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2014-03-08 08:40:27 AM  

That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.

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Your right, they both involve fantasy.
 
2014-03-08 08:41:31 AM  

Close2TheEdge: So does this qualify as anti-Semitic?



I don't know. Wouldn't surprise me if it rubbed someone the wrong way.

upload.wikimedia.org

Look, acting is about pretending to be something you aren't, and personally I don't have a problem with an actor playing a character of another race, religion, gender, sexuality, whatthefarkever. (And wearing whatever makeup, prosthetics, etc is useful in conveying that.) But you and your makeup people are running a heightened risk of playing to stereotypes and caricatures rather than individual character, and I won't really blame people for calling you on it.
 
2014-03-08 08:41:41 AM  

jso2897: Christ.  What an asshole.

 
2014-03-08 08:49:41 AM  
www.qwipster.net

Blackface is only appropriate when trying to sneak past the cops to catch a train
 
2014-03-08 08:51:42 AM  
I think that this thread has a lot of(deliberately?)
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2014-03-08 08:59:07 AM  

That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.


Poe's law in action.
 
2014-03-08 09:03:12 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Not one little bit surprised.  Just Christians doing what Christians do to get the kids involved.  Appeal to the young people.  You know, like worship bands and all.


Yes, because when I go to church each Sunday we all put on black face and sing "Somebody's diggin in my potatoes" to the children.  It's a bigot thing, not a Christian thing.
 
2014-03-08 09:06:09 AM  

wildcardjack: DrPainMD: Does not approve.

Black guy in whiteface is funnier than the other way around, although it's just... No, it's not as full of racist stereotypes. White people made a bunch of stereotypes about black people but there aren't many degrogatory stereotypes the other way.


Also, there is another inconvenient fact. Whiteface isn't making fun of Whites--its making fun of Blackface. And that is also why anyone who's seen Tropic Thunder knows Downey was also making fun of Blackface--that why the film depicts him trying to bond with the actual African-American actor with that cheesy Jeffersons line.
 
2014-03-08 09:11:36 AM  

hardinparamedic: Slappajo: To do that, he used black face paint.  Had he not, it would have been a shiatty impression of Mr. T.  But using black face paint apparently hurts some people's feelings.  We don't want to hurt anyone's feelings...therefore BAN IT ALL.



Tell him that.

But yeah. We're the real racists, blah blah blah.


I would tell him that. That IS a shiatty impersonation of Mr. T, Mr. T has to be black. All I see when I look at that picture is a middle aged white guy from Galveston with Mardi gras beads around his neck.

Now, if he was able to convincingly say "I pity the fool" and sound like Mr. T, I might get what he's trying to do. But then, would he be accused of imitating the way Mr. T talks? I mean, would he have to say it like a middle aged white man would, or could he say it like a black Mr. T would?
 
2014-03-08 09:16:01 AM  

Somacandra: wildcardjack: DrPainMD: Does not approve.

Black guy in whiteface is funnier than the other way around, although it's just... No, it's not as full of racist stereotypes. White people made a bunch of stereotypes about black people but there aren't many degrogatory stereotypes the other way.

Also, there is another inconvenient fact. Whiteface isn't making fun of Whites--its making fun of Blackface. And that is also why anyone who's seen Tropic Thunder knows Downey was also making fun of Blackface--that why the film depicts him trying to bond with the actual African-American actor with that cheesy Jeffersons line.


The fact that this has to be explained to anyone should shock me, but nothing really shocks me at this point.

When blackface is the target of the joke, it's acceptable and could be funny. When black people are the target of the joke, it's probably racist and would take great skill to be funny. Generally a white preacher in blackface does not possess such comedic skill.

If this concept is confusing to you, you're probably racist.
 
Rat [TotalFark]
2014-03-08 09:17:09 AM  
Are gays and drag queens in blackface ok?

© or should I be outraged like if a straight guy like Andre Agassi did it?

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2014-03-08 09:26:43 AM  

hardinparamedic: JoieD'Zen: So you got laid?

Well, let's just say that I found out I was bi one summer at 16 with a preacher's kid from Little Rock, Arkansas.


Everyone gets laid at church camp. That's half the point of going.
 
2014-03-08 09:27:47 AM  
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2014-03-08 09:29:54 AM  

Rat: Are gays and drag queens in blackface ok?

© or should I be outraged like if a straight guy like Andre Agassi did it?

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why? Are you worried you'll come off as a racist at your next grindr party?
 
2014-03-08 09:30:30 AM  

SquiggsIN: That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.

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Kirk Lazarus doesn't drop character until he's done the DVD commentary.  (Robert Downey actually stays in character for the commentary track as Osiris until nearly the end when he goes Kirk Lazarus for a few minutes and then finally finishes it as himself)

and isn't your offense cute?


That was the most piss poor excuse/defense of the double standard I've ever seen in my life.

Looks like the guy was trying to be Clubber Lang, who was played by Mr. T., who happens to be black. Big farking deal. The Butthurt Brigade needs to pick their battles more wisely because I stopped taking them seriously twenty years ago.
 
2014-03-08 09:30:33 AM  
Does anyone have another link to this story?
 
2014-03-08 09:30:36 AM  
Once again, arguing about God based on the misinterpretation of humans. It doesn't help that the story is linked through a site with the obvious intent of reassuring those denying God's existence that they are correct because of the questionable actions of a handpicked few.  That's okay, though. Jesus didn't come to save the righteous, he came for the sinners.
 
2014-03-08 09:35:19 AM  
That little Kentucky church runs an $8000/year college on the side. Read the faculty qualifications; that is really depressing. Maybe black-face acting is about all these kids can look to as a way of a profession out of their poverty.
 
2014-03-08 09:35:59 AM  

TerminalEchoes: SquiggsIN: That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.

[oi62.tinypic.com image 720x480]

Kirk Lazarus doesn't drop character until he's done the DVD commentary.  (Robert Downey actually stays in character for the commentary track as Osiris until nearly the end when he goes Kirk Lazarus for a few minutes and then finally finishes it as himself)

and isn't your offense cute?

That was the most piss poor excuse/defense of the double standard I've ever seen in my life.

Looks like the guy was trying to be Clubber Lang, who was played by Mr. T., who happens to be black. Big farking deal. The Butthurt Brigade needs to pick their battles more wisely because I stopped taking them seriously twenty years ago.


Nobody's butthurt about this except for the whiny racists who are upset that it's unacceptable to mince around in blackface in the year 2014. The rest of us are mocking them and you. This dumb racist pastor doesn't offend me, I'm laughing at him. The difference isn't even subtle, it's obvious.
 
2014-03-08 09:36:15 AM  
Also, consider Halloween costumes - what's the difference between using makeup to match skin tone vs. placing a thin piece of accurately matched rubber on your face? Because I didn't see any white Mr. T masks out there. So do they make the mask in all colors, and you have to buy the one that matches you? What if a very light skinned black guy want to color match the skin tone?
 
2014-03-08 09:40:56 AM  

TerminalEchoes: SquiggsIN: That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.

[oi62.tinypic.com image 720x480]

Kirk Lazarus doesn't drop character until he's done the DVD commentary.  (Robert Downey actually stays in character for the commentary track as Osiris until nearly the end when he goes Kirk Lazarus for a few minutes and then finally finishes it as himself)

and isn't your offense cute?

That was the most piss poor excuse/defense of the double standard I've ever seen in my life.

Looks like the guy was trying to be Clubber Lang, who was played by Mr. T., who happens to be black. Big farking deal. The Butthurt Brigade needs to pick their battles more wisely because I stopped taking them seriously twenty years ago.


Where is the double standard? Is this an attempt at "satire" by the pastor? If so, I might be able to see a comparison. Perhaps the pastor is merely ignorant of the cultural history of the United States over the last 100 years?
 
2014-03-08 09:56:31 AM  
You're really shocked by this? Well.. OK.
 
2014-03-08 09:59:19 AM  

The Homer Tax: TerminalEchoes: SquiggsIN: That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.

[oi62.tinypic.com image 720x480]

Kirk Lazarus doesn't drop character until he's done the DVD commentary.  (Robert Downey actually stays in character for the commentary track as Osiris until nearly the end when he goes Kirk Lazarus for a few minutes and then finally finishes it as himself)

and isn't your offense cute?

That was the most piss poor excuse/defense of the double standard I've ever seen in my life.

Looks like the guy was trying to be Clubber Lang, who was played by Mr. T., who happens to be black. Big farking deal. The Butthurt Brigade needs to pick their battles more wisely because I stopped taking them seriously twenty years ago.

Nobody's butthurt about this except for the whiny racists who are upset that it's unacceptable to mince around in blackface in the year 2014. The rest of us are mocking them and you. This dumb racist pastor doesn't offend me, I'm laughing at him. The difference isn't even subtle, it's obvious.


You seriously need to learn what blackface is and isn't. But thank you for again proving that anyone who doesn't agree with the liberal worldview is automatically a racist.
 
2014-03-08 10:04:10 AM  

mutterfark: TerminalEchoes: SquiggsIN: That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.

[oi62.tinypic.com image 720x480]

Kirk Lazarus doesn't drop character until he's done the DVD commentary.  (Robert Downey actually stays in character for the commentary track as Osiris until nearly the end when he goes Kirk Lazarus for a few minutes and then finally finishes it as himself)

and isn't your offense cute?

That was the most piss poor excuse/defense of the double standard I've ever seen in my life.

Looks like the guy was trying to be Clubber Lang, who was played by Mr. T., who happens to be black. Big farking deal. The Butthurt Brigade needs to pick their battles more wisely because I stopped taking them seriously twenty years ago.

Where is the double standard? Is this an attempt at "satire" by the pastor? If so, I might be able to see a comparison. Perhaps the pastor is merely ignorant of the cultural history of the United States over the last 100 years?


The double standard: if it's a "friend of Hollywood" portraying a black person, it's fine. But if it's one of those horrible right wing Nazi/Anti-Semite/Racist/Fascist/Homophobic/Sexist (did I miss any other buzz words?) who does it, then it's a problem. If he would have gone out there in true blackface saying "mammy!" and tap dancing, you might have a case. But you don't.
 
2014-03-08 10:06:21 AM  

TerminalEchoes: The Homer Tax: TerminalEchoes: SquiggsIN: That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.

[oi62.tinypic.com image 720x480]

Kirk Lazarus doesn't drop character until he's done the DVD commentary.  (Robert Downey actually stays in character for the commentary track as Osiris until nearly the end when he goes Kirk Lazarus for a few minutes and then finally finishes it as himself)

and isn't your offense cute?

That was the most piss poor excuse/defense of the double standard I've ever seen in my life.

Looks like the guy was trying to be Clubber Lang, who was played by Mr. T., who happens to be black. Big farking deal. The Butthurt Brigade needs to pick their battles more wisely because I stopped taking them seriously twenty years ago.

Nobody's butthurt about this except for the whiny racists who are upset that it's unacceptable to mince around in blackface in the year 2014. The rest of us are mocking them and you. This dumb racist pastor doesn't offend me, I'm laughing at him. The difference isn't even subtle, it's obvious.

You seriously need to learn what blackface is and isn't. But thank you for again proving that anyone who doesn't agree with the liberal worldview is automatically a racist.


It has nothing to do with a "liberal world view" FFS have you posted a single thing in this thread that isn't a horrific strawman?

Painting yourself and then acting like a black guy, when not satirizing the act of blackface itself, is Farking racist. I'm sorry if that offends you. I really am. I'm sorry that being accurately identified as a racist offends you. It's not my problem it's yours. You need to come to damn grips with who you are.

I'm so tired of handling conservative crybabies like yourself with kid gloves. Always playing the goddamned victim card. You're not a victim because you can't put on blackface without being called a racist. You're just a damn racist, either own it, or stop being racist, but either way stop Farking WHINING about it all the time.

I thought liberals were damn crybabies until this country elected a black president, that's when you pathetic conservatives took the whole victimology thing to 11.
 
2014-03-08 10:09:04 AM  

TerminalEchoes: mutterfark: TerminalEchoes: SquiggsIN: That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.

[oi62.tinypic.com image 720x480]

Kirk Lazarus doesn't drop character until he's done the DVD commentary.  (Robert Downey actually stays in character for the commentary track as Osiris until nearly the end when he goes Kirk Lazarus for a few minutes and then finally finishes it as himself)

and isn't your offense cute?

That was the most piss poor excuse/defense of the double standard I've ever seen in my life.

Looks like the guy was trying to be Clubber Lang, who was played by Mr. T., who happens to be black. Big farking deal. The Butthurt Brigade needs to pick their battles more wisely because I stopped taking them seriously twenty years ago.

Where is the double standard? Is this an attempt at "satire" by the pastor? If so, I might be able to see a comparison. Perhaps the pastor is merely ignorant of the cultural history of the United States over the last 100 years?

The double standard: if it's a "friend of Hollywood" portraying a black person, it's fine. But if it's one of those horrible right wing Nazi/Anti-Semite/Racist/Fascist/Homophobic/Sexist (did I miss any other buzz words?) who does it, then it's a problem. If he would have gone out there in true blackface saying "mammy!" and tap dancing, you might have a case. But you don't.


Seriously, how old are you. 10? 12? You don't even know what a double standard is and you're trying to lecture the class on 100 years of race relations throughout history.

Cry more. How many more victim cards can you play? Tell daddy all of the mean names those nasty wiberals said to you...
 
2014-03-08 10:12:38 AM  

hardinparamedic: Miss Alexandra: Big deal.

Meanwhile you have this cRap "music" that has lyrics like this:

"I kill a devil right now ... I say kill whitey all nightey long ... I stabbed a farking Jew with a steeple ... I would kill a cracker for nothing, just for the fark of it ... Menace Clan kill a cracker; jack 'em even quicker ... catch that devil slipping; blow his farking brains out"
"fark a Record Deal"; Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of Thorn EMI; called The EMI Group since 1997, United Kingdom.

So compared to that, blackface is like, meh.

The fact you think the earth is the center of the universe is far more offensive if me as a representative of the white race than a bunch of rap lyrics are.


I love how no matter what the topic is, no matter what that poster says, someone makes sure to immediately remind everyone of that.
 
2014-03-08 10:12:56 AM  

The Homer Tax: TerminalEchoes: mutterfark: TerminalEchoes: SquiggsIN: That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.

[oi62.tinypic.com image 720x480]

Kirk Lazarus doesn't drop character until he's done the DVD commentary.  (Robert Downey actually stays in character for the commentary track as Osiris until nearly the end when he goes Kirk Lazarus for a few minutes and then finally finishes it as himself)

and isn't your offense cute?

That was the most piss poor excuse/defense of the double standard I've ever seen in my life.

Looks like the guy was trying to be Clubber Lang, who was played by Mr. T., who happens to be black. Big farking deal. The Butthurt Brigade needs to pick their battles more wisely because I stopped taking them seriously twenty years ago.

Where is the double standard? Is this an attempt at "satire" by the pastor? If so, I might be able to see a comparison. Perhaps the pastor is merely ignorant of the cultural history of the United States over the last 100 years?

The double standard: if it's a "friend of Hollywood" portraying a black person, it's fine. But if it's one of those horrible right wing Nazi/Anti-Semite/Racist/Fascist/Homophobic/Sexist (did I miss any other buzz words?) who does it, then it's a problem. If he would have gone out there in true blackface saying "mammy!" and tap dancing, you might have a case. But you don't.

Seriously, how old are you. 10? 12? You don't even know what a double standard is and you're trying to lecture the class on 100 years of race relations throughout history.

Cry more. How many more victim cards can you play? Tell daddy all of the mean names those nasty wiberals said to you...


The Homer Tax - I'm curious your opinion on masks that are accurately color matched.
 
2014-03-08 10:13:26 AM  

Gulper Eel: This pastor who runs a "National" young fundamentalists' conference has a whopping 109 followers on Twitter - way to go with that youth outreach there, rev.

And seeing as his congregation appears from the pictures on the church's website to be multiracial and his church  runs a ministry for the Spanish-speaking community, I'm going with him being clueless about teh internets and not bigoted, although the final call on that doesn't rest with us but with his flock.

They need to stay the fark out of politics, though. Living your ministry and legislating your ministry are at cross-purposes (so to speak) with each other.


I'm going to take issue with your last statement. Do you believe gay marriage should be legal? Regardless of how you answer you will be for enacting legislation based upon your personal belief system. Why is it okay for you and not them? Everyone supports legislation based upon their definition of what is morally correct, you'll just have to deal with the fact that a majority of your countrymen will have thiers colored by religion.
 
2014-03-08 10:13:31 AM  

TanSau: Make More Hinjews: cynicalminion: dibs on your dropped treasure, and your mom's in the wagon for later.

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Thanks, but I've got five party members with prior dibs.

Ultima 6, one of the better ones.

Nice


Hehe yep... at least a year lost to that.
 
2014-03-08 10:16:23 AM  

cynicalminion: Make More Hinjews: cynicalminion: dibs on your dropped treasure, and your mom's in the wagon for later.

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Thanks, but I've got five party members with prior dibs.

and i've got a gelatinous cube.

*yoink*

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I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.
 
2014-03-08 10:20:22 AM  

moodyfark: It looks to me like he was trying to impersonate Mr. T (poorly, but that's beside the point)


That's what happens whenever Christians try to adapt anything popular to Christianity

Christian rock - terrible
Christian cartoons - terrible
Christian summer camps - terrible
Christian pantomime? - terrible
 
2014-03-08 10:23:49 AM  

Witness99: The Homer Tax: TerminalEchoes: mutterfark: TerminalEchoes: SquiggsIN: That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.

[oi62.tinypic.com image 720x480]

Kirk Lazarus doesn't drop character until he's done the DVD commentary.  (Robert Downey actually stays in character for the commentary track as Osiris until nearly the end when he goes Kirk Lazarus for a few minutes and then finally finishes it as himself)

and isn't your offense cute?

That was the most piss poor excuse/defense of the double standard I've ever seen in my life.

Looks like the guy was trying to be Clubber Lang, who was played by Mr. T., who happens to be black. Big farking deal. The Butthurt Brigade needs to pick their battles more wisely because I stopped taking them seriously twenty years ago.

Where is the double standard? Is this an attempt at "satire" by the pastor? If so, I might be able to see a comparison. Perhaps the pastor is merely ignorant of the cultural history of the United States over the last 100 years?

The double standard: if it's a "friend of Hollywood" portraying a black person, it's fine. But if it's one of those horrible right wing Nazi/Anti-Semite/Racist/Fascist/Homophobic/Sexist (did I miss any other buzz words?) who does it, then it's a problem. If he would have gone out there in true blackface saying "mammy!" and tap dancing, you might have a case. But you don't.

Seriously, how old are you. 10? 12? You don't even know what a double standard is and you're trying to lecture the class on 100 years of race relations throughout history.

Cry more. How many more victim cards can you play? Tell daddy all of the mean names those nasty wiberals said to you...

The Homer Tax - I'm curious your opinion on masks that are accurately color matched.


It's stupid to do, but doesn't have the direct relation to a specific act of racism like painting your skin. This is common sense people, if at any point in time you find yourself painting your skin like a black person, without making a commentary on the act of doing so itself, and think "this is a GREAT idea!" Then there is simply no hope for you.

Sorry white people, we can't paint ourselves black, we just can't. Well have to keep busy doing all the other multitudes of things that make being white so awesome. Almost everything in our lives is tilted to our advantage. Race related costumery isn't, we're going to have to get over that.
 
2014-03-08 10:29:07 AM  
www.chicagoreader.com
 
2014-03-08 10:29:24 AM  

That Guy...From That Show!: jso2897: That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.

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No it isn't. It's an old, false, and boring meme. It's about as far from "interesting" as any other made up RW paranoia.

If that were really true then you wouldn't have felt compelled to react to that or this as well.


Ah, that old Morton's fork, so popular among Creationists:

1. If you ignore me, that validates me because it proves you're unable or afraid to debate my point.
2. If you don't ignore me, that validates me because it proves I'm worth your time and attention.
 
2014-03-08 10:32:58 AM  

CanisNoir: I'm going to take issue with your last statement. Do you believe gay marriage should be legal? Regardless of how you answer you will be for enacting legislation based upon your personal belief system. Why is it okay for you and not them? Everyone supports legislation based upon their definition of what is morally correct, you'll just have to deal with the fact that a majority of your countrymen will have thiers colored by religion.


Wrong, care to try again?  The purpose of the law is NOT to legislate morality.  The purpose of the law is to ensure that in the eyes of the law everyone is treated fairly.  Want to run a flower business and refuse to make bouquets for the gay couple because you believe their pairing is an abomination?  Fine.  That's your opinion and you have a right to it.  What you don't have a right to is to be shielded from boycotts and criticism from more intelligent people that think you are an ignorant, bigoted, backward moron.
 
2014-03-08 10:33:58 AM  
Because white guys be driving like this....

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2014-03-08 10:35:34 AM  
Thanks Mambo!


".....birdy num-num!"
 
2014-03-08 10:38:55 AM  

CanisNoir: Do you believe gay marriage should be legal? Regardless of how you answer you will be for enacting legislation based upon your personal belief system. Why is it okay for you and not them? Everyone supports legislation based upon their definition of what is morally correct, you'll just have to deal with the fact that a majority of your countrymen will have thiers colored by religion.


They're not defining what's morally correct - they're defining what is and isn't sinful based on their doctrine. There's a distinct difference. All the dorm-room Solomons saying "we shouldn't legislate morality" have it exactly ass backwards. The state should legislate morality, but should not legislate that morality based on anybody's interpretation of what is and isn't sinful, because sin is a specifically religious concept.

Yes, I think same-sex marriage should be legal - but that's legislation based on the absence of a personal belief system. In other words, my opinion doesn't matter one bit in the affairs of a household other than my own. And as for the state, there is no compelling reason for the state to favor one sort of union of two consenting adults in a true and committed relationship over another sort. It's none of our farking business other than to treat all such unions equally under the law.
 
2014-03-08 10:40:03 AM  

The Homer Tax: Witness99: The Homer Tax: TerminalEchoes: mutterfark: TerminalEchoes: SquiggsIN: That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.

[oi62.tinypic.com image 720x480]

Kirk Lazarus doesn't drop character until he's done the DVD commentary.  (Robert Downey actually stays in character for the commentary track as Osiris until nearly the end when he goes Kirk Lazarus for a few minutes and then finally finishes it as himself)

and isn't your offense cute?

That was the most piss poor excuse/defense of the double standard I've ever seen in my life.

Looks like the guy was trying to be Clubber Lang, who was played by Mr. T., who happens to be black. Big farking deal. The Butthurt Brigade needs to pick their battles more wisely because I stopped taking them seriously twenty years ago.

Where is the double standard? Is this an attempt at "satire" by the pastor? If so, I might be able to see a comparison. Perhaps the pastor is merely ignorant of the cultural history of the United States over the last 100 years?

The double standard: if it's a "friend of Hollywood" portraying a black person, it's fine. But if it's one of those horrible right wing Nazi/Anti-Semite/Racist/Fascist/Homophobic/Sexist (did I miss any other buzz words?) who does it, then it's a problem. If he would have gone out there in true blackface saying "mammy!" and tap dancing, you might have a case. But you don't.

Seriously, how old are you. 10? 12? You don't even know what a double standard is and you're trying to lecture the class on 100 years of race relations throughout history.

Cry more. How many more victim cards can you play? Tell daddy all of the mean names those nasty wiberals said to you...

The Homer Tax - I'm curious your opinion on masks that are accurately color matched.

It's stupid to do, but doesn't have the direct relation to a specific act of racism like painting your skin. This is common sense people, if at any point in time you find yourself painting your skin like a black person, without making a commentary on the act of doing so itself, and think "this is a GREAT idea!" Then there is simply no hope for you.

Sorry white people, we can't paint ourselves black, we just can't. Well have to keep busy doing all the other multitudes of things that make being white so awesome. Almost everything in our lives is tilted to our advantage. Race related costumery isn't, we're going to have to get over that.


It's only offensive when the makeup purposefully exagerates stereotypes (which this did not). By insisting upon a double standard, you are doing just as much harm to racial harmony as old school segregationists. Harmony through equality, not inequality. Focusing on innocuous actions such as this breeds resentment.
 
2014-03-08 10:44:58 AM  

CanisNoir: The Homer Tax: Witness99: The Homer Tax: TerminalEchoes: mutterfark: TerminalEchoes: SquiggsIN: That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that bigots will go after Christians for doing the same thing that the bigots applaud others for doing.

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Kirk Lazarus doesn't drop character until he's done the DVD commentary.  (Robert Downey actually stays in character for the commentary track as Osiris until nearly the end when he goes Kirk Lazarus for a few minutes and then finally finishes it as himself)

and isn't your offense cute?

That was the most piss poor excuse/defense of the double standard I've ever seen in my life.

Looks like the guy was trying to be Clubber Lang, who was played by Mr. T., who happens to be black. Big farking deal. The Butthurt Brigade needs to pick their battles more wisely because I stopped taking them seriously twenty years ago.

Where is the double standard? Is this an attempt at "satire" by the pastor? If so, I might be able to see a comparison. Perhaps the pastor is merely ignorant of the cultural history of the United States over the last 100 years?

The double standard: if it's a "friend of Hollywood" portraying a black person, it's fine. But if it's one of those horrible right wing Nazi/Anti-Semite/Racist/Fascist/Homophobic/Sexist (did I miss any other buzz words?) who does it, then it's a problem. If he would have gone out there in true blackface saying "mammy!" and tap dancing, you might have a case. But you don't.

Seriously, how old are you. 10? 12? You don't even know what a double standard is and you're trying to lecture the class on 100 years of race relations throughout history.

Cry more. How many more victim cards can you play? Tell daddy all of the mean names those nasty wiberals said to you...

The Homer Tax - I'm curious your opinion on masks that are accurately color matched.

It's stupid to do, but doesn't have the direct relation to a specific act of racism like painting your skin. This is common sense people, if at any point in time you find yourself painting your skin like a black person, without making a commentary on the act of doing so itself, and think "this is a GREAT idea!" Then there is simply no hope for you.

Sorry white people, we can't paint ourselves black, we just can't. Well have to keep busy doing all the other multitudes of things that make being white so awesome. Almost everything in our lives is tilted to our advantage. Race related costumery isn't, we're going to have to get over that.

It's only offensive when the makeup purposefully exagerates stereotypes (which this did not). By insisting upon a double standard, you are doing just as much harm to racial harmony as old school segregationists. Harmony through equality, not inequality. Focusing on innocuous actions such as this breeds resentment.


Painting yourself black and acting like Mr T is blackface, I'm sorry that you don't understand.

It's not a "double standard" you don't know what that phrase means. You're using it improperly to excuse a racist act. You're simply wrong on this and you're not as clever as you think you are when you try to flip it around and say "you're the real racist for saying it's racist!"

You're not smart, you're not clever, you're just wrong. It's OK to be wrong sometimes, like you are. Right now.
 
2014-03-08 10:45:26 AM  

TwistedFark: Miss Alexandra: Big deal.

Meanwhile you have this cRap "music" that has lyrics like this:

"I kill a devil right now ... I say kill whitey all nightey long ... I stabbed a farking Jew with a steeple ... I would kill a cracker for nothing, just for the fark of it ... Menace Clan kill a cracker; jack 'em even quicker ... catch that devil slipping; blow his farking brains out"
"fark a Record Deal"; Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of Thorn EMI; called The EMI Group since 1997, United Kingdom.

So compared to that, blackface is like, meh.

Yeah, 2 douchebags with one record almost 20 years ago totally makes everything even for Jim Crow, the KKK, Lynching, Minstrel Shows, and of course, Slavery.

Big deal! Totally!


I wouldn't bother.   Miss Alexandra has done drive-bys before in other threads.  I don't expect her to come back to the thread.
 
2014-03-08 10:45:40 AM  

StrangeQ: CanisNoir: I'm going to take issue with your last statement. Do you believe gay marriage should be legal? Regardless of how you answer you will be for enacting legislation based upon your personal belief system. Why is it okay for you and not them? Everyone supports legislation based upon their definition of what is morally correct, you'll just have to deal with the fact that a majority of your countrymen will have thiers colored by religion.

Wrong, care to try again?  The purpose of the law is NOT to legislate morality.  The purpose of the law is to ensure that in the eyes of the law everyone is treated fairly.  Want to run a flower business and refuse to make bouquets for the gay couple because you believe their pairing is an abomination?  Fine.  That's your opinion and you have a right to it.  What you don't have a right to is to be shielded from boycotts and criticism from more intelligent people that think you are an ignorant, bigoted, backward moron.


Uh no. The idea of equality under the law is a relatively new idea in the world and is based upon the moral idea that "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights". Every piece of legislation at it's base is what people think is morally correct.
 
2014-03-08 10:47:33 AM  
Gulper Eel:They're not defining what's morally correct - they're defining what is and isn't sinful based on their doctrine. There's a distinct difference. All the dorm-room Solomons saying "we shouldn't legislate morality" have it exactly ass backwards. The state should legislate morality, but should not legislate that morality based on anybody's interpretation of what is and isn't sinful, because sin is a specifically religious concept.

Yes, I think same-sex marriage should be legal - but that's legislation based on the absence of a personal belief system. In other words, my opinion doesn't matter one bit in the affairs of a household other than my own. And as for the state, there is no compelling reason for the state to favor one sort of union of two consenting adults in a true and committed relationship over another sort. It's none of our farking business other than to treat all such unions equally under the law.


Then how do you define morality?  Morality is by definition someone's opinion on what is right and wrong.  Marijuana prohibition and prohibition and general (such as Sunday liquor laws that are still on the books) is the very definition of legislating based on "morality" instead of a rational and logical take on personal liberties.
 
2014-03-08 10:50:30 AM  

Gulper Eel: CanisNoir: Do you believe gay marriage should be legal? Regardless of how you answer you will be for enacting legislation based upon your personal belief system. Why is it okay for you and not them? Everyone supports legislation based upon their definition of what is morally correct, you'll just have to deal with the fact that a majority of your countrymen will have thiers colored by religion.

They're not defining what's morally correct - they're defining what is and isn't sinful based on their doctrine. There's a distinct difference. All the dorm-room Solomons saying "we shouldn't legislate morality" have it exactly ass backwards. The state should legislate morality, but should not legislate that morality based on anybody's interpretation of what is and isn't sinful, because sin is a specifically religious concept.

Yes, I think same-sex marriage should be legal - but that's legislation based on the absence of a personal belief system. In other words, my opinion doesn't matter one bit in the affairs of a household other than my own. And as for the state, there is no compelling reason for the state to favor one sort of union of two consenting adults in a true and committed relationship over another sort. It's none of our farking business other than to treat all such unions equally under the law.


Yet "Live and let live" is a moral philosophy and the one you base your legislative decisions on, just as the opponents base thiers on a differing philosophy.
 
2014-03-08 10:50:46 AM  

CanisNoir: I'm going to take issue with your last statement. Do you believe gay marriage should be legal? Regardless of how you answer you will be for enacting legislation based upon your personal belief system. Why is it okay for you and not them? Everyone supports legislation based upon their definition of what is morally correct, you'll just have to deal with the fact that a majority of your countrymen will have thiers colored by religion.


The concept of equality in the eyes of the law is not just a personal belief system, it is an ethos that provides the foundation of the U.S. Constitution. It's not about "beliefs" because that ethos exists whether one believes in it or not. It's the same thing as believing in a literal version of Genesis or in science. Science exists whether you believe in it or not. Even if no one believes in it, it's still there.

But let's say we do decide, for the sake of argument, to view this issue strictly in terms of "belief." If the anti-gay side gets to legislate its beliefs, people are hurt. Gays will be discriminated against and denied the 1138 rights and benefits provided to heterosexual marriages. However, if the pro-gay side gets its way, the anti-gay people aren't hurt. No one takes away their ability to marry, ability to worship, ability to express their opinions. They are simply denied the ability to hurt people with whom they disagree, and the gays get to marry and enjoy those 1138 rights.

Therefore, one belief results in injustice, the other results in justice. The belief that results in justice is superior.
 
2014-03-08 10:51:41 AM  

CanisNoir: Yet "Live and let live" is a moral philosophy and the one you base your legislative decisions on, just as the opponents base thiers on a differing philosophy.


Except that no, he didn't say that was his philosophy.

/seriously, painting your face black and acting like Mr. T is racist. Mr. T is a walking stereotype.
 
2014-03-08 10:52:58 AM  

CanisNoir: StrangeQ: CanisNoir: I'm going to take issue with your last statement. Do you believe gay marriage should be legal? Regardless of how you answer you will be for enacting legislation based upon your personal belief system. Why is it okay for you and not them? Everyone supports legislation based upon their definition of what is morally correct, you'll just have to deal with the fact that a majority of your countrymen will have thiers colored by religion.

Wrong, care to try again?  The purpose of the law is NOT to legislate morality.  The purpose of the law is to ensure that in the eyes of the law everyone is treated fairly.  Want to run a flower business and refuse to make bouquets for the gay couple because you believe their pairing is an abomination?  Fine.  That's your opinion and you have a right to it.  What you don't have a right to is to be shielded from boycotts and criticism from more intelligent people that think you are an ignorant, bigoted, backward moron.

Uh no. The idea of equality under the law is a relatively new idea in the world and is based upon the moral idea that "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights". Every piece of legislation at it's base is what people think is morally correct.


"All men are created equal" is from the Declaration of Independence. Our system of government and laws is based on the Constitution, not the DoI. You are wrong again.

At some point it becomes acceptable to cut your losses and bail from the thread.
 
2014-03-08 10:55:27 AM  

SquiggsIN: CanisNoir: ...By insisting upon a double standard, you are doing just as much harm to racial harmony as old school segregationists.


Okay.  You're either exaggerating to attempt to make a point you're failing at making OR you're a complete moron worthy of being ignored by all the adults in the room.


It's a little bit if both. He's exceptionally uninformed but thinks he's really really smart and clever. There's nothing more annoying than a dumb-dumb who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.
 
2014-03-08 10:56:46 AM  
CanisNoir: all [humans] are ... equal

That is not a moral idea, that is an intrinsic fact.  Also, I fixed it to remove any additional biases.
 
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