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2014-03-07 07:41:09 PM  
He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.
 
2014-03-07 08:22:40 PM  
Well that was certainly unique.
 
2014-03-07 08:25:58 PM  
Hm. Yeah, that sounds about right. My guns are always just accidentally going off without the trigger being pulled. They're a danger, really.
 
2014-03-07 08:29:01 PM  
What kind of gun fits in a sock? A derringer maybe?
 
2014-03-07 08:40:26 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: What kind of gun fits in a sock? A derringer maybe?


AK47

i159.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-07 09:10:46 PM  

feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.


It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.
 
2014-03-07 09:58:56 PM  
Walk into the afterlife like, "what up? "I gotta big cock." Nah, I'm just shot by a gun in a thrift shop.
 
2014-03-07 10:09:25 PM  

Shostie: Walk into the afterlife like, "what up? "I gotta big cock." Nah, I'm just shot by a gun in a thrift shop.


My aborted attempt to use that song in this thread pales in comparison.

+1
 
2014-03-07 10:09:45 PM  
The shiat which does elimination from the bull.
 
2014-03-07 10:13:12 PM  
Guns don't kill people.
 
2014-03-07 10:13:49 PM  
If only she had had a gun of her own, then she would have been able to protect herself from the... the...

...pile of... clothes...?
 
2014-03-07 10:13:56 PM  

DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.


Hmmm... you're not new to Fark.
 
2014-03-07 10:14:06 PM  

DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.


Yep.

The gun nuts have gotta have their say because GUNZ!
 
2014-03-07 10:16:47 PM  
The odds of this happening have to be less than winning a world-wide lottery or being struck by lightening 100 times. Seems fishy.
 
2014-03-07 10:18:33 PM  

feckingmorons: Old_Chief_Scott: What kind of gun fits in a sock? A derringer maybe?

AK47

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jeez, I dunno, an AK-47?
 
2014-03-07 10:19:03 PM  
Another responsible gun owner keeping strict track of where their weapons are at all times.
 
2014-03-07 10:19:48 PM  
damn you macklemore..he said he was going to pop some tags.

the signs were there.
 
2014-03-07 10:20:31 PM  
Cause of death: Sockgun.
 
2014-03-07 10:21:58 PM  
There's a sale at Boomingdales!
 
2014-03-07 10:22:08 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: What kind of gun fits in a sock? A derringer maybe?


Article said it was a .22. You can get them pretty small, like 3-4" long and under 2 inches tal. That would fit pretty easily in a sock.
 
2014-03-07 10:22:17 PM  

Gyrfalcon: DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.

Yep.

The gun nuts have gotta have their say because GUNZ!


yes, no one else on fark ever calls bullshiat on anything they have knowledge about.
 
2014-03-07 10:22:34 PM  
I'm gonna pop some caps.
 
2014-03-07 10:22:58 PM  

feckingmorons: Old_Chief_Scott: What kind of gun fits in a sock? A derringer maybe?

AK47

[i159.photobucket.com image 400x600]


And, equally obligatory:
i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-07 10:25:34 PM  
If only there were gun laws in Chicago!!!
 
2014-03-07 10:26:01 PM  
"Accidental" gun death in Chicago? Happens all the time. It's the mafia way.

/She knew too much
 
2014-03-07 10:26:49 PM  
"I dropped the gun when it accidentally went off" and "I was just cleaning the gun when it accidentally went off" sure do cause a lot of injuries.
 
2014-03-07 10:28:52 PM  
A .22? I'm suprised she didn't mistake it for a mosquito bite or a spitball.
 
2014-03-07 10:31:16 PM  
bullshiat.
 
2014-03-07 10:32:26 PM  

Twitch Boy: I'm gonna pop some caps.


Only got a .22 in my pocket...
 
2014-03-07 10:33:18 PM  

i_dig_chicks: Guns don't kill people.


They do now.
 
2014-03-07 10:33:52 PM  
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I guess if it was something like this with no trigger guard it's believable.
 
2014-03-07 10:34:25 PM  

nytmare: "I dropped the gun when it accidentally went off" and "I was just cleaning the gun when it accidentally went off" sure do cause a lot of injuries.


This is the first time, I think, that I've ever heard of it actually happening.
 
2014-03-07 10:35:00 PM  

feckingmorons: That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.


I lose socks all the time. And occasionally a pistol or two.
 
2014-03-07 10:38:23 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: What kind of gun fits in a sock? A derringer maybe?


i2.cdn.turner.com

Lethal Weapon.


/for ants
 
2014-03-07 10:39:06 PM  

Gyrfalcon: nytmare: "I dropped the gun when it accidentally went off" and "I was just cleaning the gun when it accidentally went off" sure do cause a lot of injuries.

This is the first time, I think, that I've ever heard of it actually happening.


But guns don't simply go off. They are inanimate, someone must have caused the gun to fire accidentally. I'm certain it was a tragic accident, but the gun wasn't simply motionless in a pile of clothing when it spontaneously discharged. I don't fault the person that shot her, I think more of the blame lies on the idiot who hid the gun in a sock.

Perhaps if Chicagoland's gun laws were more in line with the rest of the nation they wouldn't have felt the need to hide their gun assuming it was otherwise lawfully owned.
 
2014-03-07 10:39:20 PM  
Police are questioning some bad fashion choices.

/too soon?
 
2014-03-07 10:39:26 PM  

DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.


Or it could be foul play, which was his point, and was totally germane to any investigation of a death.

Also, stories sometimes run with incomplete or misleading details for a host of reasons, not the least of which is the police attempting to keep the perp from knowing he's under investigation until they have justification to charge him.

You probably understand these concepts, but were too busy salivating over a chance to be an ass to give it much thought.
 
2014-03-07 10:42:57 PM  

Saturn5: I guess if it was something like this with no trigger guard it's believable.


Probably more accidental discharges than a fifteen year old boy.
 
2014-03-07 10:45:49 PM  
"It accidentally went off when I cocked the hammer and pulled trigger" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
 
2014-03-07 10:50:05 PM  

DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.



Correct. The quirky and improbable story of how the gun came to be present and discharge is virtually the entire reason that this is farkworthy in the first place.
 
2014-03-07 10:50:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.

Yep.

The gun nuts have gotta have their say because GUNZ!


Not a gun nut here. Don't own any, don't want to own any, have enjoyed shooting, however. And I don't see ANYONE here saying that the article is absolutely wrong. What I see is this: A small caliber handgun just HAPPENED to drop out of something, then land in some guy's hand, and somehow malfunction after landing in his hand- a soft, shock absorbing surface, such that it fired, and was pointed in the victim's direction at something vital enough to kill her. With a .22. Which essentially means "square in the brain" or "dead center in the heart." While this is certainly possible, it's very unlikely. Now, there ARE a good number of cheap guns out there that are capable of firing if subjected to a severe shock (modern guns have to pass a "drop test" if their design includes a firing pin that isn't mechanically restrained from contacting the cartridge when not being fired) But a drop into a hand shouldn't be able to cause that much of a shock. if somehow the gun fell such that the trigger landed on his finger- unlikely since the gun most likely has a trigger guard-) an unmodified trigger should not be able to be pulled with that little force.

Now, this is pure guesswork. But something certainly sounds fishy as hell here. Again- what was said in the article is possible- just like it's possible that I could get struck by lightning 8 times in a row in the same place, and survive it. it's not real likely.
 
2014-03-07 11:00:23 PM  

Greek: Not a gun nut here. Don't own any, don't want to own any, have enjoyed shooting, however. And I don't see ANYONE here saying that the article is absolutely wrong. What I see is this: A small caliber handgun just HAPPENED to drop out of something, then land in some guy's hand, and somehow malfunction after landing in his hand- a soft, shock absorbing surface, such that it fired, and was pointed in the victim's direction at something vital enough to kill her. With a .22. Which essentially means "square in the brain" or "dead center in the heart." While this is certainly possible, it's very unlikely. Now, there ARE a good number of cheap guns out there that are capable of firing if subjected to a severe shock (modern guns have to pass a "drop test" if their design includes a firing pin that isn't mechanically restrained from contacting the cartridge when not being fired) But a drop into a hand shouldn't be able to cause that much of a shock. if somehow the gun fell such that the trigger landed on his finger- unlikely since the gun most likely has a trigger guard-) an unmodified trigger should not be able to be pulled with that little force.

Now, this is pure guesswork. But something certainly sounds fishy as hell here. Again- what was said in the article is possible- just like it's possible that I could get struck by lightning 8 times in a row in the same place, and survive it. it's not real likely.


This.  And if the gun fell on it's trigger the bullet would be heading down, not towards someone else.
 
2014-03-07 11:06:25 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.


Correct. The quirky and improbable story of how the gun came to be present and discharge is virtually the entire reason that this is farkworthy in the first place.


Regarding how the gun came to go off "accidentally" and such, I'm given to think that even Farkers with a great deal of experience in these things have as little to do with real POS firearms as possible, and for good reasons. But isn't there a fairly substantial strata of truly crap cheap handguns out there (and likely poorly maintained to boot) that actually can go off with very little prompting? Say, the kind that might be left loaded in a sock that was given to Goodwill?
 
2014-03-07 11:28:41 PM  

DrBenway: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.


Correct. The quirky and improbable story of how the gun came to be present and discharge is virtually the entire reason that this is farkworthy in the first place.

Regarding how the gun came to go off "accidentally" and such, I'm given to think that even Farkers with a great deal of experience in these things have as little to do with real POS firearms as possible, and for good reasons. But isn't there a fairly substantial strata of truly crap cheap handguns out there (and likely poorly maintained to boot) that actually can go off with very little prompting? Say, the kind that might be left loaded in a sock that was given to Goodwill?


No, not really.
 
2014-03-07 11:34:31 PM  
Who among us men hasn't had their gun discharge in the vicinity of a sock.
 
2014-03-07 11:39:58 PM  

laid back w/bud light: Who among us men hasn't had their gun discharge in the vicinity of a sock.


Doesn't it take years for HIV to kill someone after that kind of gun discharges?

/LOL, by the way.
 
2014-03-07 11:44:20 PM  

jso2897: And, equally obligatory:
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As an NRA member, I have to say I *have* noticed Cat Fancy getting a little too lib for my tastes...




Someone will believe this is true.
 
2014-03-07 11:44:53 PM  
The gun be like "I'm gonna pop some hag..."
 
2014-03-07 11:47:15 PM  
There are over four million Google hits for the phrase "gun went off."
 
2014-03-07 11:49:31 PM  

DrBenway: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.


Correct. The quirky and improbable story of how the gun came to be present and discharge is virtually the entire reason that this is farkworthy in the first place.

Regarding how the gun came to go off "accidentally" and such, I'm given to think that even Farkers with a great deal of experience in these things have as little to do with real POS firearms as possible, and for good reasons. But isn't there a fairly substantial strata of truly crap cheap handguns out there (and likely poorly maintained to boot) that actually can go off with very little prompting? Say, the kind that might be left loaded in a sock that was given to Goodwill?


Possible, but very unlikely.  The cheaper the pistol, the shiattier the trigger (lots of travel required for discharge, or requires more force than is conducive to decent accuracy to make it go off)  People pay a lot of money to have gunsmiths make their triggers have less travel and require less force.  The exact opposite of a knock off "deRRinger" somebody left in a sock.
 
2014-03-08 12:04:22 AM  

jso2897: feckingmorons: Old_Chief_Scott: What kind of gun fits in a sock? A derringer maybe?

AK47

[i159.photobucket.com image 400x600]

And, equally obligatory:
[i18.photobucket.com image 512x464]


We're not all paintable with that brush. Most of the people the NRA trots out are certifiable and those are the times I'm embarrassed to be a member.
 
2014-03-08 12:10:20 AM  
There are some cheap-ass little "Saturday night special" pistols that are very unsafe. Jimenez, Bryco, Jennings etc. From what I gather if there was a round chambered and the safety was off (or if there wasn't one) some things might go off if you bump them; the ones that go off in people's pockets and put holes in their legs are probably those. I don't know much about them except to avoid them, and I certainly wouldn't use one for a self-defense weapon if you gave it to me free.

If you find one and have to kill somebody you won't regret throwing it in the river or burying it afterward, or if you're a cop and want to claim self-defense they're great for throw-downs. (Or so I read.) Don't waste any money on one, and don't rely on it.

If you want something cheap (but not tiny) buy a Hi-Point. They run about $160, more for a red-dot laser attachment; I saw one used for $115 recently and a few months ago there was a used one for $150 including a red-dot. A lot of people put them down because they're ugly and they don't believe anything at that price can be any good, but from what I gather from people who've actually fired them they're not prone to mishaps and they do reliably and accurately fire bullets through the barrel.

What I want is one of those old Mosin-Nagants. I doubt a 5' long bolt-action rifle would make a good home defense weapon but I hear they're great if you don't have more than $200 to spend and need to shoot a zombie through the head from 1/4 mile away.

Buy the way, I love to drool over things that don't cost very much but that are still a wee bit out of my range. EIP if you'd like to see a list of things you could make me happy with for less than $200. And today really is my 51st birthday, by the way.


/ No Farker's ever sent me money or thrown me a fark from these SUBTLE HINTS of mine but they don't cost me anything and I'm pretty shameless anyway. The maximum dose of two antidepressants can cure a person's shyness even without lots of coffee and vodka.

// And in my profile I show my BOOBIES!
 
2014-03-08 12:20:25 AM  

GungFu: Old_Chief_Scott: What kind of gun fits in a sock? A derringer maybe?

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

Lethal Weapon.


/for ants


www.biography.com
^ says "screw you"
 
2014-03-08 12:23:24 AM  

Fat Man Of La Mancha: A .22? I'm suprised she didn't mistake it for a mosquito bite or a spitball.


I've cleaned the blood from someone killed by a .22 that misfired and jammed in the breach. They were back at someone's house and the amateur gunsmith was on the toilet while someone was fiddling with the cheap rifle and the round went off. Clipped Copper in the throat, bled out before paramedics arrived.

/Oxyclean lived up to their promisses that night.
 
2014-03-08 12:40:37 AM  

thisisarepeat: DrBenway: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.


Correct. The quirky and improbable story of how the gun came to be present and discharge is virtually the entire reason that this is farkworthy in the first place.

Regarding how the gun came to go off "accidentally" and such, I'm given to think that even Farkers with a great deal of experience in these things have as little to do with real POS firearms as possible, and for good reasons. But isn't there a fairly substantial strata of truly crap cheap handguns out there (and likely poorly maintained to boot) that actually can go off with very little prompting? Say, the kind that might be left loaded in a sock that was given to Goodwill?

Possible, but very unlikely.  The cheaper the pistol, the shiattier the trigger (lots of travel required for discharge, or requires more force than is conducive to decent accuracy to make it go off)  People pay a lot of money to have gunsmiths make their triggers have less travel and require less force.  The exact opposite of a knock off "deRRinger" somebody left in a sock.


So then even a cheap trigger mechanism is still predictable? Even one in poor repair? Because a problem typical of crappy old mechanical devices is that you can't be confident of how they'll function when you need to use them. An example, for instance, might be an accelerator pedal that sticks sometimes. Or some sort of geared device where there is at odd times some slippage. Or even a crappy kickstand that gives out and your bike falls over. I'm a bit surprised that a trigger mechanism falls so thoroughly outside that realm of possibility for failure. Again, I suspect there are in the general population more than a few gun owners who are not as circumspect in maintaining things at the consistent level I'm given to think all Farkers do. To begin with, how many Farkers keep their guns in a sock? Many? No? Yes?
 
2014-03-08 12:46:49 AM  

GungFu: Old_Chief_Scott: What kind of gun fits in a sock? A derringer maybe?

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

Lethal Weapon.


/for ants


ninjamonkey.us
 
2014-03-08 12:56:13 AM  

feckingmorons: Perhaps if Chicagoland's gun laws were more in line with the rest of the nation they wouldn't have felt the need to hide their gun assuming it was otherwise lawfully owned.


Exactly.
Every time I hear about someone dying in a DUI accident I think to myself, "We have got to start repealing these DUI laws before more people get hurt.".
 
2014-03-08 12:58:35 AM  

DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.


Old guy kept a gun in his sock drawer just in case, he died, family dumped his shiat into a bag and gave it to the donation place. Happy? Now, let's get back the incredible implausibility of the story the guy made up after he thought it was a toy gun and shot his coworker in the chest.
 
2014-03-08 01:07:36 AM  

Gyrfalcon: nytmare: "I dropped the gun when it accidentally went off" and "I was just cleaning the gun when it accidentally went off" sure do cause a lot of injuries.

This is the first time, I think, that I've ever heard of it actually happening.


There are recorded cases of people being shot several times with a dropped 1911.
Drop.
*Bang*
Bounce
*Bang*
...
 
2014-03-08 01:19:22 AM  

DrBenway: thisisarepeat: DrBenway: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.


Correct. The quirky and improbable story of how the gun came to be present and discharge is virtually the entire reason that this is farkworthy in the first place.

Regarding how the gun came to go off "accidentally" and such, I'm given to think that even Farkers with a great deal of experience in these things have as little to do with real POS firearms as possible, and for good reasons. But isn't there a fairly substantial strata of truly crap cheap handguns out there (and likely poorly maintained to boot) that actually can go off with very little prompting? Say, the kind that might be left loaded in a sock that was given to Goodwill?

Possible, but very unlikely.  The cheaper the pistol, the shiattier the trigger (lots of travel required for discharge, or requires more force than is conducive to decent accuracy to make it go off)  People pay a lot of money to have gunsmiths make their triggers have less travel and require less force.  The exact opposite of a knock off "deRRinger" somebody left in a sock.

So then even a cheap trigger mechanism is still predictable? Even one in poor repair? Because a problem typical of crappy old mechanical devices is that you can't be confident of how they'll function when you need to use them. An example, for instance, might be an accelerator pedal that sticks sometimes. Or some sort of geared device where there is at odd times some slippage. Or even a crappy kickstand that gives out ...


Different devices fail in different modes.  This category is more like the crappy old ball hitch receiver on a trailer that you can never get to open.  The fact that its a bad idea to make guns that fire themselves isnt something that sprang up after Columbine.
 
2014-03-08 01:19:49 AM  
.22?  Someone wasted a .22 shell?  You know how hard those things are to come by now days?
 
2014-03-08 01:22:19 AM  

The One True TheDavid: There are some cheap-ass little "Saturday night special" pistols that are very unsafe. Jimenez, Bryco, Jennings etc. From what I gather if there was a round chambered and the safety was off (or if there wasn't one) some things might go off if you bump them; the ones that go off in people's pockets and put holes in their legs are probably those. I don't know much about them except to avoid them, and I certainly wouldn't use one for a self-defense weapon if you gave it to me free.

If you find one and have to kill somebody you won't regret throwing it in the river or burying it afterward, or if you're a cop and want to claim self-defense they're great for throw-downs. (Or so I read.) Don't waste any money on one, and don't rely on it.

If you want something cheap (but not tiny) buy a Hi-Point. They run about $160, more for a red-dot laser attachment; I saw one used for $115 recently and a few months ago there was a used one for $150 including a red-dot. A lot of people put them down because they're ugly and they don't believe anything at that price can be any good, but from what I gather from people who've actually fired them they're not prone to mishaps and they do reliably and accurately fire bullets through the barrel.

What I want is one of those old Mosin-Nagants. I doubt a 5' long bolt-action rifle would make a good home defense weapon but I hear they're great if you don't have more than $200 to spend and need to shoot a zombie through the head from 1/4 mile away.

Buy the way, I love to drool over things that don't cost very much but that are still a wee bit out of my range. EIP if you'd like to see a list of things you could make me happy with for less than $200. And today really is my 51st birthday, by the way.


/ No Farker's ever sent me money or thrown me a fark from these SUBTLE HINTS of mine but they don't cost me anything and I'm pretty shameless anyway. The maximum dose of two antidepressants can cure a person's shyness even without lots of coffee and ...


Hipoint owner here.  Love my .40 cal, buti t is WAY too big to fit in a sock.

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2014-03-08 01:26:31 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: The One True TheDavid: There are some cheap-ass little "Saturday night special" pistols that are very unsafe. Jimenez, Bryco, Jennings etc. From what I gather if there was a round chambered and the safety was off (or if there wasn't one) some things might go off if you bump them; the ones that go off in people's pockets and put holes in their legs are probably those. I don't know much about them except to avoid them, and I certainly wouldn't use one for a self-defense weapon if you gave it to me free.

If you find one and have to kill somebody you won't regret throwing it in the river or burying it afterward, or if you're a cop and want to claim self-defense they're great for throw-downs. (Or so I read.) Don't waste any money on one, and don't rely on it.

If you want something cheap (but not tiny) buy a Hi-Point. They run about $160, more for a red-dot laser attachment; I saw one used for $115 recently and a few months ago there was a used one for $150 including a red-dot. A lot of people put them down because they're ugly and they don't believe anything at that price can be any good, but from what I gather from people who've actually fired them they're not prone to mishaps and they do reliably and accurately fire bullets through the barrel.

What I want is one of those old Mosin-Nagants. I doubt a 5' long bolt-action rifle would make a good home defense weapon but I hear they're great if you don't have more than $200 to spend and need to shoot a zombie through the head from 1/4 mile away.

Hipoint owner here.  Love my .40 cal, buti t is WAY too big to fit in a sock.

thatswhatshesaid.jpg

 


Do you shoot it much?  I always wondered how that giant block of zinc they have for a slide holds up.
 
2014-03-08 01:36:50 AM  

MSFT: feckingmorons: Perhaps if Chicagoland's gun laws were more in line with the rest of the nation they wouldn't have felt the need to hide their gun assuming it was otherwise lawfully owned.

Exactly.
Every time I hear about someone dying in a DUI accident I think to myself, "We have got to start repealing these DUI laws before more people get hurt.".


I wondered if anyone would comment on that.

If the owner could have carried his gun with him as he went about his day as most other law abiding Americans can do perhaps he wouldn't have felt the need to hide it in his socks. If the family member that donated the clothing knew the gun was in the gun safe donating socks wouldn't have been a problem.

However the restrictive FOID and Chicago Firearms Permit and then registration and it's attendant fee and remember in Chicago you can't even go in your back yard with your gun (but you can elsewhere in the state) without a license from the city. Perhaps the regulations were simply too onerous and the owner felt it necessary to own a gun, but hide it from the police because of the expense, delay and virtual impossibility of jumping through all of the hoops necessary.

Sometimes law abiding citizens don't follow the law when it comes to guns they require to protect themselves and their families. Look at the hundreds of thousands of guns that remain unregistered in Connecticut after their knee-jerk ineffective law. Thousands upon thousands of citizens of Connecticut are now felons simply because the government imposed unreasonable ex-post facto restrictions on their lawful ownership of guns.

We don't want guns hidden in the sock drawer, we want people to feel comfortable keeping their guns in gun safe when not in use and not worrying about prying police eyes peeking through the curtains looking for that safe so they can arrest the gun owner.

You can't tell me Chicago's absurd gun laws have saved any lives.
 
2014-03-08 01:40:44 AM  
Could have been one of the old SA NAA 22's that were made before they has the safety indent built into the cylinder, those were known for going off if dropped on the hammer. That combined with some idiot who probably didn't even own the gun legally(it is Chicago), and her clumsy coworker all added up to a tragity that should have never happened.
 
2014-03-08 01:45:29 AM  
It is astonishing, however, that all the gun apologists who INSIST that there could be an accidental discharge and sometimes it just happens are in here swearing that guns DON'T accidentally go off and clearly this guy deliberately and with malice aforethought killed this woman in cold blood because he's an evil murderer who took the chance when he got one.

What nobody is wondering is why some idiot left a single-shot derringer in a pile of old socks in the first place.
 
2014-03-08 01:52:39 AM  
That's what the poors get for working at and shopping at thrift stores, duh.
 
2014-03-08 01:53:59 AM  
was it a type 94 Nambu pistol?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_94_Nambu_pistol

its a world class piece of shiat.
 
2014-03-08 02:18:02 AM  

Gyrfalcon: It is astonishing, however, that all the gun apologists who INSIST that there could be an accidental discharge and sometimes it just happens are in here swearing that guns DON'T accidentally go off and clearly this guy deliberately and with malice aforethought killed this woman in cold blood because he's an evil murderer who took the chance when he got one.

What nobody is wondering is why some idiot left a single-shot derringer in a pile of old socks in the first place.


Evidently you don't see the difference between an accidental discharge and accidentally pulling the trigger.  "Accidentally pulled the trigger" doesnt happen, however "pulled the trigger to clear the weapon or to sample the trigger without realizing there is a round in the chamber" happens.  The rule that you never point it at something that cant be shot safely regardless of what you believe its state to be, is why most accidental discharges don't kill people before they hit the ground.  Doing something retarded, like pointing a pistol at somebody and pulling the trigger is not an accidental discharge, its homicide.
 
2014-03-08 02:20:47 AM  

Gyrfalcon: It is astonishing, however, that all the gun apologists who INSIST that there could be an accidental discharge and sometimes it just happens are in here swearing that guns DON'T accidentally go off and clearly this guy deliberately and with malice aforethought killed this woman in cold blood because he's an evil murderer who took the chance when he got one.

What nobody is wondering is why some idiot left a single-shot derringer in a pile of old socks in the first place.


It seems you've jumped to a conclusion that it was indeed a single shot derringer. The article notes it was a .22 caliber handgun, but it does not describe it further.

The investigation is ongoing and the preliminary indications point to an accident as noted in the Chicago Tribune article linked to from the article subby included. As my Boobies noted, I find it very hard to believe a gun discharged by itself. It is easier to believe a gun discharged when being manipulated by someone unfamiliar with it, that too would be a tragic accident.

I don't know that a single shot .22 handgun was ever made, all that I've seen have been two shots with two barrels in the derringer style.
 
2014-03-08 02:24:54 AM  

feckingmorons: Gyrfalcon: It is astonishing, however, that all the gun apologists who INSIST that there could be an accidental discharge and sometimes it just happens are in here swearing that guns DON'T accidentally go off and clearly this guy deliberately and with malice aforethought killed this woman in cold blood because he's an evil murderer who took the chance when he got one.

What nobody is wondering is why some idiot left a single-shot derringer in a pile of old socks in the first place.

It seems you've jumped to a conclusion that it was indeed a single shot derringer. The article notes it was a .22 caliber handgun, but it does not describe it further.

The investigation is ongoing and the preliminary indications point to an accident as noted in the Chicago Tribune article linked to from the article subby included. As my Boobies noted, I find it very hard to believe a gun discharged by itself. It is easier to believe a gun discharged when being manipulated by someone unfamiliar with it, that too would be a tragic accident.

I don't know that a single shot .22 handgun was ever made, all that I've seen have been two shots with two barrels in the derringer style.


I would be amazed if there isn't a single shot .22 pistol out there somewhere.  But it has nothing to do with the thread.
 
2014-03-08 02:36:01 AM  

thisisarepeat: feckingmorons: Gyrfalcon: It is astonishing, however, that all the gun apologists who INSIST that there could be an accidental discharge and sometimes it just happens are in here swearing that guns DON'T accidentally go off and clearly this guy deliberately and with malice aforethought killed this woman in cold blood because he's an evil murderer who took the chance when he got one.

What nobody is wondering is why some idiot left a single-shot derringer in a pile of old socks in the first place.

It seems you've jumped to a conclusion that it was indeed a single shot derringer. The article notes it was a .22 caliber handgun, but it does not describe it further.

The investigation is ongoing and the preliminary indications point to an accident as noted in the Chicago Tribune article linked to from the article subby included. As my Boobies noted, I find it very hard to believe a gun discharged by itself. It is easier to believe a gun discharged when being manipulated by someone unfamiliar with it, that too would be a tragic accident.

I don't know that a single shot .22 handgun was ever made, all that I've seen have been two shots with two barrels in the derringer style.

I would be amazed if there isn't a single shot .22 pistol out there somewhere.  But it has nothing to do with the thread.


I looked a few places, gunborker. nra online, but didn't see one. There might be, a zip gun like thing, but a manufactured .22 single shot seems kind of unusual. Kind of pointless too.
 
2014-03-08 02:36:42 AM  

DrBenway: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.


Correct. The quirky and improbable story of how the gun came to be present and discharge is virtually the entire reason that this is farkworthy in the first place.

Regarding how the gun came to go off "accidentally" and such, I'm given to think that even Farkers with a great deal of experience in these things have as little to do with real POS firearms as possible, and for good reasons. But isn't there a fairly substantial strata of truly crap cheap handguns out there (and likely poorly maintained to boot) that actually can go off with very little prompting? Say, the kind that might be left loaded in a sock that was given to Goodwill?



I don't have any particular knowledge of guns, but I am familiar with humans, and "oh shiat, uh, this gun totally just...uh, fell out of a sock because I've never seen it before and I *definitely* wasn't playing around with it at all when it went off" strikes me as a somewhat questionable explanation for why you're holding a gun that just shot someone dead. Not saying it isn't possible, just that the actual interesting part of the story is worth a far more critical look than what TFA is giving it, so it seems reasonable to point that out.
 
2014-03-08 02:49:37 AM  

feckingmorons: MSFT: feckingmorons: Perhaps if Chicagoland's gun laws were more in line with the rest of the nation they wouldn't have felt the need to hide their gun assuming it was otherwise lawfully owned.

Exactly.
Every time I hear about someone dying in a DUI accident I think to myself, "We have got to start repealing these DUI laws before more people get hurt.".

I wondered if anyone would comment on that.

If the owner could have carried his gun with him as he went about his day as most other law abiding Americans can do perhaps he wouldn't have felt the need to hide it in his socks. If the family member that donated the clothing knew the gun was in the gun safe donating socks wouldn't have been a problem.

However the restrictive FOID and Chicago Firearms Permit and then registration and it's attendant fee and remember in Chicago you can't even go in your back yard with your gun (but you can elsewhere in the state) without a license from the city. Perhaps the regulations were simply too onerous and the owner felt it necessary to own a gun, but hide it from the police because of the expense, delay and virtual impossibility of jumping through all of the hoops necessary.

Sometimes law abiding citizens don't follow the law when it comes to guns they require to protect themselves and their families. Look at the hundreds of thousands of guns that remain unregistered in Connecticut after their knee-jerk ineffective law. Thousands upon thousands of citizens of Connecticut are now felons simply because the government imposed unreasonable ex-post facto restrictions on their lawful ownership of guns.

We don't want guns hidden in the sock drawer, we want people to feel comfortable keeping their guns in gun safe when not in use and not worrying about prying police eyes peeking through the curtains looking for that safe so they can arrest the gun owner.

You can't tell me Chicago's absurd gun laws have saved any lives.



Oh, come on. Hiding something in a farking sock is not even remotely going to keep an actual search from finding it, and it could've easily been kept in a more secure situation that wouldn't have been obvious to someone just looking around the room or peeping through the window. There's no need to construct some public policy explanation for why a guy might keep a loaded unsecured gun in the sock drawer when "he doesn't care about keeping it safely" fits just fine.

/assuming the story is true
//not arguing for Chicago gun laws
 
2014-03-08 02:56:52 AM  

feckingmorons: thisisarepeat: feckingmorons: Gyrfalcon: It is astonishing, however, that all the gun apologists who INSIST that there could be an accidental discharge and sometimes it just happens are in here swearing that guns DON'T accidentally go off and clearly this guy deliberately and with malice aforethought killed this woman in cold blood because he's an evil murderer who took the chance when he got one.

What nobody is wondering is why some idiot left a single-shot derringer in a pile of old socks in the first place.

It seems you've jumped to a conclusion that it was indeed a single shot derringer. The article notes it was a .22 caliber handgun, but it does not describe it further.

The investigation is ongoing and the preliminary indications point to an accident as noted in the Chicago Tribune article linked to from the article subby included. As my Boobies noted, I find it very hard to believe a gun discharged by itself. It is easier to believe a gun discharged when being manipulated by someone unfamiliar with it, that too would be a tragic accident.

I don't know that a single shot .22 handgun was ever made, all that I've seen have been two shots with two barrels in the derringer style.

I would be amazed if there isn't a single shot .22 pistol out there somewhere.  But it has nothing to do with the thread.

I looked a few places, gunborker. nra online, but didn't see one. There might be, a zip gun like thing, but a manufactured .22 single shot seems kind of unusual. Kind of pointless too.


I don't disagree at all.  There has to be one though.  Farkers have made match lock keys for farks sake.
 
2014-03-08 02:59:53 AM  
If the gun is registered and they can prove the person carelessly left the gun in the sock, maybe they can pursue manslaughter charges?

Personally, I think if your gun is used to fatally shoot someone, accidental or otherwise, and you didn't take proper safety measures (a gun safe, regularly checking to make sure it hasn't been stolen, etc.) you should be charged with manslaughter.
 
2014-03-08 03:02:54 AM  

feckingmorons: thisisarepeat: feckingmorons: Gyrfalcon: It is astonishing, however, that all the gun apologists who INSIST that there could be an accidental discharge and sometimes it just happens are in here swearing that guns DON'T accidentally go off and clearly this guy deliberately and with malice aforethought killed this woman in cold blood because he's an evil murderer who took the chance when he got one.

What nobody is wondering is why some idiot left a single-shot derringer in a pile of old socks in the first place.

It seems you've jumped to a conclusion that it was indeed a single shot derringer. The article notes it was a .22 caliber handgun, but it does not describe it further.

The investigation is ongoing and the preliminary indications point to an accident as noted in the Chicago Tribune article linked to from the article subby included. As my Boobies noted, I find it very hard to believe a gun discharged by itself. It is easier to believe a gun discharged when being manipulated by someone unfamiliar with it, that too would be a tragic accident.

I don't know that a single shot .22 handgun was ever made, all that I've seen have been two shots with two barrels in the derringer style.

I would be amazed if there isn't a single shot .22 pistol out there somewhere.  But it has nothing to do with the thread.

I looked a few places, gunborker. nra online, but didn't see one. There might be, a zip gun like thing, but a manufactured .22 single shot seems kind of unusual. Kind of pointless too.


gunbroker.com sucks balls anyway, its just that "gunBROKER.com"  Their prices are insane.  You want to buy from "bout to get my power shut off". broke, whenever possible.  besides I search there all the time for specific firearms and usually come up with nothing or a price tag that makes me want to vote republican again.
 
2014-03-08 03:13:18 AM  

HoratioGates: If the gun is registered and they can prove the person carelessly left the gun in the sock, maybe they can pursue manslaughter charges?

Personally, I think if your gun is used to fatally shoot someone, accidental or otherwise, and you didn't take proper safety measures (a gun safe, regularly checking to make sure it hasn't been stolen, etc.) you should be charged with manslaughter.


Personally, I believe that you either havn't thought that through at all, or you just want gun owners imprisoned.
 
2014-03-08 04:06:27 AM  

Loren: Greek: Not a gun nut here. Don't own any, don't want to own any, have enjoyed shooting, however. And I don't see ANYONE here saying that the article is absolutely wrong. What I see is this: A small caliber handgun just HAPPENED to drop out of something, then land in some guy's hand, and somehow malfunction after landing in his hand- a soft, shock absorbing surface, such that it fired, and was pointed in the victim's direction at something vital enough to kill her. With a .22. Which essentially means "square in the brain" or "dead center in the heart." While this is certainly possible, it's very unlikely. Now, there ARE a good number of cheap guns out there that are capable of firing if subjected to a severe shock (modern guns have to pass a "drop test" if their design includes a firing pin that isn't mechanically restrained from contacting the cartridge when not being fired) But a drop into a hand shouldn't be able to cause that much of a shock. if somehow the gun fell such that the trigger landed on his finger- unlikely since the gun most likely has a trigger guard-) an unmodified trigger should not be able to be pulled with that little force.

Now, this is pure guesswork. But something certainly sounds fishy as hell here. Again- what was said in the article is possible- just like it's possible that I could get struck by lightning 8 times in a row in the same place, and survive it. it's not real likely.

This.  And if the gun fell on it's trigger the bullet would be heading down, not towards someone else.


Depends on the gun.
Contrary to popular belief, guns have been getting safer over the years. Things like drop safeties and trigger
Blocks are now commonplace. So even if you carried it loaded, cocked, and unlocked there's a slim chance it will go off just by impact.
That doesn't rule out an older gun or a freak accident.
It's just that the vast majority of accidental discharges involve idiots... So it's tempting to believe the more likely story.

/some banger ditches his gat in the laundry bin.
/someone finds it while sorting through the cloths pile.
/"a gun? I wonder if it's real"
/"the only way to find out is to point it at someone and pull the trigger!"
 
2014-03-08 04:35:41 AM  

thisisarepeat: Bigdogdaddy: The One True TheDavid: There are some cheap-ass little "Saturday night special" pistols that are very unsafe. Jimenez, Bryco, Jennings etc. From what I gather if there was a round chambered and the safety was off (or if there wasn't one) some things might go off if you bump them; the ones that go off in people's pockets and put holes in their legs are probably those. I don't know much about them except to avoid them, and I certainly wouldn't use one for a self-defense weapon if you gave it to me free.

If you find one and have to kill somebody you won't regret throwing it in the river or burying it afterward, or if you're a cop and want to claim self-defense they're great for throw-downs. (Or so I read.) Don't waste any money on one, and don't rely on it.

If you want something cheap (but not tiny) buy a Hi-Point. They run about $160, more for a red-dot laser attachment; I saw one used for $115 recently and a few months ago there was a used one for $150 including a red-dot. A lot of people put them down because they're ugly and they don't believe anything at that price can be any good, but from what I gather from people who've actually fired them they're not prone to mishaps and they do reliably and accurately fire bullets through the barrel.

What I want is one of those old Mosin-Nagants. I doubt a 5' long bolt-action rifle would make a good home defense weapon but I hear they're great if you don't have more than $200 to spend and need to shoot a zombie through the head from 1/4 mile away.

Hipoint owner here.  Love my .40 cal, buti t is WAY too big to fit in a sock.

thatswhatshesaid.jpg


Do you shoot it much?  I always wondered how that giant block of zinc they have for a slide holds up.


I have shot it enough that I am a good shot at 50 yards.  I mainly bought it for home protection.  It has a lifetime warranty on it.  I like the fact hat it has a real safety, which  your Glocks don't have.  It's been my experience that the only ones that really hate it are people that are what I call "gun snobs".  It's heavy, it's not pretty, but it is accurate in the right hands.  That's what is important.
 
2014-03-08 07:49:48 AM  

DrBenway: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DrBenway: feckingmorons: He felt a gun in the sock, the gun accidentally fell out of the sock into his hand and accidentally discharged.

That seems plausible in someone's world I guess.

It's nice that the important thing about this story isn't that an innocent woman's dead, or that somehow some nitwit's clothes were donated with a freakin' loaded gun in them. Nope, the important, most noteworthy thing is that someone knows better about what happened than what the story gives us as reported. Awesome.


Correct. The quirky and improbable story of how the gun came to be present and discharge is virtually the entire reason that this is farkworthy in the first place.

Regarding how the gun came to go off "accidentally" and such, I'm given to think that even Farkers with a great deal of experience in these things have as little to do with real POS firearms as possible, and for good reasons. But isn't there a fairly substantial strata of truly crap cheap handguns out there (and likely poorly maintained to boot) that actually can go off with very little prompting? Say, the kind that might be left loaded in a sock that was given to Goodwill?


This is a valid point. There are a lot of dumb shiats out there that have bought Jennings, Lorcins, Davis and other shiathouse pistols. Those things are flat out crap guns and dangerous to their users.

Also, a .22 can easily kill by hitting/nicking an artery. .22's are known to redirect in the body by bouncing off bones. You'll likely bleed out before paramedics can arrive. It's a bullshiat way to go.
 
2014-03-08 08:08:36 AM  

thisisarepeat: feckingmorons: thisisarepeat: feckingmorons: Gyrfalcon: It is astonishing, however, that all the gun apologists who INSIST that there could be an accidental discharge and sometimes it just happens are in here swearing that guns DON'T accidentally go off and clearly this guy deliberately and with malice aforethought killed this woman in cold blood because he's an evil murderer who took the chance when he got one.

What nobody is wondering is why some idiot left a single-shot derringer in a pile of old socks in the first place.

It seems you've jumped to a conclusion that it was indeed a single shot derringer. The article notes it was a .22 caliber handgun, but it does not describe it further.

The investigation is ongoing and the preliminary indications point to an accident as noted in the Chicago Tribune article linked to from the article subby included. As my Boobies noted, I find it very hard to believe a gun discharged by itself. It is easier to believe a gun discharged when being manipulated by someone unfamiliar with it, that too would be a tragic accident.

I don't know that a single shot .22 handgun was ever made, all that I've seen have been two shots with two barrels in the derringer style.

I would be amazed if there isn't a single shot .22 pistol out there somewhere.  But it has nothing to do with the thread.

I looked a few places, gunborker. nra online, but didn't see one. There might be, a zip gun like thing, but a manufactured .22 single shot seems kind of unusual. Kind of pointless too.

I don't disagree at all.  There has to be one though.  Farkers have made match lock keys for farks sake.


I had one! It was an antique with an odd combination of break-action and bolt-action called a "Hamilton Rifle" (even though it was a pistol).
 
2014-03-08 08:13:24 AM  

NorCalLos: The gun be like "I'm gonna pop some hag..."


This.
 
2014-03-08 08:38:59 AM  
This seems to be a case where the gun actually did kill someone.

NRA platitude is no longer valid.
 
2014-03-08 08:48:29 AM  
As someone who has frequented Unique Thrift stores in Chicago for two decades, I would bet the farm that this was 100% accidental. The ladies working in those stores are generally older and Indian, or perhaps Bangladeshi.

They're absolutely harmless.
 
2014-03-08 08:49:28 AM  
HoratioGates:
Personally, I think if your gun is used to fatally shoot someone, accidental or otherwise, and you didn't take proper safety measures (a gun safe, regularly checking to make sure it hasn't been stolen, etc.) you should be charged with manslaughter.

Let's change the subject noun just as a fun thought exercise:

Personally, I think that if someone else is driving your car and there's a fatality, accidental or otherwise, and you didn't take proper safety measures (keys in a safe, regularly checking to make sure it hasn't been stolen, etc.) you should be charged with manslaughter.
 
2014-03-08 08:56:17 AM  

Saturn5: I guess if it was something like this with no trigger guard it's believable.


You have to cock it first, and if you've handled one you know there's NO way you're cocking it on accident.
 
2014-03-08 09:08:04 AM  

Old_Chief_Scott: What kind of gun fits in a sock? A derringer maybe?

I use old socks to store handguns (unloaded of course). Here is an example. This is a Lee/Enfield .38 cal service revolver from WWII. It is as big as any full sized .38 cal revolver.


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2014-03-08 09:16:39 AM  

laid back w/bud light: Who among us men hasn't had their gun discharge in the vicinity of a sock.


Funny that you mention this, as it just happened to me about 10 minutes ago.
 
2014-03-08 10:02:39 AM  

feckingmorons: Sometimes law abiding citizens don't follow the law


I found the flaw in your premise.

If you can't be bothered to follow the law because it costs money or is inconvenient, the thing you are is a CRIMINAL, not a "law abiding citizen"
 
2014-03-08 10:36:23 AM  
That's terrible.

Guns don't kill people. Old clothes kill people.

Clean out your closet today. But burn 'em, don't give 'em to people who need them. Charity kills. Being armed to the teeth like a pirate never hurt anybody.
 
2014-03-08 10:45:50 AM  
Now is not the time to talk about clothes-control.

/seems the best bet it to let it hit the gound
 
2014-03-08 10:46:33 AM  
or ground
 
2014-03-08 11:04:51 AM  

meow said the dog: The shiat which does elimination from the bull.


Once I figured that out I agreed completely.
 
2014-03-08 12:47:14 PM  
www.thesafeplace.com
 
2014-03-08 02:21:12 PM  

Saturn5: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x377]
I guess if it was something like this with no trigger guard it's believable.


I imagine the Saturday Night Specials favored by criminals aren't exactly built to SIG Sauer or H&K standards.  I remember seeing a documentary about WWII Japan's weaponry.  The last-ditch shiat they were cranking out as the Allies closed in on the Home Islands would go off on its own if you breathed on it wrong.
 
2014-03-08 02:43:56 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Oh, come on. Hiding something in a farking sock is not even remotely going to keep an actual search from finding it, and it could've easily been kept in a more secure situation that wouldn't have been obvious to someone just looking around the room or peeping through the window. There's no need to construct some public policy explanation for why a guy might keep a loaded unsecured gun in the sock drawer when "he doesn't care about keeping it safely" fits just fine./assuming the story is true//not arguing for Chicago gun laws


Say the police come to the hosue for a report of a burglary. They can't search the house absent consent, they can only investigate the burgalry. They would never notice a gun in a sock drawer.

Now if those same police come to the house for the same burglary and see a gun safe they may take that information and check to see if anyone living there has a FIOD or concealed weapon permit, or Chicago gun registration. When they find out they don't that would allow them to get a search warrant to check out that gun safe as the now have a reasonable suspicion that there is an undocumented gun.

If you had a pound of pot in the sock drawer v. a hydroponic gardening setup in the living room. What is in plain view when the cops drop by for something unrelated can turn into a problem for the homeowner.
 
2014-03-08 02:50:27 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: feckingmorons: Sometimes law abiding citizens don't follow the law

I found the flaw in your premise.

If you can't be bothered to follow the law because it costs money or is inconvenient, the thing you are is a CRIMINAL, not a "law abiding citizen"


You however fail to grasp the concept. They had those guns for years without any problems and were fine, upstanding members of the community with nary a blemish on their character. An unneeded, knee jerk reactionary law that serves no legitimate purpose is enacted that should those same people not touch those guns, not move those guns, not even think about those guns turns them into de facto felons. Connecticut has absolutely no idea what to do because hundreds of thousands of Connecticut citizens won't follow the law because it is nonsense. They can't possibly arrest them and try them, the state's Court system would be unable to handle the deluge of cases. Ex-post facto laws as this is are patently unconstitutional and no one has any obligation to follow unconstitutional laws.
 
2014-03-08 04:01:10 PM  
Meh, the sock was only standing its ground.
 
2014-03-08 06:51:42 PM  

feckingmorons: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Oh, come on. Hiding something in a farking sock is not even remotely going to keep an actual search from finding it, and it could've easily been kept in a more secure situation that wouldn't have been obvious to someone just looking around the room or peeping through the window. There's no need to construct some public policy explanation for why a guy might keep a loaded unsecured gun in the sock drawer when "he doesn't care about keeping it safely" fits just fine./assuming the story is true//not arguing for Chicago gun laws

Say the police come to the hosue for a report of a burglary. They can't search the house absent consent, they can only investigate the burgalry. They would never notice a gun in a sock drawer.

Now if those same police come to the house for the same burglary and see a gun safe they may take that information and check to see if anyone living there has a FIOD or concealed weapon permit, or Chicago gun registration. When they find out they don't that would allow them to get a search warrant to check out that gun safe as the now have a reasonable suspicion that there is an undocumented gun.

If you had a pound of pot in the sock drawer v. a hydroponic gardening setup in the living room. What is in plain view when the cops drop by for something unrelated can turn into a problem for the homeowner.


It's a pistol. You could secure it a hell of a lot better in the same damn drawer, or under the bed, or in a closet, or in a cupboard, or a file cabinet, or whatever. I could point you to various options online but I'm pretty sure that of the two of us, you're the gun nut, so you probably know about them already. Are you seriously going to tell us you couldn't reasonably secure a single pistol in your house where no one would know about it unless they tossed your place?

/not to mention that the cops aren't going to get a search warrant for a gun on the basis of "owns a safe"
 
2014-03-08 08:51:48 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /not to mention that the cops aren't going to get a search warrant for a gun on the basis of "owns a safe"


You really believe that? Really?
 
2014-03-08 10:09:25 PM  

feckingmorons: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /not to mention that the cops aren't going to get a search warrant for a gun on the basis of "owns a safe"

You really believe that? Really?


Yes. Linking to an article about the fact that cops are dishonest (a) has nothing to do with which lies will get them a warrant and (b) undercuts your own argument by pointing out that they could just lie and say they saw a reason to search whether they did or not. People keep all kinds of shiat in safes; cops don't get to go on a fishing expedition for illegal guns just because they say they saw a safe in someone's house.

And the reason that was a slashie is that it wasn't necessary to the point I was making: EVEN IF owning a safe were grounds for a search warrant, it is not particularly difficult (and generally a good idea anyway) to keep a safe that they wouldn't see without searching in the first place, or to otherwise secure a pistolwithout it being obvious to anyone who takes a cursory look around that you have a pistol. Do you deny that? Are you seriously saying you would have trouble doing that?
 
2014-03-08 10:55:27 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: feckingmorons: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /not to mention that the cops aren't going to get a search warrant for a gun on the basis of "owns a safe"

You really believe that? Really?

Yes. Linking to an article about the fact that cops are dishonest (a) has nothing to do with which lies will get them a warrant and (b) undercuts your own argument by pointing out that they could just lie and say they saw a reason to search whether they did or not. People keep all kinds of shiat in safes; cops don't get to go on a fishing expedition for illegal guns just because they say they saw a safe in someone's house.

And the reason that was a slashie is that it wasn't necessary to the point I was making: EVEN IF owning a safe were grounds for a search warrant, it is not particularly difficult (and generally a good idea anyway) to keep a safe that they wouldn't see without searching in the first place, or to otherwise secure a pistolwithout it being obvious to anyone who takes a cursory look around that you have a pistol. Do you deny that? Are you seriously saying you would have trouble doing that?


The post was about Chicago cops specifically as this story is from Chicago.

I have a finger combo gun safe in my bedroom in plain view. Sure it is bolted to the side of a dresser so it would be hard to steal, but if the cops came by to investigate some crime and saw that they would know I owned guns.

Of course I don't live in Chicago so I'm not worried about them knowing that.
 
2014-03-09 12:46:21 AM  

feckingmorons: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: feckingmorons: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /not to mention that the cops aren't going to get a search warrant for a gun on the basis of "owns a safe"

You really believe that? Really?

Yes. Linking to an article about the fact that cops are dishonest (a) has nothing to do with which lies will get them a warrant and (b) undercuts your own argument by pointing out that they could just lie and say they saw a reason to search whether they did or not. People keep all kinds of shiat in safes; cops don't get to go on a fishing expedition for illegal guns just because they say they saw a safe in someone's house.

And the reason that was a slashie is that it wasn't necessary to the point I was making: EVEN IF owning a safe were grounds for a search warrant, it is not particularly difficult (and generally a good idea anyway) to keep a safe that they wouldn't see without searching in the first place, or to otherwise secure a pistolwithout it being obvious to anyone who takes a cursory look around that you have a pistol. Do you deny that? Are you seriously saying you would have trouble doing that?

The post was about Chicago cops specifically as this story is from Chicago.

I have a finger combo gun safe in my bedroom in plain view. Sure it is bolted to the side of a dresser so it would be hard to steal, but if the cops came by to investigate some crime and saw that they would know I owned guns.

Of course I don't live in Chicago so I'm not worried about them knowing that.


Sure, but you don't HAVE to have it bolted to the side of your dresser in plain view. You COULD have it any number of other places that aren't in plain view. And if you DID live in Chicago and WERE worried about leaving a gun safe in plain sight, THAT would be a far more sensible thing to do than loading it and tossing it in the sock drawer with no lock of any kind.
 
2014-03-09 01:57:21 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Sure, but you don't HAVE to have it bolted to the side of your dresser in plain view. You COULD have it any number of other places that aren't in plain view. And if you DID live in Chicago and WERE worried about leaving a gun safe in plain sight, THAT would be a far more sensible thing to do than loading it and tossing it in the sock drawer with no lock of any kind.


I wouldn't live in Chicago, their gun laws are absurd. That is why I don't live in NYC, where my job is based, well that and I don't pay NY income tax by living in Florida.
 
2014-03-09 07:58:37 AM  

feckingmorons: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Sure, but you don't HAVE to have it bolted to the side of your dresser in plain view. You COULD have it any number of other places that aren't in plain view. And if you DID live in Chicago and WERE worried about leaving a gun safe in plain sight, THAT would be a far more sensible thing to do than loading it and tossing it in the sock drawer with no lock of any kind.

I wouldn't live in Chicago, their gun laws are absurd. That is why I don't live in NYC, where my job is based, well that and I don't pay NY income tax by living in Florida.


Okaaaay. You don't have to pretend not to understand just to avoid conceding a point. It's only a conversation. Anyway, I'm out, thanks for the discussion.
 
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