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(Daily Mail)   Have YOU ever had an out-of-body experience? This woman can leave her body at will: "People only retain the ability to have them if they practice from childhood, researchers think these experiences could be more common than previously thought"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 113
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2014-03-07 08:27:23 PM
I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.
 
2014-03-07 09:13:20 PM
Define "researchers."
 
2014-03-07 09:51:08 PM
Define "legitimate news source"
 
2014-03-07 09:51:53 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.


Lucid dreams are awesome. I always feel so alive afterward, even the odd nightmarish one I fail to mentally overcome.
 
2014-03-07 09:52:29 PM
No she can not.
 
2014-03-07 09:53:04 PM
If you had an out of body experience, how would you know?
 
2014-03-07 09:53:05 PM
Define "define".
 
2014-03-07 09:53:06 PM
High quality / high potency salvia divinorum extracts are sold legally online.
 
2014-03-07 09:55:25 PM
 
2014-03-07 09:55:42 PM
Isn't this what psychiatrists call a dissociative episode. The same thing happened to me when I got hit by a car at age 9 or that time I was really bored and drank some dextromethorphan.
 
2014-03-07 09:55:52 PM
Get back to me when you can paint things on her forehead, and have her describe them to you.
 
2014-03-07 09:57:36 PM
Lucid dreams for me are often accompanied by sleep paralysis and varying levels of terror.  Not so great for me.

There is a reasonable body of evidence to suggest out of body experiences and near death experiences are related to natural DMT in the body, e.g. the work of Rick Strassman and others.

Also, I recall reading about hospitals who have begun to place novel objects and images above areas in which near death/out of body experiences might occur.  Typically hidden from ground-level view atop shelving or cabinetry in the hospital rooms.  The thinking is that the potential exists that someone could have one of these experiences, "levitate" or whatever... and be able to later articulate objects hidden above them they would not have seen or known existed unless there was merit to their experience.

Interesting stuff IMO.  There is more to life and consciousness than meets the eye.
 
2014-03-07 09:58:34 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.


I had nightmares sometimes as a kid, and one night something sort of "clicked" when I realized I didn't have to go along with the nightmare and could make my own choices. It was over a decade later that I learned this was a common phenomenon, thanks to the 1997 edition of the Internet Yellow Pages.
What this woman's describing definitely sounds like an advanced form of lucid dream induction.
 
2014-03-07 09:58:59 PM

Meisaims: Get back to me when you can paint things on her forehead, and have her describe them to you.


This. My idea was to tape a playing card to her forehead, but your idea works, too.
 
2014-03-07 10:00:24 PM
If I could get out of this wreck I wouldn't come back
 
2014-03-07 10:00:51 PM

Mr Rusty Shackleford: Interesting stuff IMO. There is more to life and consciousness than meets the eye.


And for the low, low, price of only four payments of $17.99 we'll send you the Meaning of Life.
 
2014-03-07 10:01:00 PM
Easily tested. And easily debunked.

All you have to do is construct a double-blind test where she is required to "have an out of body experience" and use her capability to determine something that she couldn't ordinarily see (like a simple but unguessable message on a sign that is placed on the back of her chair).

She would be tested against a control group asked to perform the same task several different times. The researchers administering the test wouldn't know who was the test subject and who was in the control group. If she doesn't score better than the control group, it's bogus.

My suspicion is that she truly, honestly  believes she has this ability, but it's all in her head.

/That researchers are interested in scanning her brain is not validation of her ability; it's an attempt to understand how her brain behaves differently so they can attempt to understand which regions of the brain are impacted by the delusion. That's all. As usual, the Daily Fail gets the science almost entirely wrong.
 
2014-03-07 10:01:04 PM
I know of a guy who has a million bucks for her if she can prove it.
 
2014-03-07 10:01:47 PM

2wolves: Mr Rusty Shackleford: Interesting stuff IMO. There is more to life and consciousness than meets the eye.

And for the low, low, price of only four payments of $17.99 we'll send you the Meaning of Life.


Not a bad deal if you ask me!
 
2014-03-07 10:01:52 PM
Sounds legit. It is from the SCIENCE section of the Daily Mail.

MrEricSir: I had nightmares sometimes as a kid, and one night something sort of "clicked" when I realized I didn't have to go along with the nightmare and could make my own choices. It was over a decade later that I learned this was a common phenomenon, thanks to the 1997 edition of the Internet Yellow Pages.


I am a lucid dreamer too. My realisation was kind of the opposite of yours, though. It was long before I knew that not everyone could do it.
 
2014-03-07 10:02:50 PM
She ate the Wal Mart bottom round steak.
 
2014-03-07 10:02:58 PM

Shostie: Define "researchers."


Frontiers in Neuroscience is a reputable journal (my lab has published there a few times as well). Seems like an out-of-body experience is just using your imagination really hard.

/same thing has happened to me on shrooms a few times.
//also after smoking too much weed
 
2014-03-07 10:04:08 PM

Meisaims: Get back to me when you can paint things on her forehead, and have her describe them to you.


That's actually not such a bad idea. I'd be interested in reading up on the results.
 
2014-03-07 10:04:28 PM
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2014-03-07 10:04:34 PM
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2014-03-07 10:04:37 PM

Mr Rusty Shackleford: Lucid dreams for me are often accompanied by sleep paralysis and varying levels of terror.  Not so great for me.

There is a reasonable body of evidence to suggest out of body experiences and near death experiences are related to natural DMT in the body, e.g. the work of Rick Strassman and others.

Also, I recall reading about hospitals who have begun to place novel objects and images above areas in which near death/out of body experiences might occur.  Typically hidden from ground-level view atop shelving or cabinetry in the hospital rooms.  The thinking is that the potential exists that someone could have one of these experiences, "levitate" or whatever... and be able to later articulate objects hidden above them they would not have seen or known existed unless there was merit to their experience.

Interesting stuff IMO.  There is more to life and consciousness than meets the eye.


Woowoo magic.
 
2014-03-07 10:06:39 PM

secularsage: Easily tested. And easily debunked.

All you have to do is construct a double-blind test where she is required to "have an out of body experience" and use her capability to determine something that she couldn't ordinarily see (like a simple but unguessable message on a sign that is placed on the back of her chair).

She would be tested against a control group asked to perform the same task several different times. The researchers administering the test wouldn't know who was the test subject and who was in the control group. If she doesn't score better than the control group, it's bogus.

My suspicion is that she truly, honestly  believes she has this ability, but it's all in her head.

/That researchers are interested in scanning her brain is not validation of her ability; it's an attempt to understand how her brain behaves differently so they can attempt to understand which regions of the brain are impacted by the delusion. That's all. As usual, the Daily Fail gets the science almost entirely wrong.


The study doesn't aim to show that out of body experiences are actually that, but that the experience involves deactivation/inhibition of the visual cortex and lots of use of the temporal gyri, associated with kinesthetic perception (among other things). Which means she's able to control her brain in such a way that she perceives movement and leaving her body, not necessarily that she actually does. Don't assume a study does anything other than what it says it does.

/biggest problem with non-scientists attempting to read primary literature AND popular articles about science
 
2014-03-07 10:06:50 PM

MrEricSir: SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.

I had nightmares sometimes as a kid, and one night something sort of "clicked" when I realized I didn't have to go along with the nightmare and could make my own choices. It was over a decade later that I learned this was a common phenomenon, thanks to the 1997 edition of the Internet Yellow Pages.
What this woman's describing definitely sounds like an advanced form of lucid dream induction.


Whenever I begin to become aware that I'm dreaming I always start looking for a cute chick to have sex with. Is that weird?
 
2014-03-07 10:08:14 PM
 
2014-03-07 10:10:19 PM

Mr Rusty Shackleford: Lucid dreams for me are often accompanied by sleep paralysis and varying levels of terror.  Not so great for me.

There is a reasonable body of evidence to suggest out of body experiences and near death experiences are related to natural DMT in the body, e.g. the work of Rick Strassman and others.

Also, I recall reading about hospitals who have begun to place novel objects and images above areas in which near death/out of body experiences might occur.  Typically hidden from ground-level view atop shelving or cabinetry in the hospital rooms.  The thinking is that the potential exists that someone could have one of these experiences, "levitate" or whatever... and be able to later articulate objects hidden above them they would not have seen or known existed unless there was merit to their experience.

Interesting stuff IMO.  There is more to life and consciousness than meets the eye.


Its called the AWARE project
 
2014-03-07 10:11:22 PM
Can she do it while awake? Or does she have to be asleep? Why are out-of-body-experiences indistinguishable from dreams?

What does the body do when you're "away" from it? Are you conscious of it or anything happening to it? Can someone melt an ice cube on your neck or burn a cigarette butt on your forearm without you stirring? Let's try it and see.
 
2014-03-07 10:13:32 PM

Mr Rusty Shackleford: Lucid dreams for me are often accompanied by sleep paralysis and varying levels of terror.  Not so great for me.

There is a reasonable body of evidence to suggest out of body experiences and near death experiences are related to natural DMT in the body, e.g. the work of Rick Strassman and others.

Also, I recall reading about hospitals who have begun to place novel objects and images above areas in which near death/out of body experiences might occur.  Typically hidden from ground-level view atop shelving or cabinetry in the hospital rooms.  The thinking is that the potential exists that someone could have one of these experiences, "levitate" or whatever... and be able to later articulate objects hidden above them they would not have seen or known existed unless there was merit to their experience.

Interesting stuff IMO.  There is more to life and consciousness than meets the eye.


Oh man those still freak me out. I've had them from time to time. I've also seen all sorts of crazy stuff during that state. Usually demons or aliens. When it is going on it all seems quite real. My mom has had a few of these as well. Can't remember how we got on the subject but she was quite relieved that she wasn't going crazy and that this kind of thing happened to me. Of course we really don't think aliens are trying to abduct us or demons trying to choke us. But man it is still some freaky stuff.
 
2014-03-07 10:14:06 PM

Mantour: Mr Rusty Shackleford: Lucid dreams for me are often accompanied by sleep paralysis and varying levels of terror.  Not so great for me.

There is a reasonable body of evidence to suggest out of body experiences and near death experiences are related to natural DMT in the body, e.g. the work of Rick Strassman and others.

Also, I recall reading about hospitals who have begun to place novel objects and images above areas in which near death/out of body experiences might occur.  Typically hidden from ground-level view atop shelving or cabinetry in the hospital rooms.  The thinking is that the potential exists that someone could have one of these experiences, "levitate" or whatever... and be able to later articulate objects hidden above them they would not have seen or known existed unless there was merit to their experience.

Interesting stuff IMO.  There is more to life and consciousness than meets the eye.

Its called the AWARE project


Awesome, yes, thank you for the link!
 
2014-03-07 10:15:03 PM
Step forward little Miss.

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He has a test for you and if you pass, you win a million bucks!
 
2014-03-07 10:16:42 PM
Ohio? Yeah, they likely had his consent to both cuff and inject him. The pictures afterwards, probably not, but I can't really blame a bunch of people from Ohio for not realizing that their friend has kicked it.
 
2014-03-07 10:17:41 PM
YouTube has DMT and astral projection binaural videos. They give a great body stone. If you are into that sort of thing it can be really cool.
 
2014-03-07 10:18:45 PM

Tellingthem: Mr Rusty Shackleford: Lucid dreams for me are often accompanied by sleep paralysis and varying levels of terror.  Not so great for me.

There is a reasonable body of evidence to suggest out of body experiences and near death experiences are related to natural DMT in the body, e.g. the work of Rick Strassman and others.

Also, I recall reading about hospitals who have begun to place novel objects and images above areas in which near death/out of body experiences might occur.  Typically hidden from ground-level view atop shelving or cabinetry in the hospital rooms.  The thinking is that the potential exists that someone could have one of these experiences, "levitate" or whatever... and be able to later articulate objects hidden above them they would not have seen or known existed unless there was merit to their experience.

Interesting stuff IMO.  There is more to life and consciousness than meets the eye.

Oh man those still freak me out. I've had them from time to time. I've also seen all sorts of crazy stuff during that state. Usually demons or aliens. When it is going on it all seems quite real. My mom has had a few of these as well. Can't remember how we got on the subject but she was quite relieved that she wasn't going crazy and that this kind of thing happened to me. Of course we really don't think aliens are trying to abduct us or demons trying to choke us. But man it is still some freaky stuff.


Yeah that doesn't sound like fun at all.  The last one I recall having, I fell asleep on my couch watching TV, and in my dream the TV suddenly shut it self off, and I could no move to turn it back on.  I was still aurally aware, and then I proceeded to dream the sound of every one of my windows breaking one by one accompanied by children laughing manically.  I could not move to get up and investigate the noises and the laughter got louder and louder.  Good times!

/Drugs were not involved.
 
2014-03-07 10:19:38 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Ohio? Yeah, they likely had his consent to both cuff and inject him. The pictures afterwards, probably not, but I can't really blame a bunch of people from Ohio for not realizing that their friend has kicked it.


D'oh, I followed a side link on TFA and got excited. My comment still stands...
 
2014-03-07 10:20:12 PM
My favorite dreams are when I was dreaming of being at work right before I wake up to go to work...
 
2014-03-07 10:21:13 PM
I've had some profound farking amazing moments on various things and stuff and times and never felt the need to write a paper or submit myself to study after it. But I was never a psychology student.
 
2014-03-07 10:26:22 PM

secularsage: Easily tested. And easily debunked.

All you have to do is construct a double-blind test where she is required to "have an out of body experience" and use her capability to determine something that she couldn't ordinarily see (like a simple but unguessable message on a sign that is placed on the back of her chair).

She would be tested against a control group asked to perform the same task several different times. The researchers administering the test wouldn't know who was the test subject and who was in the control group. If she doesn't score better than the control group, it's bogus.

My suspicion is that she truly, honestly  believes she has this ability, but it's all in her head.

/That researchers are interested in scanning her brain is not validation of her ability; it's an attempt to understand how her brain behaves differently so they can attempt to understand which regions of the brain are impacted by the delusion. That's all. As usual, the Daily Fail gets the science almost entirely wrong.


Actually in the article the girl claims it's only the sensation of moving and she says she doesn't feel a separation between mind and body. So yeah, she basically says as much that it's all in her head.

I've had similar experiences while drifting asleep. There is merely a floating feeling and as she said a sensation of moving, but I'm also aware I'm not actually moving.
 
2014-03-07 10:32:08 PM

2wolves: Mr Rusty Shackleford: Interesting stuff IMO. There is more to life and consciousness than meets the eye.

And for the low, low, price of only four payments of $17.99 we'll send you the Meaning of Life.


How much more do I have to chip in to get the VHS version of "The Miracle Of Life?"
 
2014-03-07 10:32:21 PM

fusillade762: Whenever I begin to become aware that I'm dreaming I always start looking for a cute chick to have sex with. Is that weird?


I typically do two things:
1) Try to run/fly as fast as I can in a particular direction, to see what my brain generates in terms of scenery, and to see if I can outrun it and have it lose complexity.  It's pretty much like how it used to be (maybe still is?) with video games, when you can travel faster than the graphics card can render the surroundings.

2) I randomly assault people.  The people I assault usually take issue with this, to which I laughingly reply "it's a dream, there are no consequences!"

Based on that, if I ever lose touch with reality and think I'm dreaming when I'm not, I'm probably going to come out of it in a jail cell.
 
2014-03-07 10:33:09 PM

aspAddict: 2wolves: Mr Rusty Shackleford: Interesting stuff IMO. There is more to life and consciousness than meets the eye.

And for the low, low, price of only four payments of $17.99 we'll send you the Meaning of Life.

How much more do I have to chip in to get the VHS version of "The Miracle Of Life?"


Sorry, only available in betamax.
 
2014-03-07 10:34:30 PM
YUP!
 
2014-03-07 10:34:30 PM
I had a couple of them as a kid...I think.

It was sort of confusing and I didn't realize it was happening either time until it was over.
 
2014-03-07 10:34:43 PM

Mr Rusty Shackleford: Tellingthem: Mr Rusty Shackleford: Lucid dreams for me are often accompanied by sleep paralysis and varying levels of terror.  Not so great for me.

There is a reasonable body of evidence to suggest out of body experiences and near death experiences are related to natural DMT in the body, e.g. the work of Rick Strassman and others.

Also, I recall reading about hospitals who have begun to place novel objects and images above areas in which near death/out of body experiences might occur.  Typically hidden from ground-level view atop shelving or cabinetry in the hospital rooms.  The thinking is that the potential exists that someone could have one of these experiences, "levitate" or whatever... and be able to later articulate objects hidden above them they would not have seen or known existed unless there was merit to their experience.

Interesting stuff IMO.  There is more to life and consciousness than meets the eye.

Oh man those still freak me out. I've had them from time to time. I've also seen all sorts of crazy stuff during that state. Usually demons or aliens. When it is going on it all seems quite real. My mom has had a few of these as well. Can't remember how we got on the subject but she was quite relieved that she wasn't going crazy and that this kind of thing happened to me. Of course we really don't think aliens are trying to abduct us or demons trying to choke us. But man it is still some freaky stuff.

Yeah that doesn't sound like fun at all.  The last one I recall having, I fell asleep on my couch watching TV, and in my dream the TV suddenly shut it self off, and I could no move to turn it back on.  I was still aurally aware, and then I proceeded to dream the sound of every one of my windows breaking one by one accompanied by children laughing manically.  I could not move to get up and investigate the noises and the laughter got louder and louder.  Good times!

/Drugs were not involved.


Mine are always in bed. I wake not being able to move or speak. For the aliens one a light shines in the window and grabs me. It then picks me up a few feet above my bed. I never really see them but i can hear them. The demon one is a little 2ft high burnt looking thing with dark hairs covering its body and it always standing next to my bed holding my hand or arm, trying to take me down to hell. Each time I fight as hard as I can to move and am usually cursing it out in my mind. And then it ends as soon as I can manage to close my eyes. When I open them again I can move just fine and everything is as it was. Always takes me a second to calm back down and remember it's just a dream type thing. Amazing what the brain can conjure up when it short circuits or whatever causes this.
 
2014-03-07 10:35:02 PM

Dragonflew: Sounds legit. It is from the SCIENCE section of the Daily Mail.

MrEricSir: I had nightmares sometimes as a kid, and one night something sort of "clicked" when I realized I didn't have to go along with the nightmare and could make my own choices. It was over a decade later that I learned this was a common phenomenon, thanks to the 1997 edition of the Internet Yellow Pages.

I am a lucid dreamer too. My realisation was kind of the opposite of yours, though. It was long before I knew that not everyone could do it.


I was actually reading about it last night (yay insomnia!) and just found out that one of the ways they tested to see if the people were actually conscious or just dreaming they were conscious was to have them do certain signals with their eyes, since that's one thing that you can still somewhat control while you're dreaming. Which is interesting because my most vivid lucid dream, I shut my eyes as hard and tight as I could to try and wake myself up, and it seemed to work.
 
2014-03-07 10:38:45 PM

Smackledorfer: SecretAgentWoman: I've had "lucid dreams" which I think is similar, if not the same damn thing.

Lucid dreams are awesome. I always feel so alive afterward, even the odd nightmarish one I fail to mentally overcome.


Do you dream in color?
 
2014-03-07 10:39:15 PM
Codeine cough syrup gives me lucid dreams.   And sometimes when I try to nap.
 
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