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(Daily Mail)   Have YOU ever had an out-of-body experience? This woman can leave her body at will: "People only retain the ability to have them if they practice from childhood, researchers think these experiences could be more common than previously thought"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 112
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2014-03-07 10:39:35 PM  

Aquapope: I know of a guy who has a million bucks for her if she can prove it.


If she truly HAD this ability, a million would be chump change. The ability to spy on anyone without detection? Go into business selling corporate secrets, she'd make a mint.
 
2014-03-07 10:43:19 PM  
Sips more beer.
Had lucid dreams since childhood.
#BonerJamCity

Astral projected after several attempts at 16.
Got BOOTED out upon seeing what seemed to be the golden ratio.

Have had occasional out of body experiences.

Seemingly random dreams that later catch up to my present moment.
Months or years until they sync.
 
2014-03-07 10:49:12 PM  
We'd already have astral soldiers in Afghanistan if this had any merit to it.
I can empathize with the desire for magic to exist in this short life of ours (or that there's a next life) but it should not come at the cost of legitimate science and medicine.
 
2014-03-07 10:49:35 PM  
One time, I was having an incredibly stupid dream.  I mean it was just dumb.  I decided I was going to wake up and, if the sun was up, I'd had enough sleep because I had better things to do with my time than put up with that stupid dream.  And I did.  I woke up.  The sun was up so I got up, took a shower, and found something to do.

Not sure where that fits in the astral projection/lucid dreaming scale.
 
2014-03-07 10:51:12 PM  
doloresonthedottedline:  Which is interesting because my most vivid lucid dream, I shut my eyes as hard and tight as I could to try and wake myself up, and it seemed to work.

Weird, that's exactly what I do in the few times I can remember my dreams and it happens to be a bad one and I come to the realization of that fact. I'd say it's happened a total of about 40 times over my 29 year life, although I remember my drams maybe 5% of the time.
 
2014-03-07 10:53:03 PM  
If this is obscure to you, you are 20 years behind the times.

Link
 
2014-03-07 10:53:23 PM  
I had a girlfriend that could do this every time we had sex.  It was was weird... she would get totally vacant absent stare and be totally unresponsive to anything I did.  I'm not sure if she was abused as a child, or she was entering some meditative state, or it was all the rohypnol I gave her, but it was a damn good skill.  I never did get to ask her about that, with the restraining order and all.
 
2014-03-07 10:54:42 PM  

BluVeinThrobber: Smackledorfer: SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.

Lucid dreams are awesome. I always feel so alive afterward, even the odd nightmarish one I fail to mentally overcome.

Do you dream in color?


I think so, but since it is all just the brain taking itself for a walk it could just be rememberence of color.
 
2014-03-07 10:59:13 PM  

MrEricSir: SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.

I had nightmares sometimes as a kid, and one night something sort of "clicked" when I realized I didn't have to go along with the nightmare and could make my own choices. It was over a decade later that I learned this was a common phenomenon, thanks to the 1997 edition of the Internet Yellow Pages.
What this woman's describing definitely sounds like an advanced form of lucid dream induction.


I had nightmares too while a kid, usually involving monsters or ghosts or disembodied limbs. After a while, my nightmares began to include trucks appearing from nowhere to chase and occasionally kill the monsters. Those types of nightmares almost completely disappeared (except for one a year ago about dead mutilated hookers), and now my nightmares involve psychologically-traumatic events like being fired or family members dying. Those have not yet had happy endings. This is unrelated to lucid dreaming, but I wanted to share.
 
2014-03-07 11:01:45 PM  
All the debunkers denying a spiritual universe and double blind studies are as trapped in a mere three dimensions as the flat-earthers and geocentric universe were in Columbus' and Galileo's day were trapped in two dimensions. Remember: nothing is true until we scientifically can prove it in a replicable experiment.
 
2014-03-07 11:03:10 PM  

Kevin72: All the debunkers denying a spiritual universe and double blind studies are as trapped in a mere three dimensions as the flat-earthers and geocentric universe were in Columbus' and Galileo's day were trapped in two dimensions. Remember: nothing is true until we scientifically can prove it in a replicable experiment.


The burden of proof isn't on our end
 
2014-03-07 11:04:41 PM  
If OBEs or NDEs are real it would be difficult to prove as much no matter what the case.

Hypothetically, let's say there is a duality between the brain and consciousness, if consciousness leaves the body it would need some mechanization for remembering and bringing those experiences back to the brain for it to activate the hippocampus and record those into memory.

Basically your consciousness outside of the body would work differently than your brain does, and your brain would have limitations that an independent consciousness would not. So it would be difficult or impossible to accurately recount memory outside your body once a hypothetical consciousness is back in the body.
 
2014-03-07 11:05:12 PM  

Mr Rusty Shackleford: Lucid dreams for me are often accompanied by sleep paralysis and varying levels of terror.  Not so great for me.

There is a reasonable body of evidence to suggest out of body experiences and near death experiences are related to natural DMT in the body, e.g. the work of Rick Strassman and others.

Also, I recall reading about hospitals who have begun to place novel objects and images above areas in which near death/out of body experiences might occur.  Typically hidden from ground-level view atop shelving or cabinetry in the hospital rooms.  The thinking is that the potential exists that someone could have one of these experiences, "levitate" or whatever... and be able to later articulate objects hidden above them they would not have seen or known existed unless there was merit to their experience.

Interesting stuff IMO.  There is more to life and consciousness than meets the eye.


By definition lucid dreams should not have terror. We call those nightmares.

I had chronic nightmares since I was a teenager. When I finally learned how to identify that I was dreaming and "go lucid" the nightmares weren't so scary anymore.
 
2014-03-07 11:05:55 PM  

Smackledorfer: BluVeinThrobber: Smackledorfer: SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.

Lucid dreams are awesome. I always feel so alive afterward, even the odd nightmarish one I fail to mentally overcome.

Do you dream in color?

I think so, but since it is all just the brain taking itself for a walk it could just be rememberence of color.


Isn't dreaming in color a sign of psycosis
 
2014-03-07 11:12:38 PM  

BluVeinThrobber: Smackledorfer: BluVeinThrobber: Smackledorfer: SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.

Lucid dreams are awesome. I always feel so alive afterward, even the odd nightmarish one I fail to mentally overcome.

Do you dream in color?

I think so, but since it is all just the brain taking itself for a walk it could just be rememberence of color.

Isn't dreaming in color a sign of psycosis


Doubtful.
 
2014-03-07 11:18:04 PM  

sethen320: By definition lucid dreams should not have terror. We call those nightmares.

I had chronic nightmares since I was a teenager. When I finally learned how to identify that I was dreaming and "go lucid" the nightmares weren't so scary anymore.


I am not sure I agree with this at all.  In my case, I am always aware that I am dreaming.  But for some reason the terror factor is not offset.  Perhaps irrational, but that is how it goes down for me.
 
2014-03-07 11:18:24 PM  

Kevin72: All the debunkers denying a spiritual universe and double blind studies are as trapped in a mere three dimensions as the flat-earthers and geocentric universe were in Columbus' and Galileo's day were trapped in two dimensions.

/sarcasm alert on
Remember: nothing is true until we scientifically can prove it in a replicable experiment.

/sarcasm alert off

I'll try that again so I don't contradict my point.
/not drunk. doing fark when im supposed to be watching girls basketball high school championship. 42-37 still close
 
2014-03-07 11:20:13 PM  

Kevin72: All the debunkers denying a spiritual universe and double blind studies are as trapped in a mere three dimensions as the flat-earthers and geocentric universe were in Columbus' and Galileo's day were trapped in two dimensions. Remember: nothing is true until we scientifically can prove it in a replicable experiment.


I will say this, Rupert Sheldrake has some compelling data. From his google tech talk I thought he was a kook at first until he starts disclosing his methods and data, which on the outset appear to be sound.

He openly discusses his data and doesn't shy away from challenges to it, and he appears to be operating in the bounds of scientific rigor even though he his discounted seemingly from bias.
 
2014-03-07 11:24:41 PM  

Smackledorfer: BluVeinThrobber: Smackledorfer: BluVeinThrobber: Smackledorfer: SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.

Lucid dreams are awesome. I always feel so alive afterward, even the odd nightmarish one I fail to mentally overcome.

Do you dream in color?

I think so, but since it is all just the brain taking itself for a walk it could just be rememberence of color.

Isn't dreaming in color a sign of psycosis

Doubtful.


Dont know thought I remembered reading that somewhwere
 
2014-03-07 11:39:45 PM  

Mr Rusty Shackleford: Lucid dreams for me are often accompanied by sleep paralysis and varying levels of terror.  Not so great for me.

There is a reasonable body of evidence to suggest out of body experiences and near death experiences are related to natural DMT in the body, e.g. the work of Rick Strassman and others.

Also, I recall reading about hospitals who have begun to place novel objects and images above areas in which near death/out of body experiences might occur.  Typically hidden from ground-level view atop shelving or cabinetry in the hospital rooms.  The thinking is that the potential exists that someone could have one of these experiences, "levitate" or whatever... and be able to later articulate objects hidden above them they would not have seen or known existed unless there was merit to their experience.

Interesting stuff IMO.  There is more to life and consciousness than meets the eye.


I have episodes of sleep paralysis, and I absolutely can't stand them.  The freak me the fark out and I feel absolutely messed up the rest of the day.  I've found that, for me, avoiding naps helps a lot.
 
2014-03-07 11:44:35 PM  

fusillade762: MrEricSir: SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.

I had nightmares sometimes as a kid, and one night something sort of "clicked" when I realized I didn't have to go along with the nightmare and could make my own choices. It was over a decade later that I learned this was a common phenomenon, thanks to the 1997 edition of the Internet Yellow Pages.
What this woman's describing definitely sounds like an advanced form of lucid dream induction.

Whenever I begin to become aware that I'm dreaming I always start looking for a cute chick to have sex with. Is that weird?


The problem with fantasy dreams is that you eventually wake up and you're not dating a supermodel while you travel through time and win millions of dollars on game shows. Makes real life seem pretty dull.
 
2014-03-07 11:52:19 PM  
And she comes back? On PURPOSE? That's the part I'm having a tough time believing.
 
2014-03-07 11:55:23 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.



but
have you awoken from them to find you've levitated above the bed?

then fallen?

like wiley coyote??

*crash*
 
2014-03-08 12:03:14 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: We'd already have astral soldiers in Afghanistan if this had any merit to it.
I can empathize with the desire for magic to exist in this short life of ours (or that there's a next life) but it should not come at the cost of legitimate science and medicine.


This is legitimate science.

Nobody - from the woman involved to the researchers - is suggesting that she actually leaves her body.  They are studying the perception of having left the body.  The woman is well aware that this is a mental state she is consciously bringing on.  The researchers are gathering neurological data on the biology behind this altered state of perception.
 
2014-03-08 12:05:07 AM  
I tend to astral project during long, boring meetings at work.  Does that count?
 
2014-03-08 12:11:42 AM  

Sum Dum Gai: God-is-a-Taco: We'd already have astral soldiers in Afghanistan if this had any merit to it.
I can empathize with the desire for magic to exist in this short life of ours (or that there's a next life) but it should not come at the cost of legitimate science and medicine.

This is legitimate science.

Nobody - from the woman involved to the researchers - is suggesting that she actually leaves her body.  They are studying the perception of having left the body.  The woman is well aware that this is a mental state she is consciously bringing on.  The researchers are gathering neurological data on the biology behind this altered state of perception.


Yeah, no one read the article. Somewhat understandable considering the source, but still.
 
2014-03-08 12:16:00 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: I was actually reading about it last night (yay insomnia!) and just found out that one of the ways they tested to see if the people were actually conscious or just dreaming they were conscious was to have them do certain signals with their eyes, since that's one thing that you can still somewhat control while you're dreaming. Which is interesting because my most vivid lucid dream, I shut my eyes as hard and tight as I could to try and wake myself up, and it seemed to work.


Stephen LaBerge did some of the better studies on this in the 80's and 90's. He used an EEG to record eye signals during lucid dreams in order to show that perceived time is the same in dreams as while awake. Other researchers have done similar experiments in recent years.

There's not yet much you can do without expensive equipment but the idea of communicating with the outside world from a dream has always interested me. Though our bodies are partially blind and paralyzed while asleep, blind people can read braille and people like Stephen Hawking are partially paralyzed. Perhaps one day people will post on Fark in their dreams.
 
2014-03-08 12:20:09 AM  
I fell into the habit of sleeping with a pillow pretty much over my face and had a series of out of body experiences during that time, obviously from lack of oxygen...and also when I slept with too many blankets or with a fever.  The experiences were fascinating, controllable and only sometimes frightening, and they stopped when I wised up about the pillow..."fever dreams" continue, however.  I think there is a physiological explanation for these phenomena.
 
2014-03-08 12:27:28 AM  
Ehh, I do more the out of mind experiences. Wake up the next day, wonder what the hell happened last night, see the empty bottle, the broken table, etc.
 
2014-03-08 12:47:28 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.


Endogenous release of DMT from the pineal gland. Similar but not the same.
 
2014-03-08 01:03:08 AM  

zepillin: Endogenous release of DMT from the pineal gland


bl bla bla

I SEE DEAD PEOPLE

 
2014-03-08 01:05:11 AM  
Mustn't sleep.
Clowns.

'n' shiat.

Can't sleep.

I'll be here all night.

Don't forget to tip the demons.
under your bed
in your head
 
2014-03-08 01:05:39 AM  
No Wesley Crusher pic's?, fark I am disappointed
 
2014-03-08 01:56:16 AM  

zepillin: SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.

Endogenous release of DMT from the pineal gland. Similar but not the same.


That nonsense was debunked ages ago.
 
2014-03-08 02:29:57 AM  
Our brains are squishy holodecks. It's both cool and tragic. I would bet a trillion bucks that a lot of the worst of human history has been influenced by kooks who swore what they felt, saw, and heard was real when in reality it was nothing more than an isolated construct generated in their own heads. It felt real of course. But why wouldn't it? It's all coming from the very tub of goo that generates and processes all your sensations and emotions. And where else is god going to tell you that you're awesome, people should listen to you, and if they don't, they deserve to burn?

Get back to me when there's unequivocal proof that Professor Moriarty is using the Arch to cause trouble  outsideof the holodeck.
 
2014-03-08 02:49:05 AM  

180IQ: zepillin: SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.

Endogenous release of DMT from the pineal gland. Similar but not the same.

That nonsense was debunked ages ago.


Are you referring to lucid dreams or DMT from the pineal gland as nonsense?
 
2014-03-08 03:20:23 AM  
Far journeys by Robert Monroe is a good read where he documents his initial obe experiences.

/Every night I relax in readiness for an obe. //Hangovers seem to block memories.
 
2014-03-08 03:56:54 AM  
Fringe is not coming back. Stop trying to force it.
 
2014-03-08 04:54:31 AM  

MayoSlather: 180IQ: zepillin: SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.

Endogenous release of DMT from the pineal gland. Similar but not the same.

That nonsense was debunked ages ago.

Are you referring to lucid dreams or DMT from the pineal gland as nonsense?


DMT
 
2014-03-08 06:22:44 AM  
I've had tons of out-of-body experiences. The best ones have been on LSD. I remember returning to my body as it was sitting on the floor, next to a friend, looking at myself from the outside before returning to normal consciousness. I also felt like I was able to see the journey taken from the moonlight reflecting off new-falling snow all the way back through the time and space it took for it to reach my eye.

I also used to have strangely clear dreams of looking at myself sleeping sometimes.
 
2014-03-08 06:36:53 AM  
Dreams, aren't really. They are a different type of computation, for good reason.

When very young, someone told me about angels and devils. then i had a vivid dream that i had caught one, in an electromagnet, it looked like a red glow, it couldn't escape...i couldn't remember much about my magnet, but it was something i was using. the end.

A few yrs later i decided if i ever met an alien i would take over its mind and get all that it owned under my power. I looked for them with my mind but they were no where to be found.
All my experiences with Carlos Casteneda experiments failed to show me any monsters or dwarfes, etc.

A few yrs later i dreamed, with sweat, that me & my friends & GF were in my van when i was passing a semi in the pouring rain on a 2 lane hi way, and, when i was halfway thru the pass, another semi opposite in the direction loomed right in the way.
I remember all of us, esp me, aware of certain death, no escape, split second.... i decided to keep my eyes wide open... i went between the trucks somehow.... i pulled over to the side of the road, everyone in the van was crying hard... very freaked out, but i felt nothing special, just glad i kept my eyes open. then woke up sweaty & full of adrenaline. Many other sweaty dreams where i took control & wake up suddenly.
Even later i discovered how to combat drowsy driving... and also how to get lucid dreaming going quickly. In drowsy driving my soul seems to vacate my body momentarily, and i am totally unaware of surroundings.. that feaked me out, must solve.. NOW! Its random thinking... thats the key.

There is a random thinking mode that once started, unleashes the power of dreams, causing hypnosis and triggering REM sleep almost instantly; tapping the subconscious, and liberating the 'mistral wind'
Needless to say, drugs are long since unnecessary and clumsy, a hindrance, compared to what the mind can do when the body is pure...
 
2014-03-08 07:55:53 AM  
Heavily tangential thread aside...

This is very common, though not the ability to disconnect at will.

That is what brains do when they prepare for sleep.  They disconnect or shut down, more or less.  Gliding or falling or flying sensations are very common(as a vast amount of people do this in their dreams as well), and the parts of the brain that don't manage to shut down struggling to make sense of inaccurate information.

For some to go to sleep, it's very gradual.  For others, even without exhaustion it can be very rapid.  Or mis-timed so that there's overlap of wakefullness and being asleep.

This is a function that runs parallell to lucid dreaming but is not the same phenomena. Call "lucid dreaming", instead, "Driving to work", and what the article talks about more like "driving to the store and taking the scenic route".

For many, when they prepare for sleep, they continue thinking about things that are relevant to reality, bills, work, the movie you just watched, etc etc, and drift off, slowly letting go, almost involuntarily.

To do as in the article, you more or less have to be able to clear your mind, disconnect from all of those things, push them from the conscious mind, faster than your brain and body go into full sleep mode.

No guarantee you'll see the same things, same as if we both witness a crime and describe varying things even different events.

The study itself is interesting, seeing what the brain does when we experience these false sensations.

Really, the ability ties back to darwin, as does most everything.  Those that survived the night were the one's that slept lightly, who retained some ability of alertness or some information.  There are different mechanics to this, of course.  Some are sensitive to sounds, some to temperatures, some air pressure, or varying degrees and combinations thereof, and hence wake easily.  Some awake at mere sensations of movement(there's a popular theory that's tied to when we slept in trees, that falling sensation), because it would pay well to be able to raise alarm if someone's carrying you off in your sleep.

This particular case, the ability to shut down the brain rapidly, is a lot like being a soldier that doesn't get enough sleep, so they drop off every chance they get even if just for minutes at a time.  End up more refreshed and alert than those who go full 16+ hours straight awake and have better endurance towards the later ends of the day.

*shrugs*
Just woke up and I get on fark to process information and wake my brain up, so pardon the rambly nature of the post.
 
2014-03-08 07:57:05 AM  
We tried a lot of Stuff back in the 70's when the "Good" drugs were still around. There were some really strange times but nothing that I could call an "Out of Body" experience. I've been knocked out for a few Operations since then, you go to sleep then you wake up not remembering a damn thing but never anything "Out of Body". I found out that old "Count backwards from 100" thing is Crap! They hit you with it and Bang, you're out. The times I've been put under, I don't even recall dreaming at all. Nothing! I've gone through a whole day afterwards not remembering anything I did depending on what and how much they hit you with, it varies, I just don't believe in that stuff. I think some people have over-active imaginations. Maybe they Wish they were out of their bodies looking around.
 
2014-03-08 08:12:41 AM  
I've had an out-of-pants experience, does that count?
 
2014-03-08 08:47:27 AM  
I lucid dream quite a bit and have had three OOBEs. The lucid dreams are fun but when I start feeling an OOBE coming on (the sleep paralysis, buzzing, vibrating and that pull) I shut it down. It's the oddest, most terrifying experience but one day I'll grow a pair and start experimenting with them.
 
2014-03-08 08:49:47 AM  
Fark the out of body experience, if she's hawt, can I has an "in body" experience?
 
2014-03-08 10:27:25 AM  
I have dreams that I can fly and the weirdest thing is avoiding all the damn telephone/power lines.
 
2014-03-08 11:06:14 AM  

Deep Contact: I have dreams that I can fly and the weirdest thing is avoiding all the damn telephone/power lines.


Wierdest or hardest?

I have dreams like that.  Floating, flying, even flying fast is easy.  Turning and stopping at speed, not so much.  I always panic myself awake before I hit powerlines or trees, suddenly incapable of any sort of control.

Mine, I think goes pretty much back to a bad CSB.  At a water park when little I was too scared for the twisty turny water slides.  I saw one that was straight and figured,"Hey, that's easy, I can do that one, like a playground slide." That's what it looked like from a distance, built into the side of a hill. My little mind didn't realize the scale of the thing. Pretty sure I was going about 60mph down that farking thing.  Was in shock the rest of the day, don't remember much after that.

Along with pain, fear imprints pretty strongly on the mind.
 
2014-03-08 11:25:06 AM  
Every time I have an out of body experience, I see this red bastard
www.trespassmag.com
and he starts playing this really annoying Tiny Tim music.

Also there is this old biatch who keeps getting closer and closer to me. Keeps talking about how she wants my body. I think she wants to fark me or something.
 
2014-03-08 11:57:56 AM  
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