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(Dangerous Minds)   A limited study concludes that LSD helps the depression symptoms of terminally ill patients. No word on how they managed to get through bat country   (dangerousminds.net ) divider line
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2014-03-06 07:56:37 PM  
They didn't stop.  Duh.

/now tell me about the golf shoes
 
2014-03-06 07:57:19 PM  
And ecstasy was originally used in psychoanalysis to give patients greater empathy.
 
2014-03-06 07:57:54 PM  
And to bring down barriers.
 
2014-03-06 07:58:35 PM  
It's not like terminally ill patients have to worry about hurting their brains with long term usage.
 
2014-03-06 07:58:42 PM  
it helped me with my depression and also ended chronic migraines

and have you ever really looked at your hand? I mean really looked at it? It's weird, man. It's weird.
 
2014-03-06 07:58:56 PM  
Oh God I am tripping balls

publications.nigms.nih.gov
 
2014-03-06 08:01:46 PM  
Who would've guessed that altering your perception of reality would alter the way reality affected your mood?
 
2014-03-06 08:02:53 PM  
Based on my own somewhat extensive studies in the late 70's and early 80's I can totally understand this.  In addition to the constant trip smile the drug induced, I always found myself with a refreshed and clear perspective on life the day after
 
2014-03-06 08:06:29 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: And ecstasy was originally used in psychoanalysis to give patients greater empathy.


Huh, never tried that. But I did figure out through experimentation that certain strains of marijuana give me a psuedo-sense of empathy (usually my empathy button is in 'off') or at least giving me a way to understand (if not feel) what might be upsetting or exciting to people who weren't me.

Got a link thar?
 
2014-03-06 08:06:45 PM  
I would think it's a toss up. 50/50 Either you are completely freaking out about your dying self, and what or if is the hereafter, or you are smiling, and digging the thought of your dying body, and full of wonderment about what the next state may hold.
 
2014-03-06 08:07:33 PM  
The last time medical trials used LSD on terminally ill patients was the early 1960s.

Was gonna say this was done decades ago.


Omahawg: it helped me with my depression and also ended chronic migraines

and have you ever really looked at your hand? I mean really looked at it? It's weird, man. It's weird.


25.media.tumblr.com

"Dude, my hands are huuuge. They can touch anything but themselves! Oh, wait.."
 
2014-03-06 08:12:33 PM  
Last time I tried mushrooms as a relatively older human, I kept doing the math of how soon I was going to die.  It wasn't as fun as when I was a young, long-haired, freaky-looking person.
 
2014-03-06 08:15:16 PM  
I think once you hit retirement age, you should be able to legally consume whatever drug you want. You only have a few more decades left, so you can't really damage your body much more than Father Time is already doing, and it could make your last decades more fun. Just don't drive near Farmer's Markets and no harm would really be done.
 
2014-03-06 08:15:21 PM  

jj325: Based on my own somewhat extensive studies in the late 70's and early 80's I can totally understand this.  In addition to the constant trip smile the drug induced, I always found myself with a refreshed and clear perspective on life the day after


I was a bit of the opposite. I always felt like I had seen the Matrix the next day and it never felt quite right. I never had any bad trips with all that I had done, but being back in "reality" wasn't enjoyable.
 
2014-03-06 08:17:42 PM  

Bane of Broone: jj325: Based on my own somewhat extensive studies in the late 70's and early 80's I can totally understand this.  In addition to the constant trip smile the drug induced, I always found myself with a refreshed and clear perspective on life the day after

I was a bit of the opposite. I always felt like I had seen the Matrix the next day and it never felt quite right. I never had any bad trips with all that I had done, but being back in "reality" wasn't enjoyable.


LSD = The Matrix.

Mushrooms = The Lord of the Rings.
 
2014-03-06 08:20:13 PM  
And yet it will continue to be classified under Schedule 1 because reasons.
 
2014-03-06 08:22:31 PM  

jj325: Based on my own somewhat extensive studies in the late 70's and early 80's I can totally understand this.  In addition to the constant trip smile the drug induced, I always found myself with a refreshed and clear perspective on life the day after


Me too.  Only in the early 2000's.
 
2014-03-06 08:24:46 PM  

Mad_Radhu: I think once you hit retirement age, you should be able to legally consume whatever drug you want. You only have a few more decades left, so you can't really damage your body much more than Father Time is already doing, and it could make your last decades more fun. Just don't drive near Farmer's Markets and no harm would really be done.


That's how the Hmong do it. They are big growers and smugglers of opium - but using is off limits for those in their productive years. The elderly, on the other hand, are allowed to sit back and burn a few pipes every day, to soothe the pangs of aging. Seems reasonable.
(Note- the above used to be true - I doubt it is much anymore - the Hmong have probably lost a lot of their tribal identity.)
 
2014-03-06 08:37:11 PM  

Mad_Radhu: I think once you hit retirement age, you should be able to legally consume whatever drug you want. You only have a few more decades left, so you can't really damage your body much more than Father Time is already doing, and it could make your last decades more fun. Just don't drive near Farmer's Markets and no harm would really be done.


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Sheryl: [to Frank] He started snorting heroin.

Frank: [to Grandpa] You started snorting heroin?

Grandpa: [in response to Frank, aimed at Dwayne] Let me tell ya, don't do that stuff. When you're young, you're crazy to do that shiat.

Frank: [to Grandpa] Well what about you?

Grandpa: [to Frank] What about me? I'm old. When you're old you're crazy not to do it.
 
2014-03-06 08:41:25 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Kumana Wanalaia: And ecstasy was originally used in psychoanalysis to give patients greater empathy.

Huh, never tried that. But I did figure out through experimentation that certain strains of marijuana give me a psuedo-sense of empathy (usually my empathy button is in 'off') or at least giving me a way to understand (if not feel) what might be upsetting or exciting to people who weren't me.

Got a link thar?


I read that on paper.


A little googling reveals this page:  http://thedea.org/drughistory.html

containing this passage:

1977: A friend of Shulgin's, psychologist Leo Zeff, begins to prepare for retirement from his practice. While starting to clean out his office of memorabilia, he invites Shulgin over to see if the chemist would like any of the items. Shulgin, in turn, brings him a gift: A small vial of MDMA, and a suggestion that he might find the material worthwhile. Leo, who was experienced with psychoactive drugs and had used them in his practice for some patients, accepted the gift without committing to whether or not he might try it.

Several days later, Shulgin receives a phone call from Leo. He has tried the MDMA. He no longer wants to retire. Instead, he begins to utilize the new drug, first in his own practice, then introducing other therapists to it. The ability of MDMA to help patients overcome emotional barriers was so striking that one psychiatrist dubbed it "penicillin for the soul." When Dr. Zeff passed away years later, his widow estimated that the network of therapists using MDMA had grown to about 4,000.

 
2014-03-06 08:44:46 PM  
Interesting that the low doses tended to increase the feelings of depression.  Could be the amphetamine-like attention to detail, common to those doses, might have promoted further reflection on their illness.  Low doses (60-80 micrograms) administered to subjects tasked to `problem solve' resulted in better than null result (RAND study back in the `50's).

Norway completed a large retrospective study last year (no evidence of increase in mental health problems/some indication of improvement):

Now, still waiting for those flashbacks?  Think you were ripped off?

"In this study, lifetime use of psychedelics and past year use of LSD was not associated with past year symptoms of visual phenomena ("seeing something others could not"), panic attacks, psychosis, or overall serious psychological distress. Thus, our findings does not support either the idea of "flashbacks" described in extreme cases as recurrent psychotic episodes, hallucinations, or panic attacks, or the more recent "hallucinogen persisting perceptual disorder" (HPPD) described as persistent visual phenomena with accompanying anxiety and distress. All of the purported symptoms of HPPD are also present in people who have never used psychedelics.  Occasional visual penomena are common in the general population, especially among people with anxiety"

The complete report:   http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.00 6 3972
 
2014-03-06 08:51:10 PM  
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2014-03-06 08:51:37 PM  
The last time I did acid was at a Max Webster New Year's Eve concert. The girl I was with freaked out and ran away, right in the middle of Here Among the Cats as I recall.

Must've been 30 years ago. I didn't know you could still get acid.
 
2014-03-06 08:52:29 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Bane of Broone: jj325: Based on my own somewhat extensive studies in the late 70's and early 80's I can totally understand this.  In addition to the constant trip smile the drug induced, I always found myself with a refreshed and clear perspective on life the day after

I was a bit of the opposite. I always felt like I had seen the Matrix the next day and it never felt quite right. I never had any bad trips with all that I had done, but being back in "reality" wasn't enjoyable.

LSD = The Matrix.

Mushrooms = The Lord of the Rings.


Word, and I still enjoy going on adventures to this day. Just not as often as I used to. Really REALLY enjoy mushrooms.
 
2014-03-06 08:55:42 PM  
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2014-03-06 08:55:55 PM  
If I was dying anyway, I would do a LOT of drugs.
 
2014-03-06 08:56:02 PM  

jj325: Based on my own somewhat extensive studies in the late 70's and early 80's I can totally understand this.  In addition to the constant trip smile the drug induced, I always found myself with a refreshed and clear perspective on life the day after


Same here. I watched a lot of sunrises as I came down after a hard trip. It was awesome how it would calm me the fark down and get my head on straight. I left a lot of mental baggage from major BS behind in that state of mind.
 
2014-03-06 08:57:31 PM  
that's the way to go .

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2014-03-06 08:58:12 PM  

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2014-03-06 08:58:27 PM  
Flashbacks are not fake. You havent eaten enouch acid if youre refuting their existence. Ive experienced flashbacks personally on several occasions and have close friends and family who have as well.
 
2014-03-06 09:01:04 PM  
Have you ever seen Going Tribal/Tribe? One episode the host goes through a huge hallucinatory ritual (YouTube vid. of episode), and it's darn amazing. The drug is another Schedule I drug, iboga or ibogaine. It is used in addiction treatment.

My point being, that the guided altered mental states may be highly beneficial to people, but of course in the US we'll never know because drugs are bad, just say "No."

I hope that can change.
 
2014-03-06 09:07:27 PM  
It's the rodents of unusual size you really have to worry about.
 
2014-03-06 09:08:16 PM  

D_Evans45: Flashbacks are not fake. You havent eaten enouch acid if youre refuting their existence. Ive experienced flashbacks personally on several occasions and have close friends and family who have as well.


Yup, I get them sometimes. Can't say I have had it really bother me yet though.
 
2014-03-06 09:09:02 PM  
A salt shaker filled with cocaine?
 
2014-03-06 09:20:11 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: I read that on paper.


Oh..well then...

Either way might be something to look into. If it does that to a level minded type person (who probably had heard a lot of shiat as a doc) I really wish to see the effects on a person with PTSD. Or manic episodes. Or both.
 
2014-03-06 09:21:17 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: And to bring down barriers.


It was pretty good at relieving alcoholism, too. Needless to say, it made subversives and other artsy-farty crypto-homos giggle and hoot.

The only people LSD freaked out were CIA agents. Go figure.

/helicopters.
 
2014-03-06 09:23:36 PM  
And then I go and google MDMA/PTSD and get a farkton of results.

Thanks Kumana
 
2014-03-06 09:25:08 PM  
Have you ever watched a movie and only looked at the characters' shoes?  Acid is a kind of stop an smell the purple drug.
 
2014-03-06 09:38:00 PM  

Mister Peejay: They didn't stop.  Duh.

/now tell me about the golf shoes


I would have gone with, "They can't, they won't, and they don't stop."  Just to mix it up a bit.
 
2014-03-06 09:48:56 PM  
Funny, most people who have actually done LSD (myself included) think it's farking wonderful... Yet it's schedule 1.
 
2014-03-06 09:50:29 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Oh God I am tripping balls


That looks almost exactly like the room I'm sitting in now. fark.
 
2014-03-06 09:50:43 PM  

Sublime_Influence: D_Evans45: Flashbacks are not fake...

Yup, I get them sometimes. Can't say I have had it really bother me yet though.


Sublime_Influence: D_Evans45: Flashbacks are not fake. You havent eaten enouch acid if youre refuting their existence. Ive experienced flashbacks personally on several occasions and have close friends and family who have as well.

Yup, I get them sometimes. Can't say I have had it really bother me yet though.



I wouldnt call them bothersome either but if I didnt know what was going on it might be a little unsettling.

My flashbacks are (relatively) faint open eye visuals that I pretty much recognize immediately and I consider them benign, I just hate when it happens in bad occasions like business type meetings or really bad traffic. Ive heard several others describe profound instances of deja vu when they flashback, never experienced it personally but Ive heard it from quite a few people.

/wouldnt trade my cid trips in for the world
//wish everyone could experience a 5 strip and a sunrise at some point in their lives
 
2014-03-06 09:54:42 PM  

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2014-03-06 09:54:46 PM  
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2014-03-06 09:56:40 PM  
lol sorry for the double quote I only have 2 shots in me...

/love hallucinogens when theyre appropriate but I wouldnt personally see them as effective tools for addiction management
//you cant trip everyday like you can with weed or booze, it just doesnt work like that
 
2014-03-06 09:56:44 PM  

CruJones: If I was dying anyway, I would do a LOT of drugs.


You ARE dying, ever since you were born.
/Ever think of that?
 
2014-03-06 10:00:02 PM  
psychedelics are awesome Death Therapy.

when you feel your direct connection with the Absolute,
your own tiny life seems almost laughable.
 
2014-03-06 10:13:44 PM  
Cognitive liberty.  There doesn't have to be a recognized medical use for a substance for it to be my prerogative to ingest it.  My brain, my business.
 
2014-03-06 10:29:58 PM  
I've done plenty of research with this particular substance and can't possibly imagine how this would be good.  I have experienced the full range of emotions; fall out of love, fallen in love, made love, experienced violence, magic... you name it.  Some times were more stressful than others.  Nothing bad, per se... but emotionally intense.   I think each experience gave me to see my challenges from a more Universal perspective.  Each experience left me eager to get back to earth with new found tools for life.  I cannot fathom being returned to a damaged vessel.  Of course, that may change.  I don't think about my own life much anymore... outside of the context of how it relates to how my children will get on after I am gone.  That idea takes up a lot of my free thought.  I am turning 40 this year and it is kind of wigging me out anyway... :)
 
2014-03-06 10:31:04 PM  
Man, I really miss perma grin
 
2014-03-06 10:31:04 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: And ecstasy was originally used in psychoanalysis to give patients greater empathy.


Actually, if sources are to be believed, it was originally a blood clotting agent in the trenches of WWI.
 
2014-03-06 10:38:50 PM  

jtown: Mister Peejay: They didn't stop.  Duh.

/now tell me about the golf shoes

I would have gone with, "They can't, they won't, and they don't stop."  Just to mix it up a bit.


The kupuppamumblethuppitaSURESHOT
 
2014-03-06 10:49:16 PM  
Terminally ill people should be able to take anything that they want, regardless of what farking arsewhole republicans think.
 
2014-03-06 10:49:25 PM  

Omahawg: it helped me with my depression and also ended chronic migraines

and have you ever really looked at your hand? I mean really looked at it? It's weird, man. It's weird.


It made me go to college
 
2014-03-06 10:58:03 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Terminally ill people should be able to take anything that they want, regardless of what farking arsewhole republicans think.


What's the difference between the ill and those who take care of themselves?

Not denying your point, just asking why limit that?
 
2014-03-06 10:59:51 PM  
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/LSD kept me from committing suicide
 
2014-03-06 11:00:39 PM  

fluffy2097: [cdn.pastemagazine.com image 300x442]


Funny you post that image because I just mentioned the Modified Ludavigo in another thread...
 
2014-03-06 11:16:09 PM  

D_Evans45: Flashbacks are not fake. You havent eaten enouch acid if youre refuting their existence. Ive experienced flashbacks personally on several occasions and have close friends and family who have as well.


Not quite sure the length and duration of them.  I hesitate to speak out about prior drug use for fear of glamorizing it, however, the two notable times I had anything like a flashback were these:

1) The first time I did acid.  Took two hits.  Apparently they were very strong.  I spent the most of the trip in a friends apartment.  He had hardwood floors, and I spent most of my time looking at the grains of the wood.  They were obviously moving, breathing, etc, the usual hallucinatory stuff (there were other better things, but I'd rather not go into them).  Days or weeks later, whenever I saw woodgrain, it was still moving, and breathing.  So much so that I laughed for a few minutes at the fact my friends vinyl woodgrain Aries K station wagon was breathing.
2) This time wasn't so laughable.  After taking a healthy dose, and tripping all night on a mountain, I still had hallucinatory effects.  There was a swirling spiral pretty much in the center of my vision for , oh, about a week.  It could have been due to bad, or mis-prepared acid, this was of course, the 90's and good LSD was hard to come by.  I really had a little bit of a freak out about that, but it eventually went away.

I did of course do it a few more times afterwards.

I'd probably advise people away from LSD.  Unless under controlled dosages, under supervised usage, with 100% legit stuff.

\CSB
 
2014-03-06 11:29:14 PM  
I don't know what "enough" acid is but I've never had a flashback. And I did a pretty fair amount in my younger years.

I actually kinda looked forward to them at the time, we'd even joke about getting flashbacks when we were too old to trip anymore. Yet here I am too old to trip and no flashbacks.

/never had a bad trip either
//guess that balances
 
2014-03-06 11:41:45 PM  
I'm too scared of the dark places in my skull to take acid anymore, but I've often self-medicated depression with mushrooms. Just chew a couple and give the world a little extra color, you know. A HELL of a lot better than anti-depressants. Those things are the devil.
 
2014-03-06 11:43:56 PM  
As far as flashbacks go, I hallucinate almost every day. I barely take note of it anymore. Sometimes it gets scary, like in the middle of a bad depression or vodka sick or vertigo or panic attack, but most of the time they are just there. I don't consider those flashbacks, that's just sensory input run amok.
 
2014-03-06 11:46:28 PM  
I don't believe in flashbacks either.
 
2014-03-06 11:48:37 PM  

Kevin Lomax: I don't know what "enough" acid is but I've never had a flashback. And I did a pretty fair amount in my younger years.


I've done enough that I literally lost the plot. Had no idea what was going on in the universe. Pretty epic stuff.

No flashbacks.


/no telling what happens to you when you take fake acid, as it can be any number of chemically similar molecules
 
2014-03-07 12:07:16 AM  
I took enough once that I thought time was coming to an end and couldn't even remember I was on acid. No flashbacks.
 
2014-03-07 01:30:02 AM  
Acid helped me massively with my anxieties. And I understand why. But I feel like I go on and on about it whenever this thread turns up so I'll shut up now before I get started :)
 
2014-03-07 02:46:05 AM  

fluffy2097: Kevin Lomax: I don't know what "enough" acid is but I've never had a flashback. And I did a pretty fair amount in my younger years.

I've done enough that I literally lost the plot. Had no idea what was going on in the universe. Pretty epic stuff.

No flashbacks.

/no telling what happens to you when you take fake acid, as it can be any number of chemically similar molecules


LSD is one of the most potent chemicals known to man. There's no way a tiny piece of blotter paper could absorb enough of anything psychoactive, other than acid, to effect you.  If the acid were fake it wouldn't do anything. That's also why all those stories about LSD adulterated with strychnine are bullshiat.

Also done a ton of it and never had a flashback.
 
2014-03-07 02:53:37 AM  

fusillade762: If the acid were fake it wouldn't do anything

 
Oh dear. I see you've never learned about titration.
 
2014-03-07 03:01:31 AM  
That usdta be so, now they have a few molecules that compete on a mass basis.  I hear there is an isomer that is pretty nice.

Only flashback I ever had was in the late seventies the day after on Thai stick.
 
2014-03-07 03:59:01 AM  
I've come to the conclusion that hallucinogens induce extreme paranoia in me. Mushrooms after two successful trips caused me to have a spat of psychosis for two weeks and still to this day bothers me when I think about it. Pretty much turned me off to all 'drugs'.
 
2014-03-07 04:00:28 AM  

fusillade762: fluffy2097: Kevin Lomax: I don't know what "enough" acid is but I've never had a flashback. And I did a pretty fair amount in my younger years.

I've done enough that I literally lost the plot. Had no idea what was going on in the universe. Pretty epic stuff.

No flashbacks.

/no telling what happens to you when you take fake acid, as it can be any number of chemically similar molecules

LSD is one of the most potent chemicals known to man. There's no way a tiny piece of blotter paper could absorb enough of anything psychoactive, other than acid, to effect you.  If the acid were fake it wouldn't do anything. That's also why all those stories about LSD adulterated with strychnine are bullshiat.

Also done a ton of it and never had a flashback.



That particular urban legend is BS, but there are reasearch chemicals strong enough to go on blotter:
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ci_nbome/2ci_nbome.shtml
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/bromo_dragonfly/bromo_dragonfly.sht ml

It's super dangerous if they're sold as "acid", because large doses are lethal, unlike LSD.  Some of them also take an extremely long time to come on, making it likely that the user will take more if they believe it's just weak acid.  Moral of the story, don't take acid until it's confirmed to be the real deal.
 
2014-03-07 05:06:30 AM  
Orange Sunshine, Brown Mescaline, Blotter Acid, I didn't think that stuff existed anymore! It was Fun 40yrs ago, Now? I don't think I'd touch the stuff. Just go out and get me a 24pack, make that a 30!
 
2014-03-07 06:56:20 AM  

DerpHerder: I've come to the conclusion that hallucinogens induce extreme paranoia in me. Mushrooms after two successful trips caused me to have a spat of psychosis for two weeks and still to this day bothers me when I think about it. Pretty much turned me off to all 'drugs'.


Sounds like you know what works for you! Good!

Drugs are only cool if you enjoy them personally. Otherwise they can be really farking scary. In fact, they can be really farking scary if you enjoy them too.

/Always use substances responsibly
//Never take something if you aren't sure of what it is.
 
2014-03-07 08:23:32 AM  
I understand... See that cloud? It all makes sense. You know, I get it. Everything makes sense...
 
2014-03-07 08:28:50 AM  

fusillade762: fluffy2097: Kevin Lomax: I don't know what "enough" acid is but I've never had a flashback. And I did a pretty fair amount in my younger years.

I've done enough that I literally lost the plot. Had no idea what was going on in the universe. Pretty epic stuff.

No flashbacks.

/no telling what happens to you when you take fake acid, as it can be any number of chemically similar molecules

LSD is one of the most potent chemicals known to man. There's no way a tiny piece of blotter paper could absorb enough of anything psychoactive, other than acid, to effect you.  If the acid were fake it wouldn't do anything. That's also why all those stories about LSD adulterated with strychnine are bullshiat.

Also done a ton of it and never had a flashback.


Your information is decades old. there where lots of blotters going around when I was in high school more than five years ago, none of it was acid. sure they'd tell you it was, it wasn't, it was one of many newly synthesized stimulant hallucinogens. the stuff my friends and I became aware of was widely known to be D.O.D. which is sorta like 2-CB from what I've read only way longer acting and active in much smaller amounts(less than a milligram it'll fit on blotter). this stuff would take 4-6 hours to kick in(longer wait than acid) and would last 12-24+ hours depending on dose. we were warned by the dealer to NEVER take more than three hits, it seemed strange because from what I had known about acid the upper limit was however much it took to make you go crazy not 3 hits dude. by the time I had found out what I was taking I had become comfortably with taking a single hit. Then one day before school I decided to take two hits, then I decided to take two more after second period when the first two started kicking in. How long did I trip for? that's really hard to say, 36 hours? a week? a couple months? the shiat messed me up for a while according to friends I became pretty weird and anti social for a couple of months. but yeah it's not just acid on blotter these days not even mostly, that kind of misinformation will get kids into trouble.
 
2014-03-07 08:45:55 AM  

BackPacksSamurai: 2-CB


That shiat is wacky.
 
2014-03-07 08:47:29 AM  
Good thing it was done in a clinical setting.  Wouldn't want them chasing imaginary butterflies into something highly illegal.
 
2014-03-07 09:36:20 AM  

DerpHerder: I've come to the conclusion that hallucinogens induce extreme paranoia in me. Mushrooms after two successful trips caused me to have a spat of psychosis for two weeks and still to this day bothers me when I think about it. Pretty much turned me off to all 'drugs'.


Not to get too New Agey here, but this is a generally known fact: while most people inclined to drop acid in the first place will have benign and revelatory trips, some people find that whole "my personality is melting!" aspect to induce terror or to set off (perhaps) pre-existing mental issues.

I mean, let's face it: LSD mimics to a degree certain flavours of disassociative psychosis. The funny flavours, as far as I can tell, but that's just me. Feeling my ego turn into steam while I see eternity in a grain of sand, etc. clearly amuses me.

So (and here's the New Agey part), I never gave anyone LSD without acting as a sort of spirit guide or "trip advisor": the vast suggestibility of someone on 'cid means that if you yourself are undosed or lightly dosed, you can (in my experience) help people around any ill-effects or weirdness. But I do agree that hallucinogens are not for everyone. For those whose brain chemistry allows, however, they can lead to literally life-changing insights, as they are the opposite of drunk: memories and thoughts experienced on LSD can be recalled decades later.

That's why you trip in benign and preferably naturalistic settings: you don't want to be overstimulated and you don't want to deal with crosswalks. Food can be problematic, too: I once spent several weeks of subjective time chewing on a ham on rye with a smear of Dijon. Great Caesar's Ghost, that was an epic sammich.

Then there's sex while tripping.

Words fail.
 
2014-03-07 09:49:05 AM  
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2014-03-07 02:24:32 PM  
I've always heard this but I feel like the benefit to the patient may come AFTER the trip??  I know I always came out on the otherside with a better outlook on life (or at least less stressed feeling)

The thing I can't wrap my head around is that acid is a very powerful drug that plays off your emotions/current subconscious at the time of dosage.  In otherwords going in happy and care free made a world of difference in your trip, versus going in on a day where you are depressed and everything is going wrong.  I feel like taking acid, knowing you are dying and knowing you are doing it BECAUSE you are dying would result in a very unpleasant experience.

I took ALOT of acid from age 15 to 22yo.  Especially in the 17-19yo range....alot...alot ALOT ALOT.But I stopped (my use slowed significantly in the latter years) after the last two times because I had bad trips.  Luckily I was so good at handling such high doses that I knew I just had to wait it out.  But even though I knew what was happening to me, it was very very unpleasant.  I think the reason I had those bad trips was because I was in a very bad place in my life, surrounded with lots of death, drugs, addiction and general debotchery. So, ultimately I just couldn't imagine having a terminal illness would be good for setting the stage up for a good trip.

/I mean ALOT!
 
2014-03-07 02:48:10 PM  
I could see how it would help in some cases. Under the right conditions LSD is nothing short of magical. I mean the things that flow in and out of your mind and conscious are true bliss. On the other hand... there is no terror so consuming as a trip gone bad and, like the terminator cliche, no matter how hard you try to fight and shake it off LSD won't stop and won't relent until it's over. Friends have asked me if they should try it and all i tell them is LSD is one of the most powerful and least understood chemicals known to man, it's up to you if you want to ingest it.
 
2014-03-07 02:52:03 PM  

2KanZam: I've always heard this but I feel like the benefit to the patient may come AFTER the trip??  I know I always came out on the otherside with a better outlook on life (or at least less stressed feeling)

The thing I can't wrap my head around is that acid is a very powerful drug that plays off your emotions/current subconscious at the time of dosage.  In otherwords going in happy and care free made a world of difference in your trip, versus going in on a day where you are depressed and everything is going wrong.  I feel like taking acid, knowing you are dying and knowing you are doing it BECAUSE you are dying would result in a very unpleasant experience.

I took ALOT of acid from age 15 to 22yo.  Especially in the 17-19yo range....alot...alot ALOT ALOT.But I stopped (my use slowed significantly in the latter years) after the last two times because I had bad trips.  Luckily I was so good at handling such high doses that I knew I just had to wait it out.  But even though I knew what was happening to me, it was very very unpleasant.  I think the reason I had those bad trips was because I was in a very bad place in my life, surrounded with lots of death, drugs, addiction and general debotchery. So, ultimately I just couldn't imagine having a terminal illness would be good for setting the stage up for a good trip.

/I mean ALOT!


yeah i don't see how going into a trip knowing you were going to die could result in anything but a bad trip. Maybe if you were deeply religious and could trip on what awaits you in the afterlife. maybe...
 
2014-03-07 06:29:00 PM  

CourtroomWolf: fusillade762: fluffy2097: Kevin Lomax: I don't know what "enough" acid is but I've never had a flashback. And I did a pretty fair amount in my younger years.

I've done enough that I literally lost the plot. Had no idea what was going on in the universe. Pretty epic stuff.

No flashbacks.

/no telling what happens to you when you take fake acid, as it can be any number of chemically similar molecules

LSD is one of the most potent chemicals known to man. There's no way a tiny piece of blotter paper could absorb enough of anything psychoactive, other than acid, to effect you.  If the acid were fake it wouldn't do anything. That's also why all those stories about LSD adulterated with strychnine are bullshiat.

Also done a ton of it and never had a flashback.


That particular urban legend is BS, but there are reasearch chemicals strong enough to go on blotter:
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ci_nbome/2ci_nbome.shtml
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/bromo_dragonfly/bromo_dragonfly.sht ml

It's super dangerous if they're sold as "acid", because large doses are lethal, unlike LSD.  Some of them also take an extremely long time to come on, making it likely that the user will take more if they believe it's just weak acid.  Moral of the story, don't take acid until it's confirmed to be the real deal.


Ah, good to know. My drug days are pretty much behind me. I haven't kept up on the newer stuff.
 
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