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2014-03-08 09:51:59 AM  
ah, yes. the great conservative experiment goes on.
 
2014-03-08 10:01:32 AM  
Obviously these states aren't conservative enough.
 
2014-03-08 10:12:17 AM  
That's what poverty is folks.  Things aren't trickling down fast enough.
 
2014-03-08 10:38:43 AM  
Whats that thing called again? You know, hating people for growing up in a different culture?
 
2014-03-08 10:43:14 AM  

cman: Whats that thing called again? You know, hating people for growing up in a different culture?


God damn it wrong thread. This is the thread this comment was meant for. Got confused because of the similar subject matter
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-08 11:20:23 AM  

cman: Whats that thing called again? You know, hating people for growing up in a different culture?


Social Conservatism.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-08 11:20:58 AM  

cman: cman: Whats that thing called again? You know, hating people for growing up in a different culture?

God damn it wrong thread. This is the thread this comment was meant for. Got confused because of the similar subject matter


Still applies.
 
2014-03-08 11:24:56 AM  

vpb: cman: Whats that thing called again? You know, hating people for growing up in a different culture?

Social Conservatism.


Oh snap
 
2014-03-08 11:28:04 AM  
I can't believe it took nine maps.
 
2014-03-08 11:35:35 AM  
The South isn't about Conservatism. It is about maintaining an autocratic hold over the poor and middle classes. Why is racism so strong there? The wealthy convinced the poor whites that while they were poor, at least they weren't black. And a black person is less than a white person -even if that black person were rich an the white person were poor.

If the poor and middle classes ever figure this out, they may have their own little civil war down the line.
 
2014-03-08 11:51:38 AM  

Nadie_AZ: The South isn't about Conservatism. It is about maintaining an autocratic hold over the poor and middle classes. Why is racism so strong there? The wealthy convinced the poor whites that while they were poor, at least they weren't black. And a black person is less than a white person -even if that black person were rich an the white person were poor.

If the poor and middle classes ever figure this out, they may have their own little civil war down the line.


They've been convinced that if they keep working 60 hour weeks and get rid of the minimum wage, they'll be wealthy before they know it. And then they'd have to pay taxes on the new wealth.
 
2014-03-08 11:59:47 AM  

the_celt: I can't believe it took nine maps.


img.fark.net

"nine maps."
 
2014-03-08 12:02:32 PM  

oldernell: That's what poverty is folks.  Things aren't trickling down fast enough.


Need more tax cuts for the wealthy.
 
2014-03-08 12:02:55 PM  

FlashHarry: the_celt: I can't believe it took nine maps.



"nine maps."


Heh, well played.
 
2014-03-08 12:04:56 PM  
All y'all yankees are free to go home. We promise not to stop you.

/Yankees are like hemorrhoids; when they come down and go back up they aren't too bad. When they come down and stay down they are a constant source of irritation.
 
2014-03-08 12:23:09 PM  

FlashHarry: the_celt: I can't believe it took nine maps.

[img.fark.net image 720x368]

"nine maps."


Goddamnit.
 
2014-03-08 12:24:16 PM  

Coincidentally the states with the worst poverty levels are located in Jesus Land. Where is your God now?


i.huffpost.com

 
2014-03-08 12:25:15 PM  
That, and it's full of southerners
 
2014-03-08 12:25:56 PM  

cman: Whats that thing called again? You know, hating people for growing up in a different culture?


Discernment.
 
2014-03-08 12:26:05 PM  
Look, every non-Southerner needs to know this.

The South sucks. NEVER EVER move to the south. Stay in the North and the West and don't move to the South. If you're in the South and you think Clifornia is a well managed place, you need to move there ASAP. You're clearly wasting your talent there.

We really need to reverse this migratory trend of non-Southerners moving into Southern states as most clearly never heard of how bad it is there.
 
2014-03-08 12:26:16 PM  

Lee451: All y'all yankees are free to go home. We promise not to stop you.

/Yankees are like hemorrhoids; when they come down and go back up they aren't too bad. When they come down and stay down they are a constant source of irritation.


So, the South is like a gigantic arse?
 
2014-03-08 12:26:24 PM  
Nobody ever retires and "moves North".
 
2014-03-08 12:26:32 PM  
The South: It's a Great Place To Be From™
 
2014-03-08 12:28:30 PM  

iron de havilland: Lee451: All y'all yankees are free to go home. We promise not to stop you.

/Yankees are like hemorrhoids; when they come down and go back up they aren't too bad. When they come down and stay down they are a constant source of irritation.

So, the South is like a gigantic arse?


Covered in painful, embarrassing sores
 
2014-03-08 12:28:57 PM  
BECAUSE THEY LOST THE FARKING WAR!!!!
 
2014-03-08 12:29:31 PM  

iron de havilland: Lee451: All y'all yankees are free to go home. We promise not to stop you.

/Yankees are like hemorrhoids; when they come down and go back up they aren't too bad. When they come down and stay down they are a constant source of irritation.

So, the South is like a gigantic arse?


Yes only not as clean and smells worse
 
2014-03-08 12:31:11 PM  
freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com
 
2014-03-08 12:31:40 PM  

FlashHarry: the_celt: I can't believe it took nine maps.

[img.fark.net image 720x368]

"nine maps."


There are some gay men I know who love to travel South just for that same reason. Not that there is anything wrong with soliciting sex with 14 year olds.
 
2014-03-08 12:32:23 PM  
Florida...the flaccid dick of America. So that makes the south the bowels!
 
2014-03-08 12:32:42 PM  

wambu: Nobody ever retires and "moves North".


The only thing the south has going for it is the weather.
 
2014-03-08 12:33:37 PM  
I don't know, this winter has drained my will to live.  *looks outside, it's almost 30F*  Never mind, think I'll go for a walk later.
 
2014-03-08 12:34:00 PM  
Yes, the south sucks so bad, I hear northern accents everywhere I go in Virginia and North Carolina. It must be so horrible here that New Yorkers and their like move here in droves. When I lived in NC, most of my co-workers were from up north.
/Try harder Huff Post
 
2014-03-08 12:34:37 PM  

TanSau: BECAUSE THEY LOST THE FARKING WAR!!!!


Why is this kid we starved so unhealthy?
 
2014-03-08 12:36:38 PM  

Mrbogey: Look, every non-Southerner needs to know this.

The South sucks. NEVER EVER move to the south. Stay in the North and the West and don't move to the South. If you're in the South and you think Clifornia is a well managed place, you need to move there ASAP. You're clearly wasting your talent there.

We really need to reverse this migratory trend of non-Southerners moving into Southern states as most clearly never heard of how bad it is there.


Is this Republican sarcasm? Maybe you should take it to the Politics Tab.
 
2014-03-08 12:38:12 PM  

Bslim: That, and it's full of southerners


And poor black Democrats



i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-08 12:38:37 PM  

Nadie_AZ: The South isn't about Conservatism. It is about maintaining an autocratic hold over the poor and middle classes.


Yeah, that's nothing like conservatism. Thanks, Marie Antoinette.
 
2014-03-08 12:38:41 PM  
The problem is they don't have enough good paying jobs there. All of these maps can basically be explained by that one statement.

The South is Conservative. They believe that Liberal tax rates, unions, business regulations, etc. are hostile to business..... The obvious answer is that they need to be more friendly to attract jobs.

Nevermind that the good paying jobs have been concentrated in the most Liberal states forever.

enry: Obviously these states aren't conservative enough.


Yup.
 
2014-03-08 12:38:47 PM  
Judging from the maps overall, it seems that Virginia isn't part of the South, or at least not anymore.

/also, Michigan is fat
 
2014-03-08 12:39:27 PM  

skinink: Coincidentally the states with the worst poverty levels are located in Jesus Land. Where is your God now?
[i.huffpost.com image 570x411]


They're not poor.  They're just living humbly, like Jesus did.
 
2014-03-08 12:39:48 PM  

DubyaHater: Yes, the south sucks so bad, I hear northern accents everywhere I go in Virginia and North Carolina. It must be so horrible here that New Yorkers and their like move here in droves. When I lived in NC, most of my co-workers were from up north.
/Try harder Huff Post


A lot of people smoke meth too; doesn't mean that it doesn't suck.
 
2014-03-08 12:41:11 PM  
FTFA: "If you want to achieve the American Dream, don't move to the South."

I seem to remember something about correlation not being the same as causation ... I don't know, something about science ...

Anyway, it's hard to tell anything by using a state-level of granularity.  County-by-county provides more useful information.

xahlee.org
 
2014-03-08 12:41:58 PM  
Yes, yes.  The South sucks ass on an exponential level.  Soon as my degree is done, I'm out of here.
 
2014-03-08 12:43:14 PM  

Hilary T. N. Seuss: Judging from the maps overall, it seems that Virginia isn't part of the South, or at least not anymore.

/also, Michigan is fat


I'm assuming that Virginia is helped by the Federal government and associated military establishments.  Those DC suburbs drag that whole state up, it seems.

Also, as a Michigander, we have some problems in that regard.  Largely thanks to Detroit, but still, something we have got to work on.
 
2014-03-08 12:43:27 PM  

Dinki: wambu: Nobody ever retires and "moves North".

The only thing the south has going for it is the weather.


Not so much. There have been great southern authors, such as Faulkner. Southern folks helped create the United States constitution. There are plenty of bright folks in the south right now, but it seems to me that their voices get overwhelmed by the morons who want a fundamental Christian theocracy to govern the US.
 
2014-03-08 12:43:43 PM  
Let 'em go.

They can take whatever midwestern states are up for the ride. Start your own country, without the constant influx of "liberal state" money. Pass whatever laws you like. Make Jesus mandatory and discussion of diabetes a crime. Let's see how well you do over the next two decades.

The rest of the country loses access to the gulf of Mexico.  For the most part, though, we'd be far, far better off. 

/non-cringeworthy southern folk who'd like to emigrate here are welcome.
 
2014-03-08 12:44:27 PM  
Well, at least it didn't take long for the stormfront crowd to make an appearance in this thread....
 
2014-03-08 12:45:02 PM  

Soonerpsycho: Bslim: That, and it's full of southerners

And poor black Democrats


Wait, what?
 
2014-03-08 12:45:38 PM  
I love reading comments that bash the South, while I sit on the beach and watch bikinis stroll by.
 
2014-03-08 12:46:02 PM  

Phinn: County-by-county provides more useful information.


So what is "American" ancestry on that map?
 
2014-03-08 12:46:07 PM  

Nadie_AZ: The South isn't about Conservatism. It is about maintaining an autocratic hold over the poor and middle classes. Why is racism so strong there? The wealthy convinced the poor whites that while they were poor, at least they weren't black. And a black person is less than a white person -even if that black person were rich an the white person were poor.

If the poor and middle classes ever figure this out, they may have their own little civil war down the line.


So, conservatism.
 
2014-03-08 12:47:10 PM  

Semantic Warrior: DubyaHater: Yes, the south sucks so bad, I hear northern accents everywhere I go in Virginia and North Carolina. It must be so horrible here that New Yorkers and their like move here in droves. When I lived in NC, most of my co-workers were from up north.
/Try harder Huff Post

A lot of people smoke meth too; doesn't mean that it doesn't suck.


Big talk from someone who lives in Michigan.
 
2014-03-08 12:47:25 PM  

Hollie Maea: Nadie_AZ: The South isn't about Conservatism. It is about maintaining an autocratic hold over the poor and middle classes. Why is racism so strong there? The wealthy convinced the poor whites that while they were poor, at least they weren't black. And a black person is less than a white person -even if that black person were rich an the white person were poor.

If the poor and middle classes ever figure this out, they may have their own little civil war down the line.

So, conservatism.


Pretty much.
 
2014-03-08 12:47:35 PM  

LeroyBourne: I don't know, this winter has drained my will to live.  *looks outside, it's almost 30F*  Never mind, think I'll go for a walk later.


Right? One day it's 80s and sunny, the next day it's ICEMAGEDDON!!!!1! Then it's 80s again. Then another ice storm.

/but I'm sure global climate change is just a myth or something
 
2014-03-08 12:48:01 PM  

macadamnut: Phinn: County-by-county provides more useful information.

So what is "American" ancestry on that map?


I wondered that myself.  The Census Bureau, being a government operation, apparently can't do anything right.
 
2014-03-08 12:48:04 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Well, at least it didn't take long for the stormfront crowd to make an appearance in this thread....


Well said. Phins show up on schedule here.
 
2014-03-08 12:50:21 PM  

Delay: fundamental Christian theocracy


Delay, you used the term 'fundamental Christian theocracy'. Don't use the term 'fundamental Christian theocracy'. Anyone who uses the term 'fundamental Christian theocracy' with a straight face is a farktard and/or lunatic.
 
2014-03-08 12:50:25 PM  

Phinn: FTFA: "If you want to achieve the American Dream, don't move to the South."

I seem to remember something about correlation not being the same as causation ... I don't know, something about science ...

Anyway, it's hard to tell anything by using a state-level of granularity.  County-by-county provides more useful information.

[xahlee.org image 850x632]


Wow.   Perhaps I am not interpreting that chart correctly, but it looks like the Germans and Mexicans have pretty much taken over the country.

I suppose the south will rise again.
 
2014-03-08 12:51:02 PM  

The water was cold: I love reading comments that bash the South, while I sit on the beach and watch bikinis stroll by.


I hate the beach. Far too much sand, and the ocean smells like dead fish farts.
 
2014-03-08 12:51:21 PM  

Phinn: FTFA: "If you want to achieve the American Dream, don't move to the South."

I seem to remember something about correlation not being the same as causation ... I don't know, something about science ...

Anyway, it's hard to tell anything by using a state-level of granularity.  County-by-county provides more useful information.

[xahlee.org image 850x632]


The canary yellow actually says a lot. A number of my ancestors  came here between 1902 and 1906, and others up to 100 years earlier and 20 years later... At what point would I stop answering my "ancestry" as German, Irish, French-Canadian-Indian, etc, and just claim "American"?
 
2014-03-08 12:51:49 PM  
where is the map showing batshiat insane political/religious beliefs?
 
2014-03-08 12:52:12 PM  

macadamnut: Phinn: County-by-county provides more useful information.

So what is "American" ancestry on that map?


Scots-Irish (hillbilly, redneck, Cleti)
The disposable underclass.
White Trash.
 
2014-03-08 12:52:32 PM  

Mrbogey: Look, every non-Southerner needs to know this.

The South sucks. NEVER EVER move to the south. Stay in the North and the West and don't move to the South.



Done and DONE.
 
2014-03-08 12:53:21 PM  

The water was cold: I love reading comments that bash the South, while I sit on the beach and watch bikinis stroll by.


Yeah those bikini babes are gonna' flock to the guy posting on Fark from his phone. You're on one of those lists aren't you ?
 
2014-03-08 12:54:01 PM  

Phinn: macadamnut: Phinn: County-by-county provides more useful information.

So what is "American" ancestry on that map?

I wondered that myself.  The Census Bureau, being a government operation, apparently can't do anything right.


I wouldn't blame the Census Bureau.

They probably went to these houses and got told 'Merican.
 
2014-03-08 12:54:27 PM  

Soonerpsycho: Bslim: That, and it's full of southerners

And poor black Democrats

[i.imgur.com image 850x656]


Sorta true -- they're why white politicians don't want to expand social spending.
 
2014-03-08 12:54:33 PM  

macadamnut: Phinn: County-by-county provides more useful information.

So what is "American" ancestry on that map?


I assume people who don't actually know enough of their family ancestry.  Surnames alone can't tell you all you need to know about your national background, and if there's an adoption of some sort along the way, you'd really never know for sure.  I only know as much as I do about my ancestry because my grandfather has spent a lot of time documenting information about my immigrant ancestors.

A few careless generations would be all you'd need to simply not know your ancestry.
 
2014-03-08 12:56:14 PM  

Arkanaut: Soonerpsycho: Bslim: That, and it's full of southerners

And poor black Democrats

[i.imgur.com image 850x656]

Sorta true -- they're why white politicians don't want to expand social spending.


Which also hurts poor whites, by the way. Should have added that.
 
2014-03-08 12:56:35 PM  

DubyaHater: Yes, the south sucks so bad, I hear northern accents everywhere I go in Virginia and North Carolina. It must be so horrible here that New Yorkers and their like move here in droves. When I lived in NC, most of my co-workers were from up north.
/Try harder Huff Post


And every one of your coworkers always said how much better it was where they came from. I have a brother in law on Long Island that pays twelve grand a year in taxes. I have a similar home in NC and pay eighteen hundred.
 
2014-03-08 12:57:59 PM  

Dinki: wambu: Nobody ever retires and "moves North".

The only thing the south has going for it is the weather.


I've lived in Detroit, Dallas, Philadelphia, Oakland and Norfolk. My experience says your are wrong.
 
2014-03-08 12:58:12 PM  
FTFA: "If you want to achieve the American Dream, don't move to the South."


Ted Turner and Bernie Marcus might disagree.

But, Atlanta really isn't the South.
 
2014-03-08 12:58:13 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: where is the map showing batshiat insane political/religious beliefs?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-08 12:59:32 PM  

DubyaHater: Semantic Warrior: DubyaHater: Yes, the south sucks so bad, I hear northern accents everywhere I go in Virginia and North Carolina. It must be so horrible here that New Yorkers and their like move here in droves. When I lived in NC, most of my co-workers were from up north.
/Try harder Huff Post

A lot of people smoke meth too; doesn't mean that it doesn't suck.

Big talk from someone who lives in Michigan.


I'm not necessarily saying that the south is as bad or worse than meth, I'm just saying that your argument about people originally from the north living in the south doesn't disprove that the south sucks. 
I'm originally from WI and yes, now live in Michigan, it doesn't mean that Michigan doesn't suck (WTF is this emergency manager fascist crap?), I only moved here because I had to see about a girl.
 
2014-03-08 01:03:53 PM  

skinink: Coincidentally the states with the worst poverty levels are located in Jesus Land. Where is your God now?


Jesus loves the poor. It's rich folk that are getting the Redball Express to the Fiery Lakes of Hell.
 
2014-03-08 01:05:12 PM  

Nadie_AZ: The South isn't about Conservatism. It is about maintaining an autocratic hold over the poor and middle classes. Why is racism so strong there? The wealthy convinced the poor whites that while they were poor, at least they weren't black. And a black person is less than a white person -even if that black person were rich an the white person were poor.

If the poor and middle classes ever figure this out, they may have their own little civil war down the line.


That is fark'n stupid. So what you are saying is ALL minorities no matter color or creed are ubber wealthy up north?. Tool.
 
2014-03-08 01:05:14 PM  
macadamnut

So what is "American" ancestry on that map?

Scotch-Irish. An archaic term the people themselves no longer use, seeing themselves simply as (true) Americans. Largely Protestants that settled what was, in the day, backcountry.
 
2014-03-08 01:07:35 PM  
In short the south sucks. Don't come here, we're fine with that.

Especially you ultra-liberals trying to escape the result of your political policies. We see more and more every day.
 
2014-03-08 01:07:39 PM  

cman

Whats that thing called again? You know, hating people for growing up in a different culture?

democrat.
 
2014-03-08 01:08:23 PM  

Johnsnownw: The water was cold: I love reading comments that bash the South, while I sit on the beach and watch bikinis stroll by.

I hate the beach. Far too much sand, and the ocean smells like dead fish farts.


ts3.mm.bing.net
"Water? Never touch the stuff. Fish fark in it."
 
2014-03-08 01:08:47 PM  

jacknifetrucker: Nadie_AZ: The South isn't about Conservatism. It is about maintaining an autocratic hold over the poor and middle classes. Why is racism so strong there? The wealthy convinced the poor whites that while they were poor, at least they weren't black. And a black person is less than a white person -even if that black person were rich an the white person were poor.

If the poor and middle classes ever figure this out, they may have their own little civil war down the line.

That is fark'n stupid. So what you are saying is ALL minorities no matter color or creed are ubber wealthy up north?. Tool.


That's not what he's saying at all.  Stop.  Calm down.  Take a deep breath and re-read what he posted.  Then sit and think about it for a few minutes before slapping your hands on the keyboard again.
 
2014-03-08 01:09:13 PM  

Sammichless: The problem is they don't have enough good paying jobs there. All of these maps can basically be explained by that one statement.

The South is Conservative. They believe that Liberal tax rates, unions, business regulations, etc. are hostile to business..... The obvious answer is that they need to be more friendly to attract jobs.

Nevermind that the good paying jobs have been concentrated in the most Liberal states forever.

enry: Obviously these states aren't conservative enough.

Yup.


Were they liberal when the industries that pay these jobs moved there because of geography?  Nope.  The jobs stay there because of geography, not because they are liberal.  You've got your cart in front of the horse.
 
2014-03-08 01:10:18 PM  
Another article bashing the South? It's like all the people sniffing their own farts have some sort of inferiority complex and have to remind themselves of how superior they are.
 
2014-03-08 01:10:36 PM  
What does the Northern Poverty Law Center say about all this?

There isn't one?
 
2014-03-08 01:10:55 PM  

Semantic Warrior: DubyaHater: Semantic Warrior: DubyaHater: Yes, the south sucks so bad, I hear northern accents everywhere I go in Virginia and North Carolina. It must be so horrible here that New Yorkers and their like move here in droves. When I lived in NC, most of my co-workers were from up north.
/Try harder Huff Post

A lot of people smoke meth too; doesn't mean that it doesn't suck.

Big talk from someone who lives in Michigan.

I'm not necessarily saying that the south is as bad or worse than meth, I'm just saying that your argument about people originally from the north living in the south doesn't disprove that the south sucks.
I'm originally from WI and yes, now live in Michigan, it doesn't mean that Michigan doesn't suck (WTF is this emergency manager fascist crap?), I only moved here because I had to see about a girl.


I remember I picked my college because of that. Luckily everything turned out alright.
 
2014-03-08 01:10:58 PM  

OnlyM3: cman

Whats that thing called again? You know, hating people for growing up in a different culture?
democrat.


Progressive. There's no ideology more oppressive, elitist, condescending and self-important than that bunch of control freaks.
 
2014-03-08 01:13:03 PM  

FlashHarry: ah, yes. the great conservative experiment goes on.


Ever see that video of some typical Southerners saying that they'd rather go broke and die hungry than to give up on their "moral beliefs"? They damn well know that they're voting against their own interests, and they want it to get even worse for themselves and their children just because they cannot stand the idea of a Progressive world. Absolute, suicidal madness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDlT1OMGD28
 
2014-03-08 01:13:54 PM  

oh_please: Another article bashing the South? It's like all the people sniffing their own farts have some sort of inferiority complex and have to remind themselves of how superior they are.


Actually the article isn't bashing the south at all the submitter's headline is. The article is suggesting that southerners need to expect better from the elected officials.
 
2014-03-08 01:14:00 PM  
I could post some maps showing the South's legacy and global imprint on American Music, Literature, food, iconic architecture et al. but I'm too fat lazy and poor.
 
2014-03-08 01:14:57 PM  

cman: Whats that thing called again? You know, hating people for growing up in a different culture?


More like the WRONG culture.

(Yes, I know you posted in the wrong thread. But Mississippi still sucks and it's chock full of Fail)
 
2014-03-08 01:17:30 PM  

Farty McPooPants: Sammichless: The problem is they don't have enough good paying jobs there. All of these maps can basically be explained by that one statement.

The South is Conservative. They believe that Liberal tax rates, unions, business regulations, etc. are hostile to business..... The obvious answer is that they need to be more friendly to attract jobs.

Nevermind that the good paying jobs have been concentrated in the most Liberal states forever.

enry: Obviously these states aren't conservative enough.

Yup.

Were they liberal when the industries that pay these jobs moved there because of geography?  Nope.  The jobs stay there because of geography, not because they are liberal.  You've got your cart in front of the horse.


The industries move here constantly. We provide what businesses need to operate. We have more modern port terminals, more miles of train track, more lanes on our highways, larger investments in higher education. You know, tax and spend stuff.

Conservatives wish to provide companies with what they want..... but, they don't collect enough revenue to first provide companies with what they need first.

If a lot more businesses could set up proper supply chains in the south, they would move there.
 
2014-03-08 01:19:06 PM  

Delay: Dinki: wambu: Nobody ever retires and "moves North".

The only thing the south has going for it is the weather.

Not so much. There have been great southern authors, such as Faulkner. Southern folks helped create the United States constitution.


LOL! Southern folks sided with the British during the Revolutionary War. They've had a hatred for the United States since the very beginning.
 
2014-03-08 01:19:40 PM  
Why must the War of Northern Aggression continue to be fought? We get it, you don't like us. We tried to leave, you didn't like that so much that you sent hundreds of thousands of troops to burn, rape and pillage their way through the South, and contiue to brag about that (i.e. Sherman). You don't like us so much that your retireds flock here in droves, to pollute the air with complaints about how horrible this place they chose to move to is. Look Yankees, I'll be the first to say it; Sorry. Sorry The South is so terrible, that you just have to henpeck us every chance you get. Jeeze, get a hobby!

Also

"Hey, look at these population center maps that can be twisted to fit my rhetoric!"
 
2014-03-08 01:20:22 PM  
Hmm, seem to recall a bunch of stories linked from fark that painted a, "it's not so bad here" view of the South. Growing infrastructure, better or improving schools, and growing businesses. Add to that the population seems to be more women than men ... Exactly the opposite of Colorado, and women here know it.
 
2014-03-08 01:20:22 PM  

OnlyM3: cman

Whats that thing called again? You know, hating people for growing up in a different culture?
democrat.


1/10  you need to work on your trolling.
 
2014-03-08 01:21:11 PM  
Ah yes, the thread where we get told for the umpteen billionth time we are backward and wrong. Go ahead, take your turn on the podium  explaining how much more enlightened the North and West is compared to us. Every single one of us is a racist, homophobic, Neanderthal. All it takes is one "y'all" and it's ok to deny us employment, business, or even common courtesy.

Meanwhile, Florida is about to overtake New York as the second most populated state. Two-thirds of the population isn't originally from Florida. The two worst things to happen to Florida ever were I-75 and I-95. Easily 2/3 of the Florida tag is owned by New York/New Jersey and Ohio/Michigan.

/I hope Neil Young will remember
//A southern man don't need him around anyhow.
 
2014-03-08 01:21:24 PM  

skinink: Coincidentally the states with the worst poverty levels are located in Jesus Land. Where is your God now?
[i.huffpost.com image 570x411]


Blessed are the poor in intelligence for they shall see God in pancakes, burritos and dogs' arseholes
 
2014-03-08 01:21:45 PM  

Mrbogey: Look, every non-Southerner needs to know this.

The South sucks. NEVER EVER move to the south. Stay in the North and the West and don't move to the South. If you're in the South and you think Clifornia is a well managed place, you need to move there ASAP. You're clearly wasting your talent there.

We really need to reverse this migratory trend of non-Southerners moving into Southern states as most clearly never heard of how bad it is there.


No need to underplay this.  Southern charm? Bull.  Hospitality?  Bull and more bull.  Southern white peoples are far and away the most entitled humans in 'Murica.  Not all y'all, just those of you who believe you are not.

Must be all these years of beating up on those below your station.  Oh, and the Jesus thing.  Your major accomplishments include Lynyrd Skynyrd, LBJ, and Fried every-farking-thing.  The Fried every-farking-thing is at least somewhat tolerable on occassion.

The addition of Texas oil money into the mix is what made it go from bad to worse.  And Fox News.  New Jersey is glorious and enchanting compared to the south.  Time to face the Karmic music!!!

/ how did I do?
// 7 of 10?
///save the Creoles.  Great food and music.
 
2014-03-08 01:22:35 PM  

macadamnut: [freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com image 765x591]


They should have given him ten more years of funding
 
2014-03-08 01:24:00 PM  

Billified: Ah yes, the thread where we get told for the umpteen billionth time we are backward and wrong. Go ahead, take your turn on the podium  explaining how much more enlightened the North and West is compared to us. Every single one of us is a racist, homophobic, Neanderthal. All it takes is one "y'all" and it's ok to deny us employment, business, or even common courtesy.

Meanwhile, Florida is about to overtake New York as the second most populated state. Two-thirds of the population isn't originally from Florida. The two worst things to happen to Florida ever were I-75 and I-95. Easily 2/3 of the Florida tag is owned by New York/New Jersey and Ohio/Michigan.

/I hope Neil Young will remember
//A southern man don't need him around anyhow.


And strangely enough, Florida is going bluer and bluer as its population increases.

Curious that.
 
2014-03-08 01:25:48 PM  

Billified: Ah yes, the thread where we get told for the umpteen billionth time we are backward and wrong.


Well it's apparent you are not aware of just how farked up and rock-stupid you are, or you wouldn't be electing hideous dipsh*ts like THIS to represent YOU and inflict your ignorance and assholery on a global scale:

intellihub.com 3.bp.blogspot.com thinkprogress.org

Seriously. Please. Stop it! Stop attacking the world with these abominations!!
 
2014-03-08 01:27:02 PM  

PolyHatSnake: Why must the War of Northern Aggression continue to be fought? We get it, you don't like us. We tried to leave, you didn't like that so much that you sent hundreds of thousands of troops to burn, rape and pillage their way through the South, and contiue to brag about that


www.legendsofamerica.com

It's a habit
 
2014-03-08 01:28:39 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Billified: Ah yes, the thread where we get told for the umpteen billionth time we are backward and wrong.

Well it's apparent you are not aware of just how farked up and rock-stupid you are, or you wouldn't be electing hideous dipsh*ts like THIS to represent YOU and inflict your ignorance and assholery on a global scale:

[intellihub.com image 328x202] [3.bp.blogspot.com image 190x265] [thinkprogress.org image 300x216]

Seriously. Please. Stop it! Stop attacking the world with these abominations!!


I'm a liberal... But we could add this guy to the list:

blogs.orlandoweekly.com
 
2014-03-08 01:28:51 PM  
Whole lotta defensiveness trumping reality going on in heah.
 
2014-03-08 01:29:29 PM  

jacknifetrucker: Nadie_AZ: The South isn't about Conservatism. It is about maintaining an autocratic hold over the poor and middle classes. Why is racism so strong there? The wealthy convinced the poor whites that while they were poor, at least they weren't black. And a black person is less than a white person -even if that black person were rich an the white person were poor.

If the poor and middle classes ever figure this out, they may have their own little civil war down the line.

That is fark'n stupid. So what you are saying is ALL minorities no matter color or creed are ubber wealthy up north?. Tool.


Actually, if you look at demographic maps, the north seems to do a much better job than the south when it comes to segregation, granted this is mostly because of whites fleeing urban centers rather than forcing anyone into them...

 

DubyaHater: Semantic Warrior: , I only moved here because I had to see about a girl.

I remember I picked my college because of that. Luckily everything turned out alright.


Grats on that for you.  So far so good here, the funny thing is that neither of us want to remain here (too cold, too white, and neither of us understand people that spare no expense on their churches (apparently we've the most churches per capita here) yet can't maintain roads or any other infrastructure for that matter... we want to go somewhere warm, neither of us is big on California nor anywhere in the south, mostly for the same reasons: warm, but not terribly thrilled by political and social cultures.

Obviously the solution is Hawaii.
 
2014-03-08 01:32:34 PM  
The Stockholm syndrome is strong in this thread.
 
2014-03-08 01:32:42 PM  
Throw in a tornado alley and worse drivers map and it's complete.
 
2014-03-08 01:35:05 PM  

wambu: Nobody ever retires and "moves North".


Actually that's a lie. Anybody from North Carolina can attest to the fact that a shiat load of retired Floridians live there - and the locals ain't too happy about that.

/native Floridian
 
2014-03-08 01:36:13 PM  
I once had a colleague from Georgia who basically tried to explain to us Canadians in a conference call that the Democrats are traitors who must be executed. I'm not saying this is representative of all people from the US south east but it was a bit of a head scratcher that anyone in an industrialized democracy would be advocating not only one-party states, but political murder. He vanished and his boss communicated with us the following week that he was no longer available due to 'health reasons.'
 
2014-03-08 01:36:24 PM  

Lee451: All y'all yankees are free to go home. We promise not to stop you.

/Yankees are like hemorrhoids; when they come down and go back up they aren't too bad. When they come down and stay down they are a constant source of irritation.


Don't worry, I have no intention of ever setting foot in your part of the country...( if you guys want to secede again, I'm OK with you leaving....it's not worth fighting over, IMHO)

/ born in Massachusetts, so I guess I count as a "Yankee"
// glad I live in the Pacific Northwest, where we rarely have hot & muggy summers...
 
2014-03-08 01:37:33 PM  
That's fine. More of this for myself.
harbourviewcharleston.com
 
2014-03-08 01:42:30 PM  
I would have liked to see how a 'religious activity' map might overlay on that. Does a state full of churchgoers, relative to the average state, tend to be southern? You can't fix things if you won't admit there's a problem, and people with strong religious convictions may be open to "...because God said" types of arguments against change.
 
2014-03-08 01:42:55 PM  
Why would they want anyone to be happy and healthy?  A happy person is less likely to go to church for social support.  A happy person is less likely to have unprotected sex as a teenager.  A happy person is likely to have fewer children.  Combine that with shaming and banning everything that could help someone out of their shiat hole life and you create an environment that pushes the hordes into church pews.

/because Jesus
 
2014-03-08 01:51:54 PM  
It's fun to give people from the south shiat because you can get a reaction, especially texans. But really we're all in this together brehs, it's great we can move and work freely across our whole country so you can find the spot you personally want to live regardless if it is "blue" or "red".
 
2014-03-08 01:52:57 PM  
desertfool:

I'm a liberal... But we could add this guy to the list:

No. He drives the rightards up the wall, so that makes him a good guy.
 
2014-03-08 01:55:26 PM  

Headso: It's fun to give people from the south shiat because you can get a reaction, especially texans. But really we're all in this together brehs, it's great we can move and work freely across our whole country so you can find the spot you personally want to live regardless if it is "blue" or "red".


Tell that to the guys from Top Gear who bought an old clunker and drove it through the South with "NASCAR SUCKS" spray painted on the side. The Inbred Jeds who saw it were like a pack of crazed chimps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcJ-0bAHB4
 
2014-03-08 01:58:29 PM  

Headso: It's fun to give people from the south shiat because you can get a reaction, especially texans. But really we're all in this together brehs, it's great we can move and work freely across our whole country so you can find the spot you personally want to live regardless if it is "blue" or "red".


True. ( although the climate & religiosity across most of the South is enough to keep me from moving there...)
 
2014-03-08 02:04:14 PM  

Birnone: I would have liked to see how a 'religious activity' map might overlay on that. Does a state full of churchgoers, relative to the average state, tend to be southern? You can't fix things if you won't admit there's a problem, and people with strong religious convictions may be open to "...because God said" types of arguments against change.


Utah and Idaho would be your non-Southern outliers.
 
2014-03-08 02:10:33 PM  
Most of these maps just show areas with heavy concentrations of blacks and hispanics.
 
2014-03-08 02:10:37 PM  
Lived there for a short time, the maps do not lie.   But cheer up, we're all helping them get better - since the state programs get federal matching dollars, we all get the chance to pay!

Best memory:  seeing the civil war called "the war of northern aggression" on the official historical marker plaque at a tunnel they couldn't finish.
 
2014-03-08 02:11:18 PM  

Soonerpsycho: Bslim: That, and it's full of southerners

And poor black Democrats


Ah yes, the poisonous attitude that if you exclude certain classes of people because they bring down the average then the USA, the South, or whatever is the best in the world. E,g, the US has the best health care if you are not too dumb to make enough money to afford it.

This attitude tends to trickle up (particularly in the South) where you have poor uneducated whites who are proud of their achievement of not being black. At least they have people to look down upon. They really lose because if there are social forces that cause a large number of poor blacks then those also cause white poverty.
 
2014-03-08 02:16:40 PM  

Birnone: I would have liked to see how a 'religious activity' map might overlay on that. Does a state full of churchgoers, relative to the average state, tend to be southern? You can't fix things if you won't admit there's a problem, and people with strong religious convictions may be open to "...because God said" types of arguments against change.


Probably need to map against fundamentalism rather than just church going.
 
2014-03-08 02:17:03 PM  

Headso: But really we're all in this together brehs


It's difficult to want to be in it together when those that you're with refuse to believe anything other than what they want and are actively trying to fark over anyone who isn't them.

Let the South secede. It would be fascinating. Let them have their free market, regulation-less, mandatory Jesus utopia and see what happens over the next 50 years.

Think back to the bills that would have passed if there wasn't anyone to counter the Republicans in office. Think about they things that they say that they want but so far haven't had the power to make happen.
 
2014-03-08 02:17:15 PM  

bidness: Most of these maps just show areas with heavy concentrations of blacks and hispanics.


Your point?
 
2014-03-08 02:18:52 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Headso: It's fun to give people from the south shiat because you can get a reaction, especially texans. But really we're all in this together brehs, it's great we can move and work freely across our whole country so you can find the spot you personally want to live regardless if it is "blue" or "red".

Tell that to the guys from Top Gear who bought an old clunker and drove it through the South with "NASCAR SUCKS" spray painted on the side. The Inbred Jeds who saw it were like a pack of crazed chimps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcJ-0bAHB4


It's funny that people that are so angry about evolution best display our primate heritage.
 
2014-03-08 02:19:58 PM  
It really dawned on me the south was different when I found out the classic rock station I was listening to broke at noon everyday for an hour of down home gospel preaching.
 
2014-03-08 02:20:30 PM  
i860.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-08 02:22:23 PM  

Lee451: All y'all yankees are free to go home. We promise not to stop you.

/Yankees are like hemorrhoids; when they come down and go back up they aren't too bad. When they come down and stay down they are a constant source of irritation.


This is how Southerners react to the fact that they are behind modern civilization in most measurable ways. It's like North Koreans claiming they don't want that fancy electricity anyway.
 
2014-03-08 02:23:03 PM  

bidness: Most of these maps just show areas with heavy concentrations of blacks and hispanics.


Let's assume that what you say is true, mr troll and or dumbass. They're still Southerners. They live in the South and are a product of Southern society and environment. Unless you meant to damn those minorities for being a wart on the South. Which is racist. So either that comment was racism, and thus reinforces the stereotypes about the South, or it was to point out how badly the South treats minorities and limits the ability to get out of poverty, and thus reinforces the stereotypes about the South.

Good jorb, mr troll and or dumbass.
 
2014-03-08 02:23:30 PM  

g20kid: That's fine. More of this for myself.
[harbourviewcharleston.com image 850x567]


And the north is just full of ugly cities

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-08 02:25:39 PM  
I've spent most of my life living in the South (although the past couple of decades in Central Florida don't count as any Southerner will tell you) but I grew up in the Redneck Riveria and spent half a decade in Birmingham.

There are a lot of great things about the South. Intellectual reckoning is not one of them.
 
pla
2014-03-08 02:26:19 PM  
You want to see the real tragedy of the south?  We need a map of average time to get served fast food.

On my last visit down that way, I just gave up and switched to eating nothing but things I could buy at the grocery store and eat right out of the package.

/ Literally had to wait 45 minutes to get a farkin' footlong from Subway, with only two people in line ahead of me.
// I would have given up and left in a huff, if I didn't find it so fascinating that someone could work that slowly yet somehow still look busy.
 
2014-03-08 02:27:01 PM  

InflamedGonads: [i860.photobucket.com image 800x525]


Why is Idaho marked that way on that map? They're more Southern than the Southerners are, generally....
 
2014-03-08 02:30:00 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: Headso: But really we're all in this together brehs

It's difficult to want to be in it together when those that you're with refuse to believe anything other than what they want and are actively trying to fark over anyone who isn't them.

Let the South secede. It would be fascinating. Let them have their free market, regulation-less, mandatory Jesus utopia and see what happens over the next 50 years.

Think back to the bills that would have passed if there wasn't anyone to counter the Republicans in office. Think about they things that they say that they want but so far haven't had the power to make happen.


Ben Carson just gave a speech in which he called for voting out everyone who voted for the debt ceiling increase.

A sick part of me would like to see him in office, vetoing a debt ceiling increase. It would be horrible, but by god it would be fascinating. And a great cautionary tale.
 
2014-03-08 02:34:46 PM  
They're racial demographic maps, aren't they?
 
2014-03-08 02:41:54 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: Headso: But really we're all in this together brehs

It's difficult to want to be in it together when those that you're with refuse to believe anything other than what they want and are actively trying to fark over anyone who isn't them.

Let the South secede. It would be fascinating. Let them have their free market, regulation-less, mandatory Jesus utopia and see what happens over the next 50 years.

Think back to the bills that would have passed if there wasn't anyone to counter the Republicans in office. Think about they things that they say that they want but so far haven't had the power to make happen.


I think about it every day.
 
2014-03-08 02:49:41 PM  

namatad: bidness: Most of these maps just show areas with heavy concentrations of blacks and hispanics.

Your point?


Now I remember why this troll is a gray "ignore" bar.
 
2014-03-08 02:50:14 PM  
After living in Alabama for years, it's impossible not to notice many Southerners have an "us-against-the-world" attitude towards most everything. We don't want to join the 21st Century, that's just what those Yankees want us to do!
 
2014-03-08 02:51:07 PM  
Denver here. Not North or South. Not east at all but not completely west.

The point is that we here can smoke pot legally and most of you cannot.

We win.

Suck it~!
 
2014-03-08 02:51:30 PM  

Lumber Jack Off: /native Floridian


I know where the other two live.
 
2014-03-08 02:53:32 PM  

Delay: Dinki: wambu: Nobody ever retires and "moves North".

The only thing the south has going for it is the weather.

Not so much. There have been great southern authors, such as Faulkner. Southern folks helped create the United States constitution. There are plenty of bright folks in the south right now, but it seems to me that their voices get overwhelmed by the morons who want a fundamental Christian theocracy to govern the US.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-08 02:55:56 PM  

Sammichless: Farty McPooPants: Sammichless: The problem is they don't have enough good paying jobs there. All of these maps can basically be explained by that one statement.

The South is Conservative. They believe that Liberal tax rates, unions, business regulations, etc. are hostile to business..... The obvious answer is that they need to be more friendly to attract jobs.

Nevermind that the good paying jobs have been concentrated in the most Liberal states forever.

enry: Obviously these states aren't conservative enough.

Yup.

Were they liberal when the industries that pay these jobs moved there because of geography?  Nope.  The jobs stay there because of geography, not because they are liberal.  You've got your cart in front of the horse.

The industries move here constantly. We provide what businesses need to operate. We have more modern port terminals, more miles of train track, more lanes on our highways, larger investments in higher education. You know, tax and spend stuff.

Conservatives wish to provide companies with what they want..... but, they don't collect enough revenue to first provide companies with what they need first.

If a lot more businesses could set up proper supply chains in the south, they would move there.


Michelin, BMW, Nissan, Toyota, Cisco, Honda, GM, Caterpillar, Volkswagen, etc., etc. think differently about your opinion.

I'm not so sure what the northeast is bragging about, since their workplace landscape is mainly service industry, and what's left of steel industry, auto assembly and that's about it.  Upstate NY has 53 counties, 43 of which have negative growth in the last 20 years, even with all of that Great Lakes access and available property.  Mario Cuomo told several automakers (Nissan, Saturn, Volkswagen) in the 1980's and early 1990's to go fark themselves when they were looking to build new plants there.  The north  wants poor people there (NY has some of the most liberal welfare programs available, throwing money at the poor left and right).  Detroit/MI?  You have Ann Arbor and Traverse City, the rest of the state is a wasteland.  Port access doesn't mean dick apparently in the Great Lakes states.  Must be something else keeping growth down since, oh, the 1970's there.
 
2014-03-08 03:02:50 PM  

Lumber Jack Off: wambu: Nobody ever retires and "moves North".

Actually that's a lie. Anybody from North Carolina can attest to the fact that a shiat load of retired Floridians live there - and the locals ain't too happy about that.

/native Floridian


He meant north as in "North of the Mason-Dison line", not strictly north of the latitude they originated at.
 
2014-03-08 03:07:26 PM  
Settle an area where a very few families own 99 percent of the land and wealth, and the rest of the people are ignorant farmers and/or slaves. Wait 200 years and have a devastating war. Wait another 70 years before doing anything to improve the infrastructure, endemic poverty and widespread illiteracy. Wait another 30 years to eliminate discriminatory laws that institutionalize poverty among one-third of the population. Wait another 45 years, and what the hell? This part of the country still lags behind the rest of the country on measures of education, health and income disparity. Wonder how that could have happened?
 
2014-03-08 03:09:04 PM  
And yet, the influx of people moving here from the North East and West continues unabated.
 
2014-03-08 03:09:11 PM  
Oh yeah, another North/South circle jerk on FARK
 
2014-03-08 03:11:19 PM  

InflamedGonads: [i860.photobucket.com image 800x525]


aka places that you live?
 
2014-03-08 03:12:16 PM  

Saturn5: And yet, the influx of people moving here from the North East and West continues unabated.


whyfiles.org
 
2014-03-08 03:13:35 PM  

Saturn5: And yet, the influx of people moving here from the North East and West continues unabated.


Eventually that will lift you guys out of it. But not until there are enough of them to outvote you guys.
 
2014-03-08 03:15:28 PM  

Confabulat: After living in Alabama for years, it's impossible not to notice many Southerners have an "us-against-the-world" attitude towards most everything. We don't want to join the 21st Century, that's just what those Yankees want us to do!


No dog in this fight, but...

After reading this thread, I can't imagine why these folks have an Us-vs-the World attitude.
 
2014-03-08 03:16:00 PM  
I moved from the South in 1991 because things needed um, improvement.  However, one thing I discovered is that north of the Mason/Dixon line it's not all wine and roses.  For example here in Wisconsin our largest metropolitan area (Milwaukee) has such terrible race relations and segregation that it's probably the closest thing to South Africa in he Western world.  And our yokels and frightened suburbanites gave us Scott Walker on Election Day.  So yeah, the South's full of derp.  But we've got plenty up here as well.
 
2014-03-08 03:20:31 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Headso: It's fun to give people from the south shiat because you can get a reaction, especially texans. But really we're all in this together brehs, it's great we can move and work freely across our whole country so you can find the spot you personally want to live regardless if it is "blue" or "red".

Tell that to the guys from Top Gear who bought an old clunker and drove it through the South with "NASCAR SUCKS" spray painted on the side. The Inbred Jeds who saw it were like a pack of crazed chimps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcJ-0bAHB4


They should have bowed down to their betters from Ol Blighty.
 
2014-03-08 03:22:23 PM  

Saturn5: And yet, the influx of people moving here from the North East and West continues unabated.


Sure
Cheap land and property.
Cheap labor.

It is rational for people who are better off to take advantage of people who are worse off.
Purely from an economical point of view.

If I can save 10-30% on my retirement by moving south, it is a no brainer.
And it helps the economies of those that are worse off.

The creepiest part of these maps is that they all are red states.
Not enough poverty to vote the repressors out of power. Not yet.
 
2014-03-08 03:22:44 PM  

Hollie Maea: Saturn5: And yet, the influx of people moving here from the North East and West continues unabated.

Eventually that will lift you guys out of it. But not until there are enough of them to outvote you guys.



If their areas are awesome because of their politics then why don't they just stay there instead of spreading their derp... errr I mean enlightened liberal politics?
 
2014-03-08 03:29:08 PM  

cmb53208: I moved from the South in 1991 because things needed um, improvement.  However, one thing I discovered is that north of the Mason/Dixon line it's not all wine and roses.  For example here in Wisconsin our largest metropolitan area (Milwaukee) has such terrible race relations and segregation that it's probably the closest thing to South Africa in he Western world.  And our yokels and frightened suburbanites gave us Scott Walker on Election Day.  So yeah, the South's full of derp.  But we've got plenty up here as well.


Sure. The north continues to have segregation.
The argument is that over all, the north has done a slightly better job of reducing poverty, etc.

Probably the greatest tragedy of our times was that Brown v Board ended segregation without addressing school funding.  Something as simple as requiring that all public funding for public schools come from State and Federal funds and ban all funding from local sources.

We got the rich and middle moving out of the cities and taking their school funding with them.
If funding was roughly equal across the state, there would be less impetus to flee the cities.

Uneducated people will continue to be stuck in poverty.
 
2014-03-08 03:30:56 PM  

SquiggsIN: Barbecue Bob: Denver here. Not North or South. Not east at all but not completely west.

The point is that we here can smoke pot legally and most of you cannot.

We win.

Suck it~!

It won't be exclusive to WA and CO in the next few years.  States are going to start falling like dominoes once they are surrounded neighbor states that their residents drive into to pay taxes on cannabis, have a meal, fill up on gas, and then return to their own non-cannabis approving states.


I cant wait to get one of those near chicago. The illinois medical pot laws are among the most draconian and useless in the nation.  FFS, why cant you grow your own medical pot? WHY the fark would your laws exclude that? Because people might use it recreationally? REALLY? You dont say.
 
2014-03-08 03:31:26 PM  
If you want to achieve the American Dream, don't move to the South. That's because states in the South have extremely low levels of economic mobility.

Just because people that already live there don't move up for one reason or another doesn't mean that someone that moves there won't move up.
 
2014-03-08 03:32:42 PM  

Mrbogey: Hollie Maea: Saturn5: And yet, the influx of people moving here from the North East and West continues unabated.

Eventually that will lift you guys out of it. But not until there are enough of them to outvote you guys.


If their areas are awesome because of their politics then why don't they just stay there instead of spreading their derp... errr I mean enlightened liberal politics?


I'm not from the north east, but my guess is that it is because the weather sucks.

I live in a blue state, and needless to say, the politics isn't driving me away.
 
2014-03-08 03:37:43 PM  

enry: Obviously these states aren't conservative enough.


Right, liberals don't want to enforce the border, and want to increase immigration by like 50% and give amnesty to illegals, and want to throw Sheriff Joe in jail for trying to do something about it, but it's a conservative policy problem that there are a bunch of poor Mexicans in border states.

For the record, libtards, I'm not sure where HuffPo gets its maps, but blue state California has 14% of the country's population, but like 34% of its welfare recipients. And about 34% of the country's illegals. Hmm, there's an interesting correlation...
 
2014-03-08 03:39:27 PM  
www.technologystudent.com

...and then we wonder why the rest of the world flips us the bird.
 
2014-03-08 03:40:09 PM  

StanTheMan: enry: Obviously these states aren't conservative enough.

Right, liberals don't want to enforce the border, and want to increase immigration by like 50% and give amnesty to illegals, and want to throw Sheriff Joe in jail for trying to do something about it, but it's a conservative policy problem that there are a bunch of poor Mexicans in border states.

For the record, libtards, I'm not sure where HuffPo gets its maps, but blue state California has 14% of the country's population, but like 34% of its welfare recipients. And about 34% of the country's illegals. Hmm, there's an interesting correlation...


Alabama is a border state?
 
2014-03-08 03:41:41 PM  

cmb53208: For example here in Wisconsin our largest metropolitan area (Milwaukee) has such terrible race relations and segregation that it's probably the closest thing to South Africa in he Western world.


One thing about Birmingham, it's one of the most racially progressive cities you'll ever see. Not to say it's not full of racists, because it is, but Birmingham has had race thrown its face for so long no one ignores it. In other cities, people just don't talk about it, like it's not there. Birmingham never has that problem.
 
2014-03-08 03:41:56 PM  
InflamedGonads:
img.fark.net


What's a 'makeup statistic' and how do you suck one.
 
2014-03-08 03:41:57 PM  

Phinn: FTFA: "If you want to achieve the American Dream, don't move to the South."

I seem to remember something about correlation not being the same as causation ... I don't know, something about science ...

Anyway, it's hard to tell anything by using a state-level of granularity.  County-by-county provides more useful information.


img.fark.net

Wow, look at all those black and Mexican "Republicans." #Libtardlogicfail
 
2014-03-08 03:42:16 PM  
What,  not a single map just pointing to the location of Duke for the proof that the South sucks?

Fark, I am disappointed.

/I'd do it,  but I have 0 graphical skills.
 
2014-03-08 03:47:18 PM  

Phinn: OnlyM3: cman

Whats that thing called again? You know, hating people for growing up in a different culture?
democrat.

Progressive. There's no ideology more oppressive, elitist, condescending and self-important than that bunch of control freaks.


I lol'd.
 
2014-03-08 03:50:10 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Delay: Dinki: wambu: Nobody ever retires and "moves North".

The only thing the south has going for it is the weather.

Not so much. There have been great southern authors, such as Faulkner. Southern folks helped create the United States constitution.

LOL! Southern folks sided with the British during the Revolutionary War. They've had a hatred for the United States since the very beginning.


Why hasn't anyone challenged you? Most likely because they realize you are a lost cause.

Did you fail 4th grade a few times? That's the grade when you start learning about the revolutionary war. Social Studies IIRC is the name of that class. To say that the southern folks sided with the British is stupid.

I don't even need to argue with this moronic view. So, instead, I will say one thing that will automatically make me win the argument: citation needed. You said it you prove it.
 
2014-03-08 03:50:17 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Headso: It's fun to give people from the south shiat because you can get a reaction, especially texans. But really we're all in this together brehs, it's great we can move and work freely across our whole country so you can find the spot you personally want to live regardless if it is "blue" or "red".

Tell that to the guys from Top Gear who bought an old clunker and drove it through the South with "NASCAR SUCKS" spray painted on the side. The Inbred Jeds who saw it were like a pack of crazed chimps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcJ-0bAHB4


I wonder what would happen if you took a Reliant Robin, spray painted "Football Soccer Sucks" and drove around Liverpool, Wolverhampton, or Glasgow?

/three smoking tyres
//and armageddon
 
2014-03-08 03:52:45 PM  

Mrbogey: Hollie Maea: Saturn5: And yet, the influx of people moving here from the North East and West continues unabated.

Eventually that will lift you guys out of it. But not until there are enough of them to outvote you guys.


If their areas are awesome because of their politics then why don't they just stay there instead of spreading their derp... errr I mean enlightened liberal politics?


Hmm. We should use that same logic on evangelical Christians going to "spread the good news".
 
2014-03-08 03:53:53 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Billified: Ah yes, the thread where we get told for the umpteen billionth time we are backward and wrong.

Well it's apparent you are not aware of just how farked up and rock-stupid you are, or you wouldn't be electing hideous dipsh*ts like THIS to represent YOU and inflict your ignorance and assholery on a global scale:

[intellihub.com image 328x202] [3.bp.blogspot.com image 190x265] [thinkprogress.org image 300x216]

Seriously. Please. Stop it! Stop attacking the world with these abominations!!


img.fark.netimg.fark.net

Well, let's see, two of the people you just called "dipshiats" are 1) Rand Paul, an Ophthalmologist trained at Duke Medical School, and 2) Ted Cruz, a national-champion debater at Princeton, and a Harvard-trained lawyer who Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "was off-the-charts brilliant."

So perhaps you could tell us about your superior intellect and academic background, Sparky?

I mean, are any libertarians or conservatives allowed to run for office in your open-minded liberal world view? Or just people with whom you agree, and everyone else is a "dipshiat?"
 
2014-03-08 03:55:32 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: macadamnut

So what is "American" ancestry on that map?

Scotch-Irish. An archaic term the people themselves no longer use, seeing themselves simply as (true) Americans. Largely Protestants that settled what was, in the day, backcountry.


Funny you should mention this. I had to fill out the census yesterday and I put American as my race. I'm Scots-Irish by very definition but my family has been here since the 1700s so American makes more sense.

/lives in California
 
2014-03-08 03:56:42 PM  

SquiggsIN: StanTheMan: Right, liberals don't want to enforce the border, and want to increase immigration by like 50% and give amnesty to illegals, and want to throw Sheriff Joe in jail for trying to do something about it, but it's a conservative policy problem that there are a bunch of poor Mexicans in border states.

For the record, libtards, I'm not sure where HuffPo gets its maps, but blue state California has 14% of the country's population, but like 34% of its welfare recipients. And about 34% of the country's illegals. Hmm, there's an interesting correlation...

[strawman image posted instead of an actual comeback]


images.sodahead.com

When you have no argument, post an image calling the other guy dumb. Because debating is hard!
 
2014-03-08 03:57:21 PM  
StanTheMan:
Well, let's see, two of the people you just called "dipshiats" are 1) Rand Paul, an Ophthalmologist trained at Duke Medical School, and 2) Ted Cruz, a national-champion debater at Princeton, and a Harvard-trained lawyer who Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "was off-the-charts brilliant."

Says more about Duke, Princeton, Harvard, and Dershowitz than anything we didn't know about those two dipshiats.
 
2014-03-08 03:58:42 PM  

StanTheMan: Rand Paul, an Ophthalmologist trained at Duke Medical School


Who made up his own ophthalmology board rather than get re-certified, appointed himself president, his wife (not a doctor) VP, and his father-in-law secretary. I mean could you even imagine the outrage of Obama just made up his own bar association and appointed himself President and Michelle VP. I can't even fathom the intensity of the right wing's reaction.

Anyway, Rand Paul is a joke.
 
2014-03-08 03:59:08 PM  

Hollie Maea: StanTheMan: enry: Obviously these states aren't conservative enough.

Right, liberals don't want to enforce the border, and want to increase immigration by like 50% and give amnesty to illegals, and want to throw Sheriff Joe in jail for trying to do something about it, but it's a conservative policy problem that there are a bunch of poor Mexicans in border states.

For the record, libtards, I'm not sure where HuffPo gets its maps, but blue state California has 14% of the country's population, but like 34% of its welfare recipients. And about 34% of the country's illegals. Hmm, there's an interesting correlation...

Alabama is a border state?


Really? That's the best you can do? There's also a lot of poor black people who vote 99% Dumbocrat in the South.
 
2014-03-08 04:03:26 PM  

Abox: StanTheMan:
Well, let's see, two of the people you just called "dipshiats" are 1) Rand Paul, an Ophthalmologist trained at Duke Medical School, and 2) Ted Cruz, a national-champion debater at Princeton, and a Harvard-trained lawyer who Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "was off-the-charts brilliant."

Says more about Duke, Princeton, Harvard, and Dershowitz than anything we didn't know about those two dipshiats.


In other words, dur-hur, "Princeton and Harvard are dumb, only liberals are smart." I'm guessing both had much higher SAT's than anyone in this thread.

Dusk-You-n-Me: Who made up his own ophthalmology board rather than get re-certified, appointed himself president, his wife (not a doctor) VP, and his father-in-law secretary. I mean could you even imagine the outrage of Obama just made up his own bar association and appointed himself President and Michelle VP. I can't even fathom the intensity of the right wing's reaction.

Anyway, Rand Paul is a joke.


Uh, OK, and what do you do for a living? And what was your SAT and MCAT score?

I'd sure like to see Obama's SATs and LSATs. Or a single article President Affirmative Action wrote for the Harvard Law Review.
 
2014-03-08 04:03:30 PM  

StanTheMan: Hollie Maea: StanTheMan: enry: Obviously these states aren't conservative enough.

Right, liberals don't want to enforce the border, and want to increase immigration by like 50% and give amnesty to illegals, and want to throw Sheriff Joe in jail for trying to do something about it, but it's a conservative policy problem that there are a bunch of poor Mexicans in border states.

For the record, libtards, I'm not sure where HuffPo gets its maps, but blue state California has 14% of the country's population, but like 34% of its welfare recipients. And about 34% of the country's illegals. Hmm, there's an interesting correlation...

Alabama is a border state?

Really? That's the best you can do? There's also a lot of poor black people who vote 99% Dumbocrat in the South.


Yeah, and the politicians they elected sure have screwed the region up, huh?

All those democrats politicians elected by southern blacks.
 
2014-03-08 04:06:53 PM  
StanTheMan:
In other words, dur-hur, "Princeton and Harvard are dumb, only liberals are smart." I'm guessing both had much higher SAT's than anyone in this thread.

No...just that Duke, Princeton, and Harvard turned out at least two dipshiats.  And Dershowitz thinks a dipshiat is brilliant.
 
2014-03-08 04:07:56 PM  

Mrbogey: Hollie Maea: Saturn5: And yet, the influx of people moving here from the North East and West continues unabated.

Eventually that will lift you guys out of it. But not until there are enough of them to outvote you guys.


If their areas are awesome because of their politics then why don't they just stay there instead of spreading their derp... errr I mean enlightened liberal politics?


it's warmer in the winter...
 
2014-03-08 04:08:17 PM  

namatad: Saturn5: And yet, the influx of people moving here from the North East and West continues unabated.

Sure
Cheap land and property.
Cheap labor.

It is rational for people who are better off to take advantage of people who are worse off.
Purely from an economical point of view.

If I can save 10-30% on my retirement by moving south, it is a no brainer.
And it helps the economies of those that are worse off.

The creepiest part of these maps is that they all are red states.
Not enough poverty to vote the repressors out of power. Not yet.


NY state (outside NYC) has some of the cheapest real estate prices in the country (along with among the highest property taxes).  If you're not revolving around NYC in any way, shape, or form, no matter how big,  Albany does not give the smallest fark about your company, or the jobs it wants to bring.  There is one county just above NYC that received a billion $ incentive for a chip-building company to make a new factory there.  That's it.  There are commercials in the south right now advertising NY is "Open for business" (note: no taxes for 10 years, but in Year 11, you're screwed, or you'll just move out like everyone else does).  Anyway, the commercials are a big joke with southerners.
 
2014-03-08 04:08:19 PM  

StanTheMan: Uh, OK, and what do you do for a living? And what was your SAT and MCAT score?

I'd sure like to see Obama's SATs and LSATs. Or a single article President Affirmative Action wrote for the Harvard Law Review.


This is what you're going to go with? Coming after me and b-b-but Obama? Genius, man.

Dude, you need to accept the fact that your hero MADE UP HIS OWN OPTHALMOLOGY BOARD rather than get re-certified. If a Democrat did the same thing you'd never let a supporter of his or hers hear the end of it. You know that. Rand Paul is a fraud. Own it.
 
2014-03-08 04:12:59 PM  

cman: Did you fail 4th grade a few times? That's the grade when you start learning about the revolutionary war. Social Studies IIRC is the name of that class. To say that the southern folks sided with the British is stupid.


http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactiv it ies/presentations/timeline/amrev/south/

Believing the loyalists were strongest in the South and hoping to enlist the slaves in their cause--an objective that seems incompatible with a focus on Southern loyalists--the British turned their efforts to the South. In fact, the British had some important military successes in the South. They occupied Savannah, Georgia, in late 1778 and Charleston, South Carolina, in May 1779. They also struck a disastrous blow on General Horatio Gates' forces at Camden, South Carolina, in August 1780.
 
2014-03-08 04:13:41 PM  

Abox: InflamedGonads:
[img.fark.net image 800x525]


What's a 'makeup statistic' and how do you suck one.


better yet, is he arguing that the reason that the south sucks so bad is that they are not getting enough blow jobs?!! LOL
 
2014-03-08 04:15:08 PM  

Soonerpsycho: Bslim: That, and it's full of southerners

And poor black Democrats

[i.imgur.com image 850x656]


And who's fault is that?
 
2014-03-08 04:15:49 PM  

StanTheMan: Well, let's see, two of the people you just called "dipshiats" are 1) Rand Paul, an Ophthalmologist trained at Duke Medical School, and 2) Ted Cruz, a national-champion debater at Princeton, and a Harvard-trained lawyer who Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "was off-the-charts brilliant."


And GW Bush was Yale graduate and allegedly a pilot to the F-1-4 Starfighter (a very, very tricky plane to fly).

And yet, they'll simpering assholes all.

Oh, and this guy was a pretty brilliant cookie in his time too:

ilarge.listal.com

('Tain no Godwin if it's true)
 
2014-03-08 04:17:20 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: StanTheMan: Uh, OK, and what do you do for a living? And what was your SAT and MCAT score?

I'd sure like to see Obama's SATs and LSATs. Or a single article President Affirmative Action wrote for the Harvard Law Review.

This is what you're going to go with? Coming after me and b-b-but Obama? Genius, man.

Dude, you need to accept the fact that your hero MADE UP HIS OWN OPTHALMOLOGY BOARD rather than get re-certified. If a Democrat did the same thing you'd never let a supporter of his or hers hear the end of it. You know that. Rand Paul is a fraud. Own it.


When was the last time the a republican owned a truth and didnt get drumed out of the club?
Seriously, when did that happen and who started it?
Was it Rove and Company?
The whole: never attack your own, no matter what. Never own up to a mistake or error. Ever.
 
2014-03-08 04:18:27 PM  

TV's Vinnie: And GW Bush was Yale graduate and allegedly a pilot to the F-1-4 Starfighter (a very, very tricky plane to fly).


Are you seriously white knighting W's brains?
ROFL
 
2014-03-08 04:23:53 PM  

namatad: TV's Vinnie: And GW Bush was Yale graduate and allegedly a pilot to the F-1-4 Starfighter (a very, very tricky plane to fly).

Are you seriously white knighting W's brains?
ROFL


there's a video online of W debating for governor and the dude was pretty quick in his younger years, alcoholism ftl...
 
2014-03-08 04:27:16 PM  

namatad: Dusk-You-n-Me: StanTheMan: Uh, OK, and what do you do for a living? And what was your SAT and MCAT score?

I'd sure like to see Obama's SATs and LSATs. Or a single article President Affirmative Action wrote for the Harvard Law Review.

This is what you're going to go with? Coming after me and b-b-but Obama? Genius, man.

Dude, you need to accept the fact that your hero MADE UP HIS OWN OPTHALMOLOGY BOARD rather than get re-certified. If a Democrat did the same thing you'd never let a supporter of his or hers hear the end of it. You know that. Rand Paul is a fraud. Own it.

When was the last time the a republican owned a truth and didnt get drumed out of the club?
Seriously, when did that happen and who started it?
Was it Rove and Company?
The whole: never attack your own, no matter what. Never own up to a mistake or error. Ever.


Excuse me, but the current administration has done anything BUT own any truth in its existence.  6 years in, and the previous administration is the sole cause of all of Obama's mistakes.
 
2014-03-08 04:28:33 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Sammichless: Farty McPooPants: Sammichless: The problem is they don't have enough good paying jobs there. All of these maps can basically be explained by that one statement.

The South is Conservative. They believe that Liberal tax rates, unions, business regulations, etc. are hostile to business..... The obvious answer is that they need to be more friendly to attract jobs.

Nevermind that the good paying jobs have been concentrated in the most Liberal states forever.

enry: Obviously these states aren't conservative enough.

Yup.

Were they liberal when the industries that pay these jobs moved there because of geography?  Nope.  The jobs stay there because of geography, not because they are liberal.  You've got your cart in front of the horse.

The industries move here constantly. We provide what businesses need to operate. We have more modern port terminals, more miles of train track, more lanes on our highways, larger investments in higher education. You know, tax and spend stuff.

Conservatives wish to provide companies with what they want..... but, they don't collect enough revenue to first provide companies with what they need first.

If a lot more businesses could set up proper supply chains in the south, they would move there.

Michelin, BMW, Nissan, Toyota, Cisco, Honda, GM, Caterpillar, Volkswagen, etc., etc. think differently about your opinion.

I'm not so sure what the northeast is bragging about, since their workplace landscape is mainly service industry, and what's left of steel industry, auto assembly and that's about it.  Upstate NY has 53 counties, 43 of which have negative growth in the last 20 years, even with all of that Great Lakes access and available property.  Mario Cuomo told several automakers (Nissan, Saturn, Volkswagen) in the 1980's and early 1990's to go fark themselves when they were looking to build new plants there.  The north  wants poor people there (NY has some of the most liberal welfare programs available, throwing money at the ...


Microsoft, Amazon, Paccar (which includes Peterbuilt), REI, Starbucks, Nordstrom, Eddie Bauer, Costco, etc. This is my state alone. We are also the world capitol of aerospace engineering and manufacture, and the 9th highest grossing agricultural state. The Conservative states really don't have enough industry to support their population. They cannot fit more industry either, which is why they do not grow as fast.

The Companies in my state would love to move to the south...... they can't do it. The south does not grow their infrastructure fast enough to make room for them. The rails, and ports, and highways in the south are basically already working at capacity.

Fiscal conservatism supports "business friendly" policies...... but, they don't invest in their own future. So they do not get the jobs.
 
2014-03-08 04:29:38 PM  

Saturn5: And yet, the influx of people moving here from the North East and West continues unabated.


who are moving there mostly for the low cost of living, not good jobs. While retirees bring external cash into a community and  jobs providing them services they really don't contribute much as far a paying taxes or even caring about community issue such a schools.

I'm surprised more tightwads haven't moved to Mexico for an even lower cost of living. Are there laws saying they can't receive their Social Security or Medicare if they don't reside in the US?
 
2014-03-08 04:33:44 PM  

TV's Vinnie: cman: Did you fail 4th grade a few times? That's the grade when you start learning about the revolutionary war. Social Studies IIRC is the name of that class. To say that the southern folks sided with the British is stupid.

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactiv it ies/presentations/timeline/amrev/south/

Believing the loyalists were strongest in the South and hoping to enlist the slaves in their cause--an objective that seems incompatible with a focus on Southern loyalists--the British turned their efforts to the South. In fact, the British had some important military successes in the South. They occupied Savannah, Georgia, in late 1778 and Charleston, South Carolina, in May 1779. They also struck a disastrous blow on General Horatio Gates' forces at Camden, South Carolina, in August 1780.


Believing loyalists were strongest in the south does not mean that they sided with the Brits.

You lose. Good day, sir.
 
2014-03-08 04:34:16 PM  
Dr.Zom

Funny you should mention this. I had to fill out the census yesterday and I put American as my race. I'm Scots-Irish by very definition but my family has been here since the 1700s so American makes more sense.

It's very common amongst those who share your ancestry. As I understand it, they originally were distinguished from English people that were generally more affluent and settled on the coasts, but then Catholic/Gaelic Irish immigrants became a thing, and they definitely wanted to be differentiated from them, as well. Eventually they just said fark it and called themselves Americans, since in large part they were here before the American revolution against Britain and made up a large part of the American forces (not terribly fond of the Crown). They took to the mountains and settled much of what's now the South, just as the later waves of Germans settled much of the more northern states, spreading into the midwest and eventually west, all of which is still evident in the ethnic map provided upthread.

Hardy folk. Great Indian fighters and pioneers. Touchy and willing to stab you with a proto-Bowie knife for giving insult, as I understand it. Although my family has only come to America in the last century, I have a fascination for the way ethnic groups related to each other in earlier American history, especially the groups that were here prior to the revolution, like your (and my wife's) people. Essentially spitting in the face of England and its daughter civilisation of the early colonies and turning off into the wilderness to deal with the natives on their own. Crazy times.
 
2014-03-08 04:34:52 PM  

Sammichless: Microsoft, Amazon, Paccar (which includes Peterbuilt), REI, Starbucks, Nordstrom, Eddie Bauer, Costco, etc. This is my state alone.


Also the state with the highest minimum wage in the nation, beats the U.S. as a whole in job creation, and had trailed the U.S. level of poverty for the past 7 years.
 
2014-03-08 04:35:53 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: where is the map showing batshiat insane political/religious beliefs?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-08 04:42:28 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Sammichless: Microsoft, Amazon, Paccar (which includes Peterbuilt), REI, Starbucks, Nordstrom, Eddie Bauer, Costco, etc. This is my state alone.

Also the state with the highest minimum wage in the nation, beats the U.S. as a whole in job creation, and had trailed the U.S. level of poverty for the past 7 years.


Thank you.

And just to piss off Conservatives, I would like to add that, because we have more jobs, and less poverty, we:

Are in the bottom ten for public school spending..... but, the top ten for public school results.

We are towards the bottom in safety net spending, but offer some of the most expansive benefits.

We are very low in crime prevention spending (police, prisons, and court costs), but have a reasonable crime rate.

/Hehe.
 
2014-03-08 04:45:08 PM  

Birnone: I would have liked to see how a 'religious activity' map might overlay on that. Does a state full of churchgoers, relative to the average state, tend to be southern? You can't fix things if you won't admit there's a problem, and people with strong religious convictions may be open to "...because God said" types of arguments against change.


harlanjacobsen.com
 
2014-03-08 04:49:53 PM  

namatad: Birnone: I would have liked to see how a 'religious activity' map might overlay on that. Does a state full of churchgoers, relative to the average state, tend to be southern? You can't fix things if you won't admit there's a problem, and people with strong religious convictions may be open to "...because God said" types of arguments against change.

Probably need to map against fundamentalism rather than just church going.


eclecticchristian.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-08 04:50:05 PM  

cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: Did you fail 4th grade a few times? That's the grade when you start learning about the revolutionary war. Social Studies IIRC is the name of that class. To say that the southern folks sided with the British is stupid.

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactiv it ies/presentations/timeline/amrev/south/

Believing the loyalists were strongest in the South and hoping to enlist the slaves in their cause--an objective that seems incompatible with a focus on Southern loyalists--the British turned their efforts to the South. In fact, the British had some important military successes in the South. They occupied Savannah, Georgia, in late 1778 and Charleston, South Carolina, in May 1779. They also struck a disastrous blow on General Horatio Gates' forces at Camden, South Carolina, in August 1780.

Believing loyalists were strongest in the south does not mean that they sided with the Brits.

You lose. Good day, sir.


No, you lose because all you got was "cuz I said so!".
 
2014-03-08 04:52:08 PM  

SquiggsIN: It won't be exclusive to WA and CO in the next few years. States are going to start falling like dominoes once they are surrounded neighbor states that their residents drive into to pay taxes on cannabis, have a meal, fill up on gas, and then return to their own non-cannabis approving states.


They won't do that. They'll just pull what they do with people who cross state lines to buy cheaper liquor. Watch the cars that go to the state line cannabis stores, look for the ones that have their state's plates and bust them as they cross the state line.
 
2014-03-08 04:54:37 PM  

TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: Did you fail 4th grade a few times? That's the grade when you start learning about the revolutionary war. Social Studies IIRC is the name of that class. To say that the southern folks sided with the British is stupid.

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactiv it ies/presentations/timeline/amrev/south/

Believing the loyalists were strongest in the South and hoping to enlist the slaves in their cause--an objective that seems incompatible with a focus on Southern loyalists--the British turned their efforts to the South. In fact, the British had some important military successes in the South. They occupied Savannah, Georgia, in late 1778 and Charleston, South Carolina, in May 1779. They also struck a disastrous blow on General Horatio Gates' forces at Camden, South Carolina, in August 1780.

Believing loyalists were strongest in the south does not mean that they sided with the Brits.

You lose. Good day, sir.

No, you lose because all you got was "cuz I said so!".


I asked you for a citation showing me that southern citizens supported the Brits. You instead gave me a link that showed because the Brits THOUGHT loyalist support was best in the south. All that was was a link of Brits and their military strategy. Please give me the citation that I asked for
 
2014-03-08 04:55:02 PM  

Lee451: All y'all yankees are free to go home. We promise not to stop you.

/Yankees are like hemorrhoids; when they come down and go back up they aren't too bad. When they come down and stay down they are a constant source of irritation.


Southerns are like ball sweat- a constant lingering problem down there that probably won't fix itself.
 
2014-03-08 05:00:45 PM  

TotesCrayCray: bidness: Most of these maps just show areas with heavy concentrations of blacks and hispanics.

Let's assume that what you say is true, mr troll and or dumbass. They're still Southerners. They live in the South and are a product of Southern society and environment. Unless you meant to damn those minorities for being a wart on the South. Which is racist. So either that comment was racism, and thus reinforces the stereotypes about the South, or it was to point out how badly the South treats minorities and limits the ability to get out of poverty, and thus reinforces the stereotypes about the South.

Good jorb, mr troll and or dumbass.


bidness has said extremely racist crap in at least three other threads before this one.  As far as I know it's all he ever does: come into a thread, say about the most racist thing one could imagine, and then leave.  Whether or not that constitutes "trolling" would require understand what is going on inside his head, and personally, I'd rather not.
 
2014-03-08 05:11:21 PM  

SquiggsIN: namatad: Not enough poverty to vote the repressors out of power. Not yet.

Republicans and Democrats have something in common.  They've both convinced millions to vote for a party that doesn't represent their best interests by making them afraid of the other side.


If anybody's playing the "Both Sides are Bad So Vote Republican" drinking game, time to drink up!
 
2014-03-08 05:19:14 PM  

ciberido: SquiggsIN: namatad: Not enough poverty to vote the repressors out of power. Not yet.

Republicans and Democrats have something in common.  They've both convinced millions to vote for a party that doesn't represent their best interests by making them afraid of the other side.

If anybody's playing the "Both Sides are Bad So Vote Republican" drinking game, time to drink up!


I was playing the Fark forum drinking game.

Step 1: Open a Fark forum.

Step 2: Drink until you are numb enough to survive the stupid.

Step 3: Read.
 
2014-03-08 05:36:42 PM  

Headso: Mrbogey: Hollie Maea: Saturn5: And yet, the influx of people moving here from the North East and West continues unabated.

Eventually that will lift you guys out of it. But not until there are enough of them to outvote you guys.


If their areas are awesome because of their politics then why don't they just stay there instead of spreading their derp... errr I mean enlightened liberal politics?

it's warmer in the winter...


Cuba is warm and is closer in terms of political thought to these folk.

They need to skip over the south and just move there instead. And hey, free healthcare too!
 
2014-03-08 05:38:38 PM  
Quite a lot of anger in this thread.  I guess the truth really DOES hurt.
 
2014-03-08 05:42:46 PM  

Headso: namatad: TV's Vinnie: And GW Bush was Yale graduate and allegedly a pilot to the F-1-4 Starfighter (a very, very tricky plane to fly).

Are you seriously white knighting W's brains?
ROFL

there's a video online of W debating for governor and the dude was pretty quick in his younger years, alcoholism ftl...


Yup. I have used that video to argue that W has had some kind of brain damage, either before his presidency, during, both or ongoing degeneracy.
That debate video actually shows a pretty intelligent and erudite W during his debate.

Once argument was that the pretzel choking incident cut off oxygen to his brain long enough to cause even more damage.


SquiggsIN: I think he was sarcastically doing the opposite.


DAMMIT!
I hate when I am sick and my sarcasm detector is broken. FFS

You are both correct.
 
2014-03-08 05:45:24 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Excuse me, but the current administration has done anything BUT own any truth in its existence.  6 years in, and the previous administration is the sole cause of all of Obama's mistakes.


LOLWUT?

1) no one has ever claimed that President Obama is perfect or the chosen one. Other than his opponents.
2) it is politically impossible for any candidate to admit publically that they made mistakes and ever get re-elected.
3) Simple proof of Obama owning his own mistakes, he used to try and work with the GOP and after getting screwed OVER and OVER he stopped even pretending to work with them.

so yah
 
2014-03-08 06:02:46 PM  

cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: Did you fail 4th grade a few times? That's the grade when you start learning about the revolutionary war. Social Studies IIRC is the name of that class. To say that the southern folks sided with the British is stupid.

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactiv it ies/presentations/timeline/amrev/south/

Believing the loyalists were strongest in the South and hoping to enlist the slaves in their cause--an objective that seems incompatible with a focus on Southern loyalists--the British turned their efforts to the South. In fact, the British had some important military successes in the South. They occupied Savannah, Georgia, in late 1778 and Charleston, South Carolina, in May 1779. They also struck a disastrous blow on General Horatio Gates' forces at Camden, South Carolina, in August 1780.

Believing loyalists were strongest in the south does not mean that they sided with the Brits.

You lose. Good day, sir.

No, you lose because all you got was "cuz I said so!".

I asked you for a citation showing me that southern citizens supported the Brits. You instead gave me a link that showed because the Brits THOUGHT loyalist support was best in the south. All that was was a link of Brits and their military strategy. Please give me the citation that I asked for


THIS IS WHAT cman ACTUALLY BELIEVES
 
2014-03-08 06:07:33 PM  

TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: Did you fail 4th grade a few times? That's the grade when you start learning about the revolutionary war. Social Studies IIRC is the name of that class. To say that the southern folks sided with the British is stupid.

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactiv it ies/presentations/timeline/amrev/south/

Believing the loyalists were strongest in the South and hoping to enlist the slaves in their cause--an objective that seems incompatible with a focus on Southern loyalists--the British turned their efforts to the South. In fact, the British had some important military successes in the South. They occupied Savannah, Georgia, in late 1778 and Charleston, South Carolina, in May 1779. They also struck a disastrous blow on General Horatio Gates' forces at Camden, South Carolina, in August 1780.

Believing loyalists were strongest in the south does not mean that they sided with the Brits.

You lose. Good day, sir.

No, you lose because all you got was "cuz I said so!".

I asked you for a citation showing me that southern citizens supported the Brits. You instead gave me a link that showed because the Brits THOUGHT loyalist support was best in the south. All that was was a link of Brits and their military strategy. Please give me the citation that I asked for

THIS IS WHAT cman ACTUALLY BELIEVES


Shouting memes doesn't give me a citation
 
2014-03-08 06:14:52 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-08 06:20:21 PM  

cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: Did you fail 4th grade a few times? That's the grade when you start learning about the revolutionary war. Social Studies IIRC is the name of that class. To say that the southern folks sided with the British is stupid.

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactiv it ies/presentations/timeline/amrev/south/

Believing the loyalists were strongest in the South and hoping to enlist the slaves in their cause--an objective that seems incompatible with a focus on Southern loyalists--the British turned their efforts to the South. In fact, the British had some important military successes in the South. They occupied Savannah, Georgia, in late 1778 and Charleston, South Carolina, in May 1779. They also struck a disastrous blow on General Horatio Gates' forces at Camden, South Carolina, in August 1780.

Believing loyalists were strongest in the south does not mean that they sided with the Brits.

You lose. Good day, sir.

No, you lose because all you got was "cuz I said so!".

I asked you for a citation showing me that southern citizens supported the Brits. You instead gave me a link that showed because the Brits THOUGHT loyalist support was best in the south. All that was was a link of Brits and their military strategy. Please give me the citation that I asked for

THIS IS WHAT cman ACTUALLY BELIEVES

Shouting memes doesn't give me a citation


TWOLL HARDAH!!!
 
2014-03-08 06:22:30 PM  

TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: Did you fail 4th grade a few times? That's the grade when you start learning about the revolutionary war. Social Studies IIRC is the name of that class. To say that the southern folks sided with the British is stupid.

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactiv it ies/presentations/timeline/amrev/south/

Believing the loyalists were strongest in the South and hoping to enlist the slaves in their cause--an objective that seems incompatible with a focus on Southern loyalists--the British turned their efforts to the South. In fact, the British had some important military successes in the South. They occupied Savannah, Georgia, in late 1778 and Charleston, South Carolina, in May 1779. They also struck a disastrous blow on General Horatio Gates' forces at Camden, South Carolina, in August 1780.

Believing loyalists were strongest in the south does not mean that they sided with the Brits.

You lose. Good day, sir.

No, you lose because all you got was "cuz I said so!".

I asked you for a citation showing me that southern citizens supported the Brits. You instead gave me a link that showed because the Brits THOUGHT loyalist support was best in the south. All that was was a link of Brits and their military strategy. Please give me the citation that I asked for

THIS IS WHAT cman ACTUALLY BELIEVES

Shouting memes doesn't give me a citation

TWOLL HARDAH!!!


Where is my citation?
 
2014-03-08 06:33:34 PM  
Nine maps that promote Geobigotry.
 
2014-03-08 06:37:01 PM  
the idea that the south was loyalist during the revolution is laughable

the demand for a citation that they weren't loyalist is beyond asinine

perhaps the poster is confusing the revolution with the civil war 80 years later, where europeans were somewhat sympathetic toward the south, but only in the sense that a divided united states made the monroe doctrine moot
 
2014-03-08 06:41:30 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Why is racism so strong there? The wealthy convinced the poor whites that while they were poor, at least they weren't black. And a black person is less than a white person -even if that black person were rich an the white person were poor.


It's the basis for a very old racist joke:

"What do you call a black person with degrees from MIT and Harvard who runs a corporation worth millions of dollars, owns 4 houses, and has a net worth well into the high seven figures?"

"N****R!"
 
2014-03-08 06:43:46 PM  
Good thing we don't have Detroit in the south or we'd be in real trouble.
 
2014-03-08 06:45:22 PM  
Republican territory, coincidence?
 
2014-03-08 06:45:33 PM  

Hollie Maea: StanTheMan: Hollie Maea: StanTheMan: enry: Obviously these states aren't conservative enough.

Right, liberals don't want to enforce the border, and want to increase immigration by like 50% and give amnesty to illegals, and want to throw Sheriff Joe in jail for trying to do something about it, but it's a conservative policy problem that there are a bunch of poor Mexicans in border states.

For the record, libtards, I'm not sure where HuffPo gets its maps, but blue state California has 14% of the country's population, but like 34% of its welfare recipients. And about 34% of the country's illegals. Hmm, there's an interesting correlation...

Alabama is a border state?

Really? That's the best you can do? There's also a lot of poor black people who vote 99% Dumbocrat in the South.

Yeah, and the politicians they elected sure have screwed the region up, huh?

All those democrats politicians elected by southern blacks.


You do realize that almost all poverty programs are set at the federal level, right? The ones we can't even reform slightly or the Dumbocrats screech about how the GOP wants to throw children into the streets?

Libs have subsidized poverty with trillions of dollars since 1965. And how did that "war" work out? Permanent poverty, i.e., Democrat voters. That's the funny part. Libs say Republicans don't care about the poor, but who benefits most from poor people? The DEMOCRAT Party. God forbid we could make all poor people middle class, and you Dems would never win another election. So you'd better throw them just enough scraps to keep voting for you, but never, ever let them get ahead! Perma-Democrat voters!
 
2014-03-08 06:47:05 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: Nine maps that promote Geobigotry.


so you are saying that facts = bigotry?
Or are you saying that the maps are lies?

I would argue that without maps, that without data, that we would have no idea how to fix or address the problems that exist in society.

Unless you are arguing that these difference in our society are completely acceptable as is, which I consider pretty bigoted position to take.

But the again, I am progressive. I think that my taxes should be higher and that those taxes should be used to educate the poor.
 
2014-03-08 06:57:11 PM  
Please oh please just let the south be their own country so we can finally move forward with the evolution of the human race
 
2014-03-08 07:04:23 PM  

StanTheMan: Perma-Democrat voters!


I know you's trollin', but I do have a question: Looking at republican platforms at both the state and national level, and at the actions of their politicians at those levels over the last ten years or so, what exactly do the R's offer to women (especially those of childbearing age), to minorities, to non-Christians, to the LGBT community? Why should anyone who is not a wealthy white protestant straight male vote republican?

You can put your answer in a list of bullet points, no long explanations needed.

/BASBVWHO?
 
2014-03-08 07:05:50 PM  

Birnone: I would have liked to see how a 'religious activity' map might overlay on that. Does a state full of churchgoers, relative to the average state, tend to be southern? You can't fix things if you won't admit there's a problem, and people with strong religious convictions may be open to "...because God said" types of arguments against change.


I would presume that religiosity is also an effect of poverty, not necessarily a cause.  In the hope department, God is the cheapest lottery ticket there is.

SquiggsIN:
R's and D's are 2 sides of the same coin.  Neither one cares about anything beyond getting their coffers refilled, getting reelected to keep getting the coffers filled, blaming the other side, agreeing with the "opposite" party to give more money and control to the legislators.

So vote Republican?

cman: Believing loyalists were strongest in the south does not mean that they sided with the Brits.


Don't know where that conversation is going, but I have this to add:  If they didn't side with the Brits, then they weren't loyalists.   It's kinda the definition of the word.
 
2014-03-08 07:13:57 PM  
And those polls must have been taken somewhere other than the south. Texan by birth, southern by the grace of God!!
 
2014-03-08 07:17:45 PM  

Barbecue Bob: Denver here. Not North or South. Not east at all but not completely west.

The point is that we here can smoke pot legally and most of you cannot.

We win.

Suck it~!


s7.postimg.org
 
2014-03-08 07:20:38 PM  
well, they're right it does suck

now besides stupid biatching on the internet what can be done?
 
2014-03-08 07:34:47 PM  
I'm a yankee, moved to NC 8 years ago. I love it here.

Politics is made of people.

So are economies, religions, companies, and bowling leagues. Even Fark might contain some people.

There's good and right, evil and corrupt, everywhere.

I love it here anyway.
 
2014-03-08 07:44:11 PM  

namatad: 1) no one has ever claimed that President Obama is perfect or the chosen one. Other than his opponents.


Barbara Walters did. And she used the "we" pronoun.

Most didn't speak of him as a messiah but they certainly acted as such. He was to be a transformative figure in their eyes that would bring salvation for the poor (Hope!) and justice for the weak(change!).

namatad: 3) Simple proof of Obama owning his own mistakes, he used to try and work with the GOP and after getting screwed OVER and OVER he stopped even pretending to work with them.


That's the narrative he pushes however there never was any compromise offered except when he thought his policy would lose outright. Even Rep Bowles and Simpson have admitted as such after their commission suggestions were dumped by Obama.

cman: Shouting memes doesn't give me a citation


It's the new way of winning debates.
 
2014-03-08 07:54:33 PM  

wambu: Nobody ever retires and "moves North".


Most people who retire have a significantly decreased income, and need to find a dirt-cheap place to live.  Povertyland is cheaper for rent and groceries.
 
2014-03-08 07:54:46 PM  
It seems like most, if not all of these problems have been linked to poor education. Historically less educated people make less, get pregnant earlier, divorce more often, etc. Fix the education system, deliver well educated college ready applicants, up your literacy rates. C'mon guys, it's time to catch up with the rest of the nation. Looking at you Texas. Where Rick Perry leads, other deep red states will follow.
 
2014-03-08 08:35:26 PM  

Sammichless: Microsoft, Amazon, Paccar (which includes Peterbuilt), REI, Starbucks, Nordstrom, Eddie Bauer, Costco, etc


This is a complete tangent, but I interviewed for a position there last year knowing little about the company outside of its industry, and I was floored by how conservative and outdated the culture is there. I mostly went to the interview for sh*ts and giggles to begin with, but w/in five minutes time I felt I had been sucked into some time warp a good 40 years back.

/works for someone else on that list
//a place where I can show up in sweatpants if I wanted to
 
2014-03-08 09:25:07 PM  

TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: Did you fail 4th grade a few times? That's the grade when you start learning about the revolutionary war. Social Studies IIRC is the name of that class. To say that the southern folks sided with the British is stupid.

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactiv it ies/presentations/timeline/amrev/south/

Believing the loyalists were strongest in the South and hoping to enlist the slaves in their cause--an objective that seems incompatible with a focus on Southern loyalists--the British turned their efforts to the South. In fact, the British had some important military successes in the South. They occupied Savannah, Georgia, in late 1778 and Charleston, South Carolina, in May 1779. They also struck a disastrous blow on General Horatio Gates' forces at Camden, South Carolina, in August 1780.

Believing loyalists were strongest in the south does not mean that they sided with the Brits.

You lose. Good day, sir.

No, you lose because all you got was "cuz I said so!".

I asked you for a citation showing me that southern citizens supported the Brits. You instead gave me a link that showed because the Brits THOUGHT loyalist support was best in the south. All that was was a link of Brits and their military strategy. Please give me the citation that I asked for

THIS IS WHAT cman ACTUALLY BELIEVES

Shouting memes doesn't give me a citation

TWOLL HARDAH!!!


You're right that the South was more sympathetic than the North (though pro-revolutionary ideas weren't the majority in ANY part of the nation until very late in the war).  That said, you're an illiterate moron if you think the passage you posted proves that point.
 
2014-03-08 09:46:42 PM  

flak attack: TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: TV's Vinnie: cman: Did you fail 4th grade a few times? That's the grade when you start learning about the revolutionary war. Social Studies IIRC is the name of that class. To say that the southern folks sided with the British is stupid.

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactiv it ies/presentations/timeline/amrev/south/

Believing the loyalists were strongest in the South and hoping to enlist the slaves in their cause--an objective that seems incompatible with a focus on Southern loyalists--the British turned their efforts to the South. In fact, the British had some important military successes in the South. They occupied Savannah, Georgia, in late 1778 and Charleston, South Carolina, in May 1779. They also struck a disastrous blow on General Horatio Gates' forces at Camden, South Carolina, in August 1780.

Believing loyalists were strongest in the south does not mean that they sided with the Brits.

You lose. Good day, sir.

No, you lose because all you got was "cuz I said so!".

I asked you for a citation showing me that southern citizens supported the Brits. You instead gave me a link that showed because the Brits THOUGHT loyalist support was best in the south. All that was was a link of Brits and their military strategy. Please give me the citation that I asked for

THIS IS WHAT cman ACTUALLY BELIEVES

Shouting memes doesn't give me a citation

TWOLL HARDAH!!!

You're right that the South was more sympathetic than the North (though pro-revolutionary ideas weren't the majority in ANY part of the nation until very late in the war).  That said, you're an illiterate moron if you think the passage you posted proves that point.


Lemma guess.....

Another Suthurnur with a big case o butthurt. Right?
 
2014-03-08 10:12:17 PM  

Huggermugger: wambu: Nobody ever retires and "moves North".

Most people who retire have a significantly decreased income, and need to find a dirt-cheap place to live.  Povertyland is cheaper for rent and groceries.


And with nicer neighbors.
 
2014-03-08 10:23:47 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Well, at least it didn't take long for the stormfront crowd to make an appearance in this thread....


You noticed that, too...
 
2014-03-08 11:27:24 PM  

InflamedGonads: [i860.photobucket.com image 800x525]


Fascinating. Perhaps you would like to share your data with us. How do you quantify "insecurity?" Do you measure by car weight? What are your sample sizes?
 
2014-03-08 11:29:36 PM  

iron de havilland: Lee451: All y'all yankees are free to go home. We promise not to stop you.

/Yankees are like hemorrhoids; when they come down and go back up they aren't too bad. When they come down and stay down they are a constant source of irritation.

So, the South is like a gigantic arse?


Everything between LA and Miami is called the taint because it taint Left Coast and it taint Right Coast.
 
2014-03-08 11:34:19 PM  
When General Sherman saw his campaign map he said the famous worlds:  "Either I am too damned drunk to read this map or else the font is too small. Let's just cut straight to to the sea."

True story, bro.
 
2014-03-08 11:40:05 PM  

DubyaHater: Yes, the south sucks so bad, I hear northern accents everywhere I go in Virginia and North Carolina. It must be so horrible here that New Yorkers and their like move here in droves. When I lived in NC, most of my co-workers were from up north.
/Try harder Huff Post


You know what Mark Twain said: "Hell for the company, Heaven for the climate." But enough tourist advice. Remember what General Sherman said:  "If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell."

If he felt that way about Texas, imagine how he would feel about West Virginia today. West Virginia is a dagger pointed at the tender underbelly of Pennsylvania.
 
2014-03-08 11:49:44 PM  

Hilary T. N. Seuss: Judging from the maps overall, it seems that Virginia isn't part of the South, or at least not anymore.

/also, Michigan is fat


I was through Virginia once. It's a suburb of Washington as far as Richmond. The South gets Southern a bit further South., i.e., North Carolina. On the other hand, a considerable chunk of the North is pretty damn Southern. The Ohio River did not keep the Southerners out of Ohio. Maps can be quite confusing.

Did you know that bits of Canada are South of Detroit?
 
2014-03-08 11:55:47 PM  

macadamnut: Phinn: County-by-county provides more useful information.

So what is "American" ancestry on that map?


Merkins.

That map really shows the source of the problem: unlike the rest of America, it is full of Americans, white and African.
 
2014-03-09 12:11:34 AM  

bidness: Most of these maps just show areas with heavy concentrations of blacks and hispanics.


I can't imagine how blacks and hispanics are responsible for refusing federal dollars for health care, education and such. Are they complete Masochistic tards?
 
2014-03-09 12:41:08 AM  
imagizer.imageshack.us
 
2014-03-09 12:54:57 AM  
Demographics.......
 
2014-03-09 01:25:14 AM  
immigrants, immigrants, immigrants, immigrants, immigrants..immigrants, blacks, immigrants, immigrants,

Why don't you show those maps again while only taking into account real Americans?  You know, us white peoples.
 
2014-03-09 01:47:22 AM  

Killer Cars: Sammichless: Microsoft, Amazon, Paccar (which includes Peterbuilt), REI, Starbucks, Nordstrom, Eddie Bauer, Costco, etc

This is a complete tangent, but I interviewed for a position there last year knowing little about the company outside of its industry, and I was floored by how conservative and outdated the culture is there. I mostly went to the interview for sh*ts and giggles to begin with, but w/in five minutes time I felt I had been sucked into some time warp a good 40 years back.

/works for someone else on that list
//a place where I can show up in sweatpants if I wanted to


Costco let's their baggers wear sweats?

/sorry
 
2014-03-09 01:48:56 AM  
Perhaps it's a regional, economical, historical, cultural thingy.

But notice how often the colors match with non-regional, non-economical, non-historical, non-cultural buddies like Arizona, Utah, and Wyoming.
 
2014-03-09 01:50:06 AM  
Hollie Maea:

Costco let's lets their baggers wear sweats?

Fark you, Apple.  You don't know grammar as well as I do, so quit changing what I write.
 
2014-03-09 01:59:13 AM  
Data is inherently racist.
 
2014-03-09 04:41:41 AM  

rewind2846: StanTheMan: Perma-Democrat voters!

I know you's trollin', but I do have a question: Looking at republican platforms at both the state and national level, and at the actions of their politicians at those levels over the last ten years or so, what exactly do the R's offer to women (especially those of childbearing age), to minorities, to non-Christians, to the LGBT community? Why should anyone who is not a wealthy white protestant straight male vote republican?


Republicans offer liberty to control your own life. Democrats offer slavery for a government check.

Any more questions, fuknuts?
 
2014-03-09 05:01:11 AM  

StanTheMan: rewind2846: StanTheMan: Perma-Democrat voters!

I know you's trollin', but I do have a question: Looking at republican platforms at both the state and national level, and at the actions of their politicians at those levels over the last ten years or so, what exactly do the R's offer to women (especially those of childbearing age), to minorities, to non-Christians, to the LGBT community? Why should anyone who is not a wealthy white protestant straight male vote republican?

Republicans offer liberty to control your own life. Democrats offer slavery for a government check.

Any more questions, fuknuts?


But, why do the Republican areas of the country take all the Government checks?

You seem to be confused.
 
2014-03-09 08:31:05 AM  
Reasons why the south sucks

1) Inbreeding
2) George Zimmerman
3) They piss their pants at the sight of 1cm of snow.

Fark them, let them secede.  I'll throw a party when that happens.  Any non-idiotic southerner is free to come up north.
 
2014-03-09 09:34:01 AM  

Fark You Buddy: Reasons why the south sucks

1) Inbreeding
2) George Zimmerman
3) They piss their pants at the sight of 1cm of snow.

Fark them, let them secede.  I'll throw a party when that happens.  Any non-idiotic southerner is free to come up north.


I appreciate the "let them secede" position. It should be a universal principle -- self-determination and all that.

But you should understand that, if secession were ever to become a realistic proposition, your liberal position on the secession question will be crushed like an insect. The control freaks in your party will tolerate no such dissent. They'll move in militarily at the drop of a hat, label you a traitor, and put a bullet in your head if you actually try to implement your beliefs.

But it's nice that you say you'd allow secession just the same, here at a time when it costs you nothing to say it.
 
2014-03-09 09:53:55 AM  

OneDayWhat: It seems like most, if not all of these problems have been linked to poor education. Historically less educated people make less, get pregnant earlier, divorce more often, etc. Fix the education system, deliver well educated college ready applicants, up your literacy rates. C'mon guys, it's time to catch up with the rest of the nation. Looking at you Texas. Where Rick Perry leads, other deep red states will follow.


Correlation is not causation. More school funding is not "better education" and it's not ipso facto a better life.

The only thing that pulls people out of poverty is universal protection of property rights, freedom of movement, market freedom.

There are some areas of a modern economy where a long education is helpful, and many where it's not. For a lot of people, extending one's schooling past a certain point is just delaying the start of a career.
 
2014-03-09 10:02:05 AM  
So we're conflating the Southwest and Appalachia with the South now?

Despite many similarities, they are very distinct regions, both culturally and socioeconomically.
 
2014-03-09 10:03:52 AM  

StanTheMan: Republicans offer liberty to control your own life. Democrats offer slavery for a government check.


The funny thing is you actually believe that.   Look at what your party actually DOES versus what they SAY and get back to us.
 
2014-03-09 10:29:40 AM  
Still beats living among damn Yankees.
 
2014-03-09 01:22:29 PM  

Trance354: Hmm, seem to recall a bunch of stories linked from fark that painted a, "it's not so bad here" view of the South. Growing infrastructure, better or improving schools, and growing businesses. Add to that the population seems to be more women than men ... Exactly the opposite of Colorado, and women here know it.


"Point #1: when I was [11], I was reading and writing at a college level. Senior in college. With an English major, no less." - Trance354, 19 Feb 2014 05:17 AM.
 
2014-03-09 02:17:07 PM  

Abox: What's a 'makeup statistic' and how do you suck one.


came here to ask this.

i love it when these knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers try to be clever.
 
2014-03-09 03:09:06 PM  

StanTheMan: rewind2846: StanTheMan: Perma-Democrat voters!

I know you's trollin', but I do have a question: Looking at republican platforms at both the state and national level, and at the actions of their politicians at those levels over the last ten years or so, what exactly do the R's offer to women (especially those of childbearing age), to minorities, to non-Christians, to the LGBT community? Why should anyone who is not a wealthy white protestant straight male vote republican?

Republicans offer liberty to control your own life. Democrats offer slavery for a government check.

Any more questions, fuknuts?


Yes, you severely retarded asswipe... how does conservative FoxNoise nutsack taste?

/been controlling my own life for half a century
//been voting democrat for 30+ of those years
///the R's ain't got nothing for me
 
2014-03-09 04:24:46 PM  
Wow I am like soo shocked that the HuffPost is doing a hit piece on Southerners.
 
2014-03-09 04:26:19 PM  

Mouser: Still beats living among damn Yankees.


\This
 
2014-03-09 06:08:57 PM  

StanTheMan: rewind2846: StanTheMan: Perma-Democrat voters!

I know you's trollin', but I do have a question: Looking at republican platforms at both the state and national level, and at the actions of their politicians at those levels over the last ten years or so, what exactly do the R's offer to women (especially those of childbearing age), to minorities, to non-Christians, to the LGBT community? Why should anyone who is not a wealthy white protestant straight male vote republican?

Republicans offer liberty to control your own life. Democrats offer slavery for a government check.

Any more questions, fuknuts?


If I and my coworkers want to have any weight to negotiate what our jobs are worth, how do Republicans offer us the liberty to organize together to protect the individual by standing firmly together as a union?  Why should being a public teacher, DPW worker, DOC guard, etc require us to waive that control of our lives?

If I want to be able to enjoy this life of mine that I control, how do Republicans offer the liberty to not have to spend all my money on vehicle maintenance (and fuel) to just to and from work on roads laden with potholes and ice because the GOP controlled municipal governments under-fund plowing and salting in the winter, and refuse to invest in proper repaving during the summer.  I shouldn't be forced to own an off-road vehicle just to drive on city streets and highways.

If I want to be able to enjoy this life of mine that I control, how do Republicans offer any oversight or requirement of accountability that the air I breathe, the water I drink, or the food I eat won't make me sick?  All our utilities are privatized, power, water, sewage... how do Republicans offer liberty from being a slave to the rate hikes?  They actually tripled the cost of just being connected to water and sewer while making usage rates cheaper.  So conserving a couple gallons of water a month is saving only a cents, and I'm paying for large companies and buildings' massive water consumption.
 
2014-03-09 06:53:07 PM  

Semantic Warrior: If I and my coworkers want to have any weight to negotiate what our jobs are worth, how do Republicans offer us the liberty to organize together to protect the individual by standing firmly together as a union?


Go right ahead. The problem occurs when you try to legislate a way to lock out people who aren't in your little club, and prevent them from offering their services to an employer.

Semantic Warrior: roads laden with potholes and ice because the GOP controlled municipal governments under-fund plowing and salting in the winter


Which municipal governments in the frozen North are controlled by Republicans?  New York? Boston? Chicago? Detroit?

Semantic Warrior: All our utilities are privatized


No, they're not.
 
2014-03-09 07:39:06 PM  

TV's Vinnie: They also struck a disastrous blow on General Horatio Gates' forces at Camden, South Carolina, in August 1780.


I'm not sure I'd call it a disaster.  A setback, sure, but I'll be back better than ever.
 
2014-03-09 08:01:28 PM  

Semantic Warrior: If I and my coworkers want to have any weight to negotiate what our jobs are worth, how do Republicans offer us the liberty to organize together to protect the individual by standing firmly together as a union? Why should being a public teacher, DPW worker, DOC guard, etc require us to waive that control of our lives?


Local trade unions that historically formed to worry about safety and skill qualifications and so forth aren't needed with OSHA and EPA and the Department of Labor. So the only thing that unions actually do to justify existence is organise strikes and threats of strikes in relation to wages. It's a protection racket. It's about extortion. It's about having enough power to extract money.


Just as you think you have a holy vocation to cripple a company by impeding economic activity, so does the company have the same obligation to prevent a union from becoming a threat to itself.


Why do union agitators fail to grasp this simple concept? You accomplish goals by using threats and imposed hardships. That's how you farking operate.


You might do a bit better recruiting in the new southern plants if you didn't still have that belligerent tone like it's 1962. But you can't break old habits. The amusing part is where the southern workers have been pumped full of anti-union propaganda, and damned if folks like you don't prove it all to be actually true.
 
2014-03-09 08:21:15 PM  

HoratioGates: TV's Vinnie: They also struck a disastrous blow on General Horatio Gates' forces at Camden, South Carolina, in August 1780.

I'm not sure I'd call it a disaster.  A setback, sure, but I'll be back better than ever.


It's just a  flesh wound.

www.scara-mouche.com
 
2014-03-09 11:23:25 PM  

Have already read about this in moderate depth:

www.cdsporch.org

(author site)

 
2014-03-09 11:24:42 PM  
Try that again.

(author site)
 
2014-03-09 11:53:10 PM  

letrole: You accomplish goals by using threats and imposed hardships. That's how you farking operate.


Which is something employers have done and have been doing forever, and why unions exist.
You obviously want employers to have all the power as they did in the last guided age, so enjoy swinging from that corporate zipper.
 
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