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(KOLO TV Reno)   News: Woman convicted of murder may get new trial. Fark: 38 years later   (kolotv.com) divider line 59
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2014-03-07 06:21:03 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: CruiserTwelve: Because People in power are Stupid: Generally, cops just want to close cases. They don't care if their suspect is innocent or guilty.

Where did you get this belief? It's not even close to the truth.

From cops.


I agree. Generally cops are scumbags. Not all of them, just most of them.
 
2014-03-07 06:58:05 PM  

SundaesChild: Because it's irrelevant. If there are 10 cases and in 9 of them the convicted defendants are guilty, it doesn't change the fact that one of them was wrongly convicted.


So why withhold that information? Yes, they are doing a good thing by getting innocent people out of jail, but they're doing a huge injustice by not letting people know just how few people are being wrongly convicted. But Barry Scheck makes millions of dollars by fostering a mistrust of the judicial system, and allowing some people to believe the system is far worse than it really is.
 
2014-03-07 07:03:18 PM  

What_do_you_want_now: The system was never designed to be perfect, it was designed to give the defendant as much of a chance as the prosecution to "win" their desired verdict.


No. The system puts all of the weight on the prosecution. The defendant doesn't have to do anything but show up.

The system is not perfect, but if you can come up with something better let the world know.
 
2014-03-07 07:12:22 PM  

CruiserTwelve: SundaesChild: Because it's irrelevant. If there are 10 cases and in 9 of them the convicted defendants are guilty, it doesn't change the fact that one of them was wrongly convicted.

So why withhold that information? Yes, they are doing a good thing by getting innocent people out of jail, but they're doing a huge injustice by not letting people know just how few people are being wrongly convicted. But Barry Scheck makes millions of dollars by fostering a mistrust of the judicial system, and allowing some people to believe the system is far worse than it really is.


Mistrust is the foundation of the criminal justice system. It is why we require police officers to follow certain procedures and put a steep burden on conviction. It is why after all of that we still have appeal processes.

No. We trust the system only to a very limited extent. The system must prove guilt every time and gets no credit from previous cases that they are "right thus time".

Trust, but verify. And anyone who can not deal with meeting that standard should not wear a badge.
 
2014-03-07 07:26:34 PM  

CruiserTwelve: You choose to read stuff into my posts that aren't there but that help to support the beliefs you already hold.



Ditto

CruiserTwelve: >Did you know the "Innocence Project" that uses DNA to overcome false convictions refuses to release the number of cases they have investigated where DNA has supported the conviction? Why do you think that is?



But there is no "innocence project" for people falsely accused of something like, oh I don't know -marijuana possession.

I've been told by cops while they were conducting an illegal search of my friend's house that if I didn't leave (I was a witness to their illegal search) that they would 'find something to arrest me for'. I imagine that you are not that type of cop but what do you do to your fellow cops when they misbehave?
 
2014-03-07 09:14:53 PM  

CruiserTwelve: lindalouwho: There is plenty of evidence easily accessable to back up "this belief". I see others have posted to that effect.

Do you know how many "filters" a case has to pass through before someone is convicted of a crime? Yeah, sometimes people get convicted of crimes they didn't commit, but in most of those cases there's evidence of guilt. Rarely is someone convicted without any reason at all, and rarely is it the fault of the detective that filed the charges in the first place.

In this case they had a confession made to a mental health worker in another part of the country three years after the crime. The defendant knew where the crime took place and the name of the victim. That's pretty convincing evidence and I wouldn't be a bit surprised that she participated in the murder. Just because her DNA wasn't found on a cigarette butt at the scene doesn't mean she wasn't there.


Must be nice to live where you live. Almost everyone I know has themselves, or a family member, expirience levels of abuse of power from a night in jail for taking too long to find an owners card, to horrendous physical or mental abuse, to being "arrested" but not really arrested and having money disappear, car impounded and night in jail with no record of it and no way to call family or your job. Saw one lose that job. For no reason.

I could write stories all day, from every year of my life, detailing law gone wrong and abuse of power and lying and fabricated evidence and....

If your really in law enforcement, and really believe what you're saying is the norm and justice is mostly done - I invite you to follow what I'm about to do: expose an almost year long series of evil done to someone who was terribly ill and helpless. It has it all - medical record faking/forgery, trying to commit someone as psychotic/delusional/hallucinating/whatever hoping to "prove" they haven't done anything wrong because crazy (fun fact: doctors can't be fooled, they know if the person is in mental crisis, and they can easily test for drugs, not hard to tell that you saying someone hasn't drank, eaten or slept for 3 days is a lie.) So many lies, so many aspects and people infected. To protect a dirty little secret, she's causing every nasty word and deed, along with others who thought they'd chosen the winning side instead of the right
and decent side. Pity. The fallout that will affect people around them who don't deserve it is a criminal act with no name and no punishment.

If you're not trolling, you're darn naive. I'm not out to prove you wrong, per se, just to prove what can be done to decent people, hell shouldn't happen to anyone at all, by someone in law enforcement. Only reason she coulds do it. Along with some who don't care, those who are also abusive, sick, dirty, or other evils, people like you insisting "unpossible!" are responsible for allowing this malignancy in society to continue to thrive.

Think about that.......
 
2014-03-07 09:51:05 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Starshines: Speaking from my experience working in a DA's office in NYC, cops already have no credibility with the DA.  It doesn't really matter though, because the DA just has to go with what they got, which is usually the word of the cops.

So the cops have no credibility, but the DA's still prosecute their cases? Do you see a problem here?


Yeah I do.  It takes a certain kind of person to be a DA, namely the kind who thinks "I've got evidence that will play in court, or at least will bully a defendant into a plea deal if I hang enough years over him.  Best not look too closely beyond that."
 
2014-03-07 10:25:15 PM  
Our firm just won a 250k judgement for a man who, in 1969, was wrongfully convicted of killing his wife .  Spent a year in prison, watched 2 murders, heard amd smelled a third, and got stabbed by a guy they called 12 volt.
 
2014-03-08 06:19:49 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Next time a "cop" tells you that, ask him/her if they care about their credibility with the District Attorney or the courts.


Credibility with a DA is not exactly what I would call an aspiration. More of a sign you're doing something wrong. I'm sure there's good DAs out there. I have not met, nor heard of one.

Even when they get the real bad guys, it reeks of accuracy by volume.
 
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