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(Dangerous Minds)   A limited study concludes that LSD helps the depression symptoms of terminally ill patients. No word on how they managed to get through bat country   (dangerousminds.net) divider line 82
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2014-03-06 10:31:04 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: And ecstasy was originally used in psychoanalysis to give patients greater empathy.


Actually, if sources are to be believed, it was originally a blood clotting agent in the trenches of WWI.
 
2014-03-06 10:38:50 PM  

jtown: Mister Peejay: They didn't stop.  Duh.

/now tell me about the golf shoes

I would have gone with, "They can't, they won't, and they don't stop."  Just to mix it up a bit.


The kupuppamumblethuppitaSURESHOT
 
2014-03-06 10:49:16 PM  
Terminally ill people should be able to take anything that they want, regardless of what farking arsewhole republicans think.
 
2014-03-06 10:49:25 PM  

Omahawg: it helped me with my depression and also ended chronic migraines

and have you ever really looked at your hand? I mean really looked at it? It's weird, man. It's weird.


It made me go to college
 
2014-03-06 10:58:03 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Terminally ill people should be able to take anything that they want, regardless of what farking arsewhole republicans think.


What's the difference between the ill and those who take care of themselves?

Not denying your point, just asking why limit that?
 
2014-03-06 10:59:51 PM  
cdn.pastemagazine.com

/LSD kept me from committing suicide
 
2014-03-06 11:00:39 PM  

fluffy2097: [cdn.pastemagazine.com image 300x442]


Funny you post that image because I just mentioned the Modified Ludavigo in another thread...
 
2014-03-06 11:16:09 PM  

D_Evans45: Flashbacks are not fake. You havent eaten enouch acid if youre refuting their existence. Ive experienced flashbacks personally on several occasions and have close friends and family who have as well.


Not quite sure the length and duration of them.  I hesitate to speak out about prior drug use for fear of glamorizing it, however, the two notable times I had anything like a flashback were these:

1) The first time I did acid.  Took two hits.  Apparently they were very strong.  I spent the most of the trip in a friends apartment.  He had hardwood floors, and I spent most of my time looking at the grains of the wood.  They were obviously moving, breathing, etc, the usual hallucinatory stuff (there were other better things, but I'd rather not go into them).  Days or weeks later, whenever I saw woodgrain, it was still moving, and breathing.  So much so that I laughed for a few minutes at the fact my friends vinyl woodgrain Aries K station wagon was breathing.
2) This time wasn't so laughable.  After taking a healthy dose, and tripping all night on a mountain, I still had hallucinatory effects.  There was a swirling spiral pretty much in the center of my vision for , oh, about a week.  It could have been due to bad, or mis-prepared acid, this was of course, the 90's and good LSD was hard to come by.  I really had a little bit of a freak out about that, but it eventually went away.

I did of course do it a few more times afterwards.

I'd probably advise people away from LSD.  Unless under controlled dosages, under supervised usage, with 100% legit stuff.

\CSB
 
2014-03-06 11:29:14 PM  
I don't know what "enough" acid is but I've never had a flashback. And I did a pretty fair amount in my younger years.

I actually kinda looked forward to them at the time, we'd even joke about getting flashbacks when we were too old to trip anymore. Yet here I am too old to trip and no flashbacks.

/never had a bad trip either
//guess that balances
 
2014-03-06 11:41:45 PM  
I'm too scared of the dark places in my skull to take acid anymore, but I've often self-medicated depression with mushrooms. Just chew a couple and give the world a little extra color, you know. A HELL of a lot better than anti-depressants. Those things are the devil.
 
2014-03-06 11:43:56 PM  
As far as flashbacks go, I hallucinate almost every day. I barely take note of it anymore. Sometimes it gets scary, like in the middle of a bad depression or vodka sick or vertigo or panic attack, but most of the time they are just there. I don't consider those flashbacks, that's just sensory input run amok.
 
2014-03-06 11:46:28 PM  
I don't believe in flashbacks either.
 
2014-03-06 11:48:37 PM  

Kevin Lomax: I don't know what "enough" acid is but I've never had a flashback. And I did a pretty fair amount in my younger years.


I've done enough that I literally lost the plot. Had no idea what was going on in the universe. Pretty epic stuff.

No flashbacks.


/no telling what happens to you when you take fake acid, as it can be any number of chemically similar molecules
 
2014-03-07 12:07:16 AM  
I took enough once that I thought time was coming to an end and couldn't even remember I was on acid. No flashbacks.
 
2014-03-07 01:30:02 AM  
Acid helped me massively with my anxieties. And I understand why. But I feel like I go on and on about it whenever this thread turns up so I'll shut up now before I get started :)
 
2014-03-07 02:46:05 AM  

fluffy2097: Kevin Lomax: I don't know what "enough" acid is but I've never had a flashback. And I did a pretty fair amount in my younger years.

I've done enough that I literally lost the plot. Had no idea what was going on in the universe. Pretty epic stuff.

No flashbacks.

/no telling what happens to you when you take fake acid, as it can be any number of chemically similar molecules


LSD is one of the most potent chemicals known to man. There's no way a tiny piece of blotter paper could absorb enough of anything psychoactive, other than acid, to effect you.  If the acid were fake it wouldn't do anything. That's also why all those stories about LSD adulterated with strychnine are bullshiat.

Also done a ton of it and never had a flashback.
 
2014-03-07 02:53:37 AM  

fusillade762: If the acid were fake it wouldn't do anything

 
Oh dear. I see you've never learned about titration.
 
2014-03-07 03:01:31 AM  
That usdta be so, now they have a few molecules that compete on a mass basis.  I hear there is an isomer that is pretty nice.

Only flashback I ever had was in the late seventies the day after on Thai stick.
 
2014-03-07 03:59:01 AM  
I've come to the conclusion that hallucinogens induce extreme paranoia in me. Mushrooms after two successful trips caused me to have a spat of psychosis for two weeks and still to this day bothers me when I think about it. Pretty much turned me off to all 'drugs'.
 
2014-03-07 04:00:28 AM  

fusillade762: fluffy2097: Kevin Lomax: I don't know what "enough" acid is but I've never had a flashback. And I did a pretty fair amount in my younger years.

I've done enough that I literally lost the plot. Had no idea what was going on in the universe. Pretty epic stuff.

No flashbacks.

/no telling what happens to you when you take fake acid, as it can be any number of chemically similar molecules

LSD is one of the most potent chemicals known to man. There's no way a tiny piece of blotter paper could absorb enough of anything psychoactive, other than acid, to effect you.  If the acid were fake it wouldn't do anything. That's also why all those stories about LSD adulterated with strychnine are bullshiat.

Also done a ton of it and never had a flashback.



That particular urban legend is BS, but there are reasearch chemicals strong enough to go on blotter:
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ci_nbome/2ci_nbome.shtml
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/bromo_dragonfly/bromo_dragonfly.sht ml

It's super dangerous if they're sold as "acid", because large doses are lethal, unlike LSD.  Some of them also take an extremely long time to come on, making it likely that the user will take more if they believe it's just weak acid.  Moral of the story, don't take acid until it's confirmed to be the real deal.
 
2014-03-07 05:06:30 AM  
Orange Sunshine, Brown Mescaline, Blotter Acid, I didn't think that stuff existed anymore! It was Fun 40yrs ago, Now? I don't think I'd touch the stuff. Just go out and get me a 24pack, make that a 30!
 
2014-03-07 06:56:20 AM  

DerpHerder: I've come to the conclusion that hallucinogens induce extreme paranoia in me. Mushrooms after two successful trips caused me to have a spat of psychosis for two weeks and still to this day bothers me when I think about it. Pretty much turned me off to all 'drugs'.


Sounds like you know what works for you! Good!

Drugs are only cool if you enjoy them personally. Otherwise they can be really farking scary. In fact, they can be really farking scary if you enjoy them too.

/Always use substances responsibly
//Never take something if you aren't sure of what it is.
 
2014-03-07 08:23:32 AM  
I understand... See that cloud? It all makes sense. You know, I get it. Everything makes sense...
 
2014-03-07 08:28:50 AM  

fusillade762: fluffy2097: Kevin Lomax: I don't know what "enough" acid is but I've never had a flashback. And I did a pretty fair amount in my younger years.

I've done enough that I literally lost the plot. Had no idea what was going on in the universe. Pretty epic stuff.

No flashbacks.

/no telling what happens to you when you take fake acid, as it can be any number of chemically similar molecules

LSD is one of the most potent chemicals known to man. There's no way a tiny piece of blotter paper could absorb enough of anything psychoactive, other than acid, to effect you.  If the acid were fake it wouldn't do anything. That's also why all those stories about LSD adulterated with strychnine are bullshiat.

Also done a ton of it and never had a flashback.


Your information is decades old. there where lots of blotters going around when I was in high school more than five years ago, none of it was acid. sure they'd tell you it was, it wasn't, it was one of many newly synthesized stimulant hallucinogens. the stuff my friends and I became aware of was widely known to be D.O.D. which is sorta like 2-CB from what I've read only way longer acting and active in much smaller amounts(less than a milligram it'll fit on blotter). this stuff would take 4-6 hours to kick in(longer wait than acid) and would last 12-24+ hours depending on dose. we were warned by the dealer to NEVER take more than three hits, it seemed strange because from what I had known about acid the upper limit was however much it took to make you go crazy not 3 hits dude. by the time I had found out what I was taking I had become comfortably with taking a single hit. Then one day before school I decided to take two hits, then I decided to take two more after second period when the first two started kicking in. How long did I trip for? that's really hard to say, 36 hours? a week? a couple months? the shiat messed me up for a while according to friends I became pretty weird and anti social for a couple of months. but yeah it's not just acid on blotter these days not even mostly, that kind of misinformation will get kids into trouble.
 
2014-03-07 08:45:55 AM  

BackPacksSamurai: 2-CB


That shiat is wacky.
 
2014-03-07 08:47:29 AM  
Good thing it was done in a clinical setting.  Wouldn't want them chasing imaginary butterflies into something highly illegal.
 
2014-03-07 09:36:20 AM  

DerpHerder: I've come to the conclusion that hallucinogens induce extreme paranoia in me. Mushrooms after two successful trips caused me to have a spat of psychosis for two weeks and still to this day bothers me when I think about it. Pretty much turned me off to all 'drugs'.


Not to get too New Agey here, but this is a generally known fact: while most people inclined to drop acid in the first place will have benign and revelatory trips, some people find that whole "my personality is melting!" aspect to induce terror or to set off (perhaps) pre-existing mental issues.

I mean, let's face it: LSD mimics to a degree certain flavours of disassociative psychosis. The funny flavours, as far as I can tell, but that's just me. Feeling my ego turn into steam while I see eternity in a grain of sand, etc. clearly amuses me.

So (and here's the New Agey part), I never gave anyone LSD without acting as a sort of spirit guide or "trip advisor": the vast suggestibility of someone on 'cid means that if you yourself are undosed or lightly dosed, you can (in my experience) help people around any ill-effects or weirdness. But I do agree that hallucinogens are not for everyone. For those whose brain chemistry allows, however, they can lead to literally life-changing insights, as they are the opposite of drunk: memories and thoughts experienced on LSD can be recalled decades later.

That's why you trip in benign and preferably naturalistic settings: you don't want to be overstimulated and you don't want to deal with crosswalks. Food can be problematic, too: I once spent several weeks of subjective time chewing on a ham on rye with a smear of Dijon. Great Caesar's Ghost, that was an epic sammich.

Then there's sex while tripping.

Words fail.
 
2014-03-07 09:49:05 AM  
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2014-03-07 02:24:32 PM  
I've always heard this but I feel like the benefit to the patient may come AFTER the trip??  I know I always came out on the otherside with a better outlook on life (or at least less stressed feeling)

The thing I can't wrap my head around is that acid is a very powerful drug that plays off your emotions/current subconscious at the time of dosage.  In otherwords going in happy and care free made a world of difference in your trip, versus going in on a day where you are depressed and everything is going wrong.  I feel like taking acid, knowing you are dying and knowing you are doing it BECAUSE you are dying would result in a very unpleasant experience.

I took ALOT of acid from age 15 to 22yo.  Especially in the 17-19yo range....alot...alot ALOT ALOT.But I stopped (my use slowed significantly in the latter years) after the last two times because I had bad trips.  Luckily I was so good at handling such high doses that I knew I just had to wait it out.  But even though I knew what was happening to me, it was very very unpleasant.  I think the reason I had those bad trips was because I was in a very bad place in my life, surrounded with lots of death, drugs, addiction and general debotchery. So, ultimately I just couldn't imagine having a terminal illness would be good for setting the stage up for a good trip.

/I mean ALOT!
 
2014-03-07 02:48:10 PM  
I could see how it would help in some cases. Under the right conditions LSD is nothing short of magical. I mean the things that flow in and out of your mind and conscious are true bliss. On the other hand... there is no terror so consuming as a trip gone bad and, like the terminator cliche, no matter how hard you try to fight and shake it off LSD won't stop and won't relent until it's over. Friends have asked me if they should try it and all i tell them is LSD is one of the most powerful and least understood chemicals known to man, it's up to you if you want to ingest it.
 
2014-03-07 02:52:03 PM  

2KanZam: I've always heard this but I feel like the benefit to the patient may come AFTER the trip??  I know I always came out on the otherside with a better outlook on life (or at least less stressed feeling)

The thing I can't wrap my head around is that acid is a very powerful drug that plays off your emotions/current subconscious at the time of dosage.  In otherwords going in happy and care free made a world of difference in your trip, versus going in on a day where you are depressed and everything is going wrong.  I feel like taking acid, knowing you are dying and knowing you are doing it BECAUSE you are dying would result in a very unpleasant experience.

I took ALOT of acid from age 15 to 22yo.  Especially in the 17-19yo range....alot...alot ALOT ALOT.But I stopped (my use slowed significantly in the latter years) after the last two times because I had bad trips.  Luckily I was so good at handling such high doses that I knew I just had to wait it out.  But even though I knew what was happening to me, it was very very unpleasant.  I think the reason I had those bad trips was because I was in a very bad place in my life, surrounded with lots of death, drugs, addiction and general debotchery. So, ultimately I just couldn't imagine having a terminal illness would be good for setting the stage up for a good trip.

/I mean ALOT!


yeah i don't see how going into a trip knowing you were going to die could result in anything but a bad trip. Maybe if you were deeply religious and could trip on what awaits you in the afterlife. maybe...
 
2014-03-07 06:29:00 PM  

CourtroomWolf: fusillade762: fluffy2097: Kevin Lomax: I don't know what "enough" acid is but I've never had a flashback. And I did a pretty fair amount in my younger years.

I've done enough that I literally lost the plot. Had no idea what was going on in the universe. Pretty epic stuff.

No flashbacks.

/no telling what happens to you when you take fake acid, as it can be any number of chemically similar molecules

LSD is one of the most potent chemicals known to man. There's no way a tiny piece of blotter paper could absorb enough of anything psychoactive, other than acid, to effect you.  If the acid were fake it wouldn't do anything. That's also why all those stories about LSD adulterated with strychnine are bullshiat.

Also done a ton of it and never had a flashback.


That particular urban legend is BS, but there are reasearch chemicals strong enough to go on blotter:
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ci_nbome/2ci_nbome.shtml
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/bromo_dragonfly/bromo_dragonfly.sht ml

It's super dangerous if they're sold as "acid", because large doses are lethal, unlike LSD.  Some of them also take an extremely long time to come on, making it likely that the user will take more if they believe it's just weak acid.  Moral of the story, don't take acid until it's confirmed to be the real deal.


Ah, good to know. My drug days are pretty much behind me. I haven't kept up on the newer stuff.
 
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