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(The Week)   When it comes to the gay marriage debate, the real bigots are the bigots who call bigots bigots. Bigots   (theweek.com) divider line 315
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2014-03-07 04:24:55 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Krymson Tyde: Rent my clothes maybe.

I'll give you two bits for ten minutes with your pants.


Deal.

Wait, what did you have in mind?
 
2014-03-07 04:25:29 PM

loki see loki do: Anybody else getting hungry?


I'm freaking starving.
 
2014-03-07 04:25:38 PM
Friedersdorf wrote, because it assumes that "homophobia, anti-gay bigotry, and hatred are obviously what's motivating anyone who declines to provide a service for a gay wedding," when in fact, plenty of gay marriage opponents merely reject it because they regard "marriage as a religious sacrament with a procreative purpose." And that is fundamentally different from bigotry.

Ooooh!!! I got this one!!! They're requiring people to have babies when they marry, denying them marriage licenses if they don't plan to have babies and all for making it illegal for them to get married if either one is physically incapable of having babies, right???? Are they going to push to set a hard deadline, a "shiat or get off the pot" moment, say, when they have to show cause to stay married? Maybe 18 months? No kids? No more marriage.

Right?
Is this thing on?
Hello????
 
2014-03-07 04:25:50 PM

ManateeGag: Jaymark108: A vegan caterer who has moral objections to preparing animals as food would be justified to not make BBQ for a customer. A vegan caterer would not be justified to deny vegan dishes to an omnivore customer.

so if I want to hire a vegan caterer to prepare dishes for my vegan guests that my MEAT-O-RAMA summer party, and she refuses because my party is going to have mean, even though I'm not asking her to cook, serve or even look at it, i have the right to sue her?


You have the right to sue anyone for any reason, so yes, but you won't win unless diet is a protected class in your state.
 
2014-03-07 04:25:51 PM

Krymson Tyde: Wait, what did you have in mind?


Hey, as long as I pay for the insurance, that's none of your business!
 
2014-03-07 04:27:02 PM

Krymson Tyde: peacheslatour: Krymson Tyde: I've lost a few bigoted friends over this issue. Woe is me.

 Zounds!  Whatever will you do?

Dunno. Rent my clothes maybe.


I need a ballgown for Saturday night.
 
2014-03-07 04:29:26 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Krymson Tyde: Wait, what did you have in mind?

Hey, as long as I pay for the insurance, that's none of your business!


My religion had strict tenets regarding the use of my pants. You're not being a bigot against my religious beliefs, are you?
 
2014-03-07 04:30:41 PM

peacheslatour: Krymson Tyde: peacheslatour: Krymson Tyde: I've lost a few bigoted friends over this issue. Woe is me.

 Zounds!  Whatever will you do?

Dunno. Rent my clothes maybe.

I need a ballgown for Saturday night.


I wear boxers or briefs, not gowns. Sorry.
 
2014-03-07 04:30:48 PM

thurstonxhowell: You have the right to sue anyone for any reason, so yes, but you won't win unless diet is a protected class in your state.


Judging by obesity rates, diet is definitely not a protected class in my state.
 
2014-03-07 04:31:52 PM

Krymson Tyde: peacheslatour: Krymson Tyde: peacheslatour: Krymson Tyde: I've lost a few bigoted friends over this issue. Woe is me.

 Zounds!  Whatever will you do?

Dunno. Rent my clothes maybe.

I need a ballgown for Saturday night.

I wear boxers or briefs, not gowns. Sorry.


If she wants to wear your boxers as a ball gown, that's her right I suppose.
 
2014-03-07 04:38:13 PM

Nadie_AZ: And yet, that appears to be insufficient for some gay marriage proponents. They don't just want to win the legal right to marry. They don't just want most Americans to recognize and affirm the equal dignity of their relationships. They appear to want and expect all Americans to recognize and affirm that equal dignity, under penalty of ostracism from civilized life.

Huh?


Terrible, I know!
 
2014-03-07 04:44:10 PM

Marcus Aurelius: ManateeGag: mrshowrules: I don't have an issue with people being bigots, I have an issue with them acting on their bigotry and institutionalizing it.

i can agree with this.  you are free to be all the asshole you want to be, just don't try to force your assholery to be the the law of the land.

So it doesn't bother you even a little bit that God is going to smite us for our wicked ways?


God has to exist in order to smite anything. Evidence for such a being is sorely lacking. So, no. It doesn't bother me.
 
2014-03-07 04:45:36 PM
There is no bigot like a gay narcissist bigot.

I suppose they believe that if they sue us enough times we'll accept and celebrate their sin as much as they do.

I use to not care.

Then it got to be in your face every damn day and it got annoying.

Now they want everybody to respect their rights (which still don't even exist in a lot of places). But anybody who wants their religious rights respected is a bigoted fool whose rights don't matter.

Arrogant hypocrisy at its finest.
 
2014-03-07 04:45:46 PM

mark12A: I just wish for a day when "religious conservatives PC Warriors" would just go about their business AND QUIT TELLING EVERYONE ELSE HOW TO LIVE.

See how that works?

Stop demanding that I accept Gay Marriage. I don't, and I'm not a bigot. I want gays to be left in peace and live their lives without harassment. My opposition has more to do with maintaining the traditional functionality of marriage (producing and rearing quality replacement citizens) and not the specter of bearded men in wedding dresses...(ewww!)


No one's asking you to "accept" anything. No one is proposing you to be forced to gaymarry What is expected is that you won't deny others who may like to do that sort of thing their own right to decide and do that if they want to. See how that works? They're not trying to force anything on you. You're trying to force something on them if you're trying to deny them equal rights. It's not the same and you're not special or entitled, any more than they are, so they get the same right to choose their private lives as you do.
 
2014-03-07 04:48:05 PM

cchris_39: There is no bigot like a gay narcissist bigot.

I suppose they believe that if they sue us enough times we'll accept and celebrate their sin as much as they do.

I use to not care.

Then it got to be in your face every damn day and it got annoying.

Now they want everybody to respect their rights (which still don't even exist in a lot of places). But anybody who wants their religious rights respected is a bigoted fool whose rights don't matter.

Arrogant hypocrisy at its finest.


ts2.mm.bing.net
 
2014-03-07 04:49:07 PM
cchris_39

But anybody who wants their religious rights respected is a bigoted fool whose rights don't matter.

This doesn't even make sense. No one wants to make you marry another guy. No one wants to force you to officiate a gay wedding. No one wants to force your church or temple or whatever to have homosexual marriages, as far as I know. So what religious rights are you talking about?
 
2014-03-07 04:50:00 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: That is....poorly written.

And all that talk about "tolerance" he's spouting sure doesn't make him walk the walk, only talk the talk.

I just wish for a day when "religious conservatives" would just go about their business AND QUIT TELLING EVERYONE ELSE HOW TO LIVE.


But that is their business. Their religion commands them to tell everyone how to live.
 
2014-03-07 04:54:35 PM

mark12A: I just wish for a day when "religious conservatives PC Warriors" would just go about their business AND QUIT TELLING EVERYONE ELSE HOW TO LIVE.

See how that works?

Stop demanding that I accept Gay Marriage. I don't, and I'm not a bigot. I want gays to be left in peace and live their lives without harassment. My opposition has more to do with maintaining the traditional functionality of marriage (producing and rearing quality replacement citizens) and not the specter of bearded men in wedding dresses...(ewww!)


So, my wife and I should not have been allowed to get married 20 years ago because we chose to never have children? Fark you.
 
2014-03-07 04:55:10 PM

cchris_39: Now they want everybody to respect their rights (which still don't even exist in a lot of places).


Yes. Yes they do. The sad thing is, you have a problem with this and that makes you 100% wrong.
 
2014-03-07 04:56:22 PM

what_now: They appear to want and expect all Americans to recognize and affirm that equal dignity, under penalty of ostracism from civilized life

Yes. That's exactly right.

You are free to be a bigot. Hate all you want. Join the Klan, fly the Confederate flag, tattoo a swastika to your forehead.

But other people will look down at you.


This, right here.

What the RW in this country want is they can say what they want without repercussions...I wonder if they'd have the balls to say anything to Putin and not expect Putin to hit back...hard.
 
2014-03-07 04:57:17 PM

cchris_39: There is no bigot like a gay narcissist bigot.

I suppose they believe that if they sue us enough times we'll accept and celebrate their sin as much as they do.

I use to not care.

Then it got to be in your face every damn day and it got annoying.

Now they want everybody to respect their rights (which still don't even exist in a lot of places). But anybody who wants their religious rights respected is a bigoted fool whose rights don't matter.

Arrogant hypocrisy at its finest.


Please point out the exact religious basis - in the Bible - for opposing equal marriage rights and encouraging treating fellow human beings like subhumans for their sexuality.

Note: You can't just say "because muh preacher said so" or "Ah thank it's gross 'n' stuff."

Also, you left out the good troll language about "ramming it down our throats." Do try harder next time.
 
2014-03-07 04:58:49 PM

Facetious_Speciest: cchris_39

But anybody who wants their religious rights respected is a bigoted fool whose rights don't matter.

This doesn't even make sense. No one wants to make you marry another guy. No one wants to force you to officiate a gay wedding. No one wants to force your church or temple or whatever to have homosexual marriages, as far as I know. So what religious rights are you talking about?


It's the part where Jesus told his followers that they should not sell any goods or services to a known homosexual, right?
 
2014-03-07 05:00:12 PM
People are still replying to SkinnyHead?  Really?  Do posters realize he is part of a cabal of RW posters that would deny the elephant in the room, even if it's sitting on their chest ready to crush them?
 
2014-03-07 05:01:00 PM

Rwa2play: People are still replying to SkinnyHead?  Really?  Do posters realize he is part of a cabal of RW posters that would deny the elephant in the room, even if it's sitting on their chest ready to crush them?


Whats that?
 
2014-03-07 05:01:51 PM

Rwa2play: People are still replying to SkinnyHead?  Really?  Do posters realize he is part of a cabal of RW posters that would deny the elephant in the room, even if it's sitting on their chest ready to crush them el chip's alt?

 
2014-03-07 05:06:11 PM

Ed Grubermann: mark12A: I just wish for a day when "religious conservatives PC Warriors" would just go about their business AND QUIT TELLING EVERYONE ELSE HOW TO LIVE.

See how that works?

Stop demanding that I accept Gay Marriage. I don't, and I'm not a bigot. I want gays to be left in peace and live their lives without harassment. My opposition has more to do with maintaining the traditional functionality of marriage (producing and rearing quality replacement citizens) and not the specter of bearded men in wedding dresses...(ewww!)

So, my wife and I should not have been allowed to get married 20 years ago because we chose to never have children? Fark you.


I'm assuming he's just a shiat-and-split troll since he has only made this one comment that has already been thoroughly destroyed both earlier in this thread and in prior threads and has not been back to attempt to defend it.
 
2014-03-07 05:07:16 PM
Fafai:

I was commenting about bigotry in general, referencing racism and sexism as well as the topically appropriate homophobia. I thought that was pretty clear in my post. My apologies if it wasn't.
 
2014-03-07 05:08:47 PM

Facetious_Speciest: cchris_39

But anybody who wants their religious rights respected is a bigoted fool whose rights don't matter.

This doesn't even make sense. No one wants to make you marry another guy.


I do. I'm tired of his constant denials of the obvious.
 
2014-03-07 05:09:05 PM

cchris_39: There is no bigot like a gay narcissist bigot.

I suppose they believe that if they sue us enough times we'll accept and celebrate their sin as much as they do.

I use to not care.

Then it got to be in your face every damn day and it got annoying.

Now they want everybody to respect their rights (which still don't even exist in a lot of places). But anybody who wants their religious rights respected is a bigoted fool whose rights don't matter.

Arrogant hypocrisy at its finest.


jungwildeandfree.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-07 05:09:10 PM

HighOnCraic: I think that was what the joke was


Fafai: I think the joke was to look back 50 years


I think the joke is Fark

media.moronail.net

*stares*

LELZ
 
2014-03-07 05:09:41 PM
Ugh.  This one is extremely difficult for me. I'm a born again Christian. Used to be against gay marriage, but only because the bible said so. That was the only reason. I didn't hate gays. I didn't want them to die.  I thought the rules against homosexuality were frightfully unfair, and I knew they couldn't be backed up without the bible. I even as silly as it sounds prayed and begged God to change his mind on that issue.

Was I a bigot?  My religion told me it was a sin, even though I saw nothing wrong with it. I felt horrible espousing a rule I didn't think was just but just couldn't get away from.

So I gave up on that rule. And a lot of my faith died with it. But I still pray, and I still believe and hope for a day  that the loving God I believe in and the Iron/Bronze/whatever age precepts are revealed as solely cultural.

Those of you who say that all religious people are bigoted are wrong. There are surely many hiding their hate behind the Word, but I cannot believe that I was the only person that followed it but wished it would go away.
 
2014-03-07 05:11:07 PM

HighOnCraic: Rwa2play: People are still replying to SkinnyHead?  Really?  Do posters realize he is part of a cabal of RW posters that would deny the elephant in the room, even if it's sitting on their chest ready to crush them el chip's alt?


is that true?  That's kind of funny, because when I was very conservative he was the only person I ever blocked, and now Skinnyhead is pretty much the only one I want to block now.
 
2014-03-07 05:13:42 PM

Rwa2play: People are still replying to SkinnyHead?  Really?  Do posters realize he is part of a cabal of RW posters that would deny the elephant in the room, even if it's sitting on their chest ready to crush them?


Ever see a cat play with a dead mouse?
 
2014-03-07 05:15:22 PM

rwhamann: HighOnCraic: Rwa2play: People are still replying to SkinnyHead?  Really?  Do posters realize he is part of a cabal of RW posters that would deny the elephant in the room, even if it's sitting on their chest ready to crush them el chip's alt?

is that true?  That's kind of funny, because when I was very conservative he was the only person I ever blocked, and now Skinnyhead is pretty much the only one I want to block now.


I've seen proof.  Of course, just by mentioning it, I risk+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CARRIER LOST++++++++++++++++++
 
2014-03-07 05:17:18 PM

lordjupiter: Rwa2play: People are still replying to SkinnyHead?  Really?  Do posters realize he is part of a cabal of RW posters that would deny the elephant in the room, even if it's sitting on their chest ready to crush them?

Ever see a cat play with a dead mouse?


Yeah but eventually a cat gets tired of it or it finds a new mouse to kill.

Unless you wish to elaborate further. :D
 
2014-03-07 05:21:45 PM

Rwa2play: lordjupiter: Rwa2play: People are still replying to SkinnyHead?  Really?  Do posters realize he is part of a cabal of RW posters that would deny the elephant in the room, even if it's sitting on their chest ready to crush them?

Ever see a cat play with a dead mouse?

Yeah but eventually a cat gets tired of it or it finds a new mouse to kill.

Unless you wish to elaborate further. :D


bat bat...bat bat bat bat....tap tap....gnaw gnaw FLING!
 
2014-03-07 05:29:48 PM

rwhamann: Ugh.  This one is extremely difficult for me. I'm a born again Christian. Used to be against gay marriage, but only because the bible said so. That was the only reason. I didn't hate gays. I didn't want them to die.  I thought the rules against homosexuality were frightfully unfair, and I knew they couldn't be backed up without the bible. I even as silly as it sounds prayed and begged God to change his mind on that issue.

Was I a bigot?  My religion told me it was a sin, even though I saw nothing wrong with it. I felt horrible espousing a rule I didn't think was just but just couldn't get away from.

So I gave up on that rule. And a lot of my faith died with it. But I still pray, and I still believe and hope for a day  that the loving God I believe in and the Iron/Bronze/whatever age precepts are revealed as solely cultural.

Those of you who say that all religious people are bigoted are wrong. There are surely many hiding their hate behind the Word, but I cannot believe that I was the only person that followed it but wished it would go away.


You could ignore all the other rules that aren't brought up in the average Sunday sermon, but are just as much the "word of god", but it was that one you had to pray about to get past?
 
2014-03-07 05:35:22 PM

rwhamann: Ugh.  This one is extremely difficult for me. I'm a born again Christian. Used to be against gay marriage, but only because the bible said so. That was the only reason. I didn't hate gays. I didn't want them to die.  I thought the rules against homosexuality were frightfully unfair, and I knew they couldn't be backed up without the bible. I even as silly as it sounds prayed and begged God to change his mind on that issue.

Was I a bigot?  My religion told me it was a sin, even though I saw nothing wrong with it. I felt horrible espousing a rule I didn't think was just but just couldn't get away from.

So I gave up on that rule. And a lot of my faith died with it. But I still pray, and I still believe and hope for a day  that the loving God I believe in and the Iron/Bronze/whatever age precepts are revealed as solely cultural.

Those of you who say that all religious people are bigoted are wrong. There are surely many hiding their hate behind the Word, but I cannot believe that I was the only person that followed it but wished it would go away.


I guess you don't care for lobster, that's o.k.- I'll have yours.
 
2014-03-07 05:36:54 PM

rwhamann: Ugh.  This one is extremely difficult for me. I'm a born again Christian. Used to be against gay marriage, but only because the bible said so. That was the only reason. I didn't hate gays. I didn't want them to die.  I thought the rules against homosexuality were frightfully unfair, and I knew they couldn't be backed up without the bible. I even as silly as it sounds prayed and begged God to change his mind on that issue.

Was I a bigot?  My religion told me it was a sin, even though I saw nothing wrong with it. I felt horrible espousing a rule I didn't think was just but just couldn't get away from.

So I gave up on that rule. And a lot of my faith died with it. But I still pray, and I still believe and hope for a day  that the loving God I believe in and the Iron/Bronze/whatever age precepts are revealed as solely cultural.

Those of you who say that all religious people are bigoted are wrong. There are surely many hiding their hate behind the Word, but I cannot believe that I was the only person that followed it but wished it would go away.


They are bigots.  You guys pick and choose what you follow from the bible.  I'm sure you followed all the rules from Leviticus.  They choose to hate.
 
2014-03-07 05:37:27 PM

timujin: rwhamann: Ugh.  This one is extremely difficult for me. I'm a born again Christian. Used to be against gay marriage, but only because the bible said so. That was the only reason. I didn't hate gays. I didn't want them to die.  I thought the rules against homosexuality were frightfully unfair, and I knew they couldn't be backed up without the bible. I even as silly as it sounds prayed and begged God to change his mind on that issue.

Was I a bigot?  My religion told me it was a sin, even though I saw nothing wrong with it. I felt horrible espousing a rule I didn't think was just but just couldn't get away from.

So I gave up on that rule. And a lot of my faith died with it. But I still pray, and I still believe and hope for a day  that the loving God I believe in and the Iron/Bronze/whatever age precepts are revealed as solely cultural.

Those of you who say that all religious people are bigoted are wrong. There are surely many hiding their hate behind the Word, but I cannot believe that I was the only person that followed it but wished it would go away.

You could ignore all the other rules that aren't brought up in the average Sunday sermon, but are just as much the "word of god", but it was that one you had to pray about to get past?


I don't know what rules you're talking about, but in a word yes. I didn't really ignore rules - I recognized that I was human, I sin, and prayed for help to stop sinning. But that one stuck in my craw because I couldn't understand why it was a sin - it seems arbitrary capricious and even cruel, especially if someone is born gay.


/All the snide comments about shellfish and mixed fabrics in the thread sound like they score mega points, but the New Testament clearly abolished most if not all unclean issues.
 
2014-03-07 05:38:34 PM

Gecko Gingrich: cchris_39: Now they want everybody to respect their rights (which still don't even exist in a lot of places).

Yes. Yes they do. The sad thing is, you have a problem with this and that makes you 100% wrong.


Respect is earned as it is given.  When it became about forcing  this baker and that barber, the agenda became clear and you support.
 
2014-03-07 05:41:17 PM

rwhamann: timujin: rwhamann: Ugh.  This one is extremely difficult for me. I'm a born again Christian. Used to be against gay marriage, but only because the bible said so. That was the only reason. I didn't hate gays. I didn't want them to die.  I thought the rules against homosexuality were frightfully unfair, and I knew they couldn't be backed up without the bible. I even as silly as it sounds prayed and begged God to change his mind on that issue.

Was I a bigot?  My religion told me it was a sin, even though I saw nothing wrong with it. I felt horrible espousing a rule I didn't think was just but just couldn't get away from.

So I gave up on that rule. And a lot of my faith died with it. But I still pray, and I still believe and hope for a day  that the loving God I believe in and the Iron/Bronze/whatever age precepts are revealed as solely cultural.

Those of you who say that all religious people are bigoted are wrong. There are surely many hiding their hate behind the Word, but I cannot believe that I was the only person that followed it but wished it would go away.

You could ignore all the other rules that aren't brought up in the average Sunday sermon, but are just as much the "word of god", but it was that one you had to pray about to get past?

I don't know what rules you're talking about, but in a word yes. I didn't really ignore rules - I recognized that I was human, I sin, and prayed for help to stop sinning. But that one stuck in my craw because I couldn't understand why it was a sin - it seems arbitrary capricious and even cruel, especially if someone is born gay.


/All the snide comments about shellfish and mixed fabrics in the thread sound like they score mega points, but the New Testament clearly abolished most if not all unclean issues.


How did the New Testament "abolish" those issues?  Shellfish and mixed fabrics, along with a host of other ridiculous rules, are clearly enumerated in Leviticus, the same place that people get the rules about man lying with a man.
 
2014-03-07 05:42:14 PM

cchris_39: Gecko Gingrich: cchris_39: Now they want everybody to respect their rights (which still don't even exist in a lot of places).

Yes. Yes they do. The sad thing is, you have a problem with this and that makes you 100% wrong.

Respect is earned as it is given.  When it became about forcing  this baker and that barber, the agenda became clear and you support.


What agenda is that?
 
2014-03-07 05:42:30 PM

cchris_39: Gecko Gingrich: cchris_39: Now they want everybody to respect their rights (which still don't even exist in a lot of places).

Yes. Yes they do. The sad thing is, you have a problem with this and that makes you 100% wrong.

Respect is earned as it is given.  When it became about forcing  this baker and that barber, the agenda became clear and you support.


Christians are lucky as hell that gays treat them with as much respect and consideration as they do, considering all the vitriolic hate that has been lavished on them from pulpits and pews across the entire country. I don't think Christians have half a leg to stand on regarding "respect" (especially since they're ostensibly all about loving their neighbors.)
 
2014-03-07 05:47:13 PM

timujin: How did the New Testament "abolish" those issues?  Shellfish and mixed fabrics, along with a host of other ridiculous rules, are clearly enumerated in Leviticus, the same place that people get the rules about man lying with a man.


It was supposedly a revelation the apostle Peter had in a dream, outlining a change in the old Levitical laws. Don't remember off-hand chapter and verse.
 
2014-03-07 05:49:58 PM

cchris_39: There is no bigot like a gay narcissist bigot.

I suppose they believe that if they sue us enough times we'll accept and celebrate their sin as much as they do.

I use to not care.

Then it got to be in your face every damn day and it got annoying.

Now they want everybody to respect their rights (which still don't even exist in a lot of places). But anybody who wants their religious rights respected is a bigoted fool whose rights don't matter.

Arrogant hypocrisy at its finest.


image.blingee.com
 
2014-03-07 05:52:05 PM

timujin: rwhamann: timujin: rwhamann: Ugh.  This one is extremely difficult for me. I'm a born again Christian. Used to be against gay marriage, but only because the bible said so. That was the only reason. I didn't hate gays. I didn't want them to die.  I thought the rules against homosexuality were frightfully unfair, and I knew they couldn't be backed up without the bible. I even as silly as it sounds prayed and begged God to change his mind on that issue.

Was I a bigot?  My religion told me it was a sin, even though I saw nothing wrong with it. I felt horrible espousing a rule I didn't think was just but just couldn't get away from.

So I gave up on that rule. And a lot of my faith died with it. But I still pray, and I still believe and hope for a day  that the loving God I believe in and the Iron/Bronze/whatever age precepts are revealed as solely cultural.

Those of you who say that all religious people are bigoted are wrong. There are surely many hiding their hate behind the Word, but I cannot believe that I was the only person that followed it but wished it would go away.

You could ignore all the other rules that aren't brought up in the average Sunday sermon, but are just as much the "word of god", but it was that one you had to pray about to get past?

I don't know what rules you're talking about, but in a word yes. I didn't really ignore rules - I recognized that I was human, I sin, and prayed for help to stop sinning. But that one stuck in my craw because I couldn't understand why it was a sin - it seems arbitrary capricious and even cruel, especially if someone is born gay.


/All the snide comments about shellfish and mixed fabrics in the thread sound like they score mega points, but the New Testament clearly abolished most if not all unclean issues.

How did the New Testament "abolish" those issues?  Shellfish and mixed fabrics, along with a host of other ridiculous rules, are clearly enumerated in Leviticus, the same place that people get the rules about ma ...


In a Acts 10 Peter receives a vision from God telling him to kill and eat some unclean animals.  This is frequently interpreted to lift the arbitrary rules of diet and other silly rules from Leviticus, (along with the greater message tha salvation was not restricted from the Gentile) - rules which were there mainly to prove the folly of living by a set of rules anyway. However, Paul, in the New Testament, still condemns homosexuality. And this was the bitter pill for me - how can God create gay people, yet deny them the gift of love and marriage?  It was a long road, turning away from that. Doug Pinnick, a Christian singer who came out as gay in 2001, wrote a very emotional a powerful letter to his fans on the topic. That was where I started turning away, and started to take a lot less of the bible as literal and more of it as cultural setting and lyrical.
 
2014-03-07 05:54:28 PM

cchris_39: Gecko Gingrich: cchris_39: Now they want everybody to respect their rights (which still don't even exist in a lot of places).

Yes. Yes they do. The sad thing is, you have a problem with this and that makes you 100% wrong.

Respect is earned as it is given.  When it became about forcing  this baker and that barber, the agenda became clear and you support.



Wait, you want equal respect for hatred and discrimination against people for who they ARE, because of something you CHOOSE TO BELIEVE?

Yeah, don't hold your breath.  It's not hypocrisy to tell you to stop discriminating based on the way people are born.  Do you respect the muslim terrorists who want to kill you for being American?  Would you let them lock you up and torture you because it wouldn't be "fair" to resist their attack on who you are?
 
2014-03-07 05:55:46 PM

SkinnyHead: Theaetetus: SkinnyHead: Marcus Aurelius: SkinnyHead: The original meaning of the term "bigot" referred to people who were intolerant of the religious beliefs of others.

It's a good thing that no one is being forced to get gay married then.

Should wedding photographers be forced to photograph gay weddings, despite religious objections?

Nope. They can close their businesses go be as bigoted in their homes as they want. No one is forced to do anything they don't want.

What you're asking is a different question: should a business owner be allowed to discriminate and refuse service to a minority group?

Religious people have rights too.  Why should a religious person have to chose between his religion and his profession?  To insist that a religious person violate his religion or give up his profession, when there are reasonable alternatives available, would be intolerant.  There's a word for that kind of intolerance.


They do not have the right to deny anyone because they are gay. Period.
 
2014-03-07 05:55:59 PM

mark12A: Stop demanding that I accept Gay Marriage. I don't, and I'm not a bigot. I want gays to be left in peace and live their lives without harassment. My opposition has more to do with maintaining the traditional functionality of marriage (producing and rearing quality replacement citizens) and not the specter of bearded men in wedding dresses...(ewww!)


Who's stopping you from moving to Saudi Arabia?
America: Love it or leave it, as republicans always say.
 
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