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(CBS Minnesota)   School administrators force girl to stand outside during a fire alarm in subzero temperatures, in nothing but a towel and swimsuit because regulations, and without regulations next thing you know it's Somalia up in here   (minnesota.cbslocal.com ) divider line
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2014-03-07 08:44:24 PM  
5 votes:
But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.
2014-03-07 10:02:03 PM  
3 votes:

walktoanarcade: In my state, teachers start at 34K. That's with no previous service and just a BA.

I'd favor paying them much, much more, if the kids were actually learning.


If you think this has much to do with teachers, then you're sadly mistaken.

Parents are the reason why kids do poorly in school. When parents don't put an emphasis on getting good grades and don't regularly check up on their kids, there is very little even an excellent teacher can do.

I'm a pretty good example of this. I was a bright kid, with a mind that lends itself towards math and science (professionally, I run a software engineering company, and prior to that I've spent most of my life as a software developer).

But when I was in school, I'd be lucky enough to go a single quarter without half my grades being D's or C's.

People would say, "Well he's obviously just bored with the work." My parents used that a lot. Now that I'm an adult, I think they were just letting me (and them) off the hook. The truth is, they never really made it a big deal. They never really put in the effort to make me care about it and when left up to my own devices I'd rather poke around on my computer than do my school work.

I was capable of breezing through everything with minimal effort (and I often did, passing classes at the last minute by just acing exams and doing a couple of makeup assignments to pad the homework part of the grade). So, boredom or not, when something is that easy, why not do it? The answer is simple: I didn't care enough to do it and my folks never spent the time making me care.

Anyway, my point is - teachers are less of the "problem" with our schools than parents are. School is one of those activities that you're likely to get as much out of as you put in - rarely do we hear the story about the brilliant kid in America who was disadvantaged by having a crappy school. However, too frequently we hear stories about teachers struggling to deal with kids that are completely unmotivated to learn.

To me, this starts at home. If parents aren't motivating their kids to perform well in school, there is very little even the most talented teacher will be able to accomplish with them.
2014-03-07 09:40:57 PM  
3 votes:
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2014-03-07 09:33:49 PM  
3 votes:

miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.


Stuff like this proves beyond any doubt that the purpose of our schools isn't for the purpose of education, but to train the future meatbots how to perform menial tasks on command and to never ever question the rules handed down by their superiors, no matter how ridiculous or even harmful they can be.
2014-03-07 09:31:02 PM  
3 votes:

miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.


Especially since his car is warm and dry. It would just lead to strong words in the staff room and flying accusations.
2014-03-07 09:30:22 PM  
3 votes:
For a place where kids are supposed to learn, teachers and principals are some of the most illogical and stupid things ever to walk on two legs.
2014-03-07 09:28:01 PM  
2 votes:
School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?
2014-03-08 07:08:39 AM  
1 vote:

Gyrfalcon: OtherLittleGuy: WelldeadLink: In another article, a teacher told the students to get dressed then go outside. Two girls decided to not do that.

Slamjob to deflect lawsuit begins.

It's completely irrelevant whether the teacher had told them to get dressed. It's completely irrelevant whether it was a real fire or a drill. It's completely irrelevant ANYTHING except that the girl was wearing a bathing suit and it was below zero and there was a car she could have sat in; and "school policy" said "sorry, we can't do that," and every single adult went "okey-doke!" and let a CHILD stand in the freezing cold in a bathing suit. Because rules.

If anyone can think of a reason why that is okay, then you are as much to blame as the teachers, the school and the rest of them, and you should be ashamed of yourselves. And you deserve to be pulled over by mean cops at the earliest opportunity and strip-searched by the side of the road and you better let them do it, because rules.


I think its a bit relevant its a drill. The point of a drill is to prepare not to escape an immediate danger. Saying 'hey this girl has no shoes on, let's leave her in the school and discuss how we can handle this in the future' is fine in a drill. In a real fire that's not an option and the staff making sure everyone is accounted for vs trying to find a car is a bit more forgivable in the cchaos. Now if every time they drill they just leave everyone inside who isn't properly dressed that is an issue, but one time because you obviously don't have a policy in place? Sure why not
2014-03-08 03:43:43 AM  
1 vote:
I have no sympathy for sheep who do everything that they're told. By the time I was 14, I had the balls to tell teachers to STFU and GBTW.
2014-03-08 01:09:50 AM  
1 vote:

walktoanarcade: "..eventually gave her a jacket..."


Sometimes I just hate people.  Eventually?  How dumb are people nowadays? Apparently, dumber than those flunkies who would say "Duuuuhhhyyaaa sowwy, bo-ahss"  yeah, those guys would have had the sense to give her a jacket immediately, unlike the faculty.

The people in the movie "Idiocracy" were smarter than this!


In a decent world every student out there would have looked the teachers right in the eyes, said "you're awful people", and given the girl a coat until she was safely warm in a pile of coats while 20 or so freezing, shivering kids stared at the teachers in contempt until the teachers, fearing being lynched, let everyone back inside.

Alternatively, I'm amazed not one teenage boy had the intelligence to offer her his coat and shoes. Come on dudes, that was the perfect opportunity!
2014-03-07 10:55:21 PM  
1 vote:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: [clip]


Where I live, the average (50th percentile) elementary school teacher makes $60k and the top 10% make $90k - teachers, not administrators.  That's not bad for someone with a BA (few have a masters).  As for hours, I don't know what they put it, but 36 weeks of work (180 days) at 60-hrs/wk would be the same as most of us putting in 43-hrs/wk for an entire year, so it's about equivalent to a regular full-time job.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not denigrating teachers or claiming that they don't do a very important job, I just don't buy into this whole "low pay" thing.  At least, it's hardly a universal truth in the USA.
2014-03-07 09:50:07 PM  
1 vote:
It happened around 8:30 a.m. Wednesday at Como Park High School in St. Paul


Back in the 80s we used to go to keg parties thrown by Como High upper class men.

They were held on Friday nights around a huge stone fire-pit, right in Como Park and along side the road (50 feet from the curb).  The cops would drive by numerous times during the party, but we were assured by the Como kids that they'd leave us alone (all 50 or so of us) until 11:30.

At 11:30 they'd make their final pass, but this time with the spot light on us and that was our notice to get the fark out.

Everyone left in an orderly fashion for various after-parties, because we were warned it meant our ass if we made the cops get out of their cars.

The cops in our own neighboring town were not nearly so obliging when it came to our parties.
2014-03-07 09:45:41 PM  
1 vote:
well, on the bright side it looks as though St. Paul will be paying for her college.
2014-03-07 09:43:21 PM  
1 vote:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I know the fire code exists for a reason, but there are a lot worse places to be during a fire than in a pool.

/Yes, I know about the chemicals and the closed space and the filters


You don't die from fire you die first from the toxic gases. A pool is no safer than anywhere else.
2014-03-07 09:40:29 PM  
1 vote:

Brainsick: Crudbucket: miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.

Especially since his car is warm and dry. It would just lead to strong words in the staff room and flying accusations.

*Shakes tiny fist*


Both of you, do not stand so close to me.
2014-03-07 09:32:49 PM  
1 vote:

The hopeless imp: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.


Crimea River Ok?

That has to be the dumbest freaken thing I have read on Fark in a long time

Good job, derpy
2014-03-07 09:32:14 PM  
1 vote:

miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.


Temptation, frustration
So bad it makes him cry
Wet bus stop, she's waiting
His car is warm and dry
2014-03-07 09:31:34 PM  
1 vote:
Fire the bastards. They forced a girl to stand outside barefoot in freezing weather and refused to offer her shelter. Fire them, no farking excuses.
2014-03-07 09:31:18 PM  
1 vote:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?


I agree, public education has turned into a joke

Abolish and start over

This time with common sense as the core instead of PC liberal BS
2014-03-07 09:30:37 PM  
1 vote:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?


Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.
2014-03-07 09:30:25 PM  
1 vote:
Every single regulation brings us farther from Somalia and closer to perfection.

Every. Single. One.

Do not think of them as "laws" think of them as "gifts".
2014-03-07 09:23:01 PM  
1 vote:
Cut the high beams off, hon!
2014-03-07 09:22:24 PM  
1 vote:
I know the fire code exists for a reason, but there are a lot worse places to be during a fire than in a pool.

/Yes, I know about the chemicals and the closed space and the filters
2014-03-07 08:52:22 PM  
1 vote:

miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.


Ding ding!
 
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