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2014-03-07 08:44:24 PM
But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.
 
2014-03-07 08:52:22 PM

miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.


Ding ding!
 
2014-03-07 09:22:24 PM
I know the fire code exists for a reason, but there are a lot worse places to be during a fire than in a pool.

/Yes, I know about the chemicals and the closed space and the filters
 
2014-03-07 09:23:01 PM
Cut the high beams off, hon!
 
2014-03-07 09:27:36 PM
"..eventually gave her a jacket..."


Sometimes I just hate people.  Eventually?  How dumb are people nowadays? Apparently, dumber than those flunkies who would say "Duuuuhhhyyaaa sowwy, bo-ahss"  yeah, those guys would have had the sense to give her a jacket immediately, unlike the faculty.

The people in the movie "Idiocracy" were smarter than this!
 
2014-03-07 09:28:01 PM
School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?
 
2014-03-07 09:29:01 PM
This must be the twist from "Frozen" I keep hearing about.
 
2014-03-07 09:29:51 PM
If she actually has frostbite then someone is in the shiat.
 
2014-03-07 09:30:22 PM
For a place where kids are supposed to learn, teachers and principals are some of the most illogical and stupid things ever to walk on two legs.
 
2014-03-07 09:30:25 PM
Every single regulation brings us farther from Somalia and closer to perfection.

Every. Single. One.

Do not think of them as "laws" think of them as "gifts".
 
2014-03-07 09:30:37 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?


Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.
 
2014-03-07 09:31:02 PM

miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.


Especially since his car is warm and dry. It would just lead to strong words in the staff room and flying accusations.
 
2014-03-07 09:31:18 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?


I agree, public education has turned into a joke

Abolish and start over

This time with common sense as the core instead of PC liberal BS
 
2014-03-07 09:31:34 PM
Fire the bastards. They forced a girl to stand outside barefoot in freezing weather and refused to offer her shelter. Fire them, no farking excuses.
 
2014-03-07 09:32:03 PM
This isn't 'Nam, there are rules.
 
2014-03-07 09:32:14 PM

miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.


Temptation, frustration
So bad it makes him cry
Wet bus stop, she's waiting
His car is warm and dry
 
2014-03-07 09:32:49 PM

The hopeless imp: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.


Crimea River Ok?

That has to be the dumbest freaken thing I have read on Fark in a long time

Good job, derpy
 
2014-03-07 09:32:53 PM

Crudbucket: miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.

Especially since his car is warm and dry. It would just lead to strong words in the staff room and flying accusations.


*Shakes tiny fist*
 
2014-03-07 09:33:49 PM

miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.


Stuff like this proves beyond any doubt that the purpose of our schools isn't for the purpose of education, but to train the future meatbots how to perform menial tasks on command and to never ever question the rules handed down by their superiors, no matter how ridiculous or even harmful they can be.
 
2014-03-07 09:35:45 PM

TV's Vinnie: miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.

Stuff like this proves beyond any doubt that the purpose of our schools isn't for the purpose of education, but to train the future meatbots how to perform menial tasks on command and to never ever question the rules handed down by their superiors, no matter how ridiculous or even harmful they can be.


"I never let my schooling get in the way of my education" Mark Twain, even he figured it out way back when that "Public Education" was a joke
 
2014-03-07 09:36:52 PM

dantheman195: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

I agree, public education has turned into a joke

Abolish and start over

This time with common sense as the core instead of PC liberal BS


Uh... yeah... ok

/get out of CPAC early, Ted?
 
2014-03-07 09:37:29 PM
Teachers make good money, and I frankly don't care for the oft repeated lie that they are all perpetual paupers.

And I have been good to the schools when I vote!  No more. Schools get more money, kids get dumber and meaner.

It's almost like many teachers are lazy authoritarians who didn't get as far as they had hoped and are getting their jollies with power trips one way or another with other people's children.
 
2014-03-07 09:37:59 PM

The hopeless imp: Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.


One of the most common reasons I heard among qualified teachers who chose to teach abroad was that they didn't want to have to deal with bullshiat regulations that don't let you put a freezing girl in your car with the heat on. The other were crappy pay and no respect.
 
2014-03-07 09:39:03 PM
Boo hoo; little 'flake got a little frostbite. It looks like she's still got all of her bits. When I was her age; I had to walk 20 miles, barefoot, uphill both ways, in the snow; while fighting Balrogs to get to school.
 
2014-03-07 09:40:29 PM

Brainsick: Crudbucket: miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.

Especially since his car is warm and dry. It would just lead to strong words in the staff room and flying accusations.

*Shakes tiny fist*


Both of you, do not stand so close to me.
 
2014-03-07 09:40:57 PM
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assets.nydailynews.com
 
2014-03-07 09:41:54 PM

The hopeless imp: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.


Where are you going to get a better wage for 180 days a year of work with full benefits, a pension, and only an English degree as qualifications?
 
2014-03-07 09:43:16 PM

miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.


Ignore written policy? Might as well update your resume.
 
2014-03-07 09:43:21 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I know the fire code exists for a reason, but there are a lot worse places to be during a fire than in a pool.

/Yes, I know about the chemicals and the closed space and the filters


You don't die from fire you die first from the toxic gases. A pool is no safer than anywhere else.
 
2014-03-07 09:43:53 PM
In my state, teachers start at 34K. That's with no previous service and just a BA.

I'd favor paying them much, much more, if the kids were actually learning.
 
2014-03-07 09:44:45 PM

Crudbucket: miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.

Especially since his car is warm and dry. It would just lead to strong words in the staff room and flying accusations.


LOL
 
2014-03-07 09:45:41 PM
well, on the bright side it looks as though St. Paul will be paying for her college.
 
2014-03-07 09:46:38 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: The hopeless imp: Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.

One of the most common reasons I heard among qualified teachers who chose to teach abroad was that they didn't want to have to deal with bullshiat regulations that don't let you put a freezing girl in your car with the heat on. The other were crappy pay and no respect.


I'd like to teach a broad; if you know what I mean.. And I think you do....
 
2014-03-07 09:50:07 PM
It happened around 8:30 a.m. Wednesday at Como Park High School in St. Paul


Back in the 80s we used to go to keg parties thrown by Como High upper class men.

They were held on Friday nights around a huge stone fire-pit, right in Como Park and along side the road (50 feet from the curb).  The cops would drive by numerous times during the party, but we were assured by the Como kids that they'd leave us alone (all 50 or so of us) until 11:30.

At 11:30 they'd make their final pass, but this time with the spot light on us and that was our notice to get the fark out.

Everyone left in an orderly fashion for various after-parties, because we were warned it meant our ass if we made the cops get out of their cars.

The cops in our own neighboring town were not nearly so obliging when it came to our parties.
 
2014-03-07 09:52:01 PM
In another article, a teacher told the students to get dressed then go outside. Two girls decided to not do that.
 
2014-03-07 09:53:40 PM

TomD9938: It happened around 8:30 a.m. Wednesday at Como Park High School in St. Paul


Back in the 80s we used to go to keg parties thrown by Como High upper class men.

They were held on Friday nights around a huge stone fire-pit, right in Como Park and along side the road (50 feet from the curb).  The cops would drive by numerous times during the party, but we were assured by the Como kids that they'd leave us alone (all 50 or so of us) until 11:30.

At 11:30 they'd make their final pass, but this time with the spot light on us and that was our notice to get the fark out.

Everyone left in an orderly fashion for various after-parties, because we were warned it meant our ass if we made the cops get out of their cars.

The cops in our own neighboring town were not nearly so obliging when it came to our parties.


Someone's dad was one of the cops.
 
2014-03-07 09:53:45 PM
Wait

Do you smell that


*sniff* *sniff*


Smells like a lawsuit to me
 
2014-03-07 09:54:19 PM
I remember a fire alarm during the middle of an upsate NY winter where we were rushed outside without coats.  Those kids who went out the back or side of the school were allowed to climb aboard buses parked behind the school, those of us who were out the front of the school were left out in the cold with nothing for almost an hour before they marched us back into the school gym.  There we were made to wait for a bus to take us home even if we walked to school, great except the damn bus dropped me off a lot further from my house than the school was from my home so I actually had to walk further without a coat.  I could have been home in ten minutes and warm instead of waiting and trudging through the cold.
 
2014-03-07 09:55:56 PM

dantheman195: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

I agree, public education has turned into a joke

Abolish and start over

This time with common sense as the core instead of PC liberal BS


Yeah! And none of that phony-baloney "science" bullshiat either! Creationism! Prayer every morning before the pledge! Goldarn PC liberals keeping God out of education, what's up with that? American Exceptionalism! None of that namby-pamby socialisms!

Is that the "common sense" you're talking about? And, by the way, are zero tolerance policies really the exclusive doing of PC liberals?
 
2014-03-07 09:56:33 PM

miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.


The legal theory is that just about anything is permissible in an emergency in order to prevent death or horrible injury. If she was outside in sub-zero weather in a wet bathing suit she was in immediate danger of death or frostbite.
QEDA (Quite Easy, Dumbass Administrator)
 
2014-03-07 09:59:53 PM

miss diminutive: But due to school policy, she wasn't allowed to sit in a faculty-member's car.

Sounds like someone should have just ignored the policy on compassionate grounds and sat her in the car for her own well being.

But then we'd probably be reading about how the teacher was fired due to the school's zero tolerance policy on student-teacher interactions outside the classroom, or some other such nonsense.


You nailed it
 
2014-03-07 10:00:25 PM

WelldeadLink: In another article, a teacher told the students to get dressed then go outside. Two girls decided to not do that.


Slamjob to deflect lawsuit begins.
 
2014-03-07 10:01:22 PM

Russ1642: TomD9938: It happened around 8:30 a.m. Wednesday at Como Park High School in St. Paul


Back in the 80s we used to go to keg parties thrown by Como High upper class men.

They were held on Friday nights around a huge stone fire-pit, right in Como Park and along side the road (50 feet from the curb).  The cops would drive by numerous times during the party, but we were assured by the Como kids that they'd leave us alone (all 50 or so of us) until 11:30.

At 11:30 they'd make their final pass, but this time with the spot light on us and that was our notice to get the fark out.

Everyone left in an orderly fashion for various after-parties, because we were warned it meant our ass if we made the cops get out of their cars.

The cops in our own neighboring town were not nearly so obliging when it came to our parties.

Someone's dad was one of the cops.



Could be.

We'd bring portable scanners to our parties in "the woods", just to give ourselves a head start in getting out of there.  Every party got busted in our town (a few miles north of Como / St Paul).

Good times.

/ Hot Tub Time Machine
 
2014-03-07 10:02:02 PM

meanmutton: The hopeless imp: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.

Where are you going to get a better wage for 180 days a year of work with full benefits, a pension, and only an English degree as qualifications?


That's rather impressive because my mother is tri-lingual (teaches Spanish and occasionally French) with a Masters degree and has taught for more than 35 years at the same school. She just barely clears 60,000 dollars and that's because the union's contract was reworked in the late 90s and she was kept on the old pay scale. She also works about 60 hours a week when you factor in grading, lesson prep, student email correspondence (private school-only email client), and all the administrative crap that has to be dealt with.

Enlighten us, Sparky. What do you do that makes my mother's job a walk in the park?
 
2014-03-07 10:02:03 PM

walktoanarcade: In my state, teachers start at 34K. That's with no previous service and just a BA.

I'd favor paying them much, much more, if the kids were actually learning.


If you think this has much to do with teachers, then you're sadly mistaken.

Parents are the reason why kids do poorly in school. When parents don't put an emphasis on getting good grades and don't regularly check up on their kids, there is very little even an excellent teacher can do.

I'm a pretty good example of this. I was a bright kid, with a mind that lends itself towards math and science (professionally, I run a software engineering company, and prior to that I've spent most of my life as a software developer).

But when I was in school, I'd be lucky enough to go a single quarter without half my grades being D's or C's.

People would say, "Well he's obviously just bored with the work." My parents used that a lot. Now that I'm an adult, I think they were just letting me (and them) off the hook. The truth is, they never really made it a big deal. They never really put in the effort to make me care about it and when left up to my own devices I'd rather poke around on my computer than do my school work.

I was capable of breezing through everything with minimal effort (and I often did, passing classes at the last minute by just acing exams and doing a couple of makeup assignments to pad the homework part of the grade). So, boredom or not, when something is that easy, why not do it? The answer is simple: I didn't care enough to do it and my folks never spent the time making me care.

Anyway, my point is - teachers are less of the "problem" with our schools than parents are. School is one of those activities that you're likely to get as much out of as you put in - rarely do we hear the story about the brilliant kid in America who was disadvantaged by having a crappy school. However, too frequently we hear stories about teachers struggling to deal with kids that are completely unmotivated to learn.

To me, this starts at home. If parents aren't motivating their kids to perform well in school, there is very little even the most talented teacher will be able to accomplish with them.
 
2014-03-07 10:05:50 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: meanmutton: The hopeless imp: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.

Where are you going to get a better wage for 180 days a year of work with full benefits, a pension, and only an English degree as qualifications?

That's rather impressive because my mother is tri-lingual (teaches Spanish and occasionally French) with a Masters degree and has taught for more than 35 years at the same school. She just barely clears 60,000 dollars and that's because the union's contract was reworked in the late 90s and she was kept on the old pay scale. She also works about 60 hours a week when you factor in grading, lesson prep, student email correspondence (private school-only email client), and all the administrative crap that has to be dealt with.

Enlighten us, Sparky. What do you do that makes my mother's job a walk in the park?


Anyone that actually knows someone who teaches knows that rant is bullsh*t

/my buddy and I watch football games and drink beer while his wife sits in the other room grading papers and preparing assignments on weekends
 
2014-03-07 10:05:59 PM

kling_klang_bed: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 278x400]

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Such a shame that at such a young age she has freaking udders.
 
2014-03-07 10:12:48 PM

TwistedFark: walktoanarcade: In my state, teachers start at 34K. That's with no previous service and just a BA.

I'd favor paying them much, much more, if the kids were actually learning.

If you think this has much to do with teachers, then you're sadly mistaken.

Parents are the reason why kids do poorly in school. When parents don't put an emphasis on getting good grades and don't regularly check up on their kids, there is very little even an excellent teacher can do.

I'm a pretty good example of this. I was a bright kid, with a mind that lends itself towards math and science (professionally, I run a software engineering company, and prior to that I've spent most of my life as a software developer).

But when I was in school, I'd be lucky enough to go a single quarter without half my grades being D's or C's.

People would say, "Well he's obviously just bored with the work." My parents used that a lot. Now that I'm an adult, I think they were just letting me (and them) off the hook. The truth is, they never really made it a big deal. They never really put in the effort to make me care about it and when left up to my own devices I'd rather poke around on my computer than do my school work.

I was capable of breezing through everything with minimal effort (and I often did, passing classes at the last minute by just acing exams and doing a couple of makeup assignments to pad the homework part of the grade). So, boredom or not, when something is that easy, why not do it? The answer is simple: I didn't care enough to do it and my folks never spent the time making me care.

Anyway, my point is - teachers are less of the "problem" with our schools than parents are. School is one of those activities that you're likely to get as much out of as you put in - rarely do we hear the story about the brilliant kid in America who was disadvantaged by having a crappy school. However, too frequently we hear stories about teachers struggling to deal with kids that are completely unmotivated to l ...


Ok, you won me over for the most part. However, I reserve my earlier sentiment for a growing minority of outrageous examples, that is, I think teachers are starting to not give a shiat too.

I'm not being snarky, I agree with you. I needed to hear that, I think. Yes, the kids do get what they put in and the parents need to parent-teach their children to shut the hell up when their teachers tell them to do so. And they need to be trained by their parents to pay attention more than ever before because I truly feel teachers are becoming lazy, as are many people.

I'm a lazy fark sometimes. I can admit it, and I don't teach, though.
 
2014-03-07 10:12:50 PM

OtherLittleGuy: WelldeadLink: In another article, a teacher told the students to get dressed then go outside. Two girls decided to not do that.

Slamjob to deflect lawsuit begins.


It's completely irrelevant whether the teacher had told them to get dressed. It's completely irrelevant whether it was a real fire or a drill. It's completely irrelevant ANYTHING except that the girl was wearing a bathing suit and it was below zero and there was a car she could have sat in; and "school policy" said "sorry, we can't do that," and every single adult went "okey-doke!" and let a CHILD stand in the freezing cold in a bathing suit. Because rules.

If anyone can think of a reason why that is okay, then you are as much to blame as the teachers, the school and the rest of them, and you should be ashamed of yourselves. And you deserve to be pulled over by mean cops at the earliest opportunity and strip-searched by the side of the road and you better let them do it, because rules.
 
2014-03-07 10:13:26 PM

OhioUGrad: kling_klang_bed: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 278x400]

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Such a shame that at such a young age she has freaking udders.


Hell, I'd happily milk those udders, and she can milk mine!

wodumedia.com
 
2014-03-07 10:20:01 PM
The zero tolerance problem of not letting teachers use their common sense notwithstanding,,,,

This was a drill.   What the fark was the person in charge (principle?) thinking of doing a fire drill when it was that cold outside.  The cold was bad enough to harm people in clothes.
 
2014-03-07 10:21:08 PM
<i>So she grabber her towel and went outside.</i>

lol..

why exactly are they not allowed to get inside a car for warmth?  Dumbass nation.
 
2014-03-07 10:22:30 PM

TheMysteriousStranger: The zero tolerance problem of not letting teachers use their common sense notwithstanding,,,,

This was a drill.   What the fark was the person in charge (principle?) thinking of doing a fire drill when it was that cold outside.  The cold was bad enough to harm people in clothes.


principal

/sorry had to
 
2014-03-07 10:24:05 PM
I stopped reading at "teenage girl" and "wet swimsuit".

What are all you guys talking about?

This is still Fark, right?
 
2014-03-07 10:26:23 PM
Hooray for zero tolerance.

Just give the teensicle some charts and graphs showing how statistically unlikely it was for her to be caught in that situation to keep her warm and comfortable, because for the most part the drills have not caused any of those problems.
 
2014-03-07 10:36:43 PM
in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

Regulations and laws are fine until they block someone from using common sense and doing the right thing.
 
2014-03-07 10:41:11 PM

grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.


Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car
 
2014-03-07 10:43:06 PM

walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car


You mean men and women have never participated in a three-way sexual assault before? It's like people are trained to trust two people simply because they're opposite genders.

/post the entire faculty in the car itself and then wrap the car in bubblewrap
 
2014-03-07 10:45:36 PM

Weatherkiss: walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car

You mean men and women have never participated in a three-way sexual assault before? It's like people are trained to trust two people simply because they're opposite genders.

/post the entire faculty in the car itself and then wrap the car in bubblewrap


+funny  You're right, but so am I. Men need not be vilified any more than others.

I think we both agree that the hysteria is the problem.
 
2014-03-07 10:46:26 PM

walktoanarcade: I think we both agree that the hysteria is the problem.


Winner winner chicken dinner.
 
2014-03-07 10:47:49 PM

dantheman195: The hopeless imp: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.

Crimea River Ok?

That has to be the dumbest freaken thing I have read on Fark in a long time

Good job, derpy


If the best and the brightest can find better paying jobs elsewhere, why would they work for shiat wages at a public school? Why would a PhD candidate work at McDonalds when she could be an associate professor at a private university?
 
2014-03-07 10:50:58 PM

Weatherkiss: walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car

You mean men and women have never participated in a three-way sexual assault before? It's like people are trained to trust two people simply because they're opposite genders.

/post the entire faculty in the car itself and then wrap the car in bubblewrap


Amateur.

Dress the girl in a hijab and keep her at home under lock and key til you can marry her off to a cousin.

It's the only way to be sure.
 
2014-03-07 10:55:21 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: [clip]


Where I live, the average (50th percentile) elementary school teacher makes $60k and the top 10% make $90k - teachers, not administrators.  That's not bad for someone with a BA (few have a masters).  As for hours, I don't know what they put it, but 36 weeks of work (180 days) at 60-hrs/wk would be the same as most of us putting in 43-hrs/wk for an entire year, so it's about equivalent to a regular full-time job.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not denigrating teachers or claiming that they don't do a very important job, I just don't buy into this whole "low pay" thing.  At least, it's hardly a universal truth in the USA.
 
2014-03-07 11:12:10 PM
Hmm, freezing outside or burning to death inside.  Tough call.

It's good that teachers eventually moved her into a warm car.  Wouldn't have hurt to do it sooner though.
 
2014-03-07 11:42:52 PM

walktoanarcade: In my state, teachers start at 34K. That's with no previous service and just a BA.

I'd favor paying them much, much more, if the kids were actually learning.


How about we let them teach, even if Johnny and Janie might flunk. Oh wait, the kids never fail, the teachers fail.
 
2014-03-07 11:47:55 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: I stopped reading at "teenage girl" and "wet swimsuit".

What are all you guys talking about?

This is still Fark, right?


Pics or you didn't fappin?
 
2014-03-07 11:49:49 PM

TwistedFark: When parents don't put an emphasis on getting good grades and don't regularly check up on their kids, there is very little even an excellent teacher can do.


Except it doesn't necessarily work that way.
 
2014-03-07 11:54:19 PM

ChubbyTiger: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: [clip]

Where I live, the average (50th percentile) elementary school teacher makes $60k and the top 10% make $90k - teachers, not administrators.  That's not bad for someone with a BA (few have a masters).  As for hours, I don't know what they put it, but 36 weeks of work (180 days) at 60-hrs/wk would be the same as most of us putting in 43-hrs/wk for an entire year, so it's about equivalent to a regular full-time job.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not denigrating teachers or claiming that they don't do a very important job, I just don't buy into this whole "low pay" thing.  At least, it's hardly a universal truth in the USA.


I agree, I don't buy it either, and haven't bought that teacher union nonsense for over a decade. Sure the salary isn't that great when you first start out, but must jobs/careers are that way anyways, pay increases happen over time. After step 4 or 5 on the pay scale, the salary isn't all that bad. All the teachers I know, and I do know many, all either own homes or rent a apartment, comfortably. I never met a homeless teacher.
 
2014-03-08 12:05:29 AM

rebelyell2006: dantheman195: The hopeless imp: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.

Crimea River Ok?

That has to be the dumbest freaken thing I have read on Fark in a long time

Good job, derpy

If the best and the brightest can find better paying jobs elsewhere, why would they work for shiat wages at a public school? Why would a PhD candidate work at McDonalds when she could be an associate professor at a private university?


The best and brightest are not always looking for the highest paid jobs either. Most start their own businesses, some do charity work, some do research and some become teachers. People still take high school math and science teaching jobs because that is what they want to do, not because the pay is great. They could get better paying jobs in their fields of study.

So saying that we have a bunch of numpties as teachers and school administrators because we don't attract quality teachers/administrators because of low salaries is insulting.

The best teachers in a district are the ones who do not discuss their salaries, who do not care if they pay $10 more week for their health benefits, the ones who don't care if the janitor might be making more money because of double overtime. They are the teachers who want to be teachers, not because of the salary, because they love what they do. They love the inspire, they love the creativity they can use, they are passionate about learning and growing young minds. And secretly they would do it free. I know those teachers, and they are the best asset a school district could ever have.
 
2014-03-08 12:27:58 AM

Weatherkiss: walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car

You mean men and women have never participated in a three-way sexual assault before? It's like people are trained to trust two people simply because they're opposite genders.

/post the entire faculty in the car itself and then wrap the car in bubblewrap


The child has a plastic allergy. That would endanger her life.
 
2014-03-08 12:33:28 AM

walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car


eh fair enough, i only said female as it would be less likely any one would complain.
 
2014-03-08 12:34:42 AM

dantheman195: ChubbyTiger: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: [clip]

Where I live, the average (50th percentile) elementary school teacher makes $60k and the top 10% make $90k - teachers, not administrators.  That's not bad for someone with a BA (few have a masters).  As for hours, I don't know what they put it, but 36 weeks of work (180 days) at 60-hrs/wk would be the same as most of us putting in 43-hrs/wk for an entire year, so it's about equivalent to a regular full-time job.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not denigrating teachers or claiming that they don't do a very important job, I just don't buy into this whole "low pay" thing.  At least, it's hardly a universal truth in the USA.

I agree, I don't buy it either, and haven't bought that teacher union nonsense for over a decade. Sure the salary isn't that great when you first start out, but must jobs/careers are that way anyways, pay increases happen over time. After step 4 or 5 on the pay scale, the salary isn't all that bad. All the teachers I know, and I do know many, all either own homes or rent a apartment, comfortably. I never met a homeless teacher.




And every holiday off. Plus Spring break. Plus Fall break.
 
2014-03-08 12:38:37 AM
"Eventually" gave her their coat. Seriously? Sadly, due to the pussification of America, I guess there were no real men to be found to give her their coats on the spot. Pathetic.

Something tells me she could have had plenty of time to get dressed, I mean, it's not like fire is particularly fast or even faster than say... a leisurely stroll's pace.
 
2014-03-08 12:40:40 AM

grimlock1972: walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car

eh fair enough, i only said female as it would be less likely any one would complain.


Yeah, I know, but I felt I had to stick up for up men folk.  I wasn't getting pissy.
 
2014-03-08 12:43:32 AM

OhioUGrad: kling_klang_bed: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 278x400]

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x953]

Such a shame that at such a young age she has freaking udders.


It's okay man. You can just come out of the closet and say it now. It's 2014 you know.
 
2014-03-08 01:09:50 AM

walktoanarcade: "..eventually gave her a jacket..."


Sometimes I just hate people.  Eventually?  How dumb are people nowadays? Apparently, dumber than those flunkies who would say "Duuuuhhhyyaaa sowwy, bo-ahss"  yeah, those guys would have had the sense to give her a jacket immediately, unlike the faculty.

The people in the movie "Idiocracy" were smarter than this!


In a decent world every student out there would have looked the teachers right in the eyes, said "you're awful people", and given the girl a coat until she was safely warm in a pile of coats while 20 or so freezing, shivering kids stared at the teachers in contempt until the teachers, fearing being lynched, let everyone back inside.

Alternatively, I'm amazed not one teenage boy had the intelligence to offer her his coat and shoes. Come on dudes, that was the perfect opportunity!
 
2014-03-08 01:09:52 AM

walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: walktoanarcade: grimlock1972: in this case i say damn the regulation, put the girl in a car, no one else in the car.  Put a female staff member by the car to keep an eye on her.

.

Why? Lesbians don't exist and female teachers are never lesbians who act on their impulses just like the straight men?

I mean it, it's like people are trained to distrust men and trust women blindly.

/post both sexes near the car

eh fair enough, i only said female as it would be less likely any one would complain.

Yeah, I know, but I felt I had to stick up for up men folk.  I wasn't getting pissy.


no sweat man, and i agree with you, its just that my flame retardant boxers are dirty so i need to avoid flames.
 
2014-03-08 01:11:13 AM
Ignoring for a moment the rules. If this was a drill for preparing for an actual emergency they get a fat F for taking it seriously. Honestly if you've got 30 kids to a teacher then that's two rows of 15 and each group is aligned sitting down in the evacuation area. The first thing you do is take roll and evaluate any missing, injured, etc. Right? RIGHT!?

Well, what if someone is under protected in 10 degree weather? What's your plan? If you would do it in a real situation, do it now. Train like you fight to fight like you train. Don't let the first time you take it seriously and think of solutions of common issues be a real emergency.
 
2014-03-08 01:11:34 AM

That Guy Jeff: walktoanarcade: "..eventually gave her a jacket..."


Sometimes I just hate people.  Eventually?  How dumb are people nowadays? Apparently, dumber than those flunkies who would say "Duuuuhhhyyaaa sowwy, bo-ahss"  yeah, those guys would have had the sense to give her a jacket immediately, unlike the faculty.

The people in the movie "Idiocracy" were smarter than this!

In a decent world every student out there would have looked the teachers right in the eyes, said "you're awful people", and given the girl a coat until she was safely warm in a pile of coats while 20 or so freezing, shivering kids stared at the teachers in contempt until the teachers, fearing being lynched, let everyone back inside.

Alternatively, I'm amazed not one teenage boy had the intelligence to offer her his coat and shoes. Come on dudes, that was the perfect opportunity!


Seriously!
 
2014-03-08 02:32:39 AM
It sounded like the teacher didn't know it was a drill. Even if he did, you don't really have much of a choice, you have to get out. It's not an option. You do fire drills to prepare for the unexpected. Like wtf you do with a kid who is in a wet bathing suit in sub-zero temperatures.

Given that the school has a swimming pool, and they're in Minnesota, it's asinine they don't have a policy for this. It's not exactly an unheard of situation.

Staff should have ignored rules about students in car in this case. I can't imagine not doing so and I have a nice, new vehicle. I'd never on my life have gotten in the vehicle with the girl in the swimsuit but put a trustworthy friend of the girl's in there with her.
 
2014-03-08 03:05:07 AM
When I was in college the dorms had just been fitted with new fire alarms that were really touchy.  A couple times a week we'd be out in the quad in our pajamas, often in very cold weather.  (The R.A.'s would sweep the rooms, and if anyone was still inside you could face really severe penalties).  What's worse is our school was kind of strict on security, with night desks for anyone signing in after 10, and the night  clerks in the other buildings wouldn't even let you stand inside the door.  I was lucky.  Because my room was right next to the door on the ground floor I had a few extra seconds to get outside, which meant I could get pants and something on my feet, and sometimes grab a jacket.  The night clerks really ticked me off though.
 
2014-03-08 03:15:00 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?


I'm a homeschooler. I like your idea.
 
2014-03-08 03:43:43 AM
I have no sympathy for sheep who do everything that they're told. By the time I was 14, I had the balls to tell teachers to STFU and GBTW.
 
2014-03-08 03:48:19 AM

MediaAreAllHacks: It sounded like the teacher didn't know it was a drill. Even if he did, you don't really have much of a choice, you have to get out. It's not an option. You do fire drills to prepare for the unexpected. Like wtf you do with a kid who is in a wet bathing suit in sub-zero temperatures.

Given that the school has a swimming pool, and they're in Minnesota, it's asinine they don't have a policy for this. It's not exactly an unheard of situation.

Staff should have ignored rules about students in car in this case. I can't imagine not doing so and I have a nice, new vehicle. I'd never on my life have gotten in the vehicle with the girl in the swimsuit but put a trustworthy friend of the girl's in there with her.


Almost ANYTHING is better than standing around with your thumb up your ass waiting for approval.

Unfortunately, this is the environment we get with lawsuit-happy parents, lawsuit-phobic staff, and the common American trait of installing the loudest, dumbest, and laziest to positions of authority. It's been so deeply entrenched since the 80's that it's going to be decades before it can be dismantled.
 
2014-03-08 03:52:23 AM

MediaAreAllHacks: Staff should have ignored rules about students in car in this case. I can't imagine not doing so and I have a nice, new vehicle. I'd never on my life have gotten in the vehicle with the girl in the swimsuit but put a trustworthy friend of the girl's in there with her.


Which is what happened.
 
2014-03-08 04:10:27 AM

Terrible Old Man: OhioUGrad: kling_klang_bed: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 278x400]

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x953]

Such a shame that at such a young age she has freaking udders.

It's okay man. You can just come out of the closet and say it now. It's 2014 you know.


Say what? That a 21 year old shouldn't have such saggy titties? Okay, a 21 year old shouldn't have such saggy titties.
 
2014-03-08 06:56:43 AM
Who is the idiot that didn't just say 'hey its a drill, just wait inside by the door were we can see you until its over.'
 
2014-03-08 07:08:39 AM

Gyrfalcon: OtherLittleGuy: WelldeadLink: In another article, a teacher told the students to get dressed then go outside. Two girls decided to not do that.

Slamjob to deflect lawsuit begins.

It's completely irrelevant whether the teacher had told them to get dressed. It's completely irrelevant whether it was a real fire or a drill. It's completely irrelevant ANYTHING except that the girl was wearing a bathing suit and it was below zero and there was a car she could have sat in; and "school policy" said "sorry, we can't do that," and every single adult went "okey-doke!" and let a CHILD stand in the freezing cold in a bathing suit. Because rules.

If anyone can think of a reason why that is okay, then you are as much to blame as the teachers, the school and the rest of them, and you should be ashamed of yourselves. And you deserve to be pulled over by mean cops at the earliest opportunity and strip-searched by the side of the road and you better let them do it, because rules.


I think its a bit relevant its a drill. The point of a drill is to prepare not to escape an immediate danger. Saying 'hey this girl has no shoes on, let's leave her in the school and discuss how we can handle this in the future' is fine in a drill. In a real fire that's not an option and the staff making sure everyone is accounted for vs trying to find a car is a bit more forgivable in the cchaos. Now if every time they drill they just leave everyone inside who isn't properly dressed that is an issue, but one time because you obviously don't have a policy in place? Sure why not
 
2014-03-08 08:36:51 AM
This thread needs more snowy swimsuit pics..
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2014-03-08 08:47:59 AM

Gyrfalcon: OtherLittleGuy: WelldeadLink: In another article, a teacher told the students to get dressed then go outside. Two girls decided to not do that.

Slamjob to deflect lawsuit begins.

It's completely irrelevant whether the teacher had told them to get dressed. It's completely irrelevant whether it was a real fire or a drill. It's completely irrelevant ANYTHING except that the girl was wearing a bathing suit and it was below zero and there was a car she could have sat in; and "school policy" said "sorry, we can't do that," and every single adult went "okey-doke!" and let a CHILD stand in the freezing cold in a bathing suit. Because rules.

If anyone can think of a reason why that is okay, then you are as much to blame as the teachers, the school and the rest of them, and you should be ashamed of yourselves. And you deserve to be pulled over by mean cops at the earliest opportunity and strip-searched by the side of the road and you better let them do it, because rules.


Do you know how many lawsuits schools get?

Any sort of law to reduce the rules must also include some sort of judicial reform limiting certain suits in specific conditions.
 
2014-03-08 12:53:52 PM
It doesn't have to make sense because IT'S SCHOOL POLICY.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-08 12:54:37 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-08 02:58:55 PM
The larger issue is that kids need to learn to take care of themselves, and that this puts a lie to AGW.  A little bit of collateral damage is an acceptable price to pay if it can help free us from the madness of scientists spreading their self-serving lies just to get more research funds from ACORN.
 
2014-03-08 06:43:12 PM

meanmutton: The hopeless imp: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

Public education isn't the problem, it's the people willing to work for the low salaries because nobody wants to pay higher taxes to support it.

Where are you going to get a better wage for 180 days a year of work with full benefits, a pension, and only an English degree as qualifications?


Ask that of any math or science teacher. .. How much can you make with a math or science degree?
 
2014-03-08 06:43:51 PM

dantheman195: MaudlinMutantMollusk: School administrators are getting to be so bad it makes me think we SHOULD do away with public education

/make parents responsible for educating their own spawn
//if they can't pass a GED test by 18, kid gets drafted and parents get fined
///why no... I don't have kids. Why do you ask?

I agree, public education has turned into a joke

Abolish and start over

This time with common sense as the core instead of PC liberal BS


And protection from litigation?
 
2014-03-08 06:47:52 PM

dantheman195: ChubbyTiger: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: [clip]

Where I live, the average (50th percentile) elementary school teacher makes $60k and the top 10% make $90k - teachers, not administrators.  That's not bad for someone with a BA (few have a masters).  As for hours, I don't know what they put it, but 36 weeks of work (180 days) at 60-hrs/wk would be the same as most of us putting in 43-hrs/wk for an entire year, so it's about equivalent to a regular full-time job.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not denigrating teachers or claiming that they don't do a very important job, I just don't buy into this whole "low pay" thing.  At least, it's hardly a universal truth in the USA.

I agree, I don't buy it either, and haven't bought that teacher union nonsense for over a decade. Sure the salary isn't that great when you first start out, but must jobs/careers are that way anyways, pay increases happen over time. After step 4 or 5 on the pay scale, the salary isn't all that bad. All the teachers I know, and I do know many, all either own homes or rent a apartment, comfortably. I never met a homeless teacher.


I heard they all have refrigerators too! If anything they are overpaid!
 
2014-03-08 07:55:09 PM

dantheman195: The best teachers in a district are the ones who do not discuss their salaries, who do not care if they pay $10 more week for their health benefits, the ones who don't care if the janitor might be making more money because of double overtime. They are the teachers who want to be teachers, not because of the salary, because they love what they do. They love the inspire, they love the creativity they can use, they are passionate about learning and growing young minds. And secretly they would do it free. I know those teachers, and they are the best asset a school district could ever have.


So you're saying that teachers shouldn't be paid what they're worth because underpaying them makes them better teachers?
Now THAT is the dumbest thing that's been on fark in a long time.
 
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