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(Examiner)   Woman sorting clothes at a Unique Thrift Shop in Chicago when gun drops out of clothes, accidentally fires and kills her   (examiner.com) divider line 106
    More: Sad, Unique Thrift, Far South Side, Chicago, eternal flame, clothing  
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2014-03-08 08:51:48 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /not to mention that the cops aren't going to get a search warrant for a gun on the basis of "owns a safe"


You really believe that? Really?
 
2014-03-08 10:09:25 PM  

feckingmorons: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /not to mention that the cops aren't going to get a search warrant for a gun on the basis of "owns a safe"

You really believe that? Really?


Yes. Linking to an article about the fact that cops are dishonest (a) has nothing to do with which lies will get them a warrant and (b) undercuts your own argument by pointing out that they could just lie and say they saw a reason to search whether they did or not. People keep all kinds of shiat in safes; cops don't get to go on a fishing expedition for illegal guns just because they say they saw a safe in someone's house.

And the reason that was a slashie is that it wasn't necessary to the point I was making: EVEN IF owning a safe were grounds for a search warrant, it is not particularly difficult (and generally a good idea anyway) to keep a safe that they wouldn't see without searching in the first place, or to otherwise secure a pistolwithout it being obvious to anyone who takes a cursory look around that you have a pistol. Do you deny that? Are you seriously saying you would have trouble doing that?
 
2014-03-08 10:55:27 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: feckingmorons: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /not to mention that the cops aren't going to get a search warrant for a gun on the basis of "owns a safe"

You really believe that? Really?

Yes. Linking to an article about the fact that cops are dishonest (a) has nothing to do with which lies will get them a warrant and (b) undercuts your own argument by pointing out that they could just lie and say they saw a reason to search whether they did or not. People keep all kinds of shiat in safes; cops don't get to go on a fishing expedition for illegal guns just because they say they saw a safe in someone's house.

And the reason that was a slashie is that it wasn't necessary to the point I was making: EVEN IF owning a safe were grounds for a search warrant, it is not particularly difficult (and generally a good idea anyway) to keep a safe that they wouldn't see without searching in the first place, or to otherwise secure a pistolwithout it being obvious to anyone who takes a cursory look around that you have a pistol. Do you deny that? Are you seriously saying you would have trouble doing that?


The post was about Chicago cops specifically as this story is from Chicago.

I have a finger combo gun safe in my bedroom in plain view. Sure it is bolted to the side of a dresser so it would be hard to steal, but if the cops came by to investigate some crime and saw that they would know I owned guns.

Of course I don't live in Chicago so I'm not worried about them knowing that.
 
2014-03-09 12:46:21 AM  

feckingmorons: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: feckingmorons: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /not to mention that the cops aren't going to get a search warrant for a gun on the basis of "owns a safe"

You really believe that? Really?

Yes. Linking to an article about the fact that cops are dishonest (a) has nothing to do with which lies will get them a warrant and (b) undercuts your own argument by pointing out that they could just lie and say they saw a reason to search whether they did or not. People keep all kinds of shiat in safes; cops don't get to go on a fishing expedition for illegal guns just because they say they saw a safe in someone's house.

And the reason that was a slashie is that it wasn't necessary to the point I was making: EVEN IF owning a safe were grounds for a search warrant, it is not particularly difficult (and generally a good idea anyway) to keep a safe that they wouldn't see without searching in the first place, or to otherwise secure a pistolwithout it being obvious to anyone who takes a cursory look around that you have a pistol. Do you deny that? Are you seriously saying you would have trouble doing that?

The post was about Chicago cops specifically as this story is from Chicago.

I have a finger combo gun safe in my bedroom in plain view. Sure it is bolted to the side of a dresser so it would be hard to steal, but if the cops came by to investigate some crime and saw that they would know I owned guns.

Of course I don't live in Chicago so I'm not worried about them knowing that.


Sure, but you don't HAVE to have it bolted to the side of your dresser in plain view. You COULD have it any number of other places that aren't in plain view. And if you DID live in Chicago and WERE worried about leaving a gun safe in plain sight, THAT would be a far more sensible thing to do than loading it and tossing it in the sock drawer with no lock of any kind.
 
2014-03-09 01:57:21 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Sure, but you don't HAVE to have it bolted to the side of your dresser in plain view. You COULD have it any number of other places that aren't in plain view. And if you DID live in Chicago and WERE worried about leaving a gun safe in plain sight, THAT would be a far more sensible thing to do than loading it and tossing it in the sock drawer with no lock of any kind.


I wouldn't live in Chicago, their gun laws are absurd. That is why I don't live in NYC, where my job is based, well that and I don't pay NY income tax by living in Florida.
 
2014-03-09 07:58:37 AM  

feckingmorons: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Sure, but you don't HAVE to have it bolted to the side of your dresser in plain view. You COULD have it any number of other places that aren't in plain view. And if you DID live in Chicago and WERE worried about leaving a gun safe in plain sight, THAT would be a far more sensible thing to do than loading it and tossing it in the sock drawer with no lock of any kind.

I wouldn't live in Chicago, their gun laws are absurd. That is why I don't live in NYC, where my job is based, well that and I don't pay NY income tax by living in Florida.


Okaaaay. You don't have to pretend not to understand just to avoid conceding a point. It's only a conversation. Anyway, I'm out, thanks for the discussion.
 
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