. Not even FARK.
 
2014-03-08 04:17:52 PM  
The ACA is corporate welfare written by insurance lobbyists. Real health care reform could be done on one typewritten page.

Health Care Reform Act of 2014

1. Medicare and Medicaid shall be rolled into one program and extended to everyone.
2. The insurance industry is barred from involvement in health care.
3. Price gouging for medical services and defrauding the medicare system shall be felonies.

There you have it.
 
2014-03-08 04:17:59 PM  
Pretty good explanation of what is going on here in under 1:40.


Doc on Obamacare : Dr Barbara Bellar sums up Obamacare in one sentence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZbFrAAV3-o#t=40
 
2014-03-08 04:18:56 PM  

StanTheMan: firefly212: So... reporting news from january when he extended the deadlines, and saying it reflects a lack of faith in the ACA in march, despite millions of people getting losing health insurance through it... umm... no... not biting that bait.

FTFY.

Wow, what bullshiat. You seriously take the numbers this administration puts out, when they won't even give out stats on how many of the people who "signed up" for Obamacare actually enrolled and paid, vs just registered on the Website? You don't find that at all suspicious?

And yeah, Obama just announced last week he is delaying the individual mandate to 2016 (I even used a Mother Jones link so you can't say "BUT BUT FAUXNEWS!"). I wonder why he is doing that? Because everything is going swimmingly?

BTW, all of these unilateral delays and exemptions by Obama are unconstitutional as hell.

Keep drinking.


Feel better?
 
2014-03-08 04:19:33 PM  

StanTheMan: You seriously take the numbers this administration puts out, when they won't even give out stats on how many of the people who "signed up" for Obamacare actually enrolled and paid, vs just registered on the Website?


Shocking.  They give out a number they know, rather than a number they can't measure.
 
2014-03-08 04:19:38 PM  

frepnog: Peter von Nostrand: I can't wait to see the plans that those who hate ACA have in store to replace it. I know they're just waiting for the right time to introduce it

won't be long.  the republic president that is going to replace obama will have some ideas.


What are those ideas? Why haven't they ever discussed any of those ideas in the last 6 years? Are they keeping them a secret and won't reveal them unless they get elected like Christine O'Donnell and her knowledge of China's secret plan to take over the U.S?
 
2014-03-08 04:20:16 PM  
Had VA expanded medicaid, Obamacare would be spectacular for me. It's overall about as expensive as my student health care was with not too dissimilar coverage.

/Wrapping up a teaching license, so without Obamacare, no health insurance until I get a job
 
2014-03-08 04:20:26 PM  
But the Repubes have real live people that Obummernotcare had terribly hurt! Like this guy!
blog.zap2it.com
 
2014-03-08 04:20:43 PM  
As someone who has the same insurance I've had for the last dozen years, yawn.

But my co-pay did go down by ten bucks for doctor visits, so, woo-hoo, i suppose.

Also my taxes are going up, for about the fourth year in a row*!


*because my income has been going up quite nicely with the economic growth we were missing ever since that other socialist, Bill Clinton, left office.
 
2014-03-08 04:20:50 PM  

Headso: figures a second class search engine would turn into right wing derp site, the bar is set lower for products they consume because they have such strong brand loyalty.


That's just, like, your opinion, man.
 
2014-03-08 04:23:34 PM  
What we need is to rip off the band-aid, so to speak, and just get the health reform over with. It's going to be a bumpy ride either way, but it would be better to do it all at once than to keep pushing the inevitable down the road and confusing everyone even more.
 
2014-03-08 04:24:16 PM  

ongbok: What are those ideas? Why haven't they ever discussed any of those ideas in the last 6 years? Are they keeping them a secret and won't reveal them unless they get elected like Christine O'Donnell and her knowledge of China's secret plan to take over the U.S?


Shows what you know.  The Repubes have had a plan for almost 2 decades. It was written by the Heritage foundation and put into place by that severe conservative Mitt Romney in Massachusetts.  THAT's the plan the conservatives will implement.
 
2014-03-08 04:25:35 PM  

Animatronik: LavenderWolf: frepnog: Peter von Nostrand: I can't wait to see the plans that those who hate ACA have in store to replace it. I know they're just waiting for the right time to introduce it

won't be long.  the republic president that is going to replace obama will have some ideas.

I don't think people will forget Republican obsctructionism, the Republican government shutdown, or and the number of "rape rape" style comments since Obama's inauguration.

/I may have a little too much faith in people.
//But I still don't think there's gonna be a Republican president for some time.
///Even if you hate Obama, you're an idiot if you think the Republicans are at all an acceptable choice.

Smart enough to comprehend your party's propaganda, not smart enough to understand what is wrong with this law.


My party? I'm in f*cking Canada.

It's just apparent to anyone whose head resides somewhere other than their ass that Republicans have no interest in doing good for America if they're not the ones in charge.
 
2014-03-08 04:27:30 PM  
Karma Chameleon:  Even with the subsidy, it is going to be damn near impossible to afford healthcare on my salary. I make just enough to not qualify for medicaid. I know, I know, I should just move to a different state and get a different job. Those things are incredibly easy to do.

Wait, do you mean afford healthcare or health insurance? Because those are two different things. If you make "just enough to not qualify" for medicaid, that means you're close to the poverty level. At that salary you absolutely qualify for a subsidy. You're either ignorant or a liar.
 
2014-03-08 04:29:13 PM  

LavenderWolf: This is because of the whining from people who buy "insurance" plans that don't actually insure them for anything.

/slow clap


This. "Oh noes, we can't spend money on worthless coverage any more!"
 
2014-03-08 04:29:41 PM  
If this is such an awesome law, why haven't we enacted it yet? Isn't anyone curious to see how truly great it's going to be?

Only the very best parts of it are out there. The bad parts, you know--the parts where every American not on it is forced to play by its rules--keeps getting pushed back.

Odd. Perhaps even scandalous.
 
2014-03-08 04:31:14 PM  

gweilo8888: LavenderWolf: This is because of the whining from people who buy "insurance" plans that don't actually insure them for anything.

/slow clap

This. "Oh noes, we can't spend money on worthless coverage any more!"


It is amazing that people have been brainwashed into thinking that is the only thing that they deserve.
 
2014-03-08 04:31:25 PM  

Destructor: If this is such an awesome law, why haven't we enacted it yet? Isn't anyone curious to see how truly great it's going to be?

Only the very best parts of it are out there. The bad parts, you know--the parts where every American not on it is forced to play by its rules--keeps getting pushed back.

Odd. Perhaps even scandalous.


Because of record level obstructionism.

Don't play the fool.
 
2014-03-08 04:31:34 PM  
The only thing Obamacare has done for me is increase my insurance costs 40% more this year.
 
2014-03-08 04:32:24 PM  

Animatronik: LavenderWolf: frepnog: Peter von Nostrand: I can't wait to see the plans that those who hate ACA have in store to replace it. I know they're just waiting for the right time to introduce it

won't be long.  the republic president that is going to replace obama will have some ideas.

I don't think people will forget Republican obsctructionism, the Republican government shutdown, or and the number of "rape rape" style comments since Obama's inauguration.

/I may have a little too much faith in people.
//But I still don't think there's gonna be a Republican president for some time.
///Even if you hate Obama, you're an idiot if you think the Republicans are at all an acceptable choice.

Smart enough to comprehend your party's propaganda, not smart enough to understand what is wrong with this law.


Whew, so glad you showed up to the thread.  There was a critical lack of derp and now we are poised to have an overabundance!  What's your next nugget of wisdom?  Start by enlightening us all about what is so wrong with the law.
 
2014-03-08 04:32:25 PM  

StanTheMan: firefly212: So... reporting news from january when he extended the deadlines, and saying it reflects a lack of faith in the ACA in march, despite millions of people getting losing health insurance through it... umm... no... not biting that bait.

FTFY.

Wow, what bullshiat. You seriously take the numbers this administration puts out, when they won't even give out stats on how many of the people who "signed up" for Obamacare actually enrolled and paid, vs just registered on the Website? You don't find that at all suspicious?

And yeah, Obama just announced last week he is delaying the individual mandate to 2016 (I even used a Mother Jones link so you can't say "BUT BUT FAUXNEWS!"). I wonder why he is doing that? Because everything is going swimmingly?

BTW, all of these unilateral delays and exemptions by Obama are unconstitutional as hell.

Keep drinking.

[www.redrecondite.com image 294x294]


You mad bro?
 
2014-03-08 04:32:39 PM  
The problem with the law boils down to the very simple fact: money. It is still in the hands of for-profit companies that are out to make as much profit as possible, against providing the least expensive internal costs for their clients.

Internal costs, though, not actual sales price. The insurance companies are still charging high premiums, and the people who truly needed the ACA to step up to allow them to obtain coverage are the ones who can least afford it under the new mandate.

People are still struggling to keep in their homes, driving old and failing vehicles, eating Macaroni Helper and day-old bread, and flat don't have the cash for the basic premiums, let alone the actual deductibles. Even with the "subsidies", the really poor folks are SOL when it all breaks down.

The worst part is yet to come. They have delayed the employer mandate (which is truly the ball-cruncher when all of those "cheap" plans that employers have offered are no longer there), but even more so, they are re-extending the personal mandate again.

The penalties for not carrying insurance are fined by the IRS. No one has really talked about, or even really questioned, what happens when all the really broke folks end up owing these penalties at the end of the fiscal tax year?

Basically, it'd be tax evasion. Are we really about to allow a new debtors prison system for low-income families? No wonder all the politicians are gun-shy as can be about this issue before any major election. Nobody wants to be "that guy" in office when the shiat really hits the fan on this.
 
2014-03-08 04:33:26 PM  

astouffer: The only thing Obamacare has done for me is increase my insurance costs 40% more this year.


Maybe, but now you actually have insurance.

/Single payer would have been better though.
 
2014-03-08 04:33:52 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: I can't wait to see the plans that those who hate ACA have in store to replace it. I know they're just waiting for the right time to introduce it

it is not economically beneficial for a non-job-creator to remain alive post retirement age. Why would the Republicans need a replacement for Obamacare? The pre ACA status quo suited them just fine
 
2014-03-08 04:34:16 PM  
Smart enough to comprehend your party's propaganda, not smart enough to understand what is wrong with this law.

OLD: Care to enlighten us then Freeper boy?


From the WSJ:

"....The third phase of failure is the slow revelation that the basic economic assumptions behind ObamaCare are wrong. A new survey from McKinsey & Co., conducted in February, found that only 10% of those who lacked insurance pre-ObamaCare had signed up for an exchange plan, and that of those who had signed up, just 27% were previously uninsured.
True, those numbers were up significantly from January's figures, 3% and 11% respectively. Still, they're low enough that the Washington Post sums it up: "The new health insurance marketplaces appear to be making little headway in signing up Americans who lack insurance, the Affordable Care Act's central goal."


I wrote off the ACA the moment I read it did nothing for Tort Reform, or anything really to correct the root causes of skyrocketing healthcare costs. We can't get enough competition to drive down costs because the industry is so heavily regulated you can't do ANYTHING to change the way healthcare is done in this country. Add to that the arrogant crypto-socialists of Pelosi's staff that think they can cobble together a set of regulations that will make things all better, utterly ignoring the dynamics of supply and demand, and the accuracy and responsiveness of non centralized aggregate decision making processes.

Of course, you all are busy lovingly working your lips up and down your Obamessiah's shaft, slurping up the baby gravy, for The One can do no wrong....
 
2014-03-08 04:34:31 PM  

houstondragon: The problem with the law boils down to the very simple fact: money. It is still in the hands of for-profit companies that are out to make as much profit as possible, against providing the least expensive internal costs for their clients.

Internal costs, though, not actual sales price. The insurance companies are still charging high premiums, and the people who truly needed the ACA to step up to allow them to obtain coverage are the ones who can least afford it under the new mandate.

People are still struggling to keep in their homes, driving old and failing vehicles, eating Macaroni Helper and day-old bread, and flat don't have the cash for the basic premiums, let alone the actual deductibles. Even with the "subsidies", the really poor folks are SOL when it all breaks down.

The worst part is yet to come. They have delayed the employer mandate (which is truly the ball-cruncher when all of those "cheap" plans that employers have offered are no longer there), but even more so, they are re-extending the personal mandate again.

The penalties for not carrying insurance are fined by the IRS. No one has really talked about, or even really questioned, what happens when all the really broke folks end up owing these penalties at the end of the fiscal tax year?

Basically, it'd be tax evasion. Are we really about to allow a new debtors prison system for low-income families? No wonder all the politicians are gun-shy as can be about this issue before any major election. Nobody wants to be "that guy" in office when the shiat really hits the fan on this.


Wait so Obamacare == debtors prisons?

/Dude can I have some of your pot?
 
2014-03-08 04:35:02 PM  

LavenderWolf: My party? I'm in f*cking Canada.

It's just apparent to anyone whose head resides somewhere other than their ass that Republicans have no interest in doing good for America if they're not the ones in charge.


Oh, dude, they don't give a fark about us when they're in charge either.

Exhibit A:

i595.photobucket.com

Yeah, for the rest of my life, I have to acknowledge that this farknut was my president...twice.  Fffffffuuuuuuuuuu!
 
2014-03-08 04:35:30 PM  

astouffer: The only thing Obamacare has done for me is increase my insurance costs 40% more this year.


sorry my years of having quality healthcare plans can't continue to subsidize you and others from having crap plans that actually don't cover you when you go to the hospital so my costs are higher.
 
2014-03-08 04:36:21 PM  

macdaddy357: The ACA is corporate welfare written by insurance lobbyists. Real health care reform could be done on one typewritten page.

Health Care Reform Act of 2014

1. Medicare and Medicaid shall be rolled into one program and extended to everyone.
2. The insurance industry is barred from involvement in health care.
3. Price gouging for medical services and defrauding the medicare system shall be felonies.

There you have it.


1.  "rolled into" - in a U.S. code section?
2.  So, Hospitals can't carry liability insurance?
3.  Who decides what price gouging is?  Who goes to prison if a healthcare provider organization commits fraud? (the current system uses hefty fines, mainly because you can't imprison boards of directors for things they don't know were going on, let alone for medical coding errors by the summer intern.  Or, were you proposing a change to the burden of proof in criminal cases to a preponderance of the evidence standard, rather than beyond a reasonable doubt?)


The point of this is NOT to say that the healthcare law is bad law.  Nearly everyone agrees Obamacare sucks the fat one, albeit for different reasons.  The point is that you can't do much on 1 page of legislative text.  Have you seen the margins on those things?  Be realistic!
 
2014-03-08 04:38:16 PM  
Procrastination is one of my hobbies, which is why I haven't signed up yet. But I know that I need to and I will before the month is over. People like me are probably why the enrollment numbers aren't where they should be. And for that I say...my bad.
 
2014-03-08 04:38:29 PM  

mark12A: Smart enough to comprehend your party's propaganda, not smart enough to understand what is wrong with this law.

OLD: Care to enlighten us then Freeper boy?

From the WSJ:

"....The third phase of failure is the slow revelation that the basic economic assumptions behind ObamaCare are wrong. A new survey from McKinsey & Co., conducted in February, found that only 10% of those who lacked insurance pre-ObamaCare had signed up for an exchange plan, and that of those who had signed up, just 27% were previously uninsured.
True, those numbers were up significantly from January's figures, 3% and 11% respectively. Still, they're low enough that the Washington Post sums it up: "The new health insurance marketplaces appear to be making little headway in signing up Americans who lack insurance, the Affordable Care Act's central goal."

I wrote off the ACA the moment I read it did nothing for Tort Reform, or anything really to correct the root causes of skyrocketing healthcare costs. We can't get enough competition to drive down costs because the industry is so heavily regulated you can't do ANYTHING to change the way healthcare is done in this country. Add to that the arrogant crypto-socialists of Pelosi's staff that think they can cobble together a set of regulations that will make things all better, utterly ignoring the dynamics of supply and demand, and the accuracy and responsiveness of non centralized aggregate decision making processes.

Of course, you all are busy lovingly working your lips up and down your Obamessiah's shaft, slurping up the baby gravy, for The One can do no wrong....


It's hilarious that you are accusing others of falling for propaganda.

FYI, many hospitals' financial records are public and malpractice lawsuits are, financially, completely meaningless to them. You are believing a lie.
 
2014-03-08 04:39:18 PM  

REO-Weedwagon: Karma Chameleon:  Even with the subsidy, it is going to be damn near impossible to afford healthcare on my salary. I make just enough to not qualify for medicaid. I know, I know, I should just move to a different state and get a different job. Those things are incredibly easy to do.

Wait, do you mean afford healthcare or health insurance? Because those are two different things. If you make "just enough to not qualify" for medicaid, that means you're close to the poverty level. At that salary you absolutely qualify for a subsidy. You're either ignorant or a liar.


My aunt and uncle make just enough that they don't qualify for a Medicaid (because their state stupidly declined the expansion, which would have covered them if the state had accepted).  But they do qualify for a subsidy that pays 97% of their insurance premiums.  Yeah, I think ignorance or lying is involved with this one.
 
2014-03-08 04:39:39 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: LavenderWolf: My party? I'm in f*cking Canada.

It's just apparent to anyone whose head resides somewhere other than their ass that Republicans have no interest in doing good for America if they're not the ones in charge.

Oh, dude, they don't give a fark about us when they're in charge either.

Exhibit A:

[i595.photobucket.com image 356x450]

Yeah, for the rest of my life, I have to acknowledge that this farknut was my president...twice.  Fffffffuuuuuuuuuu!


And it got even worse this time around, So what next?
 
2014-03-08 04:39:40 PM  
The parts that hurt the Democrats' chances in the November midterms will get pushed back to 2015.
 
2014-03-08 04:39:51 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: LavenderWolf: My party? I'm in f*cking Canada.

It's just apparent to anyone whose head resides somewhere other than their ass that Republicans have no interest in doing good for America if they're not the ones in charge.

Oh, dude, they don't give a fark about us when they're in charge either.

Exhibit A:

[i595.photobucket.com image 356x450]

Yeah, for the rest of my life, I have to acknowledge that this farknut was my president...twice.  Fffffffuuuuuuuuuu!


Fair enough, but you guys only voted him in once.

/I kid, I kid
 
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