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(Yahoo)   "It's like the day Kennedy was shot...no one will forget where they were when they heard the news." Is it: A) 9/11, B) Columbine, or C) Chrysler ordering 93 rare Vipers destroyed? Hint: The guy who said this is a complete imbecile   (autos.yahoo.com) divider line 99
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2014-03-07 01:19:59 AM  

Momzilla59: wildcardjack: After being "studied" in tech schools for years I'd bet they are fubar'ed anyways.

That being said, the first few should be conserved. Surely a museum piece.

The LeMay museum in Tacoma would be an excellent place for this car!

http://www.lemaymuseum.org/vehicles.php


Seconded.

/scruffy.
 
2014-03-07 01:22:08 AM  
Is it possible to smuggle the cars to some country that GM's tentacles can't reach?
 
2014-03-07 01:25:34 AM  

MechaPyx: "Chrysler orders 93 rare, early Vipers to the crusher"
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Why would they do that? Because as someone had pointed out, the cover story about the "joyriding students" is complete horseshiat and this is all just to protect the rich people from losing any value on their Flauntmobiles if any of these early models find their way into the market.

Letting the non elites have a Viper of their own? Harrrumph! Balderdash! Jeeves. JEEVES WHERE ARE YOU DAMN YOUR EYES! Bring the faiting couch!
 
2014-03-07 01:29:16 AM  
Ex-Texan
Most if not all the auto execs are assholes. I understand the liability portion, but it's their own fault for defining the responsibility on the part of the schools.


Auto execs are to cars are what inbev execs are to beer. They don't see anything about the object they make other then a path to making more money. The objects seen were a liability, and they had to go.
 
2014-03-07 01:29:44 AM  
Yeah but why not arrange to put a few of the rarer ones in a museum and buy the rest back for spare parts or something? Tossing perfectly good cars into the crusher is such a waste especially for vehicles like these.
 
2014-03-07 01:33:45 AM  
I heard the news 2 minutes ago, I haven't moved, yet I've already forgotten where I was. Or what the news was.
 
2014-03-07 01:40:49 AM  
b2theory: D) Avro Arrow killed to protect inferior American planes.

if by "inferior" you mean "actually have the range to do the mission that they were tasked to do", and "cost about 1/6th what the arrow cost" then you're spot on.  There are many good reasons why not one foreign buyer was seriously interested in the Arrow.  News flash: before the canadian conservatives (under the notoriously ANTI-american diefenbaker) cancelled the thing, the liberals had proposed doing the same thing.
 
2014-03-07 01:41:08 AM  
Kind of like when they crushed all the Turbine cars. *sigh*
 
2014-03-07 01:43:26 AM  
No thoughts one way or the other on the Viper via Fiat, but could you imagine the marketing opportunity for GM to donate a Corvette to each of the schools affected?

GM would get to play the good guy coming to the rescue while also playing the "USA! USA!" card trumping the black hats at Fiat.
 
2014-03-07 01:43:27 AM  
Tiny-Penis-World problems.
 
2014-03-07 01:46:27 AM  

Point02GPA: I remember Columbine. It's a shame all those astronauts died.


dude
 
2014-03-07 01:46:41 AM  
Where were you?

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2014-03-07 02:03:06 AM  

Twilight Farkle: [i.imgur.com image 340x530]


You dun goofed. Now I gotta go and watch the MST3K version of "The Last Chase". A difficult task as it hails from the first season...
 
2014-03-07 02:13:55 AM  

Sgeo: UPDATE, no historical value to the cars, part of standard agreement that they only last until they lose educational value, blah blah etc etc.. Sounds like nothing to see here, except the completely valuless original article?




I wouldn't say zero historical value. The local community college's 1992 Viper is #4 off the assembly line, a pre-production SRT, the sole factory hard top manufactured until 1996 and has hardly any miles on the odometer. Apparently it has appraised an value of $250,000

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023057505_vipercrushxml.html

Doesn't get much rarer than that.
 
2014-03-07 02:28:26 AM  

zerkalo: Twilight Farkle: [i.imgur.com image 340x530]

You dun goofed. Now I gotta go and watch the MST3K version of "The Last Chase". A difficult task as it hails from the first season...


Right there with ya, just too lazy to shoop a crusher in place of the fighter at this hour.
 
2014-03-07 02:28:37 AM  
I can remember where I was for the day Reagan was shot, Challenger and Columbia, 9/11, the failed Soviet Coup of 1991,
 
2014-03-07 02:40:00 AM  
parkinglotconfessional.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-07 02:56:26 AM  
First heard it on facebook from  an acquaintance ranting about how they'll never have his service because of what they did to the vipers.  When he has the money to buy the car he wants.  Which he won't have for awhile because of work, money, and health issues. But by golly when he has the money they will never sell him a car.
 
2014-03-07 02:59:33 AM  
Good thing the car manufacturers are so well off financially that they don't have to sell cars anymore.
 
2014-03-07 03:07:36 AM  
Why don't they just give the offending cars Irreparable titles so they can't be registered and driven anymore?
Seems awfully wasteful to just destroy them. Surely they would be useful to someone for something.
 
2014-03-07 03:10:44 AM  

zerkalo: I can remember where I was for the day Reagan was shot, Challenger and Columbia, 9/11, the failed Soviet Coup of 1991,


I remember that. Up way way late watching postings from Russians over usenet.

Point02GPA: I remember Columbine. It's a shame all those astronauts died.


The 4chan is strong in this one.
 
2014-03-07 03:28:48 AM  
FYI: Chrysler recalled and shredded the EV-1 so fast that owners didn't even have time to protest. The EV1 was a magnificent electric car, far ahead of it's time so much that even before gas prices soared to really obnoxious levels, people bought them readily.

Many owners and car collectors offered to outright buy their cars and release Chrysler of any liabilities, but the company, which had leased the cars only, refused and snatched them back with a speed that was unprecedented. At that time, even museums requesting one were denied.

People reported seeing EV1s stacked up in junk yards by the score and being fed through crushers and metal shredders like the hounds of hell were on their butts.

I don't know what the 'defect' was, since what I read never reported any, but Chrysler was willing to absorb millions in losses to destroy the cars rather than hundreds of thousands to fix them.

I also know that, before the recall, a guy invented a radically new type of battery. Feeling that he changed the world, he sold the patent to Chrysler for a few grand. He expected to gain national fame from production, since his battery was far superior to any of the current commercial rechargeable batteries for vehicles that we have today.

Chrysler buried it. The thing never went into production. Efforts on his part to reclaim the patent failed. He lost out on a fat payday from royalties if the battery had gone into production. He was not a happy camper and had been required to sign a non-disclosure agreement. So, he can't even reproduce the designs.

There was a documentary made called 'Who Killed the Electric Car' which discusses the mystery surrounding the sudden and unmatched recall and the refusal of Chrysler to be willing to even leave one car behind or to sell any to try and recoup their tremendous losses.

Even the much maligned Chevy Corvair ('Unsafe At Any Speed') made several efforts to improve the model and correct problems before ceasing production. Chrysler never even attempted to do the same for the EV1.

That also sparked some suspicion among the general public, especially those who drove and loved the EV1.

So, this thing with the Viper is not unusual. Chrysler could have cheaply sold the cars to the schools which have them, releasing them of all liabilities and making a bit of profit. They could also have donated them, ensuring tax credits.

Chrysler seems to have this love affair with metal shredders and crushers.
 
2014-03-07 03:38:08 AM  

Rik01: Feeling that he changed the world, he sold the patent to Chrysler for a few grand.

He was not a happy camper and had been required to sign a non-disclosure agreement. So, he can't even reproduce the designs.


It would be disclosed in the patent. Anybody could examine it.
 
2014-03-07 03:44:43 AM  
I met someone recently who works in a Viper factory where they get to test drive them. All the models until this year would spin out easily. You don't even have to be driving aggressively. This year's models should be fine though.
 
2014-03-07 04:02:06 AM  
It was as if a million guidos cried out... and were suddenly silenced.
 
2014-03-07 04:03:01 AM  

Rik01: FYI: Chrysler recalled and shredded the EV-1 so fast that owners didn't even have time to protest. The EV1 was a magnificent electric car, far ahead of it's time so much that even before gas prices soared to really obnoxious levels, people bought them readily.

Many owners and car collectors offered to outright buy their cars and release Chrysler of any liabilities, but the company, which had leased the cars only, refused and snatched them back with a speed that was unprecedented. At that time, even museums requesting one were denied.

People reported seeing EV1s stacked up in junk yards by the score and being fed through crushers and metal shredders like the hounds of hell were on their butts.

I don't know what the 'defect' was, since what I read never reported any, but Chrysler was willing to absorb millions in losses to destroy the cars rather than hundreds of thousands to fix them.

I also know that, before the recall, a guy invented a radically new type of battery. Feeling that he changed the world, he sold the patent to Chrysler for a few grand. He expected to gain national fame from production, since his battery was far superior to any of the current commercial rechargeable batteries for vehicles that we have today.

Chrysler buried it. The thing never went into production. Efforts on his part to reclaim the patent failed. He lost out on a fat payday from royalties if the battery had gone into production. He was not a happy camper and had been required to sign a non-disclosure agreement. So, he can't even reproduce the designs.

There was a documentary made called 'Who Killed the Electric Car' which discusses the mystery surrounding the sudden and unmatched recall and the refusal of Chrysler to be willing to even leave one car behind or to sell any to try and recoup their tremendous losses.

Even the much maligned Chevy Corvair ('Unsafe At Any Speed') made several efforts to improve the model and correct problems before ceasing production. Chrysler never e ...



Aside from the fact that the EV1 was a GM vehicle, and that GM is not Chrysler, and that the plight of the EV1 has absolutely nothing to do with these Vipers; You're spot on.
 
2014-03-07 04:20:48 AM  
The best day in my life is when JFK got shot.  I thought is was supposed to end unwarranted surveillance of American citizens but, man was I wrong.  At least, me as a citizen have some sort of retribution over the worthless farks death.
 
2014-03-07 05:04:05 AM  
techstyles.com.au

Screw the Viper. I want one of these
 
2014-03-07 06:42:54 AM  
Since these cars are being managed by auto shop departments at these universities, I wouldn't be surprised of one or more of them hits the crusher with a slant-6 and a 904 automatic under the hood instead of the 600+ HP V-10 factory drive train.

Conversely, there will probably be someone cleaning up at street racing in the next town over with a beat-to-shiat "sleeper" Dodge Dart
 
2014-03-07 06:51:52 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: So much power, so little maneuverability.


Like on roads in areas in which the weather forecast indicates rain or snow within the next six months.
 
2014-03-07 07:21:29 AM  
FTFA: "With advancements in automotive technology over the past decade, it is unlikely that these vehicles offer any educational value to students."

Oh come on, I see many cars much older than that on the roads here in Lexington, KY. And somebody has to fix them, and an old lady can't always crawl underneath her old Lincoln in the AutoZone parking lot.

By the way, in '86 I had a 20 year old Dodge Dart. The engine would do 120mph without straining and the back seat was great for farking hookers. You know in it's day it was a small American car?
 
2014-03-07 07:49:31 AM  
-9/11: I was Farking
-Columbine: I was HIGH as a MF'er (it was 4/20 after all)
-Challenger: sitting in the hallway taking a test I missed from the day earlier. The "big kids" in the science class across the hall were watching it in real-time. Being a geek that wanted to go to Space Camp, Iwas watching   through the door instead of taking my test, I can still see the explosion...
 
2014-03-07 07:50:19 AM  

Iczer: Speaker2Animals: School officials say Chrysler told them two of the 93 early Vipers given to schools had been involved in accidents by joyriding students, creating a major liability for Chrysler.

Yeah -- I think crushing them is a good idea.

The joyriding students? I agree.


"You have 30 minutes to move your gelantinous cube"
 
2014-03-07 08:09:25 AM  

Explodo: If you like cars, then it really is a real tragedy.  The Viper is a beast of car and I'll never forget the first time I saw one...and heard it start up.  Chrysler doesn't want them dumped on the market because that would hurt the investment value of the Vipers that were purchased by consumers.  That's the real reason this is happening.  If it weren't for that, lawyers could easily find a way around the liability and make them saleable.


The only one that (positively) should be kept is the prototype hard top. Chrysler should put it in (or donate it to) a museum. You don't trash something like that, even if it is semi-FUBAR - you fix it and put it on display. That will generate interest.
 
2014-03-07 08:27:59 AM  

Speaker2Animals: School officials say Chrysler told them two of the 93 early Vipers given to schools had been involved in accidents by joyriding students, creating a major liability for Chrysler.

Yeah -- I think crushing them is a good idea.


No it's not.  It's not the manufacturers fault if a product is abused.
 
2014-03-07 08:32:10 AM  
It's a Viper, not an Auto Union - I am sure the world will go on.
 
2014-03-07 08:43:16 AM  
It belongs in a museum!

/really? I had to be the first?
 
2014-03-07 08:43:45 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: It's a shame to destroy them.  If they're actually concerned about liability it seems like there would be a way to transfer the titles to the current owners and brand the titles appropriately to discourage resale.


There ARE no titles. Nor are there VINs on these cars in most cases. Cars that are donated like this to educational institutions typically are donated with the intention and expectation that they be destroyed after a set period of time. This is hardly an unusual request, in fact, allowing anything else to happen to a donated vehicle would be unusual. This is what is typically done with all those prototypes and pre- production versions of every car sold- they're given to schools for a few years, then crushed and recycled.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-07 09:07:08 AM  
Manufacturers can't disclaim product liability if their product causes personal injury. A contract waiving claims would not affect third parties in any case. The driver might not sue, but the pedestrian he hit would.

This policy was meant to protect consumers. It means no free car donation, but it also means when you buy a normal car you don't have to sign a contract agreeing the car may explode at any time.

According to internet legend, a similar protective law is the reason thousands of Apple Lisas were sent to a landfill rather than donated to schools. Apple could receive a tax write off if they either (a) destroyed unsold inventory, or (b) donated the computers to schools and provided support comparable to what a purchaser would receive. Support costs more than crushing.
 
2014-03-07 10:21:55 AM  
When i was in HS, we had an old Ford Maverick in the auto shop classroom.

Despite being more than 30 years old, the car -looked- in immaculate condition, and it had less than 10 miles on the odometer... wow!

Until you realized that everything under the hood (and in many other places) had been taken apart & (mostly) put back together by 30 years of highschool students.

Also, it didnt have a real title. Part of the agreement with Ford when it was donated was that it could -never- be made street legal, & the title said as much.

/should i be getting a big kick?
 
2014-03-07 10:22:38 AM  

probesport: It's a Viper, not an Auto Union - I am sure the world will go on.


cause the world would end if the auto union went away?
 
2014-03-07 11:37:35 AM  

boinkingbill: The best day in my life is when JFK got shot.  I thought is was supposed to end unwarranted surveillance of American citizens but, man was I wrong.  At least, me as a citizen have some sort of retribution over the worthless farks death.


You're an ignoramus if you think that started under JFK, got worse because of him, or that the dude who followed him wasn't exponentially worse.
 
2014-03-07 11:54:52 AM  

inner ted: probesport: It's a Viper, not an Auto Union - I am sure the world will go on.

cause the world would end if the auto union went away?


Well Auto Union did go away.
 
2014-03-07 12:03:35 PM  

probesport: inner ted: probesport: It's a Viper, not an Auto Union - I am sure the world will go on.

cause the world would end if the auto union went away?

Well Auto Union did go away.


is Auto Union a band ?  are we talking about the same thing?
 
2014-03-07 12:30:20 PM  
DougTaup

Aside from the fact that the EV1 was a GM vehicle, and that GM is not Chrysler

My error. You're correct. The EV1 was a GM product -- but the similarities in disposing of the two cars are what caught my attention, especially with so many enthusiasts wanting to keep them.
 
2014-03-07 01:12:00 PM  

inner ted: probesport: inner ted: probesport: It's a Viper, not an Auto Union - I am sure the world will go on.

cause the world would end if the auto union went away?

Well Auto Union did go away.

is Auto Union a band ?  are we talking about the same thing?


It was a very important car company to those of us in the car world.
 
2014-03-07 01:27:30 PM  

ZAZ: I don't remember where I was when I heard about Columbine, so I'll go with (B).


I don't remember where I was when that thing happened in New York that we were never supposed to forget.
 
2014-03-07 01:29:45 PM  

probesport: inner ted: probesport: inner ted: probesport: It's a Viper, not an Auto Union - I am sure the world will go on.

cause the world would end if the auto union went away?

Well Auto Union did go away.

is Auto Union a band ?  are we talking about the same thing?

It was a very important car company to those of us in the car world.


Auto Union is/was a car company? what cars / when did they manufacture?
/of course my google is as good as yours but this is more fun
 
2014-03-07 02:15:33 PM  

inner ted: probesport: inner ted: probesport: inner ted: probesport: It's a Viper, not an Auto Union - I am sure the world will go on.

cause the world would end if the auto union went away?

Well Auto Union did go away.

is Auto Union a band ?  are we talking about the same thing?

It was a very important car company to those of us in the car world.

Auto Union is/was a car company? what cars / when did they manufacture?
/of course my google is as good as yours but this is more fun


Auto Union was a union of Audi, Horch, DKW, and Wanderer. The four rings in the Audi corporate symbol are the last remnant from Auto Union. While they existed, though, they built some truly spectacular pre-WWII racing cars known as "Silver Arrows".
 
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