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2014-03-08 08:50:15 PM  

Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.


Bullshiat. You whole deal is to lock up as many people as possible to justify your job.
 
2014-03-08 08:57:11 PM  

Propain_az: Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.

Bullshiat. You whole deal is to lock up as many people as possible to justify your job.


*flashlight in your face* Do you know why I stopped you? I clocked you at 61 in a 55. You been drinking? I can smell it on your breath, sir. Step out of the car. I said STEP OUT OF THE CAR! *tases your ass*
 
2014-03-08 09:00:26 PM  

phalamir: johnny_vegas: fusillade762: Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.

Read TFA. This has nothing to do with LEOs and everything to do with a private contractor putting the squeeze on motorists.

i think the private contractor thing is bullshiat, but how are they putting the squeeze on anybody?  the motorist was more than 10 percent over the speed limit.  they just didn't want to tell the judge at what speed (over the limit) the ticket kicks in

Then they just didn't want to win the case.  When the judge asks you a question, you give him the answer.   If he wants to know the circumference of your dog's cock, you tell him.  Telling a judge to fark off, no matter how politely you may phrase that, is basically demanding that the judge tell you to fark off - and he holds all the power.


You, sir, are awesome.
 
2014-03-08 09:05:53 PM  
Will likely die in traffic accident before other judges get strange ideas.
 
2014-03-08 09:16:59 PM  

smells_like_meat: This is actually a true and accurate answer. A more informative answer may have been "All that I've seen say 'Stop'"


Spin Tires On Pavement?
 
2014-03-08 09:36:22 PM  

nytmare: For-profit law enforcement. You know, to benefit the people.


And to purchase those M-RAPs and sweet, sweet SWAT gear.

/For the people!
 
2014-03-08 09:52:33 PM  
Judge Durcan said: "Tell me, Mr Quinn, at what level of excess of the speed limit do you commence prosecution?"
In response, Mr Quinn said: "I am not supposed to disclose that, your honour." In reply, Judge Durcan said: "Sorry, you are in court and you are on oath and if that is your attitude I am striking out the prosecution."


You can tell this wasn't in the US. If it was here, the judge would have said "In that case, enjoy your stay in the county lockup for contempt of court. You will stay there until you feel like answering the question." In many jurisdictions, a judge can hold you in contempt indefinitely, though I'm guessing Mr. Privatized-Tickets would decide one night in jail was enough.

Oh, and for those speeding, STOP IT!
 
2014-03-08 09:56:10 PM  

phalamir: Then they just didn't want to win the case. When the judge asks you a question, you give him the answer. If he wants to know the circumference of your dog's cock, you tell him. Telling a judge to fark off, no matter how politely you may phrase that, is basically demanding that the judge tell you to fark off - and he holds all the power.


I have worked for judges for the last 2 years. Even when you are not standing in front of a judge when they're on the bench, you respect them and their office. I've met some great judges and most of them are really good people but I learned very, very quickly that you don't lie to them and you don't make them mad.
 
2014-03-08 10:00:03 PM  
I'm pretty sure speed limits are just suggestions
 
2014-03-08 10:03:48 PM  

Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.


My word, you're either a rookie or extremely slow. When a judge asks you a question in open court, you really only have three choices: answer it, not answer due to allowable circumstances (e.g., self incrimination), or prepare to get reamed. Telling the judge "I don't wanna answer" isn't an option. The courts work the way they do for a reason, you know. And BTW, in Ireland, judges aren't elected buffoons like you may find in your part of the world; they are educated and experienced litigators who know their way around the legal system.
 
2014-03-08 10:18:41 PM  

sheep snorter: FTA: Judge Durcan said: "Tell me, Mr Quinn, at what level of excess of the speed limit do you commence prosecution?"

In response, Mr Quinn said: "I am not supposed to disclose that, your honor."

The Judge then asked how many hours or days Mr Quinn would like to spend in jail, until he could tell the Judge at what point over the speed limit is a ticket issued.....


And the Judge would get a few discreet calls from donors that they are unable to fund his next election.
 
2014-03-08 10:27:13 PM  
Sitting in a cop car pulling teenagers over for having the audacity of being between the age of 16 and 19 is not putting your life on the line.


Try standing in the middle of a crowd of over 100 violent felons who hate you and would love to stick a shiv in you. Now imagine that it is only you in this group. Help is only 30 seconds away, if anyone notices or if you can hit the orange button in time.

You volunteered for this same as I did. Both of us knew what we were getting into. Save the hero stories for the drunk girls at the bar.
 
2014-03-08 11:25:26 PM  

phalamir: johnny_vegas: fusillade762: Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.

Read TFA. This has nothing to do with LEOs and everything to do with a private contractor putting the squeeze on motorists.

i think the private contractor thing is bullshiat, but how are they putting the squeeze on anybody?  the motorist was more than 10 percent over the speed limit.  they just didn't want to tell the judge at what speed (over the limit) the ticket kicks in

Then they just didn't want to win the case.  When the judge asks you a question, you give him the answer.  If he wants to know the circumference of your dog's cock, you tell him.  Telling a judge to fark off, no matter how politely you may phrase that, is basically demanding that the judge tell you to fark off - and he holds all the power.


At the very least you do everything in your power to avoid giving the judge a flat-out "no".  Saying, "your honor (or however one addresses Irish judges) for the purposes of preserving public safety I would prefer to relate that information to you privately," would be a start.  I mean I get it: telling people what the official "we don't care below this" speed limit is would be kind of counterproductive if the concern really is safety, but you NEVER refuse a request for information from a judge unless you're ready to have them throw the book at you.
 
2014-03-08 11:29:32 PM  
If you want me to obey speed limits, make speed limits sensible.  A lot of the time, the limits seem like they were pulled from a hat by a person who had never looked at the road in question.  As an example, on the route I used to go to work, there was a good portion of highway travel.  The first highway was a divided highway, no residential driveways, completely flat and straight with great visibility.  The second highway was not divided, had (a few) residential driveways, and had a blind S-curve and several hills.

The first highway is 35 mph.  The second is 55.  People who actually go 35 mph on that first highway (thankfully, there aren't that many who do) actually cause a lot of traffic problems on intersecting roads by backing things up.

I basically always try to drive at a safe speed.  I factor in road conditions, visibility, traffic, the average speed of other cars on the road, etc.  Sometimes that means I drive below the speed limit, often above.  When people take creating speed limits seriously, I'll take obeying speed limits seriously.
 
2014-03-08 11:32:00 PM  
When examined closely opportunist traffic fund-filling 3rd party run gotcha scams are bad for justice.  Who knew?

Everybody.
 
2014-03-09 12:00:23 AM  

Sum Dum Gai: A lot of the time, the limits seem like they were pulled from a hat by a person who had never looked at the road in question.


That's because they are. The standard is the 85th percentile, but some roads are set artificially low by local ordinance, often "for the children", but sometimes because they know nobody will obey it so they can get that yummy, filthy lucre from ticket revenue. So if it feels slow, that's because it is. A prime example where I live is on Interstate 81. From the first Carlisle exit to the last one the speed has been reduced to 55 with double fines, a "safety corridor" that was created due to some high-profile accidents a few years back. The accidents were caused by people not paying attention, and the actual speeds haven't come down one iota, but the fines have certainly gone up. Rare is the day when the fuzz doesn't have someone pulled over as I go by at 10 over and get passed while I'm doing it.
 
2014-03-09 12:22:54 AM  

tgambitg: tgambitg: namatad: Roman Fyseek: That's nothing.  In D.C. we have traffic enforcement who don't know if stop signs say 'stop'.

ABC7's Kris Van Cleave then asked Babers, "Do all stop signs say stop?"

"I don't know; I haven't looked at all stop signs," Babers responded.

http://www.wtop.com/109/3575923/DC-officials-admit-problems-with-tic ke t-writers-hearing-examiners

In theory, the red octagon is the stop sign, not the sign with the word stop on it.
Worse, we dont have federal driving regulations, laws and signs?
Sure, the 50 states are pretty uniform by now, but why isnt there a federal set of rules of the road?
Quick, which states are right turn on red legal? Left turn on red, from a one-way, onto a one-way?
Radar detectors are legal in which states? What about driving on the left? Speed limits?

bah
we live in a retarded country

For any traffic control devices, there is a federal standard...

Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD)

It theoretically makes it so all signs nationwide are recognizable as to what they do.

Oh, and according to the MUTCD, if the stop sign doesn't say STOP, it's not a legal stop sign.


Yep.  If it doesn't say STOP, it's not a stop sign.  If it isn't a red octagon, it's not a stop sign.  Both things MUST be there, or you can legally ignore it.

But just because both things are there doesn't mean it's a legal stop sign either.  The entity placing the stop sign MUST have the legal authority to place an enforceable stop sign.  That means stop signs in private parking lots are merely suggestions.
 
2014-03-09 12:29:13 AM  

phalamir: johnny_vegas: fusillade762: Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.

Read TFA. This has nothing to do with LEOs and everything to do with a private contractor putting the squeeze on motorists.

i think the private contractor thing is bullshiat, but how are they putting the squeeze on anybody?  the motorist was more than 10 percent over the speed limit.  they just didn't want to tell the judge at what speed (over the limit) the ticket kicks in

Then they just didn't want to win the case.  When the judge asks you a question, you give him the answer.  If he wants to know the circumference of your dog's cock, you tell him.  Telling a judge to fark off, no matter how politely you may phrase that, is basically demanding that the judge tell you to fark off - and he holds all the power.


"I refuse to answer on the grounds that the answer might tend to incriminate me."

Yeah, sometimes you DO tell the judge to very politely fark off.
 
2014-03-09 12:41:07 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Sum Dum Gai: A lot of the time, the limits seem like they were pulled from a hat by a person who had never looked at the road in question.

That's because they are. The standard is the 85th percentile, but some roads are set artificially low by local ordinance, often "for the children", but sometimes because they know nobody will obey it so they can get that yummy, filthy lucre from ticket revenue. So if it feels slow, that's because it is. A prime example where I live is on Interstate 81. From the first Carlisle exit to the last one the speed has been reduced to 55 with double fines, a "safety corridor" that was created due to some high-profile accidents a few years back. The accidents were caused by people not paying attention, and the actual speeds haven't come down one iota, but the fines have certainly gone up. Rare is the day when the fuzz doesn't have someone pulled over as I go by at 10 over and get passed while I'm doing it.


Street that intersects mine is like that. We have stupid low speed limits here anyhow, but this one is 5mph lower than normal. I can't see any reason, there is nothing different or more dangerous about it. The cops know about it though, I see them around ALL the time. Not because it is a dangerous street, it isn't, there are very few accidents around here, but because they know most people don't pay attention and they can slurp up extra ticket revenue. Lately they've realized that there are just too many people to effectively ticket, even with multiple motorcycle cops so they just park a photo van.
 
2014-03-09 01:39:04 AM  

DarkVader: phalamir: johnny_vegas: fusillade762: Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.

Read TFA. This has nothing to do with LEOs and everything to do with a private contractor putting the squeeze on motorists.

i think the private contractor thing is bullshiat, but how are they putting the squeeze on anybody?  the motorist was more than 10 percent over the speed limit.  they just didn't want to tell the judge at what speed (over the limit) the ticket kicks in

Then they just didn't want to win the case.  When the judge asks you a question, you give him the answer.  If he wants to know the circumference of your dog's cock, you tell him.  Telling a judge to fark off, no matter how politely you may phrase that, is basically demanding that the judge tell you to fark off - and he holds all the power.

"I refuse to answer on the grounds that the answer might tend to incriminate me."

Yeah, sometimes you DO tell the judge to very politely fark off.


That's not the same thing. That's invoking a fundamental right that you have, and which is in itself an answer to the question. Oh, and which you can only use if the response to the question asked (the first question asked) would in fact incriminate you. If the judge asks you, "What is your name?" and you take the 5th, be prepared for a lot of incredibly dirty looks.
 
2014-03-09 03:31:14 AM  

whither_apophis: rczeien: Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.

I'm a Taurus, and I think evidence is required to fine somebody.

I'm a Gemini so I can expect the unexpected.


*SHHHHKT*

*dies*

/this post was shown in Feel-Around
 
2014-03-09 05:16:36 AM  

johnny_vegas: fusillade762: Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.

Read TFA. This has nothing to do with LEOs and everything to do with a private contractor putting the squeeze on motorists.

i think the private contractor thing is bullshiat, but how are they putting the squeeze on anybody?  the motorist was more than 10 percent over the speed limit.  they just didn't want to tell the judge at what speed (over the limit) the ticket kicks in


10%, meh. My spedometer is 7.5% off from 30 to 75 mph (the range that will matter for most tickets). It happens to read 7.5% higher than reality so it wouldn't result in a ticket but that doesn't mean that someone else doesn't have one that reads 7.5% low. Apparantly spedometers are universally pretty bad since the car magazines stopped using them for any speed comparisons as soon as gps units became cheap enough that people noticed the difference (about 20 years ago).
 
2014-03-09 06:11:35 AM  
The enforcement threshold is a private policy that does not concern the Judge. Was the defendant travelling 1 or 9 kph over the limit? Yes, guilty - take account amount of speed in the penalty that you're paid to issue.

One LEO's policy on thresholds might be different from another's and might differ according to location and time of day.

This is in Eire, part of Europe - not Alabama.
 
2014-03-09 06:37:31 AM  
And still no word on whether they've caught Prawo Jazdy yet.
 
2014-03-09 08:29:19 AM  

lunkhed: The enforcement threshold is a private policy that does not concern the Judge. Was the defendant travelling 1 or 9 kph over the limit? Yes, guilty - take account amount of speed in the penalty that you're paid to issue.

One LEO's policy on thresholds might be different from another's and might differ according to location and time of day.

This is in Eire, part of Europe - not Alabama.


It did seem like an odd question to me as well, but refusing to answer the question is a little bit of a bad idea.  He would've done better if he showed up in a proper suit and pronounced 'yutes' right.

9kph over sounds like a tight guideline to bust someone for, that would be like getting a ticket for 4 over here.
 
2014-03-09 09:20:50 AM  

Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.


img.fark.net
The Supreme Court of the United States would like to have a word with you on the professionalism of police behavior.
 
2014-03-09 10:53:28 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line shake people down for revenue at the behest of your superiors every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty actually using his judgment to see the hustle for what it is. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.

FTFY. You have a long, arduous road to walk before you'll ever convince us that traffic enforcement isn't a fundraiser under the guise of public safety. Too much documented corruption, traffic trap towns, and personal experience has gone over the dam for us to believe otherwise.

You do have a tough job at times. Shaking down motorists isn't one of those times.

Of course, since this is about red light cameras it doesn't even involve the fuzz at all, so in truth I have no idea what your biatch is.


Annnnd... you took the bait.  At least I'm assuming that was a troll.  I'd give it about a 4/10 really.
 
2014-03-09 12:47:09 PM  

lack of warmth: lunkhed: The enforcement threshold is a private policy that does not concern the Judge. Was the defendant travelling 1 or 9 kph over the limit? Yes, guilty - take account amount of speed in the penalty that you're paid to issue.

One LEO's policy on thresholds might be different from another's and might differ according to location and time of day.

This is in Eire, part of Europe - not Alabama.

It did seem like an odd question to me as well, but refusing to answer the question is a little bit of a bad idea.  He would've done better if he showed up in a proper suit and pronounced 'yutes' right.

9kph over sounds like a tight guideline to bust someone for, that would be like getting a ticket for 4 over here.


The answer he should of given is "We have guidlines but each case is looked at on its own merits from the place of offense, time of day and amount over". That might of gotten the judge off his back.

But this is 5.5MPH over the limit. Thats a bit much for a 60 or 70MPH limit at a quite time of day but on a 20MPH road outside a school during school time it could be justified.
 
2014-03-09 01:54:35 PM  
What language was TFA written in? It wasn't English.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-09 02:56:45 PM  

robodog: johnny_vegas: fusillade762: Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.

Read TFA. This has nothing to do with LEOs and everything to do with a private contractor putting the squeeze on motorists.

i think the private contractor thing is bullshiat, but how are they putting the squeeze on anybody?  the motorist was more than 10 percent over the speed limit.  they just didn't want to tell the judge at what speed (over the limit) the ticket kicks in

10%, meh. My spedometer is 7.5% off from 30 to 75 mph (the range that will matter for most tickets). It happens to read 7.5% higher than reality so it wouldn't result in a ticket but that doesn't mean that someone else doesn't have one that reads 7.5% low. Apparantly spedometers are universally pretty bad since the car magazines stopped using them for any speed comparisons as soon as gps units became cheap enough that people noticed the difference (about 20 years ago).


All my cars since I began using GPS have lined up almost perfectly with my gps reading.

Guess I'm just lucky.
 
2014-03-09 02:59:48 PM  

Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.


Guess what? You sound like EXACTLY the reason people despise police :)
 
2014-03-09 07:46:41 PM  

phalamir: johnny_vegas: fusillade762: Mark Ratner: As a LEO, judges like this piss me off. I put my life on the line every day, and this asshole sits behind a desk in a comfy robe, acting all high and mighty. I'm here for your safety too, jackass judge.

Read TFA. This has nothing to do with LEOs and everything to do with a private contractor putting the squeeze on motorists.

i think the private contractor thing is bullshiat, but how are they putting the squeeze on anybody?  the motorist was more than 10 percent over the speed limit.  they just didn't want to tell the judge at what speed (over the limit) the ticket kicks in

Then they just didn't want to win the case.  When the judge asks you a question, you give him the answer.  If he wants to know the circumference of your dog's cock, you tell him.  Telling a judge to fark off, no matter how politely you may phrase that, is basically demanding that the judge tell you to fark off - and he holds all the power.


Hey, hey Judge Wapner, easy!!  the point of the posts you interjected into was about the contractors putting the squeeze on motorists not about what to say or not say to a judge.  Don't get your robe into a bunch!  i think there is a judge in arkansas who like whores or sluts or something, he may need a white knight.

/why do you care so much about dog cawk?  that is very strange behavior
 
2014-03-09 10:37:44 PM  

namatad: Roman Fyseek: That's nothing.  In D.C. we have traffic enforcement who don't know if stop signs say 'stop'.

ABC7's Kris Van Cleave then asked Babers, "Do all stop signs say stop?"

"I don't know; I haven't looked at all stop signs," Babers responded.

http://www.wtop.com/109/3575923/DC-officials-admit-problems-with-tic ke t-writers-hearing-examiners

In theory, the red octagon is the stop sign, not the sign with the word stop on it.
Worse, we dont have federal driving regulations, laws and signs?
Sure, the 50 states are pretty uniform by now, but why isnt there a federal set of rules of the road?
Quick, which states are right turn on red legal? Left turn on red, from a one-way, onto a one-way?
Radar detectors are legal in which states? What about driving on the left? Speed limits?

bah
we live in a retarded country


We are the United States of America, not the State of America. It's supposed to be 50 different sets of rules, that's the farking point. California can try their shiat, Texas can try their shiat, and New Mexico can emulate which ever one does better.
 
2014-03-09 11:38:32 PM  

That Guy Jeff: namatad: Roman Fyseek: That's nothing.  In D.C. we have traffic enforcement who don't know if stop signs say 'stop'.

ABC7's Kris Van Cleave then asked Babers, "Do all stop signs say stop?"

"I don't know; I haven't looked at all stop signs," Babers responded.

http://www.wtop.com/109/3575923/DC-officials-admit-problems-with-tic ke t-writers-hearing-examiners

In theory, the red octagon is the stop sign, not the sign with the word stop on it.
Worse, we dont have federal driving regulations, laws and signs?
Sure, the 50 states are pretty uniform by now, but why isnt there a federal set of rules of the road?
Quick, which states are right turn on red legal? Left turn on red, from a one-way, onto a one-way?
Radar detectors are legal in which states? What about driving on the left? Speed limits?

bah
we live in a retarded country

We are the United States of America, not the State of America. It's supposed to be 50 different sets of rules, that's the farking point. California can try their shiat, Texas can try their shiat, and New Mexico can emulate which ever one does better.


Yeah, because that has worked so well...
 
2014-03-09 11:55:06 PM  

LoneWolf343: That Guy Jeff: namatad: Roman Fyseek: That's nothing.  In D.C. we have traffic enforcement who don't know if stop signs say 'stop'.

ABC7's Kris Van Cleave then asked Babers, "Do all stop signs say stop?"

"I don't know; I haven't looked at all stop signs," Babers responded.

http://www.wtop.com/109/3575923/DC-officials-admit-problems-with-tic ke t-writers-hearing-examiners

In theory, the red octagon is the stop sign, not the sign with the word stop on it.
Worse, we dont have federal driving regulations, laws and signs?
Sure, the 50 states are pretty uniform by now, but why isnt there a federal set of rules of the road?
Quick, which states are right turn on red legal? Left turn on red, from a one-way, onto a one-way?
Radar detectors are legal in which states? What about driving on the left? Speed limits?

bah
we live in a retarded country

We are the United States of America, not the State of America. It's supposed to be 50 different sets of rules, that's the farking point. California can try their shiat, Texas can try their shiat, and New Mexico can emulate which ever one does better.

Yeah, because that has worked so well...


Yes, it really has. Even Europe is trying to emulate the "bunch of different states banded together in some common governance" thing now. It worked really, really well.
 
2014-03-10 12:00:52 AM  

That Guy Jeff: LoneWolf343: That Guy Jeff: namatad: Roman Fyseek: That's nothing.  In D.C. we have traffic enforcement who don't know if stop signs say 'stop'.

ABC7's Kris Van Cleave then asked Babers, "Do all stop signs say stop?"

"I don't know; I haven't looked at all stop signs," Babers responded.

http://www.wtop.com/109/3575923/DC-officials-admit-problems-with-tic ke t-writers-hearing-examiners

In theory, the red octagon is the stop sign, not the sign with the word stop on it.
Worse, we dont have federal driving regulations, laws and signs?
Sure, the 50 states are pretty uniform by now, but why isnt there a federal set of rules of the road?
Quick, which states are right turn on red legal? Left turn on red, from a one-way, onto a one-way?
Radar detectors are legal in which states? What about driving on the left? Speed limits?

bah
we live in a retarded country

We are the United States of America, not the State of America. It's supposed to be 50 different sets of rules, that's the farking point. California can try their shiat, Texas can try their shiat, and New Mexico can emulate which ever one does better.

Yeah, because that has worked so well...

Yes, it really has. Even Europe is trying to emulate the "bunch of different states banded together in some common governance" thing now. It worked really, really well.


I...uh...I...you know, I can feel my braincells going full Jonestown trying to unravel the logic behind this post, so I'm going going to let it go.
 
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