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2014-03-07 01:27:18 PM
This one was uncomfortable to watch, as if the guy had been thrown into a tank of arctic water and he just shut down.  Crushing.

Gotta be prepared when TDS comes calling, though.  They don't let interviewees talk their way around questions.
 
2014-03-07 01:28:04 PM
I don't think I've ever seen someone whose job it is to go on TV regularly rendered quite so speechless.

Plus, Tennessee was one of the states that declined the Medicare expansion to show Fartbama what for.
 
2014-03-07 01:29:05 PM
I've been trying to understand since last night why that guy would have willingly come onto the Daily Show when this was the only possible way his interview could have ended. What the fark did he think was going to happen?
 
2014-03-07 01:44:29 PM
But Ofartcare will kill us.
 
2014-03-07 01:46:50 PM

Pocket Ninja: I've been trying to understand since last night why that guy would have willingly come onto the Daily Show when this was the only possible way his interview could have ended. What the fark did he think was going to happen?


I'm not able to watch the interview right now, but if we're talking about a right winger, I'm betting that the answer is that he thinks he is A: Right, and B: Smarter than Aasif Mandvi.

I'm guessing he was wrong on both counts. Smells like hubris.
 
2014-03-07 01:48:15 PM

Calmamity: I'm not able to watch the interview right now, but if we're talking about a right winger, I'm betting that the answer is that he thinks he is A: Right, and B: Smarter than Aasif Mandvi.


This guys solution to people who can't afford health care was "if you're poor, stop being poor". He wasnt' joking, that was his actual recommendation.

So, you decide what he is.
 
2014-03-07 01:51:45 PM

jake_lex: Plus, Tennessee was one of the states that declined the Medicare expansion to show Fartbama what for.


i1.ytimg.com

/toss-up between referencing this or Gypsy saying, "This is your dishwashing liquid..."
 
2014-03-07 01:55:53 PM
photos.imageevent.com
 
2014-03-07 01:58:24 PM
Once again, the liberally biased Daily Show practices their underhanded tactic of researching the claims made by an interviewee, and also of quoting the interviewee in full context.
 
2014-03-07 01:58:29 PM
I'm a regular watcher of TDS.
Last night was one of those moments when I'm thinking that... this can't be true.  There has to be some overdubbing or a stunt double of Mandvi when they show the back of his head, and the reaction shot is Mandvi actually asking a question like: "Tell me the best qualities of Hitler..." and then the just splice in the stupified response.
But then when that dolt actually said, "Stop being poor."

I mean.  Really?
His job is a tv pundit?
 
2014-03-07 01:58:59 PM

Pocket Ninja: I've been trying to understand since last night why that guy would have willingly come onto the Daily Show when this was the only possible way his interview could have ended. What the fark did he think was going to happen?


Because they actually believe that liberals are dumb. Thats why we get these wonderful shots of the moment of realization that they've just been caught in a logical trap, with no way out but to lie or remain silent. Beautiful to behold.
 
2014-03-07 01:59:26 PM

DamnYankees: Calmamity: I'm not able to watch the interview right now, but if we're talking about a right winger, I'm betting that the answer is that he thinks he is A: Right, and B: Smarter than Aasif Mandvi.

This guys solution to people who can't afford health care was "if you're poor, stop being poor". He wasnt' joking, that was his actual recommendation.

So, you decide what he is.


A.
B. and
C. Dumber than a wet beach towel.
 
2014-03-07 01:59:47 PM

DamnYankees: This guys solution to people who can't afford health care was "if you're poor, stop being poor". He wasnt' joking, that was his actual recommendation.

So, you decide what he is.


To be clear: he literally said what DY quoted, not a paraphrase, not an implied statement, but a quote.  O.O
 
2014-03-07 02:01:10 PM
This was one of those TDS that I couldn't even laugh at. It just made me sad. Conservatives always think they have a logical, intelligent position on alleviating poverty. But when they actually have to articulate it, it comes out stupid and evil and awful. Because it is.

I need that website that is all pictures of cute animals.
 
2014-03-07 02:02:06 PM

jake_lex: I don't think I've ever seen someone whose job it is to go on TV regularly rendered quite so speechless.



Most of the time the people on TV are either scripted or have been very well briefed on talking points and thus don't have to think too much.  So I am not surprised at all that a TV personality, especially a Fox News personality, is a complete moron.
 
2014-03-07 02:03:23 PM

jlawn001: I'm a regular watcher of TDS.
Last night was one of those moments when I'm thinking that... this can't be true.  There has to be some overdubbing or a stunt double of Mandvi when they show the back of his head, and the reaction shot is Mandvi actually asking a question like: "Tell me the best qualities of Hitler..." and then the just splice in the stupified response.
But then when that dolt actually said, "Stop being poor."

I mean.  Really?
His job is a tv pundit?


All Daily Show interviews are real this way. I remember reading a piece about how they operate - basically, the Daily Show will never splice up a question and answer because its too easy to sue them. When they interview people, they ALWAYS have to say the question and capture the answer in the same take, and then play them together on the air, otherwise they'll be sued for defamation (or whatever). Apparently it can lead to annoying interviews when Samantha Bee or whoever has to repeat a question 10 times, because they refuse to let guests answer a question unless it has been asked immediately prior to the answer.
 
2014-03-07 02:03:38 PM
Yayyy my first politics green light! But sad that this is the highlight of my day.

So I guess the Republican argument is that yes we have the best healthcare in the world but only if you can afford it, but if you can't there is a nice pine box with your name on it. Oh and dont be poor, Slacker. There are people working 40 plus hours a week that cant afford healthcare. They are hardly slackers but the GOP considers them moochers. Free Market must be code for i'm an uncaring A-hole now.

Im also shocked that a 3rd world medical unit has to be called on here in america is not considered news and that I had to learn it on the Daily Show. Way to go Tennessee for sticking it to Obama at the expense of your people
 
2014-03-07 02:03:41 PM
I can't believe the Republican talking point that America has the best healthcare is completely false. Who would think a system that's been price gouging its poorest citizens to stay alive wouldn't be considered the best system?
 
2014-03-07 02:05:09 PM

Dimensio: Once again, the liberally biased Daily Show practices their underhanded tactic of researching the claims made by an interviewee, and also of quoting the interviewee in full context.


Liberal MSM and their gotcha questions. How dare they ask questions about what we really said?
 
2014-03-07 02:05:20 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Free Market must be code for i'm an uncaring A-hole now.


"Free market" has been code for "I'm an uncaring asshole" for quite some time.
 
2014-03-07 02:06:18 PM
HOLY CRAP. Not only the tragedy of healthcare in the United States today... but seeing that bastard apologist's brain completely lock up like that?

What a jerk.
 
2014-03-07 02:06:25 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Free Market must be code for i'm an uncaring A-hole now.


Now?
 
2014-03-07 02:07:08 PM

Pocket Ninja: I've been trying to understand since last night why that guy would have willingly come onto the Daily Show when this was the only possible way his interview could have ended. What the fark did he think was going to happen?


Because they know from going on the 24/7 cable channels that if you keep repeating "America (except for it's government) is the best at everything, and disputing that comment makes you a bad American" makes them look strong and their opponents look weak trying to cite egg-headed statistics that were obviously made by anti-American groups jealous of how great America is.
 
2014-03-07 02:10:58 PM
Watching that guy's brain break was a joy to behold.
 
2014-03-07 02:12:29 PM

Calmamity: Pocket Ninja: I've been trying to understand since last night why that guy would have willingly come onto the Daily Show when this was the only possible way his interview could have ended. What the fark did he think was going to happen?

I'm not able to watch the interview right now, but if we're talking about a right winger, I'm betting that the answer is that he thinks he is A: Right, and B: Smarter than Aasif Mandvi.

I'm guessing he was wrong on both counts. Smells like hubris.


Hubris? From a right-winger?
 
2014-03-07 02:13:35 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Yayyy my first politics green light! But sad that this is the highlight of my day.

So I guess the Republican argument is that yes we have the best healthcare in the world but only if you can afford it, but if you can't there is a nice pine box with your name on it. Oh and dont be poor, Slacker. There are people working 40 plus hours a week that cant afford healthcare. They are hardly slackers but the GOP considers them moochers. Free Market must be code for i'm an uncaring A-hole now.

Im also shocked that a 3rd world medical unit has to be called on here in america is not considered news and that I had to learn it on the Daily Show. Way to go Tennessee for sticking it to Obama at the expense of your people


The problem with "Free Market" types is they forget that part of a free market is all sides possessing the same information. The "Free Market" as it is today tries to ensure at the very least consumers are as dis/misinformed as much as legally possible.
 
2014-03-07 02:13:40 PM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: Liberal MSM and their gotcha questions. How dare they ask questions about what we really said?


Sarah Palin accused Katie Couric of "gotcha journalism" for asking what type of newspapers/magazines she reads.  I can't imagine how hard she would have vapor-locked if she'd walked into this Q&A with Mandvi.  I doubt Mandvi even anticipated that flop'n'twitch reaction.

I mean, that was sort of a "gotcha" but they were there to talk about the US healthcare system, so I guess it only became a "gotcha" when the guy BSOD'd.
 
2014-03-07 02:13:55 PM

factoryconnection: DamnYankees: This guys solution to people who can't afford health care was "if you're poor, stop being poor". He wasnt' joking, that was his actual recommendation.

So, you decide what he is.

To be clear: he literally said what DY quoted, not a paraphrase, not an implied statement, but a quote.  O.O


Look, 90% of those people have refrigerators.  They need to get a GED and hold down a job for more than a year, they'll be fine. And if you can survive that year until you get healthcare, you didn't need healthcare that badly anyway, you whiny baby.

I think I'm going to quit my job today.  I'll tell my boss I've been there for over a year, and I've decided to stop being poor.  It's time, boss.
 
2014-03-07 02:14:35 PM
img.fark.net

Sorry, first thing I thought of.
 
2014-03-07 02:14:35 PM
Is that Stan Brock's real hair?
 
2014-03-07 02:15:03 PM

MayoSlather: I can't believe the Republican talking point that America has the best healthcare is completely false. Who would think a system that's been price gouging its poorest citizens to stay alive wouldn't be considered the best system?


Um, Republicans?

This isn't a talking point for them. They actually believe that.
 
2014-03-07 02:15:10 PM
Sometimes I just wish the interviewer would just punch the idiot in the face when the interviewee demonstrates they are such a colossal retard.

However, the schadenfreude was priceless.
 
2014-03-07 02:15:53 PM
Republican Outreach 2014:  STOP BEING POOR

Truly they have the bestest ideas.  They just need to communicate them better.
 
2014-03-07 02:20:16 PM
Opinion question for anyone interested in answering:

You won't generally see hardline conservatives admitting that the laissez-faire nation they envision will be very very bad for some people. That many people will be reduced to homelessness and hunger; that many kids will go without education; that many people will lose access even to rudimentary health care, etc.

Normally they paper all that over with bs like "if we just pass large enough tax cuts for the rich, poor people will be able to afford to send their own kids to private school!" They often claim that private charity will pick up all the slack in other deficient areas.

So what percentage of conservatives do you think actually believe their own bullsh*t? Surely some percentage of them have been hooked by the rhetoric. But some other percentage well know the predictable consequences of of shutting down public assistance programs. They just parrot the bullsh*t because they know voters don't want the society they envision.

And who are they, demographically? Is there any way to identify them? What else do we know about them? Etc.

I normally assume it is most of them. I doubt the sincerity of any rightist who claims shutting down public assistance programs will be really good for the poor, or at least won't really hurt them. It's just too implausible a belief to think millions and millions of conservatives actually believe.
 
2014-03-07 02:20:25 PM
Aasif's interviews are really damn good, it's sad that he will likely be the next to leave TDS.
 
2014-03-07 02:24:49 PM
When I was in college (mid 80's) I did not have health insurance yet when I had to go to the doctor or dentist the bills did not kill me. Flash forward to today when a trip to the doctor to check my blood runs several hundred dollars. Over time what has happened is that even though insurance pays for most of that cost, it seems that the insurance industry has built a system wherein providers can charge what they want to because they know they'll be reimbursed and the patient will not go broke (since insurance pays the bills). These days a simple kidney-stone removal procedure might easily run $25K (mine did) whereas 20 years ago it was a fraction of that. In other words, these days if you either cannot afford insurance or if work does not provide it for you...you are simply screwed.
 
2014-03-07 02:25:21 PM
What's horrifying to me is not that there are people this amoral in the world, but APPARENTLY THE POPULATION OF TENNESSEE IS OK WITH THE STATUS QUO, SINCE THEY KEEP RE-ELECTING THESE GUYS.

Christ on a cracker, it's almost hard to feel sorry for people this goddamned dumb.
 
2014-03-07 02:26:50 PM
I can't believe he said "just stop being poor" - is it that easy?
 
2014-03-07 02:26:54 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: yes we have the best healthcare in the world but only if you can afford it, but if you can't there is a nice pine box with your name on it.


Please. As if someone who can't afford health insurance can afford a coffin.  If their next of kin are  lucky, they might be able to get government assistance for a cremation.
 
2014-03-07 02:27:09 PM

Superjew: Republican Outreach 2014:  STOP BEING POOR

Truly they have the bestest ideas.  They just need to communicate them better.


Right up there with let them eat cake. Let's hope there are commensurate beheadings.
 
2014-03-07 02:29:57 PM

Paul Baumer: What's horrifying to me is not that there are people this amoral in the world, but APPARENTLY THE POPULATION OF TENNESSEE IS OK WITH THE STATUS QUO, SINCE THEY KEEP RE-ELECTING THESE GUYS.

Christ on a cracker, it's almost hard to feel sorry for people this goddamned dumb.


They blame it all on the federal government while the state government bends them over deliverance style.
 
2014-03-07 02:30:28 PM

DamnYankees: Calmamity: I'm not able to watch the interview right now, but if we're talking about a right winger, I'm betting that the answer is that he thinks he is A: Right, and B: Smarter than Aasif Mandvi.

This guys solution to people who can't afford health care was "if you're poor, stop being poor". He wasnt' joking, that was his actual recommendation.

So, you decide what he is.


I actually gasped when he said that.  My husband was in the other room and came rushing in because he thought something was wrong.  "Just stop being poor."  Un-friggin'-believable.

And then he tried to defend it by saying they should get a GED (because the only thing stopping you from being poor is a HS diploma, apparently).
 
2014-03-07 02:30:39 PM

DamnYankees: jlawn001: I'm a regular watcher of TDS.
Last night was one of those moments when I'm thinking that... this can't be true.  There has to be some overdubbing or a stunt double of Mandvi when they show the back of his head, and the reaction shot is Mandvi actually asking a question like: "Tell me the best qualities of Hitler..." and then the just splice in the stupified response.
But then when that dolt actually said, "Stop being poor."

I mean.  Really?
His job is a tv pundit?

All Daily Show interviews are real this way. I remember reading a piece about how they operate - basically, the Daily Show will never splice up a question and answer because its too easy to sue them. When they interview people, they ALWAYS have to say the question and capture the answer in the same take, and then play them together on the air, otherwise they'll be sued for defamation (or whatever). Apparently it can lead to annoying interviews when Samantha Bee or whoever has to repeat a question 10 times, because they refuse to let guests answer a question unless it has been asked immediately prior to the answer.


Yeah, I got a little insight into the interview process years ago when TDS came to Alabama and interviewed the guy (who I knew slightly) leading an effort to legalize higher alcohol "gourmet" beer.  He said they really prodded him to use a hokey phrase he never would have used otherwise.  Not explicitly dishonest, but definitely aimed at the comedy angle.

/beerlicious!
 
2014-03-07 02:34:02 PM
Superjew: Republican Outreach 2014:  STOP BEING POOR

Truly they have the bestest ideas.  They just need to communicate them better.

I have a feeling my mother-in-law would buy that if it was in bumper sticker form and she would think it's speaking the truth. Aasif is a damn good reporter for a fake news show.
 
2014-03-07 02:34:08 PM

fruitloop: Aasif's interviews are really damn good, it's sad that he will likely be the next to leave TDS.


Was thinking the same thing, he really does the best remotes and interviews. So did Carrel and Colbert as well. I was thinking he might be the next to leave but Bee And Jones have been there a long time too. TDS might be very screwed if those three leave soon
 
2014-03-07 02:37:27 PM
Semi-related: What the fark is wrong with the Hulu player?
 
2014-03-07 02:37:31 PM

Paul Baumer: What's horrifying to me is not that there are people this amoral in the world, but APPARENTLY THE POPULATION OF TENNESSEE IS OK WITH THE STATUS QUO, SINCE THEY KEEP RE-ELECTING THESE GUYS.

Christ on a cracker, it's almost hard to feel sorry for people this goddamned dumb.


Those OTHER people are moochers and takers. I'M just currently experiencing a rough patch and will soon have a Scrooge McDuck sized money bin, if I just say my prayers to Republican Jesus and a few Hail Reagans.

Just listen to Coach:

i.ytimg.com
 
2014-03-07 02:39:19 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Yayyy my first politics green light! But sad that this is the highlight of my day.

So I guess the Republican argument is that yes we have the best healthcare in the world but only if you can afford it, but if you can't there is a nice pine box with your name on it. Oh and dont be poor, Slacker. There are people working 40 plus hours a week that cant afford healthcare. They are hardly slackers but the GOP considers them moochers. Free Market must be code for i'm an uncaring A-hole now.

Im also shocked that a 3rd world medical unit has to be called on here in america is not considered news and that I had to learn it on the Daily Show. Way to go Tennessee for sticking it to Obama at the expense of your people

 
2014-03-07 02:40:23 PM

Pocket Ninja: I've been trying to understand since last night why that guy would have willingly come onto the Daily Show when this was the only possible way his interview could have ended. What the fark did he think was going to happen?


They think they're smarter than a silly Libby Jew like Stewart... It's what they get for doing their own thinking.
 
2014-03-07 02:42:04 PM

brigid_fitch: ItchyMcDoogle: Yayyy my first politics green light! But sad that this is the highlight of my day.

So I guess the Republican argument is that yes we have the best healthcare in the world but only if you can afford it, but if you can't there is a nice pine box with your name on it. Oh and dont be poor, Slacker. There are people working 40 plus hours a week that cant afford healthcare. They are hardly slackers but the GOP considers them moochers. Free Market must be code for i'm an uncaring A-hole now.

Im also shocked that a 3rd world medical unit has to be called on here in america is not considered news and that I had to learn it on the Daily Show. Way to go Tennessee for sticking it to Obama at the expense of your people


This is what I get for not previewing first.  Meant to add this but Fark threw it away:
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-07 02:42:08 PM
And, I think the geographic region known as "the South" should always be referred to as "the third world." At least, until there are some signs of progress.


/resides in partially-third-world Kentucky
 
2014-03-07 02:44:43 PM

Mithiwithi: ItchyMcDoogle: yes we have the best healthcare in the world but only if you can afford it, but if you can't there is a nice pine box with your name on it.


Please. As if someone who can't afford health insurance can afford a coffin.  If their next of kin are  lucky, they might be able to get government assistance for a cremation.


All you need to do is nail six death panels together. Et voila! Pine box.
 
2014-03-07 02:44:54 PM

MelGoesOnTour: When I was in college (mid 80's) I did not have health insurance yet when I had to go to the doctor or dentist the bills did not kill me. Flash forward to today when a trip to the doctor to check my blood runs several hundred dollars. Over time what has happened is that even though insurance pays for most of that cost, it seems that the insurance industry has built a system wherein providers can charge what they want to because they know they'll be reimbursed and the patient will not go broke (since insurance pays the bills). These days a simple kidney-stone removal procedure might easily run $25K (mine did) whereas 20 years ago it was a fraction of that. In other words, these days if you either cannot afford insurance or if work does not provide it for you...you are simply screwed.


One factor behind this is that insurer HMO or PPO contracts are the only force that pushes prices downwards. So if you were insured and went to an "in-network" doctor and lab, they would have agreed (in advance, with the insurer) to bill probably about 1/5 of what you were billed. Then the insurance picks up whatever percentage of that and the patient pays the rest.

Yep - in the USA, the uninsured pay the most for health care.

Price controls - it's how other countries keep prices more or less sane, and the only thing that works in health care. Free-market competition doesn't work when the prices are opaque, information is this asymmetric, and there are big barriers to entry (not just anyone can draw blood, order tests, prescribe drugs, manufacture drugs, etc., mostly for very good reasons).
 
2014-03-07 02:47:05 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Yayyy my first politics green light! But sad that this is the highlight of my day.

So I guess the Republican argument is that yes we have the best healthcare in the world but only if you can afford it, but if you can't there is a nice pine box with your name on it. Oh and dont be poor, Slacker. There are people working 40 plus hours a week that cant afford healthcare. They are hardly slackers but the GOP considers them moochers. Free Market must be code for i'm an uncaring A-hole now.

Im also shocked that a 3rd world medical unit has to be called on here in america is not considered news and that I had to learn it on the Daily Show. Way to go Tennessee for sticking it to Obama at the expense of your people


Yayyy your first politics green light misspells Tennessee!
 
2014-03-07 02:47:06 PM

Baz744: Opinion question for anyone interested in answering:

You won't generally see hardline conservatives admitting that the laissez-faire nation they envision will be very very bad for some people. That many people will be reduced to homelessness and hunger; that many kids will go without education; that many people will lose access even to rudimentary health care, etc.

Normally they paper all that over with bs like "if we just pass large enough tax cuts for the rich, poor people will be able to afford to send their own kids to private school!" They often claim that private charity will pick up all the slack in other deficient areas.

So what percentage of conservatives do you think actually believe their own bullsh*t?


I think most of them, like 95% believe 95% of it. It's their programed mind set, it just like extreme religious types, they only believe what supports their own beliefs, they avoid thinking anything completely threw as it might injure their beliefs. It's what some people call faith, but I prefer to call brain washing.
 
2014-03-07 02:47:46 PM

EyeballKid: And, I think the geographic region known as "the South" should always be referred to as "the third world." At least, until there are some signs of progress.


/resides in partially-third-world Kentucky


Most of Jefferson County is at least second world.
 
2014-03-07 02:49:17 PM

ManateeGag: I can't believe he said "just stop being poor" - is it that easy?


Yep. You poors are just too lazy to keep a job for a year.
 
2014-03-07 02:49:32 PM
Tenn/Alabama/Mississippi are all in a race to the bottom.
 
2014-03-07 02:50:12 PM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: Dimensio: Once again, the liberally biased Daily Show practices their underhanded tactic of researching the claims made by an interviewee, and also of quoting the interviewee in full context.

Liberal MSM and their gotcha questions. How dare they ask questions about what we really said?


The press should only ask the questions we want to answer, so that they report the news the way we want it reported.
 
2014-03-07 02:54:10 PM

Baz744: Opinion question for anyone interested in answering:

You won't generally see hardline conservatives admitting that the laissez-faire nation they envision will be very very bad for some people. That many people will be reduced to homelessness and hunger; that many kids will go without education; that many people will lose access even to rudimentary health care, etc.

Normally they paper all that over with bs like "if we just pass large enough tax cuts for the rich, poor people will be able to afford to send their own kids to private school!" They often claim that private charity will pick up all the slack in other deficient areas.

So what percentage of conservatives do you think actually believe their own bullsh*t? Surely some percentage of them have been hooked by the rhetoric. But some other percentage well know the predictable consequences of of shutting down public assistance programs. They just parrot the bullsh*t because they know voters don't want the society they envision.

And who are they, demographically? Is there any way to identify them? What else do we know about them? Etc.

I normally assume it is most of them. I doubt the sincerity of any rightist who claims shutting down public assistance programs will be really good for the poor, or at least won't really hurt them. It's just too implausible a belief to think millions and millions of conservatives actually believe.


I think a large fraction of them do really believe the BS. Remember when Karl friggin' Rove, the poster child for cynical manipulation, broke down on election night because Ohio didn't follow the "unskewed polls" model? Supposedly even Mitt Romney himself was surprised that the election wasn't close.

Once you get into a reality bubble, because beliefs needn't have any tether to reality, they can get pretty strange pretty quick.

Tomorrow's politicians come from today's base, and I think the right-wing reality bubble has been around long enough that new GOP politicians believe in it. Look at Republican State legislatures actually trying to ban abortion, instead of keeping it around as a wedge issue. If they succeed, they just defanged a big motivator for their people to keep turning out at election time, so they probably just actually want to ban abortion.
 
2014-03-07 02:55:51 PM
I crushed a disc in my back playing football when I was 16. I have lived almost my entire life without health insurance. I always worked for myself because suddenly not being able to walk for a week at a time limits employment options. I am now 52, and a couple of years ago my back got so bad I simply couldn't work anymore.

I was homeless for a time. Living out of my truck, and camping in national forests. To my good fortune my SSI claim went through in record time, 62 days from application to acceptance. Practically the speed of light when it comes to disability applications.

I now live a very humble life, living large on the $710 I get in SSI, and the $75 a month I get in SNAP. And I will tell you, I am so grateful for the assistance that allows me at least a little dignity in life.

However,to those of you who simply think I'm some sort of taker who is scamming the system. Fark you with a rusty baseball bat!!!

Not only will I continue to live my life just to piss people like this off, but I have gained the ultimate in what these people hate. I'm poor, and I have not only found a way to have a roof over my head and enough to eat, but I have also found something I thought I would never fund in this life. Contentment.
 
2014-03-07 02:56:39 PM

Linux_Yes: Tenn/Alabama/Mississippi are all in a race to the bottom.


Only if they legalize gay marriage.
 
2014-03-07 02:58:08 PM

brigid_fitch: brigid_fitch: ItchyMcDoogle: Yayyy my first politics green light! But sad that this is the highlight of my day.

So I guess the Republican argument is that yes we have the best healthcare in the world but only if you can afford it, but if you can't there is a nice pine box with your name on it. Oh and dont be poor, Slacker. There are people working 40 plus hours a week that cant afford healthcare. They are hardly slackers but the GOP considers them moochers. Free Market must be code for i'm an uncaring A-hole now.

Im also shocked that a 3rd world medical unit has to be called on here in america is not considered news and that I had to learn it on the Daily Show. Way to go Tennessee for sticking it to Obama at the expense of your people

This is what I get for not previewing first.  Meant to add this but Fark threw it away:
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Hate it when that happens..But is there no edit feature here or am I not seeing it..Or is it only for total farkers. Or is it a easter egg when you type "Duke Sucks"

On the subject the GOP may hem and haw about what a nut job Grayson is but hes not wrong. That is the GOP plan. Every interview with a republican with that subject(ish) they will A) change the subject B) get pissed off and attack the mainstream media C) talk about emergency rooms that make a higher burden on the taxpayer or say that magical charities will take care of our sick but never offering any examples of that.

One thing a Republican will never EVER do is offer a doable realistic solution that provides affordable good healthcare to all americans. Or even try. But then again sometimes I feel that they get joy when the % 53 plus suffer
 
2014-03-07 02:59:39 PM

duke3522: I crushed a disc in my back playing football when I was 16. I have lived almost my entire life without health insurance. I always worked for myself because suddenly not being able to walk for a week at a time limits employment options. I am now 52, and a couple of years ago my back got so bad I simply couldn't work anymore.

I was homeless for a time. Living out of my truck, and camping in national forests. To my good fortune my SSI claim went through in record time, 62 days from application to acceptance. Practically the speed of light when it comes to disability applications.

I now live a very humble life, living large on the $710 I get in SSI, and the $75 a month I get in SNAP. And I will tell you, I am so grateful for the assistance that allows me at least a little dignity in life.

However,to those of you who simply think I'm some sort of taker who is scamming the system. Fark you with a rusty baseball bat!!!

Not only will I continue to live my life just to piss people like this off, but I have gained the ultimate in what these people hate. I'm poor, and I have not only found a way to have a roof over my head and enough to eat, but I have also found something I thought I would never fund in this life. Contentment.


You probably have a fridge too.
 
2014-03-07 03:01:00 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: Baz744: Opinion question for anyone interested in answering:

You won't generally see hardline conservatives admitting that the laissez-faire nation they envision will be very very bad for some people. That many people will be reduced to homelessness and hunger; that many kids will go without education; that many people will lose access even to rudimentary health care, etc.

Normally they paper all that over with bs like "if we just pass large enough tax cuts for the rich, poor people will be able to afford to send their own kids to private school!" They often claim that private charity will pick up all the slack in other deficient areas.

So what percentage of conservatives do you think actually believe their own bullsh*t? Surely some percentage of them have been hooked by the rhetoric. But some other percentage well know the predictable consequences of of shutting down public assistance programs. They just parrot the bullsh*t because they know voters don't want the society they envision.

And who are they, demographically? Is there any way to identify them? What else do we know about them? Etc.

I normally assume it is most of them. I doubt the sincerity of any rightist who claims shutting down public assistance programs will be really good for the poor, or at least won't really hurt them. It's just too implausible a belief to think millions and millions of conservatives actually believe.

I think a large fraction of them do really believe the BS. Remember when Karl friggin' Rove, the poster child for cynical manipulation, broke down on election night because Ohio didn't follow the "unskewed polls" model? Supposedly even Mitt Romney himself was surprised that the election wasn't close.

Once you get into a reality bubble, because beliefs needn't have any tether to reality, they can get pretty strange pretty quick.

Tomorrow's politicians come from today's base, and I think the right-wing reality bubble has been around long enough that new GOP politicians believe in it. Look at Republican State legislatures actually trying to ban abortion, instead of keeping it around as a wedge issue. If they succeed, they just defanged a big motivator for their people to keep turning out at election time, so they probably just actually want to ban abortion.


Ugh, I don't know what's more depressing; the video or the fact that you're completely right...
 
2014-03-07 03:04:51 PM
2013hoaxblog.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-03-07 03:05:01 PM

impaler: Hubris? From a right-winger?


It's more likely than you centipede.
 
2014-03-07 03:05:36 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: Remember when Karl friggin' Rove, the poster child for cynical manipulation, broke down on election night because Ohio didn't follow the "unskewed polls" model? Supposedly even Mitt Romney himself was surprised that the election wasn't close.


Interesting point.
 
2014-03-07 03:06:37 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: Baz744: Opinion question for anyone interested in answering:

You won't generally see hardline conservatives admitting that the laissez-faire nation they envision will be very very bad for some people. That many people will be reduced to homelessness and hunger; that many kids will go without education; that many people will lose access even to rudimentary health care, etc.

Normally they paper all that over with bs like "if we just pass large enough tax cuts for the rich, poor people will be able to afford to send their own kids to private school!" They often claim that private charity will pick up all the slack in other deficient areas.

So what percentage of conservatives do you think actually believe their own bullsh*t? Surely some percentage of them have been hooked by the rhetoric. But some other percentage well know the predictable consequences of of shutting down public assistance programs. They just parrot the bullsh*t because they know voters don't want the society they envision.

And who are they, demographically? Is there any way to identify them? What else do we know about them? Etc.

I normally assume it is most of them. I doubt the sincerity of any rightist who claims shutting down public assistance programs will be really good for the poor, or at least won't really hurt them. It's just too implausible a belief to think millions and millions of conservatives actually believe.

I think a large fraction of them do really believe the BS. Remember when Karl friggin' Rove, the poster child for cynical manipulation, broke down on election night because Ohio didn't follow the "unskewed polls" model? Supposedly even Mitt Romney himself was surprised that the election wasn't close.

Once you get into a reality bubble, because beliefs needn't have any tether to reality, they can get pretty strange pretty quick.

Tomorrow's politicians come from today's base, and I think the right-wing reality bubble has been around long enough that new GOP politicians believe in it. Look at Republican State legislatures actually trying to ban abortion, instead of keeping it around as a wedge issue. If they succeed, they just defanged a big motivator for their people to keep turning out at election time, so they probably just actually want to ban abortion.


What is amazing about the election night breakdown was that I was playing along at home, watching the states fall into place one by one, exactly as Nate Silver predicted. It's not like accurate projections weren't available if you looked in the right places.
 
2014-03-07 03:06:44 PM

someonelse: This was one of those TDS that I couldn't even laugh at. It just made me sad....

 
2014-03-07 03:07:09 PM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: EyeballKid: And, I think the geographic region known as "the South" should always be referred to as "the third world." At least, until there are some signs of progress.


/resides in partially-third-world Kentucky

Most of Jefferson County is at least second world.


Communist?

/makes sense, in a way
 
2014-03-07 03:08:16 PM

Pocket Ninja: I've been trying to understand since last night why that guy would have willingly come onto the Daily Show when this was the only possible way his interview could have ended. What the fark did he think was going to happen?


i.ytimg.com
 
2014-03-07 03:09:03 PM

TerminalEchoes: Yayyy your first politics green light misspells Tennessee!


Oh goddamit! I knew it was too good to be true...ugh..
 
2014-03-07 03:10:17 PM

MayoSlather: Paul Baumer: What's horrifying to me is not that there are people this amoral in the world, but APPARENTLY THE POPULATION OF TENNESSEE IS OK WITH THE STATUS QUO, SINCE THEY KEEP RE-ELECTING THESE GUYS.

Christ on a cracker, it's almost hard to feel sorry for people this goddamned dumb.

They blame it all on the federal government while the state government bends them over deliverance style.



www.themoviegourmet.com

What that state government looks like
/Ya shur gotta purty mouth...
 
2014-03-07 03:10:41 PM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: duke3522: I crushed a disc in my back playing football when I was 16. I have lived almost my entire life without health insurance. I always worked for myself because suddenly not being able to walk for a week at a time limits employment options. I am now 52, and a couple of years ago my back got so bad I simply couldn't work anymore.

I was homeless for a time. Living out of my truck, and camping in national forests. To my good fortune my SSI claim went through in record time, 62 days from application to acceptance. Practically the speed of light when it comes to disability applications.

I now live a very humble life, living large on the $710 I get in SSI, and the $75 a month I get in SNAP. And I will tell you, I am so grateful for the assistance that allows me at least a little dignity in life.

However,to those of you who simply think I'm some sort of taker who is scamming the system. Fark you with a rusty baseball bat!!!

Not only will I continue to live my life just to piss people like this off, but I have gained the ultimate in what these people hate. I'm poor, and I have not only found a way to have a roof over my head and enough to eat, but I have also found something I thought I would never fund in this life. Contentment.

You probably have a fridge too.


Yep, and it keeps the beer my son buys me nice and cold!

/oh the horrors
//a poor has beer
///if a poor isn't miserable he/she is getting way to much help
 
2014-03-07 03:12:12 PM

Superjew: Republican Outreach 2014:  STOP BEING POOR

Truly they have the bestest ideas.  They just need to communicate them better.


If you rephrase that as "JUST BE MORE BOOTSTRAPPY!" it comes across much better.  See?  Communication problem solved!
 
2014-03-07 03:12:27 PM

Mad_Radhu: What is amazing about the election night breakdown was that I was playing along at home, watching the states fall into place one by one, exactly as Nate Silver predicted. It's not like accurate projections weren't available if you looked in the right places.


I wonder if Nate is going to keep a similar blog for 2016. I hope so.

There actually is an incentive for him not to, though. He's successfully predicted the electoral vote outcome of two elections now, one perfectly, and the other almost perfectly (Indiana unexpectedly went for Obama in 2008). That gives him a lot of credibility. If he doesn't get 2016 as close as the last two, he could lose some of that.

On the other hand, his methods seem reliable so far.
 
2014-03-07 03:15:06 PM

tjsands1118: I think most of them, like 95% believe 95% of it. It's their programed mind set, it just like extreme religious types, they only believe what supports their own beliefs, they avoid thinking anything completely threw as it might injure their beliefs. It's what some people call faith, but I prefer to call brain washing.


I do believe there's a core of insiders who know they're bullsh*tting, though.
 
2014-03-07 03:18:07 PM

Baz744: That gives him a lot of credibility. If he doesn't get 2016 as close as the last two, he could lose some of that.

On the other hand, his methods seem reliable so far.


The funny thing is that he doesn't even pretend to have some sort of secret sauce. He just harmonizes the basic statisticals and doesn't try to lie to himself and/or everybody else about what the numbers are actually saying.
 
2014-03-07 03:19:30 PM
It'd be easier to stop being poor if you'd stop being a douchebag.
 
2014-03-07 03:20:34 PM

incendi: Baz744: That gives him a lot of credibility. If he doesn't get 2016 as close as the last two, he could lose some of that.

On the other hand, his methods seem reliable so far.

The funny thing is that he doesn't even pretend to have some sort of secret sauce. He just harmonizes the basic statisticals and doesn't try to lie to himself and/or everybody else about what the numbers are actually saying.


And the sad thing is that some people just can't fathom someone doing that.
 
2014-03-07 03:22:48 PM

Baz744: Mad_Radhu: What is amazing about the election night breakdown was that I was playing along at home, watching the states fall into place one by one, exactly as Nate Silver predicted. It's not like accurate projections weren't available if you looked in the right places.

I wonder if Nate is going to keep a similar blog for 2016. I hope so.

There actually is an incentive for him not to, though. He's successfully predicted the electoral vote outcome of two elections now, one perfectly, and the other almost perfectly (Indiana unexpectedly went for Obama in 2008). That gives him a lot of credibility. If he doesn't get 2016 as close as the last two, he could lose some of that.

On the other hand, his methods seem reliable so far.


He's been tweeting a lot about relaunching the 538 site as a high quality blog, and he is hiring a lot of new writers and analysts. He's going to be focusing on politics, sports, science and lifestyle. It should launch in time for the fall elections.
 
2014-03-07 03:23:52 PM

DamnYankees: jlawn001: I'm a regular watcher of TDS.
Last night was one of those moments when I'm thinking that... this can't be true.  There has to be some overdubbing or a stunt double of Mandvi when they show the back of his head, and the reaction shot is Mandvi actually asking a question like: "Tell me the best qualities of Hitler..." and then the just splice in the stupified response.
But then when that dolt actually said, "Stop being poor."

I mean.  Really?
His job is a tv pundit?

All Daily Show interviews are real this way. I remember reading a piece about how they operate - basically, the Daily Show will never splice up a question and answer because its too easy to sue them. When they interview people, they ALWAYS have to say the question and capture the answer in the same take, and then play them together on the air, otherwise they'll be sued for defamation (or whatever). Apparently it can lead to annoying interviews when Samantha Bee or whoever has to repeat a question 10 times, because they refuse to let guests answer a question unless it has been asked immediately prior to the answer.


I guess I give people too much credit.  I mean, there must be something up... no one that stupid would subject themselves to this.
Or... not
 
2014-03-07 03:23:55 PM

Baz744: Opinion question for anyone interested in answering:

You won't generally see hardline conservatives admitting that the laissez-faire nation they envision will be very very bad for some people. That many people will be reduced to homelessness and hunger; that many kids will go without education; that many people will lose access even to rudimentary health care, etc.

Normally they paper all that over with bs like "if we just pass large enough tax cuts for the rich, poor people will be able to afford to send their own kids to private school!" They often claim that private charity will pick up all the slack in other deficient areas.

So what percentage of conservatives do you think actually believe their own bullsh*t? Surely some percentage of them have been hooked by the rhetoric. But some other percentage well know the predictable consequences of of shutting down public assistance programs. They just parrot the bullsh*t because they know voters don't want the society they envision.

And who are they, demographically? Is there any way to identify them? What else do we know about them? Etc.

I normally assume it is most of them. I doubt the sincerity of any rightist who claims shutting down public assistance programs will be really good for the poor, or at least won't really hurt them. It's just too implausible a belief to think millions and millions of conservatives actually believe.


"A rising tide lifts all boats!"

That's the line you'll usually get.  As if some shake-n-bake maxim is the same as reality.

As for the rest, the GOP platform is increasingly stating in bald terms that public assistance and things like free lunches at school are the opposite of a good thing and the soulful thing would be to pull the plug on everything.
 
2014-03-07 03:25:55 PM

fruitloop: Aasif's interviews are really damn good, it's sad that he will likely be the next to leave TDS.


He's good, so it would make the most sense. I skip mid-show most of the time but I'll often watch his bits.
There's just something about the interview thing TDS does that only works with a select few.
 
2014-03-07 03:28:03 PM

duke3522: I crushed a disc in my back playing football when I was 16. I have lived almost my entire life without health insurance. I always worked for myself because suddenly not being able to walk for a week at a time limits employment options. I am now 52, and a couple of years ago my back got so bad I simply couldn't work anymore.

I was homeless for a time. Living out of my truck, and camping in national forests. To my good fortune my SSI claim went through in record time, 62 days from application to acceptance. Practically the speed of light when it comes to disability applications.

I now live a very humble life, living large on the $710 I get in SSI, and the $75 a month I get in SNAP. And I will tell you, I am so grateful for the assistance that allows me at least a little dignity in life.

However,to those of you who simply think I'm some sort of taker who is scamming the system. Fark you with a rusty baseball bat!!!

Not only will I continue to live my life just to piss people like this off, but I have gained the ultimate in what these people hate. I'm poor, and I have not only found a way to have a roof over my head and enough to eat, but I have also found something I thought I would never fund in this life. Contentment.


You want to really piss them off?  Carry a cell phone around with you every where you go.  It doesn't even have to work.
 
2014-03-07 03:29:13 PM
And these are the sort of people who the experts say are going to keep the House, and have a good chance of taking the Senate?

We're farked aren't we?
 
2014-03-07 03:29:56 PM
Baz744:
And who are they, demographically? Is there any way to identify them? What else do we know about them? Etc.

Pretty easy to answer, really.
The rich guys KNOW it's bullshiat because their actions are specifically aimed at the money and influence remaining (and even flowing) to the top. Why would they get into politics or hire lobbyists to empower their "enemy"?
The poor people believe it because they wouldn't vote that way if they didn't.
 
2014-03-07 03:31:15 PM

Paul Baumer: What's horrifying to me is not that there are people this amoral in the world, but APPARENTLY THE POPULATION OF TENNESSEE IS OK WITH THE STATUS QUO, SINCE THEY KEEP RE-ELECTING THESE GUYS.

Christ on a cracker, it's almost hard to feel sorry for people this goddamned dumb.


I bet some of the people attending that health care event voted for those guys.
 
2014-03-07 03:34:13 PM

Paul Baumer: What's horrifying to me is not that there are people this amoral in the world, but APPARENTLY THE POPULATION OF TENNESSEE IS OK WITH THE STATUS QUO, SINCE THEY KEEP RE-ELECTING THESE GUYS.

Christ on a cracker, it's almost hard to feel sorry for people this goddamned dumb.


Check out Tennessee on this map
 
2014-03-07 03:34:26 PM
i47.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-07 03:37:34 PM

incendi: Baz744: That gives him a lot of credibility. If he doesn't get 2016 as close as the last two, he could lose some of that.

On the other hand, his methods seem reliable so far.

The funny thing is that he doesn't even pretend to have some sort of secret sauce. He just harmonizes the basic statisticals and doesn't try to lie to himself and/or everybody else about what the numbers are actually saying.


Based on some of the more crazy talk after 2012, it sounds like some on the right think that the elections were cleverly manipulated to meet the polling.  When you're that far out of orbit, it's tough to recover.
 
2014-03-07 03:39:40 PM

Old enough to know better: And these are the sort of people who the experts say are going to keep the House, and have a good chance of taking the Senate?

We're farked aren't we?


Just like in the last Presidential election, which really wasn't at all close, the press needs to spin a narrative to keep people interested or, at the very least, tuned in.

I'd keep an eye on this site:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Or Nate Silver's blog if he relaunches.

Keep in mind it's very early and there isn't any real polling data out there in Senate races yet.

People are pointing at Obama's 46 - 48% approval rating and saying that the Dems are doomed because of it, but they've been ignoring the fact that the GOP's numbers are far worse than that. They have a tremendous branding problem in all but the deepest red states and districts at the moment.
 
2014-03-07 03:41:25 PM

Mad_Radhu: Gaseous Anomaly: Baz744: Opinion question for anyone interested in answering:

You won't generally see hardline conservatives admitting that the laissez-faire nation they envision will be very very bad for some people. That many people will be reduced to homelessness and hunger; that many kids will go without education; that many people will lose access even to rudimentary health care, etc.

Normally they paper all that over with bs like "if we just pass large enough tax cuts for the rich, poor people will be able to afford to send their own kids to private school!" They often claim that private charity will pick up all the slack in other deficient areas.

So what percentage of conservatives do you think actually believe their own bullsh*t? Surely some percentage of them have been hooked by the rhetoric. But some other percentage well know the predictable consequences of of shutting down public assistance programs. They just parrot the bullsh*t because they know voters don't want the society they envision.

And who are they, demographically? Is there any way to identify them? What else do we know about them? Etc.

I normally assume it is most of them. I doubt the sincerity of any rightist who claims shutting down public assistance programs will be really good for the poor, or at least won't really hurt them. It's just too implausible a belief to think millions and millions of conservatives actually believe.

I think a large fraction of them do really believe the BS. Remember when Karl friggin' Rove, the poster child for cynical manipulation, broke down on election night because Ohio didn't follow the "unskewed polls" model? Supposedly even Mitt Romney himself was surprised that the election wasn't close.

Once you get into a reality bubble, because beliefs needn't have any tether to reality, they can get pretty strange pretty quick.

Tomorrow's politicians come from today's base, and I think the right-wing reality bubble has been around long enough that new GOP politicians believe in it. Look at Republican State legislatures actually trying to ban abortion, instead of keeping it around as a wedge issue. If they succeed, they just defanged a big motivator for their people to keep turning out at election time, so they probably just actually want to ban abortion.

What is amazing about the election night breakdown was that I was playing along at home, watching the states fall into place one by one, exactly as Nate Silver predicted. It's not like accurate projections weren't available if you looked in the right places.


Yes, but if you recall, Nate Silver was thin and gay and lacked a booming voice.
 
2014-03-07 03:41:49 PM

Baz744: There actually is an incentive for him not to, though. He's successfully predicted the electoral vote outcome of two elections now, one perfectly, and the other almost perfectly (Indiana unexpectedly went for Obama in 2008). That gives him a lot of credibility. If he doesn't get 2016 as close as the last two, he could lose some of that.

On the other hand, his methods seem reliable so far.


I suspect he likes doing it too much to just stop for the sake of a perfect record.

His predictions aren't just simple "Obama wins" anyway, it's "Obama has a 53% chance of winning". Even if Romney had won he'd just say "Yeah, well our model predicted a Romney win 47%, so there's that." Which wouldn't have been as bad-ass, but is still statistically sound.
 
2014-03-07 03:42:18 PM
This is what you support when you vote for Republicans.


Not even once, folks.... Not even once.
 
2014-03-07 03:42:27 PM

duke3522: I crushed a disc in my back playing football when I was 16. I have lived almost my entire life without health insurance. I always worked for myself because suddenly not being able to walk for a week at a time limits employment options. I am now 52, and a couple of years ago my back got so bad I simply couldn't work anymore.

I was homeless for a time. Living out of my truck, and camping in national forests. To my good fortune my SSI claim went through in record time, 62 days from application to acceptance. Practically the speed of light when it comes to disability applications.

I now live a very humble life, living large on the $710 I get in SSI, and the $75 a month I get in SNAP. And I will tell you, I am so grateful for the assistance that allows me at least a little dignity in life.

However,to those of you who simply think I'm some sort of taker who is scamming the system. Fark you with a rusty baseball bat!!!

Not only will I continue to live my life just to piss people like this off, but I have gained the ultimate in what these people hate. I'm poor, and I have not only found a way to have a roof over my head and enough to eat, but I have also found something I thought I would never fund in this life. Contentment.


LUCKY DUCKY!
 
2014-03-07 03:44:28 PM

OtherLittleGuy: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: EyeballKid: And, I think the geographic region known as "the South" should always be referred to as "the third world." At least, until there are some signs of progress.


/resides in partially-third-world Kentucky

Most of Jefferson County is at least second world.

Communist?

/makes sense, in a way


I meant metaphorically, but that's probably about what a big part of the state thinks about us.
 
2014-03-07 03:52:24 PM
Holy sh*t that was awesome.  Absolutely epic brainsplosion.
The ridiculous part is that this guy probably still believes the bullsh*t that tumbles out of his own pie hole despite having his mind blown.
 
2014-03-07 03:52:43 PM

factoryconnection: DamnYankees: This guys solution to people who can't afford health care was "if you're poor, stop being poor". He wasnt' joking, that was his actual recommendation.

So, you decide what he is.

To be clear: he literally said what DY quoted, not a paraphrase, not an implied statement, but a quote.  O.O


Our governor said in public the reason he was turning down the medicaid expansion was 'let's be clear who we are talking about here, it's able bodied adults'.  He's now actually trying to backtrack a little and may even consider expanding it.
 
2014-03-07 03:55:39 PM
Holy shiat, did that guy just suffer an aneurism on camera?
 
2014-03-07 03:55:52 PM
You know how the rabid right wing insane folks often say we're going to round them up and put them in FEMA camps to starve?

Can we?
 
2014-03-07 03:58:21 PM

omgbears: Baz744: There actually is an incentive for him not to, though. He's successfully predicted the electoral vote outcome of two elections now, one perfectly, and the other almost perfectly (Indiana unexpectedly went for Obama in 2008). That gives him a lot of credibility. If he doesn't get 2016 as close as the last two, he could lose some of that.

On the other hand, his methods seem reliable so far.

I suspect he likes doing it too much to just stop for the sake of a perfect record.

His predictions aren't just simple "Obama wins" anyway, it's "Obama has a 53% chance of winning". Even if Romney had won he'd just say "Yeah, well our model predicted a Romney win 47%, so there's that." Which wouldn't have been as bad-ass, but is still statistically sound.


Silver gives a +-margin of error range for voting results. Forty-eight out of 50 states actually fell within his margin of error, giving him a success rate of 96 percent. His margin of error is 95% confidence, and 96% is the closest one could expect.

Interestingly, one author thought his margin of error was an absolute value, and made a computation assuming it was half the size it was. From this analysis he concluded: "The actual election results in 16 states fell outside the margin of error Silver allotted himself in his projections, reducing his total to 34-for-50, or 68 percent.."

Now when one plugs in the confidence interval that would give one half of Nate's margin of error, it is around 67%.

So not only did he get the states right, he got as many states wrong as he statistically should have got wrong, even when using multiple values for a confidence interval.
 
2014-03-07 04:13:06 PM
You have to laugh in order to keep from crying.  Yet check and see who those good citizens of Knoxville voted into office and ask then what they think of Obamacare and they'll agree with the Republicans.
 
2014-03-07 04:17:14 PM
Did this moron go on to thank the thousands of turkeys who voted for Christmas in order to elect him, very much to their own detriment?
 
2014-03-07 04:18:54 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Yayyy my first politics green light! But sad that this is the highlight of my day.

So I guess the Republican argument is that yes we have the best healthcare in the world but only if you can afford it, but if you can't there is a nice pine box with your name on it. Oh and dont be poor, Slacker. There are people working 40 plus hours a week that cant afford healthcare. They are hardly slackers but the GOP considers them moochers. Free Market must be code for i'm an uncaring A-hole now.

Im also shocked that a 3rd world medical unit has to be called on here in america is not considered news and that I had to learn it on the Daily Show. Way to go Tennessee for sticking it to Obama at the expense of your people


THIS! What the fark? I know what every goddamn Kardashian is up to whether I want to or not - you can't get away from that kind of crap. But no one bothers to cover what's actually going on with real people in our country? (Yes, that's right, Kardashians are not real people. I don't even want to know what they are.)

/Oh, and congrats on the greenlight
 
2014-03-07 04:21:15 PM

Blues_X: [photos.imageevent.com image 400x380]


good thing they don't charge to replace keyboard at work.....
 
2014-03-07 04:21:29 PM
I wonder what he was thinking during the interview.  "Good job, great point, oh crap, better double down on it so I don't look like a flip-flopper, good now we're past it, damn that went well."
 
2014-03-07 04:22:51 PM

someonelse: This was one of those TDS that I couldn't even laugh at. It just made me sad. Conservatives always think they have a logical, intelligent position on alleviating poverty. But when they actually have to articulate it, it comes out stupid and evil and awful. Because it is.

I need that website that is all pictures of cute animals.


I got your back, buddy.
 
2014-03-07 04:23:14 PM
It did seem like an Onion piece or something.  How could he NOT anticipate that basic switcheroo from the Daily Show?  Was he even listening to the setup?  Beautiful and sick to behold.  Anybody time it?  Seemed like a good 3 or 4 seconds of brain freeze.

If the Comedy Central web player hates you as it hates me, you might find that this version actually plays --
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/aasif-mandvi-third-world-he al thcare_n_4919304.html

(Hulu, ad preroll)

/guys with that kind of "hair" should not be around helicopters
 
2014-03-07 04:29:30 PM

cretinbob: [2013hoaxblog.s3.amazonaws.com image 423x566]


Holy fark that is hilarious!
 
2014-03-07 04:29:50 PM

Baz744: There actually is an incentive for him not to, though. He's successfully predicted the electoral vote outcome of two elections now, one perfectly, and the other almost perfectly (Indiana unexpectedly went for Obama in 2008). That gives him a lot of credibility. If he doesn't get 2016 as close as the last two, he could lose some of that.

On the other hand, his methods seem reliable so far.


I could see him walking away from election politics because it got boring and he found something else he's more interested in.  (I'd bet he's discreetly entering the Billion-Dollar Bracket Challenge, for example.)  But not walking away because he's afraid of failure.  If anything, failure would probably be interesting to him, as it is to any dedicated tinkerer.

In some ways, he would have had a bigger profile if his model did 49 states perfectly, and then there was one state that completely baffled it.  Like if Romney won Wisconsin by 8 points.  (Hell, my first guess would be statewide voter fraud, because I have more confidence in the 538 model than I do in our voting machines and oversight.)  I'd bet Silver would have spent months going back over Wisconsin-specific data to find the genesis of the mistake.
 
2014-03-07 04:32:06 PM

Urbn: ItchyMcDoogle: Yayyy my first politics green light! But sad that this is the highlight of my day.

So I guess the Republican argument is that yes we have the best healthcare in the world but only if you can afford it, but if you can't there is a nice pine box with your name on it. Oh and dont be poor, Slacker. There are people working 40 plus hours a week that cant afford healthcare. They are hardly slackers but the GOP considers them moochers. Free Market must be code for i'm an uncaring A-hole now.

Im also shocked that a 3rd world medical unit has to be called on here in america is not considered news and that I had to learn it on the Daily Show. Way to go Tennessee for sticking it to Obama at the expense of your people

THIS! What the fark? I know what every goddamn Kardashian is up to whether I want to or not - you can't get away from that kind of crap. But no one bothers to cover what's actually going on with real people in our country? (Yes, that's right, Kardashians are not real people. I don't even want to know what they are.)

/Oh, and congrats on the greenlight


I've heard NPR mention things like this on their news segments.  They don't describe it as "A 3rd World Medical Unit" having to come to the U.S.  But when it happens, they'll talk about a charity (sorry, I don't remember which charity it was the last time I heard this type of story) setting up a week of free health care for the poor in such and such area.   There is always a HUGE turn out for services.  The reporters interview people with stories like not seeing a dentist for a decade, or getting a first pair of glasses even though they've been practically blind for years.
 
2014-03-07 04:35:20 PM

brigid_fitch: And then he tried to defend it by saying they should get a GED


Maybe it was the accent, but I thought he said GUD, as in he didn't even know what it is actually called, which is even sadder.
 
2014-03-07 04:35:46 PM
That left me speechless. And the sad part is you don't see the man stop and say "What?!" or "I need to see this for myself." He doubles down.
 
2014-03-07 04:37:48 PM
When the dude repeated "Stop being poor" you could hear his voice weaken like he was about to start crying.  He probably realized at that moment that his entire career was done.  He knows that in a few weeks, he will have nothing and he'll be in line with everyone who's waiting for care.
 
2014-03-07 04:45:15 PM
To be fair, Knoxville hasn't been the same since Fulmer left.
 
2014-03-07 04:51:39 PM

rzrwiresunrise: "What?!"


Well, I certainly said that a few times while watching this.
Mister FOX business talking head guy must have the IQ of a diseased cantaloupe.
 
2014-03-07 04:52:51 PM

Pocket Ninja: I've been trying to understand since last night why that guy would have willingly come onto the Daily Show when this was the only possible way his interview could have ended. What the fark did he think was going to happen?


Hey, Doris.  Guess who's going to be on teevee???!!!
 
2014-03-07 04:57:45 PM

gas giant: Mister FOX business talking head guy must have the IQ of a diseased cantaloupe.


Comparing him to typical business reporters, that makes him a god among men.
 
2014-03-07 04:59:55 PM

MayoSlather: I can't believe the Republican talking point that America has the best healthcare is completely false. Who would think a system that's been price gouging its poorest citizens to stay alive wouldn't be considered the best system?


And I always thought that the extremely wealthy went to Switzerland, Singapore or the like when they get sick because USA is so full of win!?
 
2014-03-07 05:02:15 PM

impaler: Comparing him to typical business reporters, that makes him a god among men.


Get your Harvard MBA today! Free helmet and drool cup included for a limited time only!
 
2014-03-07 05:02:33 PM

Pocket Ninja: I've been trying to understand since last night why that guy would have willingly come onto the Daily Show when this was the only possible way his interview could have ended. What the fark did he think was going to happen?


I wonder that after watching every single TDS interview. It's not like these people don't know what they're getting into anymore, right?
 
2014-03-07 05:03:52 PM

Paul Baumer: What's horrifying to me is not that there are people this amoral in the world, but APPARENTLY THE POPULATION OF TENNESSEE IS OK WITH THE STATUS QUO, SINCE THEY KEEP RE-ELECTING THESE GUYS.

Christ on a cracker, it's almost hard to feel sorry for people this goddamned dumb.


The people who want to reform the healthcare system, are also the same people who wants to take away their guns, allow gays to marry, are for abortions etc.

So, they're essentially taking one for Umerica fark Yeah!
 
2014-03-07 05:04:04 PM

Far Cough: It did seem like an Onion piece or something.  How could he NOT anticipate that basic switcheroo from the Daily Show?  Was he even listening to the setup?  Beautiful and sick to behold.  Anybody time it?  Seemed like a good 3 or 4 seconds of brain freeze.



The best part about that set up was the "still recovering from Civil War," line.  Coming at me cold, I admit I would have needed a moment to process as well.
 
2014-03-07 05:06:36 PM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: EyeballKid: And, I think the geographic region known as "the South" should always be referred to as "the third world." At least, until there are some signs of progress.


/resides in partially-third-world Kentucky

Most of Jefferson County is at least second world.


They're allied with the Warsaw pact? That's farked up, in particular since it was dissolved in 1990.

But they are a bit slow of course.
 
2014-03-07 05:08:04 PM
"Propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state."
 i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2014-03-07 05:10:26 PM
Knoxville is the city that voted Senator Stacey Campfield in as their state senator, who is mostly concerned with making sure kids and teachers in school don't say the word "gay" in a rather poor attempt to conceal his secret gay identity. So this should be of no surprise to anyone.
 
2014-03-07 05:25:33 PM
I don't have the Fu to Do, but that epic brain lock snippet needs to be an anigif.  You can actually watch his brain run a recalibration cycle.

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-07 05:26:36 PM

duke3522: I crushed a disc in my back playing football when I was 16. I have lived almost my entire life without health insurance. I always worked for myself because suddenly not being able to walk for a week at a time limits employment options. I am now 52, and a couple of years ago my back got so bad I simply couldn't work anymore.

I was homeless for a time. Living out of my truck, and camping in national forests. To my good fortune my SSI claim went through in record time, 62 days from application to acceptance. Practically the speed of light when it comes to disability applications.

I now live a very humble life, living large on the $710 I get in SSI, and the $75 a month I get in SNAP. And I will tell you, I am so grateful for the assistance that allows me at least a little dignity in life.

However,to those of you who simply think I'm some sort of taker who is scamming the system. Fark you with a rusty baseball bat!!!

Not only will I continue to live my life just to piss people like this off, but I have gained the ultimate in what these people hate. I'm poor, and I have not only found a way to have a roof over my head and enough to eat, but I have also found something I thought I would never fund in this life. Contentment.


I know where you might be able to save $5 a month
 
2014-03-07 05:27:17 PM

fruitloop: Aasif's interviews are really damn good, it's sad that he will likely be the next to leave TDS.


Agreed. He's been one of my favorites.
 
2014-03-07 05:36:17 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Pocket Ninja: I've been trying to understand since last night why that guy would have willingly come onto the Daily Show when this was the only possible way his interview could have ended. What the fark did he think was going to happen?

I wonder that after watching every single TDS interview. It's not like these people don't know what they're getting into anymore, right?


IIRC, someone mentioned in a thread before that when they call, they try their best not to refer to who they are, just 'a cable news show' affiliated with Viacom. No lies, but a bit of obfuscation.

Some of the people are so far entrenched in the bubble, they honestly have no idea what TDS does. And it is the Conservative media bubble's fault. They can't complain, because then people could go and watch the whole segment and see that the horrible gotchya questions were presented correctly and the fumbling answer the Lame Stream Media ran with is completely in context.
It would poke holes in their bubble, reveal Republicans as horrible people and the Conservative Media as liars.
So their only choice is silence, and the warm feeling that the corporate media won't pick up on any of it.
 
2014-03-07 05:36:25 PM

Bawdy George: duke3522: I crushed a disc in my back playing football when I was 16. I have lived almost my entire life without health insurance. I always worked for myself because suddenly not being able to walk for a week at a time limits employment options. I am now 52, and a couple of years ago my back got so bad I simply couldn't work anymore.

I was homeless for a time. Living out of my truck, and camping in national forests. To my good fortune my SSI claim went through in record time, 62 days from application to acceptance. Practically the speed of light when it comes to disability applications.

I now live a very humble life, living large on the $710 I get in SSI, and the $75 a month I get in SNAP. And I will tell you, I am so grateful for the assistance that allows me at least a little dignity in life.

However,to those of you who simply think I'm some sort of taker who is scamming the system. Fark you with a rusty baseball bat!!!

Not only will I continue to live my life just to piss people like this off, but I have gained the ultimate in what these people hate. I'm poor, and I have not only found a way to have a roof over my head and enough to eat, but I have also found something I thought I would never fund in this life. Contentment.

I know where you might be able to save $5 a month


It was a gift.

/sorry Drew
//need the beer money
///thanks again panicman
 
2014-03-07 05:37:34 PM
Holy shiat that guy Asaif was talking to was literally a walking talking caricature of a list of republican talking points.
 
2014-03-07 05:38:11 PM
Considering TDS was at (what looked like) one of those Mission of Mercy dental clinics, no amount of Obamacare is going to help. Dental care is rarely considered important (especially in the south)
 
2014-03-07 05:50:45 PM

unyon: I don't have the Fu to Do, but that epic brain lock snippet needs to be an anigif.  You can actually watch his brain run a recalibration cycle.

[img.fark.net image 850x429]


I literally did an involuntary double facepalm.  You'd think that after all the interviews I've seen on TDS and Colbert that I'd be ready for anything, but this just made my hands hit my face with an audible slap.
 
2014-03-07 05:53:58 PM

vrax: unyon: I don't have the Fu to Do, but that epic brain lock snippet needs to be an anigif.  You can actually watch his brain run a recalibration cycle.

[img.fark.net image 850x429]

I literally did an involuntary double facepalm.  You'd think that after all the interviews I've seen on TDS and Colbert that I'd be ready for anything, but this just made my hands hit my face with an audible slap.


I would welcome the news that TDS got pranked/trolled this time. It really seemed that way.  The guy was noticeably off track early and often.
 
2014-03-07 06:06:37 PM

DubyaHater: Considering TDS was at (what looked like) one of those Mission of Mercy dental clinics, no amount of Obamacare is going to help. Dental care is rarely considered important (especially in the south)


I think they cover more than just dental. http://www.ramusa.org/ I doubt they perform open heart surgery though. It's basically a free basic community healthcare clinic on wheels.  Probably x-rays, antibotics and pain meds for the most part.
 
2014-03-07 06:21:00 PM

LograyX: When the dude repeated "Stop being poor" you could hear his voice weaken like he was about to start crying.  He probably realized at that moment that his entire career was done.  He knows that in a few weeks, he will have nothing and he'll be in line with everyone who's waiting for care.


I'd like to visit your dimension one day. It sounds pretty cool.
What other ways does it differ from mine?
 
2014-03-07 06:41:14 PM

Baz744: Opinion question for anyone interested in answering:

You won't generally see hardline conservatives admitting that the laissez-faire nation they envision will be very very bad for some people. That many people will be reduced to homelessness and hunger; that many kids will go without education; that many people will lose access even to rudimentary health care, etc.

Normally they paper all that over with bs like "if we just pass large enough tax cuts for the rich, poor people will be able to afford to send their own kids to private school!" They often claim that private charity will pick up all the slack in other deficient areas.

So what percentage of conservatives do you think actually believe their own bullsh*t? Surely some percentage of them have been hooked by the rhetoric. But some other percentage well know the predictable consequences of of shutting down public assistance programs. They just parrot the bullsh*t because they know voters don't want the society they envision.

And who are they, demographically? Is there any way to identify them? What else do we know about them? Etc.

I normally assume it is most of them. I doubt the sincerity of any rightist who claims shutting down public assistance programs will be really good for the poor, or at least won't really hurt them. It's just too implausible a belief to think millions and millions of conservatives actually believe.


Examine the difference between how authoritarian leaders behave and authoritarian followers behave, this will illuminate some of the relationship that would otherwise appear implausible.

Here is a good start, if you don't mind canadians. http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
 
2014-03-07 06:52:04 PM

God-is-a-Taco: LograyX: When the dude repeated "Stop being poor" you could hear his voice weaken like he was about to start crying.  He probably realized at that moment that his entire career was done.  He knows that in a few weeks, he will have nothing and he'll be in line with everyone who's waiting for care.

I'd like to visit your dimension one day. It sounds pretty cool.
What other ways does it differ from mine?


It's nice. Pretty colors.

I don't say he's going to lose his job because of what he said, but that he said it openly.

Like the last guy Aasif got to admit really awful opinions on national television.
 
2014-03-07 07:00:24 PM
Here's the link for anyone in Canada who cares to watch:

http://www.ctv.ca/video/player?vid=300783

Skip ahead to the 9 min mark.
 
2014-03-07 07:10:57 PM

jlawn001: I'm a regular watcher of TDS.
Last night was one of those moments when I'm thinking that... this can't be true.  There has to be some overdubbing or a stunt double of Mandvi when they show the back of his head, and the reaction shot is Mandvi actually asking a question like: "Tell me the best qualities of Hitler..." and then the just splice in the stupified response.
But then when that dolt actually said, "Stop being poor."


It's actually worse than that. There was an article awhile ago about the mechanics of a Daily Show interview, about what goes into them and how they edit them. The interview takes all day to set up and about two hours to actually film. They actually do about three takes to every question, so that Aasif or Samantha or whoever can get the phrasing and reaction shots right. So the interviewee actually has loads of time to prepare his answers and he even gets second chances at answering them. So they have NO EXCUSES when they're caught like a deer in headlights like that. They know what's coming and they still flub their answers.

The Daily Show really doesn't try very hard to make them seem like buffoons. There are some cut jobs, but generally what you see is what you get. Those are their legitimate responses to questions.
 
2014-03-07 07:16:18 PM

HMS_Blinkin: It's not like these people don't know what they're getting into anymore, right?


These are not the people who watch the Daily Show.
 
2014-03-07 07:16:46 PM

Ishkur: jlawn001: I'm a regular watcher of TDS.
Last night was one of those moments when I'm thinking that... this can't be true.  There has to be some overdubbing or a stunt double of Mandvi when they show the back of his head, and the reaction shot is Mandvi actually asking a question like: "Tell me the best qualities of Hitler..." and then the just splice in the stupified response.
But then when that dolt actually said, "Stop being poor."

It's actually worse than that. There was an article awhile ago about the mechanics of a Daily Show interview, about what goes into them and how they edit them. The interview takes all day to set up and about two hours to actually film. They actually do about three takes to every question, so that Aasif or Samantha or whoever can get the phrasing and reaction shots right. So the interviewee actually has loads of time to prepare his answers and he even gets second chances at answering them. So they have NO EXCUSES when they're caught like a deer in headlights like that. They know what's coming and they still flub their answers.

The Daily Show really doesn't try very hard to make them seem like buffoons. There are some cut jobs, but generally what you see is what you get. Those are their legitimate responses to questions.



Then, frankly, they shouldn't always cut back and forth between the background reporting and the interview.  I realize it's probably because they're spoon-feeding the contrasts/contradictions to the viewer, but the cutting in and out leads to obvious questions.  They post the long form interviews online for interesting desk guests that run over; maybe they should offer the same for the news bit guests.
 
2014-03-07 07:22:40 PM

LograyX: When the dude repeated "Stop being poor" you could hear his voice weaken like he was about to start crying.  He probably realized at that moment that his entire career was done.  He knows that in a few weeks, he will have nothing and he'll be in line with everyone who's waiting for care.


Nah. He works for Fox News. He'll probably get a promotion.
 
2014-03-07 07:45:41 PM

Far Cough: Then, frankly, they shouldn't always cut back and forth between the background reporting and the interview. I realize it's probably because they're spoon-feeding the contrasts/contradictions to the viewer, but the cutting in and out leads to obvious questions. They post the long form interviews online for interesting desk guests that run over; maybe they should offer the same for the news bit guests.


I would love it if they do that. Of course the reason why they edit so brazenly is for time. When you're crunching 2 hours of footage into a four minute segment, a lot is going to be left out, including extraneous pauses and tangents.

I stopped watching reality TV for the same reason. When you realize that they are editing hundreds of hours of footage into 42 minute shows, then you realize how manipulative the editing really is. Especially when they add music.
 
2014-03-07 08:03:06 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Im also shocked that a 3rd world medical unit has to be called on here in america is not considered news and that I had to learn it on the Daily Show.


60 Minutes did a story on this in 2008.  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-health-care-gets-boost-from-charity/

It made me so pissed off that I basically became a single-payer advocate right after watching it.

/CSB
 
2014-03-07 08:26:13 PM

Dr.Zom: Watching that guy's brain break was a joy to behold.


It was shocking. I've never actually seen someone self-eviscerate before.
 
2014-03-07 08:37:29 PM
que?
 
2014-03-07 08:53:34 PM

Ishkur: Far Cough: Then, frankly, they shouldn't always cut back and forth between the background reporting and the interview. I realize it's probably because they're spoon-feeding the contrasts/contradictions to the viewer, but the cutting in and out leads to obvious questions. They post the long form interviews online for interesting desk guests that run over; maybe they should offer the same for the news bit guests.

I would love it if they do that. Of course the reason why they edit so brazenly is for time. When you're crunching 2 hours of footage into a four minute segment, a lot is going to be left out, including extraneous pauses and tangents.

I stopped watching reality TV for the same reason. When you realize that they are editing hundreds of hours of footage into 42 minute shows, then you realize how manipulative the editing really is. Especially when they add music.


It's not hundreds, it's maybe like eighty if they are filming from sun up to sun down for a whole week. And even that is tiring as all hell on the actors, director and crew. Much rejoicing is had at sundown on friday.
 
2014-03-07 09:13:40 PM

runwiz: You have to laugh in order to keep from crying.  Yet check and see who those good citizens of Knoxville voted into office and ask then what they think of Obamacare and they'll agree with the Republicans.


On my last visit to Tennessee, I made a wrong turn in downtown Knoxville and ended up in the very heart of downtown, near the site of the World's Fair tower.  The homeless crowds milling around the sidewalks looked like The Walking Dead; I haven't seen that level of despair since Baltimore.  It's a beautiful state full of pockets of horribly poor people, and their elected representatives are some of the abject worst in Congress (Scott DesJarlais, I'm looking in your direction).
 
2014-03-07 09:35:42 PM

duke3522: Bawdy George: duke3522:

I know where you might be able to save $5 a month

It was a gift.


Yeah, I saw that after I posted. My apologies for the snark... been exposed to too many 'baggers today.
 
2014-03-07 09:39:02 PM
Tennesee??
 
2014-03-07 09:42:30 PM

Bawdy George: duke3522: Bawdy George: duke3522:

I know where you might be able to save $5 a month

It was a gift.

Yeah, I saw that after I posted. My apologies for the snark... been exposed to too many 'baggers today.


Np :)
 
2014-03-07 10:02:37 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: It's not hundreds, it's maybe like eighty if they are filming from sun up to sun down for a whole week.


They have more than one cameraman, you know. The Amazing Race has one for each group of contestants. Survivor has AT LEAST three for each tribe. So do the math.
 
2014-03-07 10:37:48 PM
LograyX:
It's nice. Pretty colors.
I don't say he's going to lose his job because of what he said, but that he said it openly.
Like the last guy Aasif got to admit really awful opinions on national television.


I guess I'm just more cynical. I honestly don't see any change in his life or career from this. He works at a place that controls all of the information that his "customers" receive. If they don't remark about it, it never happened.
 
2014-03-07 10:51:54 PM

jlawn001: I guess I give people too much credit.  I mean, there must be something up... no one that stupid would subject themselves to this.
Or... not


I can venture a guess. This guy, like so many guests before, believed that he was finally going to be the one to stick it to those bleeding-heart libtards. Also like so many guests before, he's in such an excited hurry to regurgitate talking points and slogans that he forgets to censor himself and blows his impotent load all over the interview.

I get the same satisfaction hearing Libertarians call in to The Majority Report. "Hi I'm XXX from YYY and I'm a Libertarian. All those guys who called before weren't REAL Libertarians." Hilarity ensues.
 
2014-03-07 11:18:21 PM
My husband's family all live in Knoxville and the surrounding areas, and several even work in the medical field there.

Every single thing he said was true.

I hate it, and I hate it for my home state that they are being such a$$holes and need to screw over the overly large population of poor people in the state from getting basic medical healthcare.  It's one of the many reasons we moved away (no income tax but an incredibly high sales tax and barely any property tax which keeps the school districts incredibly poor;  not to mention the lack of well paying jobs for professionals), but it doesn't mean that I can't stand to see idiotic lawmakers take advantage of a poor and ignorant public because of the money they get from big business.  The worst part is that it's a cycle that people get trapped in...you're told that only the lowest of the low would take government assistance from the time you are born, so people struggle with poverty because their pride keeps them from accepting help until they have no choice.  I have relatives that are struggling with medical bills, yet won't go on the ACA website where they could get a better healthcare plan for almost nothing, and they won't do it because of all of the lies they have been told.  It's the ultimate example of the rich and powerful using the poor in an abominable way.  I hate it.  It's too easy to say that the people deserve it because they voted these idiots in, but no one deserves to struggle to live simply because rich politicians play with their lives.

/end of rant
 
2014-03-07 11:46:07 PM

Huggermugger: runwiz: You have to laugh in order to keep from crying.  Yet check and see who those good citizens of Knoxville voted into office and ask then what they think of Obamacare and they'll agree with the Republicans.

On my last visit to Tennessee, I made a wrong turn in downtown Knoxville and ended up in the very heart of downtown, near the site of the World's Fair tower.  The homeless crowds milling around the sidewalks looked like The Walking Dead; I haven't seen that level of despair since Baltimore.  It's a beautiful state full of pockets of horribly poor people, and their elected representatives are some of the abject worst in Congress (Scott DesJarlais, I'm looking in your direction).


Last year visiting cousins in Gallatin, they showed off their new county emergency response center with all new state of the art equipment.

Paid for by federal DHS funds.

Bootstrappy my ass. That gear came out of FEDERAL tax money the county's so poor the inbreds at the 4th of July fair just made me sad to watch.

These Southern states need to left to their own finances. Cut them loose for a year or two and see how quickly they sink back into the marshes they really are.

Yet they still vote GOP. The party of Lincoln which kicked their asses 160 years ago.
 
2014-03-08 12:07:15 AM

Witty_Retort: Some of the people are so far entrenched in the bubble, they honestly have no idea what TDS does.


The day before this interview, Jim DeMint was on TDS for the main interview.  He was charming, likable, coherent... pretty much everything Jim DeMint normally isn't.  He was clearly in on the joke.  It got me wondering if maybe TDS was so well known now that it's lost its edge.  That the victims were now part of the set-up instead of the punchline.

And then this interview happened.
 
2014-03-08 12:18:06 AM

Mentat: Witty_Retort: Some of the people are so far entrenched in the bubble, they honestly have no idea what TDS does.

The day before this interview, Jim DeMint was on TDS for the main interview.  He was charming, likable, coherent... pretty much everything Jim DeMint normally isn't.  He was clearly in on the joke.  It got me wondering if maybe TDS was so well known now that it's lost its edge.  That the victims were now part of the set-up instead of the punchline.

And then this interview happened.


Some folks handle themselves well. Some do not. DeMint handled himself well. This right-wing jingoist bastard did not.
 
2014-03-08 02:30:34 AM

ItchyMcDoogle: fruitloop: Aasif's interviews are really damn good, it's sad that he will likely be the next to leave TDS.

Was thinking the same thing, he really does the best remotes and interviews. So did Carrel and Colbert as well. I was thinking he might be the next to leave but Bee And Jones have been there a long time too. TDS might be very screwed if those three leave soon


Bee and Jones have been there so long and are so good I have to imagine that they're there because they want to be. I'm sure if they were really trying for other gigs they'd get them.

They probably make decent enough money, and TDS probably gives them a ton of leeway for them to raise their family.
 
2014-03-08 03:30:24 AM

chimp_ninja: Like if Romney won Wisconsin by 8 points.  (Hell, my first guess would be statewide voter fraud, because I have more confidence in the 538 model than I do in our voting machines and oversight.)  I'd bet Silver would have spent months going back over Wisconsin-specific data to find the genesis of the mistake.


If I won the lottery I'd pay Silver to number-crunch the 2004 Bush v Kerry election cycle polls and state-by-state results.  About the only way I'll ever believe it was legit (i.e. no Diebold results manipulations) is if Silver or someone like him, that Princeton professor guy, says so.
 
2014-03-08 04:11:01 AM

hobberwickey: ItchyMcDoogle: fruitloop: Aasif's interviews are really damn good, it's sad that he will likely be the next to leave TDS.

Was thinking the same thing, he really does the best remotes and interviews. So did Carrel and Colbert as well. I was thinking he might be the next to leave but Bee And Jones have been there a long time too. TDS might be very screwed if those three leave soon

Bee and Jones have been there so long and are so good I have to imagine that they're there because they want to be. I'm sure if they were really trying for other gigs they'd get them.

They probably make decent enough money, and TDS probably gives them a ton of leeway for them to raise their family.


I hope so, I like both of them.  Plus Jessica Williams is a Hottie McHotterson :)
Seriously, though, TDS is too good at picking talent for their own good.
 
2014-03-08 06:37:04 AM

jake_lex: I don't think I've ever seen someone whose job it is to go on TV regularly rendered quite so speechless.

Plus, Tennessee was one of the states that declined the Medicare expansion to show Fartbama what for.


Medicaid, not Medicare.   And they likely didn't do it for political reasons, although they may have used political rhetoric as cover.

Many of the poorer states chose not to expand Medicaid, while many of the richer ones did.  Although it seems counter intuitive, there are hard financial reasons for this, which Maryland and South Carolina laid out expertly in Health Affairs.

What it comes down to is that rich states can afford strong social nets, and already had them in place.  So the Medicaid expansion to them consists of the feds covering a % of what they were already paying, for a small % of their population.

Poor states on the other hand don't have much of a budget, because they are a poor state.  In many cases expanding Medicaid to 130% of poverty level would require the state to cover most of their population.  No money + giant expansion = huge problem.

There are some good parts to the ACA.  But taking the worst funded and worst run part of healthcare and expanding it 30%?  That was a really dumb idea.  A better approach would have been to eliminate Medicaid, give the poor free healthcare via the exchanges, and then putting Medicare on the exchanges.
 
2014-03-08 09:15:03 AM
I thought the GOP was pissed about a black POTUS.

They're freaking out because a black POTUS is taking away their weapons.
Those weapons being the ability to kill off the poor, slowly, through shoddy, wealth-entitlement based health care.
 
2014-03-08 09:50:39 AM

SomeAmerican: jake_lex: I don't think I've ever seen someone whose job it is to go on TV regularly rendered quite so speechless.

Plus, Tennessee was one of the states that declined the Medicare expansion to show Fartbama what for.

Medicaid, not Medicare.   And they likely didn't do it for political reasons, although they may have used political rhetoric as cover.

Many of the poorer states chose not to expand Medicaid, while many of the richer ones did.  Although it seems counter intuitive, there are hard financial reasons for this, which Maryland and South Carolina laid out expertly in Health Affairs.

What it comes down to is that rich states can afford strong social nets, and already had them in place.  So the Medicaid expansion to them consists of the feds covering a % of what they were already paying, for a small % of their population.

Poor states on the other hand don't have much of a budget, because they are a poor state.  In many cases expanding Medicaid to 130% of poverty level would require the state to cover most of their population.  No money + giant expansion = huge problem.

There are some good parts to the ACA.  But taking the worst funded and worst run part of healthcare and expanding it 30%?  That was a really dumb idea.  A better approach would have been to eliminate Medicaid, give the poor free healthcare via the exchanges, and then putting Medicare on the exchanges.




A better solution would have been to combine all of the government healthcare programs and made it so every citizen is covered. A "single payer" system, if you will. Like the rest of the 1st world countries have already done. We already cover Medicare through a payroll tax, so that wouldn't change. The amount people pay in Medicare tax may go up, but the amount people pay in health insurance premiums would go down as insurance wouldn't have to cover all risks anymore. It would take a huge weight off the shoulders of companies as they wouldn't need to provide health insurance anymore and it would spur new business creation as people no longer feel chained to their employers to get health insurance.

But we can't do that here because socialism or something.

When we rank 37th in the world for healthcare (tied with Costa Rica) according to the WHO, but 1st in healthcare costs, the system is broken.
 
2014-03-08 12:17:41 PM
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2014-03-08 12:19:11 PM
Just watched it.

Good god- you can actually see the exact moment this douchebag's mind breaks. And like others have stated, the dude  actually doubles down on the stupidity.Un-farking-believable.
 
2014-03-08 12:20:23 PM
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2014-03-08 12:26:05 PM
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2014-03-08 12:28:01 PM
Both parties have told some stories and distorted the facts.  But after Cheney and Rumsfeld got away with murder, the GOP thinks they are immune to 100% rectal extractions, and they are now getting caught for it.
 
2014-03-08 12:47:45 PM
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2014-03-08 01:16:50 PM
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I'm not saying it was aliens...
 
2014-03-08 02:44:28 PM

ManateeGag: I can't believe he said "just stop being poor" - is it that easy?


Hey, if you're poor just ask your parents for a loan.
 
2014-03-08 03:20:23 PM
Healthcare spending in the US is 17.2% of GDP.

It is the largest drag on our economy.

The GOP wants a smaller Government and lower taxes..... because lowering taxes is sort of like giving everyone a raise, and that's good for the economy, right?

Shrinking Government to save people money has consequences....

Fixing our healthcare system would have the exact same effect as lowering taxes (it would put more money in people's wallets.)

AND we know that it is possible to make healthcare cheaper without major consequences (As every developed country in the world has already demonstrated.)

Why is this not the biggest issue to solve for the GOP?
 
2014-03-08 03:31:57 PM
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2014-03-08 03:38:31 PM

Sammichless: Healthcare spending in the US is 17.2% of GDP.

It is the largest drag on our economy.

The GOP wants a smaller Government and lower taxes..... because lowering taxes is sort of like giving everyone a raise, and that's good for the economy, right?

Shrinking Government to save people money has consequences....

Fixing our healthcare system would have the exact same effect as lowering taxes (it would put more money in people's wallets.)

AND we know that it is possible to make healthcare cheaper without major consequences (As every developed country in the world has already demonstrated.)

Why is this not the biggest issue to solve for the GOP?


Top recipients of political contributions from Insurance Companies and Top recipients of political contributions from Health companies
 
2014-03-08 03:47:49 PM

dustman81: Sammichless: Healthcare spending in the US is 17.2% of GDP.

It is the largest drag on our economy.

The GOP wants a smaller Government and lower taxes..... because lowering taxes is sort of like giving everyone a raise, and that's good for the economy, right?

Shrinking Government to save people money has consequences....

Fixing our healthcare system would have the exact same effect as lowering taxes (it would put more money in people's wallets.)

AND we know that it is possible to make healthcare cheaper without major consequences (As every developed country in the world has already demonstrated.)

Why is this not the biggest issue to solve for the GOP?

Top recipients of political contributions from Insurance Companies and Top recipients of political contributions from Health companies


Grrrr. This makes me mad.

Cutting out inefficiencies and drags in the economy and the Government really IS supposed to be their strong suit.

I am VERY fiscally Liberal, but, I have no problems with admitting that intelligent Conservatism is capable of being useful.

Fixing our healthcare system is supposed to be something that they are more passionate about than we are. Them being broken is not good for the nation.
 
2014-03-08 06:37:56 PM

EyeballKid: And, I think the geographic region known as "the South" should always be referred to as "the third world." At least, until there are some signs of progress.


/resides in partially-third-world Kentucky


Your profile says you live in Louisville. Louisville doesn't count.

/resides in the poorest part of the Appalachian poverty map
//Kentucky, near the West Virginia border
 
2014-03-08 06:41:25 PM
I find it very interesting that none of the usual right-wing shills appeared in this thread. I guess some things are even indefensible for them.
 
2014-03-08 06:49:29 PM

SomeAmerican: jake_lex: I don't think I've ever seen someone whose job it is to go on TV regularly rendered quite so speechless.

Plus, Tennessee was one of the states that declined the Medicare expansion to show Fartbama what for.

Medicaid, not Medicare.   And they likely didn't do it for political reasons, although they may have used political rhetoric as cover.

Many of the poorer states chose not to expand Medicaid, while many of the richer ones did.  Although it seems counter intuitive, there are hard financial reasons for this, which Maryland and South Carolina laid out expertly in Health Affairs.

What it comes down to is that rich states can afford strong social nets, and already had them in place.  So the Medicaid expansion to them consists of the feds covering a % of what they were already paying, for a small % of their population.

Poor states on the other hand don't have much of a budget, because they are a poor state.  In many cases expanding Medicaid to 130% of poverty level would require the state to cover most of their population.  No money + giant expansion = huge problem.

There are some good parts to the ACA.  But taking the worst funded and worst run part of healthcare and expanding it 30%?  That was a really dumb idea.  A better approach would have been to eliminate Medicaid, give the poor free healthcare via the exchanges, and then putting Medicare on the exchanges.


Healthcare plans that work for most people won't do as well for people poor enough to qualify for Medicaid. A student stretching a budget can afford a small copay for the doctor, or $10-40 for monthly meds. It's uncomfortable, but I've done it before. If you're poor enough for Medicaid, those small payments just aren't really an option. When I got Medicaid it took me a bit to realize I didn't need to hold off between appointments because of copays. I can totally catch up on things like the dentist and optometrist and gynecologist which I've put off for years because I have to see other doctors so often (having trouble getting narcolepsy meds adjusted properly).

Kentucky Medicaid is done through private insurance companies. Mine is Humana. I think that makes sense, they're more used to handling this shiat. But the copays and what's covered and everything like that can't really just be taken straight from the exchanges. It's serving a very different demographic.
 
2014-03-08 07:37:49 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: ManateeGag: I can't believe he said "just stop being poor" - is it that easy?

Hey, if you're poor just ask your parents for a loan.


Or sue them. That seems to be an option for at least one spoiled, self-entitled teenage moron.
 
2014-03-08 07:42:54 PM

Urbn: ItchyMcDoogle: Yayyy my first politics green light! But sad that this is the highlight of my day.

So I guess the Republican argument is that yes we have the best healthcare in the world but only if you can afford it, but if you can't there is a nice pine box with your name on it. Oh and dont be poor, Slacker. There are people working 40 plus hours a week that cant afford healthcare. They are hardly slackers but the GOP considers them moochers. Free Market must be code for i'm an uncaring A-hole now.

Im also shocked that a 3rd world medical unit has to be called on here in america is not considered news and that I had to learn it on the Daily Show. Way to go Tennessee for sticking it to Obama at the expense of your people

THIS! What the fark? I know what every goddamn Kardashian is up to whether I want to or not - you can't get away from that kind of crap. But no one bothers to cover what's actually going on with real people in our country? (Yes, that's right, Kardashians are not real people. I don't even want to know what they are.)

/Oh, and congrats on the greenlight


And best part?  All of these people being treated there are likely die hard Republicans.
 
2014-03-08 07:43:03 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: MelGoesOnTour: When I was in college (mid 80's) I did not have health insurance yet when I had to go to the doctor or dentist the bills did not kill me. Flash forward to today when a trip to the doctor to check my blood runs several hundred dollars. Over time what has happened is that even though insurance pays for most of that cost, it seems that the insurance industry has built a system wherein providers can charge what they want to because they know they'll be reimbursed and the patient will not go broke (since insurance pays the bills). These days a simple kidney-stone removal procedure might easily run $25K (mine did) whereas 20 years ago it was a fraction of that. In other words, these days if you either cannot afford insurance or if work does not provide it for you...you are simply screwed.

One factor behind this is that insurer HMO or PPO contracts are the only force that pushes prices downwards. So if you were insured and went to an "in-network" doctor and lab, they would have agreed (in advance, with the insurer) to bill probably about 1/5 of what you were billed. Then the insurance picks up whatever percentage of that and the patient pays the rest.

Yep - in the USA, the uninsured pay the most for health care.

Price controls - it's how other countries keep prices more or less sane, and the only thing that works in health care. Free-market competition doesn't work when the prices are opaque, information is this asymmetric, and there are big barriers to entry (not just anyone can draw blood, order tests, prescribe drugs, manufacture drugs, etc., mostly for very good reasons).


Also doctors are paid by procedure, not by hour. This results in doctors ordering tests you have no business doing because they're going to milk you for everything you've got.

Compare this to my dad who goes to the VA. The doctor actually got on the phone with him and ordered a prescription because they're paid hourly, and saw no reason to bring him in for what he had.
 
2014-03-08 07:44:05 PM
When he said "stop being poor", I had to pause the video and walk away because I wanted to crawl thorough my monitor and choke him.

Been unemployed for almost two years, and I have a masters degree.
 
2014-03-08 08:59:43 PM

darch: Just watched it.

Good god- you can actually see the exact moment this douchebag's mind breaks. And like others have stated, the dude  actually doubles down on the stupidity.Un-farking-believable.


yeah, it was pretty impressive. You could see part of his mind is going 'Shut up, shut up this can't be right', while the other part is like 'eh, yeah sure why not, stop being poor works, go with it'
 
2014-03-08 10:14:32 PM

Unoriginal_Username: darch: Just watched it.

Good god- you can actually see the exact moment this douchebag's mind breaks. And like others have stated, the dude  actually doubles down on the stupidity.Un-farking-believable.

yeah, it was pretty impressive. You could see part of his mind is going 'Shut up, shut up this can't be right', while the other part is like 'eh, yeah sure why not, stop being poor works, go with it'


It totally looks set up. The horror is realizing that it wasn't.
 
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