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(Dangerous Minds)   A limited study concludes that LSD helps the depression symptoms of terminally ill patients. No word on how they managed to get through bat country   (dangerousminds.net) divider line 82
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2014-03-06 07:56:37 PM
They didn't stop.  Duh.

/now tell me about the golf shoes
 
2014-03-06 07:57:19 PM
And ecstasy was originally used in psychoanalysis to give patients greater empathy.
 
2014-03-06 07:57:54 PM
And to bring down barriers.
 
2014-03-06 07:58:35 PM
It's not like terminally ill patients have to worry about hurting their brains with long term usage.
 
2014-03-06 07:58:42 PM
it helped me with my depression and also ended chronic migraines

and have you ever really looked at your hand? I mean really looked at it? It's weird, man. It's weird.
 
2014-03-06 07:58:56 PM
Oh God I am tripping balls

publications.nigms.nih.gov
 
2014-03-06 08:01:46 PM
Who would've guessed that altering your perception of reality would alter the way reality affected your mood?
 
2014-03-06 08:02:53 PM
Based on my own somewhat extensive studies in the late 70's and early 80's I can totally understand this.  In addition to the constant trip smile the drug induced, I always found myself with a refreshed and clear perspective on life the day after
 
2014-03-06 08:06:29 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: And ecstasy was originally used in psychoanalysis to give patients greater empathy.


Huh, never tried that. But I did figure out through experimentation that certain strains of marijuana give me a psuedo-sense of empathy (usually my empathy button is in 'off') or at least giving me a way to understand (if not feel) what might be upsetting or exciting to people who weren't me.

Got a link thar?
 
2014-03-06 08:06:45 PM
I would think it's a toss up. 50/50 Either you are completely freaking out about your dying self, and what or if is the hereafter, or you are smiling, and digging the thought of your dying body, and full of wonderment about what the next state may hold.
 
2014-03-06 08:07:33 PM
The last time medical trials used LSD on terminally ill patients was the early 1960s.

Was gonna say this was done decades ago.


Omahawg: it helped me with my depression and also ended chronic migraines

and have you ever really looked at your hand? I mean really looked at it? It's weird, man. It's weird.


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"Dude, my hands are huuuge. They can touch anything but themselves! Oh, wait.."
 
2014-03-06 08:12:33 PM
Last time I tried mushrooms as a relatively older human, I kept doing the math of how soon I was going to die.  It wasn't as fun as when I was a young, long-haired, freaky-looking person.
 
2014-03-06 08:15:16 PM
I think once you hit retirement age, you should be able to legally consume whatever drug you want. You only have a few more decades left, so you can't really damage your body much more than Father Time is already doing, and it could make your last decades more fun. Just don't drive near Farmer's Markets and no harm would really be done.
 
2014-03-06 08:15:21 PM

jj325: Based on my own somewhat extensive studies in the late 70's and early 80's I can totally understand this.  In addition to the constant trip smile the drug induced, I always found myself with a refreshed and clear perspective on life the day after


I was a bit of the opposite. I always felt like I had seen the Matrix the next day and it never felt quite right. I never had any bad trips with all that I had done, but being back in "reality" wasn't enjoyable.
 
2014-03-06 08:17:42 PM

Bane of Broone: jj325: Based on my own somewhat extensive studies in the late 70's and early 80's I can totally understand this.  In addition to the constant trip smile the drug induced, I always found myself with a refreshed and clear perspective on life the day after

I was a bit of the opposite. I always felt like I had seen the Matrix the next day and it never felt quite right. I never had any bad trips with all that I had done, but being back in "reality" wasn't enjoyable.


LSD = The Matrix.

Mushrooms = The Lord of the Rings.
 
2014-03-06 08:20:13 PM
And yet it will continue to be classified under Schedule 1 because reasons.
 
2014-03-06 08:22:31 PM

jj325: Based on my own somewhat extensive studies in the late 70's and early 80's I can totally understand this.  In addition to the constant trip smile the drug induced, I always found myself with a refreshed and clear perspective on life the day after


Me too.  Only in the early 2000's.
 
2014-03-06 08:24:46 PM

Mad_Radhu: I think once you hit retirement age, you should be able to legally consume whatever drug you want. You only have a few more decades left, so you can't really damage your body much more than Father Time is already doing, and it could make your last decades more fun. Just don't drive near Farmer's Markets and no harm would really be done.


That's how the Hmong do it. They are big growers and smugglers of opium - but using is off limits for those in their productive years. The elderly, on the other hand, are allowed to sit back and burn a few pipes every day, to soothe the pangs of aging. Seems reasonable.
(Note- the above used to be true - I doubt it is much anymore - the Hmong have probably lost a lot of their tribal identity.)
 
2014-03-06 08:37:11 PM

Mad_Radhu: I think once you hit retirement age, you should be able to legally consume whatever drug you want. You only have a few more decades left, so you can't really damage your body much more than Father Time is already doing, and it could make your last decades more fun. Just don't drive near Farmer's Markets and no harm would really be done.


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Sheryl: [to Frank] He started snorting heroin.

Frank: [to Grandpa] You started snorting heroin?

Grandpa: [in response to Frank, aimed at Dwayne] Let me tell ya, don't do that stuff. When you're young, you're crazy to do that shiat.

Frank: [to Grandpa] Well what about you?

Grandpa: [to Frank] What about me? I'm old. When you're old you're crazy not to do it.
 
2014-03-06 08:41:25 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Kumana Wanalaia: And ecstasy was originally used in psychoanalysis to give patients greater empathy.

Huh, never tried that. But I did figure out through experimentation that certain strains of marijuana give me a psuedo-sense of empathy (usually my empathy button is in 'off') or at least giving me a way to understand (if not feel) what might be upsetting or exciting to people who weren't me.

Got a link thar?


I read that on paper.


A little googling reveals this page:  http://thedea.org/drughistory.html

containing this passage:

1977: A friend of Shulgin's, psychologist Leo Zeff, begins to prepare for retirement from his practice. While starting to clean out his office of memorabilia, he invites Shulgin over to see if the chemist would like any of the items. Shulgin, in turn, brings him a gift: A small vial of MDMA, and a suggestion that he might find the material worthwhile. Leo, who was experienced with psychoactive drugs and had used them in his practice for some patients, accepted the gift without committing to whether or not he might try it.

Several days later, Shulgin receives a phone call from Leo. He has tried the MDMA. He no longer wants to retire. Instead, he begins to utilize the new drug, first in his own practice, then introducing other therapists to it. The ability of MDMA to help patients overcome emotional barriers was so striking that one psychiatrist dubbed it "penicillin for the soul." When Dr. Zeff passed away years later, his widow estimated that the network of therapists using MDMA had grown to about 4,000.

 
2014-03-06 08:44:46 PM
Interesting that the low doses tended to increase the feelings of depression.  Could be the amphetamine-like attention to detail, common to those doses, might have promoted further reflection on their illness.  Low doses (60-80 micrograms) administered to subjects tasked to `problem solve' resulted in better than null result (RAND study back in the `50's).

Norway completed a large retrospective study last year (no evidence of increase in mental health problems/some indication of improvement):

Now, still waiting for those flashbacks?  Think you were ripped off?

"In this study, lifetime use of psychedelics and past year use of LSD was not associated with past year symptoms of visual phenomena ("seeing something others could not"), panic attacks, psychosis, or overall serious psychological distress. Thus, our findings does not support either the idea of "flashbacks" described in extreme cases as recurrent psychotic episodes, hallucinations, or panic attacks, or the more recent "hallucinogen persisting perceptual disorder" (HPPD) described as persistent visual phenomena with accompanying anxiety and distress. All of the purported symptoms of HPPD are also present in people who have never used psychedelics.  Occasional visual penomena are common in the general population, especially among people with anxiety"

The complete report:   http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.00 6 3972
 
2014-03-06 08:51:10 PM
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2014-03-06 08:51:37 PM
The last time I did acid was at a Max Webster New Year's Eve concert. The girl I was with freaked out and ran away, right in the middle of Here Among the Cats as I recall.

Must've been 30 years ago. I didn't know you could still get acid.
 
2014-03-06 08:52:29 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Bane of Broone: jj325: Based on my own somewhat extensive studies in the late 70's and early 80's I can totally understand this.  In addition to the constant trip smile the drug induced, I always found myself with a refreshed and clear perspective on life the day after

I was a bit of the opposite. I always felt like I had seen the Matrix the next day and it never felt quite right. I never had any bad trips with all that I had done, but being back in "reality" wasn't enjoyable.

LSD = The Matrix.

Mushrooms = The Lord of the Rings.


Word, and I still enjoy going on adventures to this day. Just not as often as I used to. Really REALLY enjoy mushrooms.
 
2014-03-06 08:55:42 PM
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2014-03-06 08:55:55 PM
If I was dying anyway, I would do a LOT of drugs.
 
2014-03-06 08:56:02 PM

jj325: Based on my own somewhat extensive studies in the late 70's and early 80's I can totally understand this.  In addition to the constant trip smile the drug induced, I always found myself with a refreshed and clear perspective on life the day after


Same here. I watched a lot of sunrises as I came down after a hard trip. It was awesome how it would calm me the fark down and get my head on straight. I left a lot of mental baggage from major BS behind in that state of mind.
 
2014-03-06 08:57:31 PM
that's the way to go .

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2014-03-06 08:58:12 PM

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2014-03-06 08:58:27 PM
Flashbacks are not fake. You havent eaten enouch acid if youre refuting their existence. Ive experienced flashbacks personally on several occasions and have close friends and family who have as well.
 
2014-03-06 09:01:04 PM
Have you ever seen Going Tribal/Tribe? One episode the host goes through a huge hallucinatory ritual (YouTube vid. of episode), and it's darn amazing. The drug is another Schedule I drug, iboga or ibogaine. It is used in addiction treatment.

My point being, that the guided altered mental states may be highly beneficial to people, but of course in the US we'll never know because drugs are bad, just say "No."

I hope that can change.
 
2014-03-06 09:07:27 PM
It's the rodents of unusual size you really have to worry about.
 
2014-03-06 09:08:16 PM

D_Evans45: Flashbacks are not fake. You havent eaten enouch acid if youre refuting their existence. Ive experienced flashbacks personally on several occasions and have close friends and family who have as well.


Yup, I get them sometimes. Can't say I have had it really bother me yet though.
 
2014-03-06 09:09:02 PM
A salt shaker filled with cocaine?
 
2014-03-06 09:20:11 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: I read that on paper.


Oh..well then...

Either way might be something to look into. If it does that to a level minded type person (who probably had heard a lot of shiat as a doc) I really wish to see the effects on a person with PTSD. Or manic episodes. Or both.
 
2014-03-06 09:21:17 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: And to bring down barriers.


It was pretty good at relieving alcoholism, too. Needless to say, it made subversives and other artsy-farty crypto-homos giggle and hoot.

The only people LSD freaked out were CIA agents. Go figure.

/helicopters.
 
2014-03-06 09:23:36 PM
And then I go and google MDMA/PTSD and get a farkton of results.

Thanks Kumana
 
2014-03-06 09:25:08 PM
Have you ever watched a movie and only looked at the characters' shoes?  Acid is a kind of stop an smell the purple drug.
 
2014-03-06 09:38:00 PM

Mister Peejay: They didn't stop.  Duh.

/now tell me about the golf shoes


I would have gone with, "They can't, they won't, and they don't stop."  Just to mix it up a bit.
 
2014-03-06 09:48:56 PM
Funny, most people who have actually done LSD (myself included) think it's farking wonderful... Yet it's schedule 1.
 
2014-03-06 09:50:29 PM

NuttierThanEver: Oh God I am tripping balls


That looks almost exactly like the room I'm sitting in now. fark.
 
2014-03-06 09:50:43 PM

Sublime_Influence: D_Evans45: Flashbacks are not fake...

Yup, I get them sometimes. Can't say I have had it really bother me yet though.


Sublime_Influence: D_Evans45: Flashbacks are not fake. You havent eaten enouch acid if youre refuting their existence. Ive experienced flashbacks personally on several occasions and have close friends and family who have as well.

Yup, I get them sometimes. Can't say I have had it really bother me yet though.



I wouldnt call them bothersome either but if I didnt know what was going on it might be a little unsettling.

My flashbacks are (relatively) faint open eye visuals that I pretty much recognize immediately and I consider them benign, I just hate when it happens in bad occasions like business type meetings or really bad traffic. Ive heard several others describe profound instances of deja vu when they flashback, never experienced it personally but Ive heard it from quite a few people.

/wouldnt trade my cid trips in for the world
//wish everyone could experience a 5 strip and a sunrise at some point in their lives
 
2014-03-06 09:54:42 PM

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2014-03-06 09:54:46 PM
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2014-03-06 09:56:40 PM
lol sorry for the double quote I only have 2 shots in me...

/love hallucinogens when theyre appropriate but I wouldnt personally see them as effective tools for addiction management
//you cant trip everyday like you can with weed or booze, it just doesnt work like that
 
2014-03-06 09:56:44 PM

CruJones: If I was dying anyway, I would do a LOT of drugs.


You ARE dying, ever since you were born.
/Ever think of that?
 
2014-03-06 10:00:02 PM
psychedelics are awesome Death Therapy.

when you feel your direct connection with the Absolute,
your own tiny life seems almost laughable.
 
2014-03-06 10:13:44 PM
Cognitive liberty.  There doesn't have to be a recognized medical use for a substance for it to be my prerogative to ingest it.  My brain, my business.
 
2014-03-06 10:29:58 PM
I've done plenty of research with this particular substance and can't possibly imagine how this would be good.  I have experienced the full range of emotions; fall out of love, fallen in love, made love, experienced violence, magic... you name it.  Some times were more stressful than others.  Nothing bad, per se... but emotionally intense.   I think each experience gave me to see my challenges from a more Universal perspective.  Each experience left me eager to get back to earth with new found tools for life.  I cannot fathom being returned to a damaged vessel.  Of course, that may change.  I don't think about my own life much anymore... outside of the context of how it relates to how my children will get on after I am gone.  That idea takes up a lot of my free thought.  I am turning 40 this year and it is kind of wigging me out anyway... :)
 
2014-03-06 10:31:04 PM
Man, I really miss perma grin
 
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