Tyrone Slothrop: How to write a movie for the SyFy channel:1) take a natural disaster or other threat2) add sharks
Any Pie Left: This is where I jump in with my standard spiel about the definition of real science fiction. The science or technology component of your story is such that, absent that element, the story is impossible to tell. Another way to say it: if you can replace your robots with Red Indians, your starships with Steam trains, your lasers with six-shooters, etc. and still tell basically the same overall plot, you didn't really write sci-fi, so much as write a fantasy story with some technological elements to it. Star Wars for example is not sci-fi so much as fantasy with a technological venerr over it. And that doesn't make SW any less entertaining, mind you, but it's not strictly science fiction. Trek has the same problem in many episodes, but has a few good ones that fit into the formula I'm talking about.
Skwrl: If I'm reading you correctly, 99% of Star Trek isn't Sci Fi, either. Can you give some examples of what does qualify?
DubtodaIll: Know your audience.
frepnog: Skwrl: If I'm reading you correctly, 99% of Star Trek isn't Sci Fi, either. Can you give some examples of what does qualify?some obscure bullshiat that is mostly made up technobabble. pretty much all sci-fi could be made into standard stories by replacing the laser guns with six shooters. it's why in general, sci-fi tends to ACTUALLY be social commentary.
Mikey1969: You should read better sci fi...
spiritplumber: You can write well-thought-out, plausible, inspiring sci fi and
frepnog: Mikey1969: You should read better sci fi...recommend me something good.
Skwrl: If I'm reading you correctly, 99% of Star Trek isn't Sci Fi, either.
Tyrone Slothrop: frepnog: Mikey1969: You should read better sci fi...recommend me something good.Ringworld. Or really anything in the "known space" series by Larry Niven.
Any Pie Left: Star Wars for example is not sci-fi so much as fantasy with a technological venerr over it.
Any Pie Left: Of recent movies, I love to point to "Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind" as an example of what I mean by a real sci fi movie. The memory altering technique is an extrapolation of existing or theorized technology, but the story is about what happens to people and relationships when the choice of using this technology becomes available.
Any Pie Left: And that was my point about the "rule": whatever the scientific or technological principle is that is being extrapolated, it fundamentally affects the world of the story and the characters, in such a way that the *specific* tale can;t be told without the enabling premise.
omeganuepsilon: Then why does Star Wars fail?
Ishkur: omeganuepsilon: Then why does Star Wars fail?Because it doesn't involve the technology -- it's not essential to telling the story. Here's a better explanation:Fantasy: Story with implausible high technologySci-Fi: Story ABOUT plausible high technology (what happens if it breaks down, it's misapplied, misused or abused, or ruins things... and what the ramifications mean to humanity).Refer to my earlier post about The Fly. If you remove the science, you cannot have a story.
omeganuepsilon: If you remove all of the science-y parts of starwars, you're left without a movie.
omeganuepsilon: If you think somehow that an actual teleportation machine is more plausible
Any Pie Left: There, the "rule" of a "good" mystery would be something like
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