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(Mother Jones)   Study shows that no amount of logic, reason, or science can change an anti-vaccinator's mind   (motherjones.com) divider line 128
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2014-03-07 09:18:57 AM  
You didn't need a study for that.  If dead kids aren't enough to change their minds then nothing will.
 
2014-03-07 09:18:59 AM  
I need a vaccine that protects me from stupid people.
 
2014-03-07 09:19:37 AM  
Because they're *right*
 
2014-03-07 09:19:38 AM  
Would some polio help?
 
2014-03-07 09:19:58 AM  
Reminds me of the Tea Party
 
2014-03-07 09:20:37 AM  
But an hour long video will surely do the trick!
 
2014-03-07 09:23:13 AM  
If you could talk to people about vaccines...
 
2014-03-07 09:23:26 AM  
Yeah great study,  the same goes for just about any highly controversial topic that exists today.
 
2014-03-07 09:23:26 AM  
In the words of the immortal Tull, "My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout."
 
2014-03-07 09:23:40 AM  
Snopes would go out of business if it worked.
 
2014-03-07 09:23:46 AM  
Idiots.  Don't you know they can pray those diseases away?  And if the child dies, then that's what God wanted.  Duhhhhhh
 
2014-03-07 09:24:12 AM  

ChipNASA: Because they're *right*


This. Nothing quite like righteousness and knowledge to make one evil and stupid.
 
2014-03-07 09:24:29 AM  
So, basically, there is no vaccination for stupid yet?
 
2014-03-07 09:24:46 AM  
Read the comments it is both sad and proves the point of the article.
 
2014-03-07 09:25:13 AM  
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2014-03-07 09:25:30 AM  
They needed a study for this? The Literal bible translation brigade wasn't enough to show that stupid people stick to stupid ideas no matter how stupid they look?

/Stupid.
 
2014-03-07 09:25:48 AM  

ChipNASA: Because they're  we're *right*


FTFY?
 
2014-03-07 09:26:04 AM  
Yes, we had a whopping cough outbreak here because we have some lovely granola-eating types 'round here who go blahblahblahherdimmunityblahblahautism.

Not quite as bad as the folks who claim their kid has a gluten-dairy-egg-meat-nut "allergy", or so says their doctor- that is, their Doctor of Naturopathic and Eastern medicine. I imagine that kid had a fun-filled life.
 
2014-03-07 09:27:25 AM  

ristst: Reminds me of the Tea Party


A large set of anti vaccers are liberals... no study has shown large sets being tea party... so.. lolwut?
 
2014-03-07 09:28:36 AM  
Dunno who said it first, but damn me if I don't hope that someday they come up with a vaccine for autism.
 
2014-03-07 09:28:51 AM  

MyRandomName: ristst: Reminds me of the Tea Party

A large set of anti vaccers are liberals... no study has shown large sets being tea party... so.. lolwut?


Citation Needed.
 
2014-03-07 09:30:07 AM  

MyRandomName: ristst: Reminds me of the Tea Party

A large set of anti vaccers are liberals... no study has shown large sets being tea party... so.. lolwut?


Saying stupid people stick to stupid ideas....... not that tea party participants are anti-vac chanters.

/Analogy comprehension fail
 
2014-03-07 09:30:57 AM  
It's faith with these people.  Sometimes it's paired with some religious creed...sometimes it's part of the  anti-gov, free-market paranoia/mania, but either way it's no different than religion.   Using facts, science and logic to convince these people that they are wrong about vaccination is like trying to convince a devout Muslim that Muhammad is not the prophet, or trying to convince an orthodox Jew that Moses never parted the Red Sea.  It's even worse with the Ayn Rand fans.  People like this once occupied the lunatic fringe, but they are now a sizable minority, with millions of adherents, and are capable of tilling national elections their way. This is why Murica is doomed.

/Nothing funny about it
 
2014-03-07 09:34:31 AM  
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2014-03-07 09:35:04 AM  
We need to see a reverse psychology version of this study. Tell parents that we only have a limited amount of these vaccines, and the free market dictates that they go to the highest bidder. They will be demanding accessible, affordable vaccinations in no time. Give it to them, and let them think they won a David v. Goliath battle against Big Pharma.
 
2014-03-07 09:36:55 AM  
The comments in TFA make fark vaccination threads seem civil.
 
2014-03-07 09:36:56 AM  
You cannot be reasoned out of a position you weren't reasoned into. This news is so old that when yo mama was your age she said this news is so old that when yo mama was your age she said this news is so old that when yo mama....
 
2014-03-07 09:37:52 AM  

s1ugg0: MyRandomName: ristst: Reminds me of the Tea Party

A large set of anti vaccers are liberals... no study has shown large sets being tea party... so.. lolwut?

Citation Needed.


There is a bit of crossover of cranky libertarian anti-vaccination people. But for the most part they seem to be crunchy granola new age hippie types who are simply ignorant, misinformed, and tremendously suspicious of the "industry" side of the medical industry.
 
2014-03-07 09:43:45 AM  
I think I'll step in here. Many on the fringe left believe that the government/corporation axis hides the truth about anything that might cut into the bottom line. These people' faith is in their all-knowing paranoia, not in a god. So it isn't all religious fanatacism, just an other kind of the same closed-mindedness. Besides, Jesus is an extraterrestrial.
 
2014-03-07 09:44:12 AM  
I hope they become living proof that what doesn't kill you often leaves you crippled and scarred.
 
2014-03-07 09:49:04 AM  
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/how-to-resist-pediatrician-pro /

Just stick with the comments section.  That's all you need to know.
 
2014-03-07 09:51:07 AM  

Schmerd1948: I think I'll step in here. Many on the fringe left believe that the government/corporation axis hides the truth about anything that might cut into the bottom line. These people' faith is in their all-knowing paranoia, not in a god. So it isn't all religious fanatacism, just an other kind of the same closed-mindedness. Besides, Jesus is an extraterrestrial.


Half-extraterrestrial.
 
2014-03-07 09:52:14 AM  

tillerman35: In the words of the immortal Tull, "My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout."


I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.
 
2014-03-07 09:54:00 AM  

someonelse: We need to see a reverse psychology version of this study. Tell parents that we only have a limited amount of these vaccines, and the free market dictates that they go to the highest bidder. They will be demanding accessible, affordable vaccinations in no time. Give it to them, and let them think they won a David v. Goliath battle against Big Pharma.


If you can get the individuals behind the 'bikini bridge' hoax to jump on this idea, the resulting flood of news stories might turn your idea into reality.  The anti-vaxers I've met all tend to follow bizarre news sources, and would believe a new conspiracy almost immediately.  And the rest of us could stop having to worry about the lack of herd immunity.  Do it!
 
2014-03-07 09:54:32 AM  
And no matter how many times you repost it...
 
2014-03-07 09:55:34 AM  
I can draw a pretty simple line at this one:

People who dont vaccinate their children should have their parental rights removed.

This is the more civilized answer I could conjure.
 
2014-03-07 09:58:59 AM  
Some people aren't built for science.  That's fine.  It's not a bad thing.  But then they're permitted to make very important decisions that influence the lives of others in deadly ways.  This is not cool.  So if the question can't be "how can we convince them?"  It must be "How do we stop them?"
 
2014-03-07 10:05:08 AM  
Is there any convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease?
 
2014-03-07 10:05:27 AM  
"I say: Let 'em crash,"
 
2014-03-07 10:09:15 AM  

MyRandomName: ristst: Reminds me of the Tea Party

A large set of anti vaccers are liberals... no study has shown large sets being tea party... so.. lolwut?


I was referring to the "no amount of logic, reason, or science can change their mind" part of the headline.  I have no idea about the political affiliation of anti-vaccinators.
 
2014-03-07 10:09:21 AM  

cherryl taggart: someonelse: We need to see a reverse psychology version of this study. Tell parents that we only have a limited amount of these vaccines, and the free market dictates that they go to the highest bidder. They will be demanding accessible, affordable vaccinations in no time. Give it to them, and let them think they won a David v. Goliath battle against Big Pharma.

If you can get the individuals behind the 'bikini bridge' hoax to jump on this idea, the resulting flood of news stories might turn your idea into reality.  The anti-vaxers I've met all tend to follow bizarre news sources, and would believe a new conspiracy almost immediately.  And the rest of us could stop having to worry about the lack of herd immunity.  Do it!


 I actually think this would work.
 
2014-03-07 10:09:40 AM  

Deep Contact: Is there any convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease?


Oh dear.

Also, this article is depressing.
 
2014-03-07 10:14:13 AM  

Deep Contact: Is there any convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease?


The disappearance of:

Smallpox
Polio
Whooping Cough
MMR
etc etc

are all tied to vaccines.   Or aliens.

And, conversely, their resurgence in California when people stopped taking vaccines in large numbers (see herd immunity).   Although that could also be aliens.
 
2014-03-07 10:21:54 AM  

ristst: Reminds me of the Tea Party


Careful, you might be accused of being a Sekrit Teebaggr and no longer allowed to shop at Whole Foods.
 
2014-03-07 10:23:06 AM  

doubled99: Yeah great study,  the same goes for just about any highly controversial topic that exists today.


It's only "controversial" the same way that Mr. Obama's native citizenship is "controversial"--brought up over and over by lunatic fringe dipshiats who would greatly improve humanity by ceasing to swim in the gene pool.

They don't need to die, just stop reproducing.
 
2014-03-07 10:24:39 AM  

MassAsster: They needed a study for this? The Literal bible translation brigade wasn't enough to show that stupid people stick to stupid ideas no matter how stupid they look?

/Stupid.


They did need a study for this. Anti-vaccine is an infection in liberal minds far more than it is conservative (see also "Shopping at Whole Foods"). There is a prejudice that liberals are magically immune from being stupid.
 
2014-03-07 10:25:09 AM  
Here's comes the science!

http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/
 
2014-03-07 10:25:38 AM  

MyRandomName: ristst: Reminds me of the Tea Party

A large set of anti vaccers are liberals... no study has shown large sets being tea party... so.. lolwut?


Since you're an idiot, I'll spell it out.

The BEHAVIOR reminds the poster of Teabagger behavior. And said poster is correct. It pretty much IS Teabagger behavior and the Teabagger mind, merely in a liberal outfit.
 
2014-03-07 10:26:10 AM  
Best way to influence an anti-vacccer's mind:

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-07 10:27:13 AM  

ragekage: Yes, we had a whopping cough outbreak here because we have some lovely granola-eating types 'round here who go blahblahblahherdimmunityblahblahautism.


Hey now, don't lump us granola eating types in with the Anti-Vaxxars.  A lot of us wish they would just move to another state and die off already.  From my experience, the granola eating types are less likely to follow organized religion and are more open to science and tech (at least here in Northern California).
 
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