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(Washington Post)   Time to quit biatching that there's no true progressive in the '16 race: Bernie Sanders says he's prepared to run for president   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 151
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2014-03-06 11:35:24 PM  
Well, I know I'd vote for him.
 
2014-03-06 11:43:07 PM  
I'm not voting for anyone who played for the farking Lions.
 
2014-03-06 11:49:08 PM  
who?
 
2014-03-06 11:52:01 PM  
In all seriousness though, he'd be 75 before taking office, and assuming he had two terms, he'd be 83. That's 6 years older than Reagan was when he took office.

I love me some Bernie Sanders but I don't think it would be good for his health.
 
2014-03-06 11:53:51 PM  
Good. Pull the primary conversation to the left.
 
2014-03-07 12:24:43 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Good. Pull the primary conversation to the left.


This.
 
2014-03-07 12:26:45 AM  
How about we not potentially split the party and let the Republicans get everything they could ever want?
 
2014-03-07 12:27:52 AM  
Splendid! Pull votes away from Hillary. Works for me.
/Condi in '16
 
2014-03-07 12:32:48 AM  
Oh, farking great idea.  Split the vote and let a tea party asshole win.
 
2014-03-07 12:35:44 AM  

Bazzlex001: How about we not potentially split the party and let the Republicans get everything they could ever want?


Well, not everything! Half the GOP are anti-science, barely-literate, religious maniacs. I want a Republican who is the very embodiment of modern education. Perhaps we can steer them away from the cliff they are heading towards. Besides, Hillary is a power-drunk yenta, whom I wouldn't trust anywhere near the Red Phone.
/Condi in '16.
 
2014-03-07 12:38:00 AM  
Given his past abuse of the filibuster I'm concerned he lacks respect for the Constitution.
 
2014-03-07 12:39:11 AM  

GentlemanJ: Splendid! Pull votes away from Hillary. Works for me.
/Condi in '16


What? hahahahahaha!
 
2014-03-07 12:39:13 AM  
What's a Bernie Sanders?

GentlemanJ: Splendid! Pull votes away from Hillary. Works for me.
/Condi in '16


God, if the Dems run Hillary...I'll...I'll...probably still vote for her, but goddamnitsomuch
 
2014-03-07 12:39:56 AM  

bdub77: In all seriousness though, he'd be 75 before taking office, and assuming he had two terms, he'd be 83. That's 6 years older than Reagan was when he took office.

I love me some Bernie Sanders but I don't think it would be good for his health.


But does it come with Dementia for the second half of his second term?

/Oh the poor Secret Service, throwing leaves in the pool for Saint Reagan to scoop up.
 
2014-03-07 12:41:25 AM  
Goddammit Bernie, stay out of the damn sewer.
 
2014-03-07 12:41:26 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: who?


An honestly good man who has spent a lifetime showing that Sishulisms actually farking works.
 
2014-03-07 12:46:47 AM  
He'd stand zero chance in a general election and his running as third party/independent would just end up Nadering the Democratic nominee.
I certainly wouldn't mind him running in the Democratic primary though, as, while I don't think he'd win, as noted above, he'd pull the conversation to the left a bit.
 
2014-03-07 12:47:57 AM  
See, I don't get that at all. What's with that portrayal?

If Hillary had been elected in 2008 instead of Obama, I firmly believe we would have had a public option rammed through the supermajority in congress almost immediately. Before Kennedy died..... I have no issue with that sort of power-drunkeness. But the notion that she is going to somehow suddenly become a war-monger-she-devil is pretty absurd.
 
2014-03-07 12:50:31 AM  

Bazzlex001: See, I don't get that at all. What's with that portrayal?

If Hillary had been elected in 2008 instead of Obama, I firmly believe we would have had a public option rammed through the supermajority in congress almost immediately. Before Kennedy died..... I have no issue with that sort of power-drunkeness. But the notion that she is going to somehow suddenly become a war-monger-she-devil is pretty absurd.


I just wish, for once in my lifetime, we could have a presidential election without a Bush, Clinton, or Kennedy being involved

/I just have to live a fewwwww more years...
 
2014-03-07 12:50:36 AM  

The Bestest: He'd stand zero chance in a general election


I'm not so sure. I think Bernie vs a tea partier would be competitive.
 
2014-03-07 12:51:13 AM  

Bazzlex001: I firmly believe we would have had a public option rammed through the supermajority in congress almost immediately. Before Kennedy died


People's memories are short.. Democrats had a supermajority for a really, REALLY brief period of time, mainly due to Franken's confirmation being held up as long as they could get away with.
 
2014-03-07 12:52:41 AM  

bdub77: In all seriousness though, he'd be 75 before taking office, and assuming he had two terms, he'd be 83. That's 6 years older than Reagan was when he took office.

I love me some Bernie Sanders but I don't think it would be good for his health.


I don't really care what it means for his health, but your point is well taken. Frankly, for illogical reasons, I have the same reservation for Clinton and Warren. I just have a rule that is admittedly arbitrary, that my candidate must not reach age 70 in their first term. I can't justify it beyond age bias, but that's how I feel.

Dusk-You-n-Me: Good. Pull the primary conversation to the left.


Yea, I'm ok with that too.

/don't accuse me of being logically inconsistent!!!!
 
2014-03-07 12:55:16 AM  
I would vote for Sanders in a heartbeat.

Protip: Acting like Jill Stein isn't going to to cut it.

You have to raise a shiat-ton of money to be President.
 
2014-03-07 12:55:33 AM  

Bazzlex001: But the notion that she is going to somehow suddenly become a war-monger-she-devil is pretty absurd.


Agreed. It would be impossible for Hillary to become a bloodthirsty warmonger.
 
2014-03-07 12:55:35 AM  

The Bestest: Bazzlex001: I firmly believe we would have had a public option rammed through the supermajority in congress almost immediately. Before Kennedy died

People's memories are short.. Democrats had a supermajority for a really, REALLY brief period of time, mainly due to Franken's confirmation being held up as long as they could get away with.


I am fully aware of how short it was. But it also existed, and such a reform has been Hillary's number one political goal over the duration of her career...
 
2014-03-07 12:57:03 AM  

Brainsick: Bazzlex001: See, I don't get that at all. What's with that portrayal?

If Hillary had been elected in 2008 instead of Obama, I firmly believe we would have had a public option rammed through the supermajority in congress almost immediately. Before Kennedy died..... I have no issue with that sort of power-drunkeness. But the notion that she is going to somehow suddenly become a war-monger-she-devil is pretty absurd.

I just wish, for once in my lifetime, we could have a presidential election without a Bush, Clinton, or Kennedy being involved

/I just have to live a fewwwww more years...


Now that is an argument I can support :-).

Unfortunately we do have some dynastic power accumulation issues (not so for the Clintons, there were just two of them. But the other two are pretty irritating).
 
2014-03-07 12:59:59 AM  
The good thing about Sen Sanders is that unlike Kucinich and Nader he's not clown shoes
 
2014-03-07 01:02:21 AM  

Brainsick: Bazzlex001: See, I don't get that at all. What's with that portrayal?

If Hillary had been elected in 2008 instead of Obama, I firmly believe we would have had a public option rammed through the supermajority in congress almost immediately. Before Kennedy died..... I have no issue with that sort of power-drunkeness. But the notion that she is going to somehow suddenly become a war-monger-she-devil is pretty absurd.

I just wish, for once in my lifetime, we could have a presidential election without a Bush, Clinton, or Kennedy being involved

/I just have to live a fewwwww more years...


Were you asleep all through 2012?
 
2014-03-07 01:02:46 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: I'm not so sure. I think Bernie vs a tea partier would be competitive.


If and only if he ran as the Dem nominee..

If he runs third party (and say, Hillary runs as D), even if R puts up Ted Cruz or Rand Paul or the like, I can easily see 2000 Redux..

and that frightens me
 
2014-03-07 01:03:18 AM  
How many conservative VS liberal governments have left office with improved economies? There is your obvious choice.
 
2014-03-07 01:04:14 AM  

The Bestest: If and only if he ran as the Dem nominee..


That was the scenario I was referring to.
 
2014-03-07 01:06:01 AM  
Hold on.

Maybe if Hilldawg chose Bernie for Veep?
 
2014-03-07 01:10:16 AM  

The Bestest: Dusk-You-n-Me: I'm not so sure. I think Bernie vs a tea partier would be competitive.

If and only if he ran as the Dem nominee..

If he runs third party (and say, Hillary runs as D), even if R puts up Ted Cruz or Rand Paul or the like, I can easily see 2000 Redux..

and that frightens me


Sanders is smart enough to not act as teh spoiler.
 
2014-03-07 01:11:41 AM  
Chris Christie wins or I'm hauling the family to Australia.

/just kidding on the Australia part
//but he's the only sane choice there is
 
2014-03-07 01:12:40 AM  

Kittypie070: Hold on.

Maybe if Hilldawg chose Bernie for Veep?


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2014-03-07 01:14:22 AM  

Kittypie070: Hold on.

Maybe if Hilldawg chose Bernie for Veep?


Or Warren.  Honestly, the best thing Bernie Sanders could do is to convince more Socialist/Independents to run for Congress.  And I mean dedicate some serious time to that.  That would be worth much more than a presidential bid and finally give the left a real voice in Congress.
 
2014-03-07 01:15:59 AM  

The Bestest: Dusk-You-n-Me: I'm not so sure. I think Bernie vs a tea partier would be competitive.

If and only if he ran as the Dem nominee..

If he runs third party (and say, Hillary runs as D), even if R puts up Ted Cruz or Rand Paul or the like, I can easily see 2000 Redux..

and that frightens me


It would be like Christmas in November. Not all that special I guess, since actual christmas starts up in mid-September these days, but still.
 
2014-03-07 01:17:53 AM  

Target Builder: Given his past abuse of the filibuster I'm concerned he lacks respect for the Constitution.


You mean the ONE he did where he actually did it right and talked for 8+ hours? That one? Yeah, HE'S the one who's filibustering too much.
 
2014-03-07 01:19:45 AM  

Car_Ramrod: Brainsick: Bazzlex001: See, I don't get that at all. What's with that portrayal?

If Hillary had been elected in 2008 instead of Obama, I firmly believe we would have had a public option rammed through the supermajority in congress almost immediately. Before Kennedy died..... I have no issue with that sort of power-drunkeness. But the notion that she is going to somehow suddenly become a war-monger-she-devil is pretty absurd.

I just wish, for once in my lifetime, we could have a presidential election without a Bush, Clinton, or Kennedy being involved

/I just have to live a fewwwww more years...

Were you asleep all through 2012?


Oh please, like that was even a contest.

/I would wager someone with one of those surnames was involved with the campaign(s) during 2012
//if nothing else, the "OMG, BENGHAZI' talking point held Hillary up as some sort of monster who reflected badly on Obama
 
2014-03-07 01:21:54 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Honestly, the best thing Bernie Sanders could do is to convince more Socialist/Independents to run for Congress.  And I mean dedicate some serious time to that.  That would be worth much more than a presidential bid and finally give the left a real voice in Congress.


That -would- be nice, but unfortunately the way Congress works you still need a majority for anything meaningful. It's why we have to put up with Issa's bullshiat daily (an aside, the Congressional Black Caucus put in a formal request to Boehner to have Issa removed from his chair [request summarily dismissed by Boehner], and the motion to even reprimand Issa for breaking procedural rules was tabled by a party-line vote)
 
2014-03-07 01:24:47 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Kittypie070: Hold on.

Maybe if Hilldawg chose Bernie for Veep?

Or Warren.  Honestly, the best thing Bernie Sanders could do is to convince more Socialist/Independents to run for Congress.  And I mean dedicate some serious time to that.  That would be worth much more than a presidential bid and finally give the left a real voice in Congress.


Whynotboth.jpg

Convince them to run on the campaign trail. Win/win.
 
2014-03-07 01:25:22 AM  

GentlemanJ: Bazzlex001: How about we not potentially split the party and let the Republicans get everything they could ever want?

Well, not everything! Half the GOP are anti-science, barely-literate, religious maniacs. I want a Republican who is the very embodiment of modern education. Perhaps we can steer them away from the cliff they are heading towards. Besides, Hillary is a power-drunk yenta, whom I wouldn't trust anywhere near the Red Phone.
/Condi in '16.


Because Condi is an expert on mushroom clouds, after all. Right?

I believe I'll not have what he's having.
 
2014-03-07 01:27:29 AM  
Sanders/Warren?
An actual powerful liberal ticket?
 
2014-03-07 01:28:49 AM  

DrBenway: GentlemanJ: Bazzlex001: How about we not potentially split the party and let the Republicans get everything they could ever want?

Well, not everything! Half the GOP are anti-science, barely-literate, religious maniacs. I want a Republican who is the very embodiment of modern education. Perhaps we can steer them away from the cliff they are heading towards. Besides, Hillary is a power-drunk yenta, whom I wouldn't trust anywhere near the Red Phone.
/Condi in '16.

Because Condi is an expert on mushroom clouds, after all. Right?

I believe I'll not have what he's having.


Oh, come on--here, I'll buy you one. Remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0
 
2014-03-07 01:29:44 AM  

I Like Bread: Sanders/Warren?
An actual powerful liberal ticket?


Hmm....
 
2014-03-07 01:30:51 AM  

I Like Bread: Sanders/Warren?
An actual powerful liberal ticket?


First thing I thought of. Sanders might actually tap her (as a VP running mate, of course) to bolster the choice. His other option would be to select a moderate for the appearance of a balanced ticket.
 
2014-03-07 01:33:02 AM  

Kittypie070: I Like Bread: Sanders/Warren?
An actual powerful liberal ticket?

Hmm....


No! Don't make it that easy for the GOP, or they'll nominate a yahoo. Force them to play their best hand: only Hillary Clinton can make them look for their best candidate.
/Condi in '16. Of course!
 
2014-03-07 01:45:01 AM  
Rice is not going to run, although it would be the best candidate the GOP has fielded since Eisenhauer. She is too smart ( at least average intelligence) to put her face on the moronic ideals of the current right. Besides, the constituency of right wing yahoos only nominates those they fear or want to drink a beer with.
 
2014-03-07 01:51:44 AM  

Ablejack: Rice is not going to run, although it would be the best candidate the GOP has fielded since Eisenhauer. She is too smart ( at least average intelligence) to put her face on the moronic ideals of the current right. Besides, the constituency of right wing yahoos only nominates those they fear or want to drink a beer with.


I respectfully disagree. Here's my evidence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukfS2bfP738
 
2014-03-07 01:53:06 AM  

GentlemanJ: Splendid! Pull votes away from Hillary. Works for me.
/Condi in '16


No disrespect to her, but given the current political climate, how many Republicans are going to vote for a black woman with a PhD?  Even with the (R) after her name, the only way she could be less palatable to them is if she were a union member.
 
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