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(CBS Minnesota)   School administrators force girl to stand outside during a fire alarm in subzero temperatures, in nothing but a towel and swimsuit because regulations, and without regulations next thing you know it's Somalia up in here   (minnesota.cbslocal.com) divider line 97
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2014-03-07 10:20:01 PM  
The zero tolerance problem of not letting teachers use their common sense notwithstanding,,,,

This was a drill.   What the fark was the person in charge (principle?) thinking of doing a fire drill when it was that cold outside.  The cold was bad enough to harm people in clothes.
 
2014-03-07 10:21:08 PM  
<i>So she grabber her towel and went outside.</i>

lol..

why exactly are they not allowed to get inside a car for warmth?  Dumbass nation.
 
2014-03-07 10:22:30 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: The zero tolerance problem of not letting teachers use their common sense notwithstanding,,,,

This was a drill.   What the fark was the person in charge (principle?) thinking of doing a fire drill when it was that cold outside.  The cold was bad enough to harm people in clothes.


principal

/sorry had to
 
2014-03-07 10:24:05 PM  
I stopped reading at "teenage girl" and "wet swimsuit".

What are all you guys talking about?

This is still Fark, right?
 
2014-03-07 10:26:23 PM  
Hooray for zero tolerance.

Just give the teensicle some charts and graphs showing how statistically unlikely it was for her to be caught in that situation to keep her warm and comfortable, because for the most part the drills have not caused any of those problems.
 
2014-03-07 10:36:43 PM  
in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

Regulations and laws are fine until they block someone from using common sense and doing the right thing.
 
2014-03-07 10:41:11 PM  

grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.


Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car
 
2014-03-07 10:43:06 PM  

walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car


You mean men and women have never participated in a three-way sexual assault before? It's like people are trained to trust two people simply because they're opposite genders.

/post the entire faculty in the car itself and then wrap the car in bubblewrap
 
2014-03-07 10:45:36 PM  

Weatherkiss: walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car

You mean men and women have never participated in a three-way sexual assault before? It's like people are trained to trust two people simply because they're opposite genders.

/post the entire faculty in the car itself and then wrap the car in bubblewrap


+funny  You're right, but so am I. Men need not be vilified any more than others.

I think we both agree that the hysteria is the problem.
 
2014-03-07 10:46:26 PM  

walktoanarcade: I think we both agree that the hysteria is the problem.


Winner winner chicken dinner.
 
2014-03-07 10:47:49 PM  

dantheman195: The hopeless imp: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.

Crimea River Ok?

That has to be the dumbest freaken thing I have read on Fark in a long time

Good job, derpy


If the best and the brightest can find better paying jobs elsewhere, why would they work for shiat wages at a public school? Why would a PhD candidate work at McDonalds when she could be an associate professor at a private university?
 
2014-03-07 10:50:58 PM  

Weatherkiss: walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car

You mean men and women have never participated in a three-way sexual assault before? It's like people are trained to trust two people simply because they're opposite genders.

/post the entire faculty in the car itself and then wrap the car in bubblewrap


Amateur.

Dress the girl in a hijab and keep her at home under lock and key til you can marry her off to a cousin.

It's the only way to be sure.
 
2014-03-07 10:55:21 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: [clip]


Where I live, the average (50th percentile) elementary school teacher makes $60k and the top 10% make $90k - teachers, not administrators.  That's not bad for someone with a BA (few have a masters).  As for hours, I don't know what they put it, but 36 weeks of work (180 days) at 60-hrs/wk would be the same as most of us putting in 43-hrs/wk for an entire year, so it's about equivalent to a regular full-time job.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not denigrating teachers or claiming that they don't do a very important job, I just don't buy into this whole "low pay" thing.  At least, it's hardly a universal truth in the USA.
 
2014-03-07 11:12:10 PM  
Hmm, freezing outside or burning to death inside.  Tough call.

It's good that teachers eventually moved her into a warm car.  Wouldn't have hurt to do it sooner though.
 
2014-03-07 11:42:52 PM  

walktoanarcade: In my state, teachers start at 34K. That's with no previous service and just a BA.

I'd favor paying them much, much more, if the kids were actually learning.


How about we let them teach, even if Johnny and Janie might flunk. Oh wait, the kids never fail, the teachers fail.
 
2014-03-07 11:47:55 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: I stopped reading at "teenage girl" and "wet swimsuit".

What are all you guys talking about?

This is still Fark, right?


Pics or you didn't fappin?
 
2014-03-07 11:49:49 PM  

TwistedFark: When parents don't put an emphasis on getting good grades and don't regularly check up on their kids, there is very little even an excellent teacher can do.


Except it doesn't necessarily work that way.
 
2014-03-07 11:54:19 PM  

ChubbyTiger: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: [clip]

Where I live, the average (50th percentile) elementary school teacher makes $60k and the top 10% make $90k - teachers, not administrators.  That's not bad for someone with a BA (few have a masters).  As for hours, I don't know what they put it, but 36 weeks of work (180 days) at 60-hrs/wk would be the same as most of us putting in 43-hrs/wk for an entire year, so it's about equivalent to a regular full-time job.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not denigrating teachers or claiming that they don't do a very important job, I just don't buy into this whole "low pay" thing.  At least, it's hardly a universal truth in the USA.


I agree, I don't buy it either, and haven't bought that teacher union nonsense for over a decade. Sure the salary isn't that great when you first start out, but must jobs/careers are that way anyways, pay increases happen over time. After step 4 or 5 on the pay scale, the salary isn't all that bad. All the teachers I know, and I do know many, all either own homes or rent a apartment, comfortably. I never met a homeless teacher.
 
2014-03-08 12:05:29 AM  

rebelyell2006: dantheman195: The hopeless imp: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.

Crimea River Ok?

That has to be the dumbest freaken thing I have read on Fark in a long time

Good job, derpy

If the best and the brightest can find better paying jobs elsewhere, why would they work for shiat wages at a public school? Why would a PhD candidate work at McDonalds when she could be an associate professor at a private university?


The best and brightest are not always looking for the highest paid jobs either. Most start their own businesses, some do charity work, some do research and some become teachers. People still take high school math and science teaching jobs because that is what they want to do, not because the pay is great. They could get better paying jobs in their fields of study.

So saying that we have a bunch of numpties as teachers and school administrators because we don't attract quality teachers/administrators because of low salaries is insulting.

The best teachers in a district are the ones who do not discuss their salaries, who do not care if they pay $10 more week for their health benefits, the ones who don't care if the janitor might be making more money because of double overtime. They are the teachers who want to be teachers, not because of the salary, because they love what they do. They love the inspire, they love the creativity they can use, they are passionate about learning and growing young minds. And secretly they would do it free. I know those teachers, and they are the best asset a school district could ever have.
 
2014-03-08 12:27:58 AM  

Weatherkiss: walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car

You mean men and women have never participated in a three-way sexual assault before? It's like people are trained to trust two people simply because they're opposite genders.

/post the entire faculty in the car itself and then wrap the car in bubblewrap


The child has a plastic allergy. That would endanger her life.
 
2014-03-08 12:33:28 AM  

walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car


eh fair enough, i only said female as it would be less likely any one would complain.
 
2014-03-08 12:34:42 AM  

dantheman195: ChubbyTiger: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: [clip]

Where I live, the average (50th percentile) elementary school teacher makes $60k and the top 10% make $90k - teachers, not administrators.  That's not bad for someone with a BA (few have a masters).  As for hours, I don't know what they put it, but 36 weeks of work (180 days) at 60-hrs/wk would be the same as most of us putting in 43-hrs/wk for an entire year, so it's about equivalent to a regular full-time job.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not denigrating teachers or claiming that they don't do a very important job, I just don't buy into this whole "low pay" thing.  At least, it's hardly a universal truth in the USA.

I agree, I don't buy it either, and haven't bought that teacher union nonsense for over a decade. Sure the salary isn't that great when you first start out, but must jobs/careers are that way anyways, pay increases happen over time. After step 4 or 5 on the pay scale, the salary isn't all that bad. All the teachers I know, and I do know many, all either own homes or rent a apartment, comfortably. I never met a homeless teacher.




And every holiday off. Plus Spring break. Plus Fall break.
 
2014-03-08 12:38:37 AM  
"Eventually" gave her their coat. Seriously? Sadly, due to the pussification of America, I guess there were no real men to be found to give her their coats on the spot. Pathetic.

Something tells me she could have had plenty of time to get dressed, I mean, it's not like fire is particularly fast or even faster than say... a leisurely stroll's pace.
 
2014-03-08 12:40:40 AM  

grimlock1972: walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car

eh fair enough, i only said female as it would be less likely any one would complain.


Yeah, I know, but I felt I had to stick up for up men folk.  I wasn't getting pissy.
 
2014-03-08 12:43:32 AM  

OhioUGrad: kling_klang_bed: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 278x400]

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x953]

Such a shame that at such a young age she has freaking udders.


It's okay man. You can just come out of the closet and say it now. It's 2014 you know.
 
2014-03-08 01:09:50 AM  

walktoanarcade: "..eventually gave her a jacket..."


Sometimes I just hate people.  Eventually?  How dumb are people nowadays? Apparently, dumber than those flunkies who would say "Duuuuhhhyyaaa sowwy, bo-ahss"  yeah, those guys would have had the sense to give her a jacket immediately, unlike the faculty.

The people in the movie "Idiocracy" were smarter than this!


In a decent world every student out there would have looked the teachers right in the eyes, said "you're awful people", and given the girl a coat until she was safely warm in a pile of coats while 20 or so freezing, shivering kids stared at the teachers in contempt until the teachers, fearing being lynched, let everyone back inside.

Alternatively, I'm amazed not one teenage boy had the intelligence to offer her his coat and shoes. Come on dudes, that was the perfect opportunity!
 
2014-03-08 01:09:52 AM  

walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car

eh fair enough, i only said female as it would be less likely any one would complain.

Yeah, I know, but I felt I had to stick up for up men folk.  I wasn't getting pissy.


no sweat man, and i agree with you, its just that my flame retardant boxers are dirty so i need to avoid flames.
 
2014-03-08 01:11:13 AM  
Ignoring for a moment the rules. If this was a drill for preparing for an actual emergency they get a fat F for taking it seriously. Honestly if you've got 30 kids to a teacher then that's two rows of 15 and each group is aligned sitting down in the evacuation area. The first thing you do is take roll and evaluate any missing, injured, etc. Right? RIGHT!?

Well, what if someone is under protected in 10 degree weather? What's your plan? If you would do it in a real situation, do it now. Train like you fight to fight like you train. Don't let the first time you take it seriously and think of solutions of common issues be a real emergency.
 
2014-03-08 01:11:34 AM  

That Guy Jeff: walktoanarcade: "..eventually gave her a jacket..."


Sometimes I just hate people.  Eventually?  How dumb are people nowadays? Apparently, dumber than those flunkies who would say "Duuuuhhhyyaaa sowwy, bo-ahss"  yeah, those guys would have had the sense to give her a jacket immediately, unlike the faculty.

The people in the movie "Idiocracy" were smarter than this!

In a decent world every student out there would have looked the teachers right in the eyes, said "you're awful people", and given the girl a coat until she was safely warm in a pile of coats while 20 or so freezing, shivering kids stared at the teachers in contempt until the teachers, fearing being lynched, let everyone back inside.

Alternatively, I'm amazed not one teenage boy had the intelligence to offer her his coat and shoes. Come on dudes, that was the perfect opportunity!


Seriously!
 
2014-03-08 02:32:39 AM  
It sounded like the teacher didn't know it was a drill. Even if he did, you don't really have much of a choice, you have to get out. It's not an option. You do fire drills to prepare for the unexpected. Like wtf you do with a kid who is in a wet bathing suit in sub-zero temperatures.

Given that the school has a swimming pool, and they're in Minnesota, it's asinine they don't have a policy for this. It's not exactly an unheard of situation.

Staff should have ignored rules about students in car in this case. I can't imagine not doing so and I have a nice, new vehicle. I'd never on my life have gotten in the vehicle with the girl in the swimsuit but put a trustworthy friend of the girl's in there with her.
 
2014-03-08 03:05:07 AM  
When I was in college the dorms had just been fitted with new fire alarms that were really touchy.  A couple times a week we'd be out in the quad in our pajamas, often in very cold weather.  (The R.A.'s would sweep the rooms, and if anyone was still inside you could face really severe penalties).  What's worse is our school was kind of strict on security, with night desks for anyone signing in after 10, and the night  clerks in the other buildings wouldn't even let you stand inside the door.  I was lucky.  Because my room was right next to the door on the ground floor I had a few extra seconds to get outside, which meant I could get pants and something on my feet, and sometimes grab a jacket.  The night clerks really ticked me off though.
 
2014-03-08 03:15:00 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?


I'm a homeschooler. I like your idea.
 
2014-03-08 03:43:43 AM  
I have no sympathy for sheep who do everything that they're told. By the time I was 14, I had the balls to tell teachers to STFU and GBTW.
 
2014-03-08 03:48:19 AM  

MediaAreAllHacks: It sounded like the teacher didn't know it was a drill. Even if he did, you don't really have much of a choice, you have to get out. It's not an option. You do fire drills to prepare for the unexpected. Like wtf you do with a kid who is in a wet bathing suit in sub-zero temperatures.

Given that the school has a swimming pool, and they're in Minnesota, it's asinine they don't have a policy for this. It's not exactly an unheard of situation.

Staff should have ignored rules about students in car in this case. I can't imagine not doing so and I have a nice, new vehicle. I'd never on my life have gotten in the vehicle with the girl in the swimsuit but put a trustworthy friend of the girl's in there with her.


Almost ANYTHING is better than standing around with your thumb up your ass waiting for approval.

Unfortunately, this is the environment we get with lawsuit-happy parents, lawsuit-phobic staff, and the common American trait of installing the loudest, dumbest, and laziest to positions of authority. It's been so deeply entrenched since the 80's that it's going to be decades before it can be dismantled.
 
2014-03-08 03:52:23 AM  

MediaAreAllHacks: Staff should have ignored rules about students in car in this case. I can't imagine not doing so and I have a nice, new vehicle. I'd never on my life have gotten in the vehicle with the girl in the swimsuit but put a trustworthy friend of the girl's in there with her.


Which is what happened.
 
2014-03-08 04:10:27 AM  

Terrible Old Man: OhioUGrad: kling_klang_bed: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 278x400]

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x953]

Such a shame that at such a young age she has freaking udders.

It's okay man. You can just come out of the closet and say it now. It's 2014 you know.


Say what? That a 21 year old shouldn't have such saggy titties? Okay, a 21 year old shouldn't have such saggy titties.
 
2014-03-08 06:56:43 AM  
Who is the idiot that didn't just say 'hey its a drill, just wait inside by the door were we can see you until its over.'
 
2014-03-08 07:08:39 AM  

Gyrfalcon: OtherLittleGuy: WelldeadLink: In another article, a teacher told the students to get dressed then go outside. Two girls decided to not do that.

Slamjob to deflect lawsuit begins.

It's completely irrelevant whether the teacher had told them to get dressed. It's completely irrelevant whether it was a real fire or a drill. It's completely irrelevant ANYTHING except that the girl was wearing a bathing suit and it was below zero and there was a car she could have sat in; and "school policy" said "sorry, we can't do that," and every single adult went "okey-doke!" and let a CHILD stand in the freezing cold in a bathing suit. Because rules.

If anyone can think of a reason why that is okay, then you are as much to blame as the teachers, the school and the rest of them, and you should be ashamed of yourselves. And you deserve to be pulled over by mean cops at the earliest opportunity and strip-searched by the side of the road and you better let them do it, because rules.


I think its a bit relevant its a drill. The point of a drill is to prepare not to escape an immediate danger. Saying 'hey this girl has no shoes on, let's leave her in the school and discuss how we can handle this in the future' is fine in a drill. In a real fire that's not an option and the staff making sure everyone is accounted for vs trying to find a car is a bit more forgivable in the cchaos. Now if every time they drill they just leave everyone inside who isn't properly dressed that is an issue, but one time because you obviously don't have a policy in place? Sure why not
 
2014-03-08 08:36:51 AM  
This thread needs more snowy swimsuit pics..
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2014-03-08 08:47:59 AM  

Gyrfalcon: OtherLittleGuy: WelldeadLink: In another article, a teacher told the students to get dressed then go outside. Two girls decided to not do that.

Slamjob to deflect lawsuit begins.

It's completely irrelevant whether the teacher had told them to get dressed. It's completely irrelevant whether it was a real fire or a drill. It's completely irrelevant ANYTHING except that the girl was wearing a bathing suit and it was below zero and there was a car she could have sat in; and "school policy" said "sorry, we can't do that," and every single adult went "okey-doke!" and let a CHILD stand in the freezing cold in a bathing suit. Because rules.

If anyone can think of a reason why that is okay, then you are as much to blame as the teachers, the school and the rest of them, and you should be ashamed of yourselves. And you deserve to be pulled over by mean cops at the earliest opportunity and strip-searched by the side of the road and you better let them do it, because rules.


Do you know how many lawsuits schools get?

Any sort of law to reduce the rules must also include some sort of judicial reform limiting certain suits in specific conditions.
 
2014-03-08 12:53:52 PM  
It doesn't have to make sense because IT'S SCHOOL POLICY.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-08 12:54:37 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-08 02:58:55 PM  
The larger issue is that kids need to learn to take care of themselves, and that this puts a lie to AGW.  A little bit of collateral damage is an acceptable price to pay if it can help free us from the madness of scientists spreading their self-serving lies just to get more research funds from ACORN.
 
2014-03-08 06:43:12 PM  

meanmutton: The hopeless imp: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.

Where are you going to get a better wage for 180 days a year of work with full benefits, a pension, and only an English degree as qualifications?


Ask that of any math or science teacher. .. How much can you make with a math or science degree?
 
2014-03-08 06:43:51 PM  

dantheman195: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

I agree, public education has turned into a joke

Abolish and start over

This time with common sense as the core instead of PC liberal BS


And protection from litigation?
 
2014-03-08 06:47:52 PM  

dantheman195: ChubbyTiger: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: [clip]

Where I live, the average (50th percentile) elementary school teacher makes $60k and the top 10% make $90k - teachers, not administrators.  That's not bad for someone with a BA (few have a masters).  As for hours, I don't know what they put it, but 36 weeks of work (180 days) at 60-hrs/wk would be the same as most of us putting in 43-hrs/wk for an entire year, so it's about equivalent to a regular full-time job.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not denigrating teachers or claiming that they don't do a very important job, I just don't buy into this whole "low pay" thing.  At least, it's hardly a universal truth in the USA.

I agree, I don't buy it either, and haven't bought that teacher union nonsense for over a decade. Sure the salary isn't that great when you first start out, but must jobs/careers are that way anyways, pay increases happen over time. After step 4 or 5 on the pay scale, the salary isn't all that bad. All the teachers I know, and I do know many, all either own homes or rent a apartment, comfortably. I never met a homeless teacher.


I heard they all have refrigerators too! If anything they are overpaid!
 
2014-03-08 07:55:09 PM  

dantheman195: The best teachers in a district are the ones who do not discuss their salaries, who do not care if they pay $10 more week for their health benefits, the ones who don't care if the janitor might be making more money because of double overtime. They are the teachers who want to be teachers, not because of the salary, because they love what they do. They love the inspire, they love the creativity they can use, they are passionate about learning and growing young minds. And secretly they would do it free. I know those teachers, and they are the best asset a school district could ever have.


So you're saying that teachers shouldn't be paid what they're worth because underpaying them makes them better teachers?
Now THAT is the dumbest thing that's been on fark in a long time.
 
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