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2014-03-06 08:32:55 PM
Subby, this may shock you, but when you turn on America's Most Wanted, the crimes you're watching playing out in front of you are not actually happening. They're being re-enacted by actors. In your mind, does the fact that a murder is being re-enacted after it happened make it less of a murder? Like, because there are now actors pretending to get murdered, there never was someone getting murdered in the first place? Or raped? Do you think that actors pretending to rape each other negates the actual rape that they're re-enacting?

Why would you think that? That's stupid, subby, and I don't want to think you're a stupid person. Murders and rapes really happen, and sometimes actors re-enact them on America's Most Wanted, and you know what? They still happened. Do you not care about murders and rapes? Are you that sort of person?

No, of course not that sort of person. You're a human being with human compassion. You're just a little thick, is all. And so here, now, you're watching a re-enactment of a preacher who's in his church, defending his faith, just preaching in his churches and loving Jesus, and suddenly the back doors open and a line of stony faced lesbians walk in and they arrest him right as the choir starts to sing. And since you weren't there to see it, people are re-enacting it, and here you are thinking oh-so-smugly, "oh, this is being re-enacted by actors, it's nothing to worry about."

Tell that to the innocent man who was murdered, subby. Tell that to the woman who was raped. And maybe you'll think before you speak next time.
 
2014-03-06 08:52:32 PM
I'm sure the fact that this would get on the Internet and be taken out of context never, ever crossed their minds.  I'll be very surprised if this footage doesn't show up in all kinds of religious propaganda, from evangelists to Republican ads.

Sermon: "For God I live - For God I DIE!"

OK.  Call me when they have the deputies shoot them to prove their faith.
 
2014-03-06 09:04:33 PM
To me fair, 99% of crimes are committed by Christians right?
 
2014-03-06 09:06:19 PM
I'm genuinely shocked there wasn't an immediate appeal for "bail money"
 
2014-03-06 09:09:03 PM
Sheriff Steve Barry says his deputies took part in the mock arrests Sunday at a couple churches around Akron after the pastors approached his office and asked it to participate.

Um...why?
 
2014-03-06 09:34:33 PM

miss diminutive: Sheriff Steve Barry says his deputies took part in the mock arrests Sunday at a couple churches around Akron after the pastors approached his office and asked it to participate.

Um...why?


Great question! I have a better one. Why isn't Sheriff Steve Barry not being placed on leave? This can't possibly be considered official business.
 
2014-03-06 09:37:25 PM
This sounds like this bullshiat thing that some Pentecostal churches were doing in the 80s. They'd have a youth prayer meeting in the church and then some of the church elders in disguise as government agents with their faces covered with balaclavas would burst into the church with weapons drawn saying it was a raid and that they were under arrest for believing in a false god. They'd stage beating up some of the leaders (who were obviously in on it) and then would do things like take the kids out of the room one by one at gun point and when getting them alone threatening them to either renounce Christ or die.

The idea was to 1) teach them what it was like in the olden days when Christians were persecuted by the Romans and 2) scare them shirtless about what was going to happen to them if they were left behind when the rapture happened and 3) find out which ones were willing to renounce Jesus in order to not be shot.

Thankfully the Pentecostal church I went to wasn't that batshirt crazy. They just kept showing us Armageddon themed snuff flicks about what was going to happen "any day now" when Jesus came back to destroy the world.

Scared the living crap out of me when I was younger but eventually it started me thinking "why is it if a guy says to a girl 'love and worship me or I will subject you to a world of pain and horror' it's abuse but if and omnipotent being does it to a mere mortal it's the act of an all loving and all merciful god?"

Thus began my journey from gnostic theist to agnostic theist to agnostic atheist.
 
2014-03-06 10:00:28 PM
Don't tase me Lord!
 
2014-03-06 10:05:56 PM
They must be wanting the real thing really desperately if they decide they are stuck with faking a little of it to get that unique thrill.
 
2014-03-06 10:16:18 PM
SOON
seventy7.com
 
2014-03-06 10:18:38 PM
Pocket Ninja: [snip]

You never disappoint, sir.
 
2014-03-06 10:19:04 PM
It's a bit depressing that the sheriff didn't recognize that this would be used as political propaganda.

And by 'a bit', I mean 'monstrously'.
 
2014-03-06 10:19:38 PM
The sheriffs should have dressed as Romans and arrived with a hammer and really big nails.
 
2014-03-06 10:20:46 PM
Help, we're being oppressed?
 
2014-03-06 10:21:44 PM
You mean the conservative right-wing Christians  lied?
 
2014-03-06 10:22:06 PM
Religious people are weird...
 
2014-03-06 10:23:06 PM

whatshisname: The sheriffs should have dressed as Romans and arrived with a hammer and really big nails.


I can imagine the scene. At the dead of night, a group of roman-dressed cop shows up, knocks the door out, kicks the family dog while the lesser cops yell at the wife and kids to lay on the ground. And at that time, they grab the guy by the hair, drag him outside to the front yard of an otherwise perfectly normal house, put him in front of the porch, and start asking their gestapo-like questions:

"What's this, then? "Romanes eunt domus"? People called Romanes, they go, the house!?"
 
2014-03-06 10:23:27 PM
If I were a taxpayer within the venue that is served by this sheriff's department, I would be annoyed.
How is spending my money on this crap justified?
 
2014-03-06 10:24:01 PM
Or, and I'm just speculating....

This wasn't supposed to get online, and it was meant as a "defending faith" series (as was stated in the article.) Then, some young guy who was probably running the sound board at the church got the bright idea to share this great series on the church website and youtube.

"Hey, what could possibly go wrong?" He thought. "More people aught to see this."

Well, then someone had a problem with it. There's always someone who has a problem with it.

I blame the gays. I always blame the gays.
 
2014-03-06 10:26:33 PM

CygnusDarius: whatshisname: The sheriffs should have dressed as Romans and arrived with a hammer and really big nails.

I can imagine the scene. At the dead of night, a group of roman-dressed cop shows up, knocks the door out, kicks the family dog while the lesser cops yell at the wife and kids to lay on the ground. And at that time, they grab the guy by the hair, drag him outside to the front yard of an otherwise perfectly normal house, put him in front of the porch, and start asking their gestapo-like questions:

"What's this, then? "Romanes eunt domus"? People called Romanes, they go, the house!?"


It says "Romans go home."
 
2014-03-06 10:26:46 PM

Pocket Ninja: Subby, this may shock you, but when you turn on America's Most Wanted, the crimes you're watching playing out in front of you are not actually happening. They're being re-enacted by actors. In your mind, does the fact that a murder is being re-enacted after it happened make it less of a murder? Like, because there are now actors pretending to get murdered, there never was someone getting murdered in the first place? Or raped? Do you think that actors pretending to rape each other negates the actual rape that they're re-enacting?

Why would you think that? That's stupid, subby, and I don't want to think you're a stupid person. Murders and rapes really happen, and sometimes actors re-enact them on America's Most Wanted, and you know what? They still happened. Do you not care about murders and rapes? Are you that sort of person?

No, of course not that sort of person. You're a human being with human compassion. You're just a little thick, is all. And so here, now, you're watching a re-enactment of a preacher who's in his church, defending his faith, just preaching in his churches and loving Jesus, and suddenly the back doors open and a line of stony faced lesbians walk in and they arrest him right as the choir starts to sing. And since you weren't there to see it, people are re-enacting it, and here you are thinking oh-so-smugly, "oh, this is being re-enacted by actors, it's nothing to worry about."

Tell that to the innocent man who was murdered, subby. Tell that to the woman who was raped. And maybe you'll think before you speak next time.


Well, you just pooped all over this thread. With wonderful rainbow poop, of course.
 
2014-03-06 10:26:48 PM

Prey4reign: Don't tase me Lord!


Tase the Lord!
 
2014-03-06 10:27:41 PM

Bondith: CygnusDarius: whatshisname: The sheriffs should have dressed as Romans and arrived with a hammer and really big nails.

I can imagine the scene. At the dead of night, a group of roman-dressed cop shows up, knocks the door out, kicks the family dog while the lesser cops yell at the wife and kids to lay on the ground. And at that time, they grab the guy by the hair, drag him outside to the front yard of an otherwise perfectly normal house, put him in front of the porch, and start asking their gestapo-like questions:

"What's this, then? "Romanes eunt domus"? People called Romanes, they go, the house!?"

It says "Romans go home."


No it doesn't ! What's the latin for "Roman"? Come on, come on !
 
2014-03-06 10:27:57 PM

jso2897: If I were a taxpayer within the venue that is served by this sheriff's department, I would be annoyed.
How is spending my money on this crap justified?


Looks like an IRS issue now, doesn't it?
 
2014-03-06 10:29:23 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: I'm sure the fact that this would get on the Internet and be taken out of context never, ever crossed their minds.  I'll be very surprised if this footage doesn't show up in all kinds of religious propaganda, from evangelists to Republican ads.

Sermon: "For God I live - For God I DIE!"

OK.  Call me when they have the deputies shoot them to prove their faith.


I foresee a whole lot of FW: FW: RE: FW: RE: FW: LOOK WHAT OBAMAS DOING NOW emails in the future.
 
2014-03-06 10:29:36 PM
Also why is an authority of the state using state funds, equipment, and manpower to take part in a religious activity. Seems like a bit of a first amendment conflict there.
 
2014-03-06 10:31:21 PM
Which reinforces my belief more gullible than the congregation is the pastors who are doing this for their good. Seriously, bearing false witness anyone?
 
2014-03-06 10:31:22 PM
They should fire every on duty cop that took part in this cluster fark idea.
 
2014-03-06 10:32:40 PM
That was very strange. Obviously, the participation by the sheriff's department is odd in itself, but I'm unclear as to whether the congregation knew this was just a weird demonstration or were supposed to be unsure about the reality of what was transpiring. Either way is equally bizarre, to me. If the former, what was the point? "Christians may be persecuted by the government, and with the help of the government, we're going to show you what it might look like?" If the latter, what...you didn't wear your martyr shoes that day? All around, weirdness.
 
2014-03-06 10:32:52 PM
"SOON"

Yeah, you're just looking for a reason.
 
2014-03-06 10:33:16 PM
Ghastly: Scared the living crap out of me when I was younger but eventually it started me thinking "why is it if a guy says to a girl 'love and worship me or I will subject you to a world of pain and horror' it's abuse but if and omnipotent being does it to a mere mortal it's the act of an all loving and all merciful god?"

Suddenly you make much more sense to me.

/former fundie myself
//don't worry, I died again
 
2014-03-06 10:35:54 PM

Pocket Ninja: Subby, this may shock you, but when you turn on America's Most Wanted, the crimes you're watching playing out in front of you are not actually happening. They're being re-enacted by actors. In your mind, does the fact that a murder is being re-enacted after it happened make it less of a murder? Like, because there are now actors pretending to get murdered, there never was someone getting murdered in the first place? Or raped? Do you think that actors pretending to rape each other negates the actual rape that they're re-enacting?

Why would you think that? That's stupid, subby, and I don't want to think you're a stupid person. Murders and rapes really happen, and sometimes actors re-enact them on America's Most Wanted, and you know what? They still happened. Do you not care about murders and rapes? Are you that sort of person?

No, of course not that sort of person. You're a human being with human compassion. You're just a little thick, is all. And so here, now, you're watching a re-enactment of a preacher who's in his church, defending his faith, just preaching in his churches and loving Jesus, and suddenly the back doors open and a line of stony faced lesbians walk in and they arrest him right as the choir starts to sing. And since you weren't there to see it, people are re-enacting it, and here you are thinking oh-so-smugly, "oh, this is being re-enacted by actors, it's nothing to worry about."

Tell that to the innocent man who was murdered, subby. Tell that to the woman who was raped. And maybe you'll think before you speak next time.


Wow... that's just... Ok, you win.
 
2014-03-06 10:39:09 PM

Prey4reign: Don't tase me Lord!



Aaaaaaand we are done here. Well played.
 
2014-03-06 10:42:24 PM

Pocket Ninja: Subby, this may shock you, but when you turn on America's Most Wanted, the crimes you're watching playing out in front of you are not actually happening. They're being re-enacted by actors. In your mind, does the fact that a murder is being re-enacted after it happened make it less of a murder? Like, because there are now actors pretending to get murdered, there never was someone getting murdered in the first place? Or raped? Do you think that actors pretending to rape each other negates the actual rape that they're re-enacting?

Why would you think that? That's stupid, subby, and I don't want to think you're a stupid person. Murders and rapes really happen, and sometimes actors re-enact them on America's Most Wanted, and you know what? They still happened. Do you not care about murders and rapes? Are you that sort of person?

No, of course not that sort of person. You're a human being with human compassion. You're just a little thick, is all. And so here, now, you're watching a re-enactment of a preacher who's in his church, defending his faith, just preaching in his churches and loving Jesus, and suddenly the back doors open and a line of stony faced lesbians walk in and they arrest him right as the choir starts to sing. And since you weren't there to see it, people are re-enacting it, and here you are thinking oh-so-smugly, "oh, this is being re-enacted by actors, it's nothing to worry about."

Tell that to the innocent man who was murdered, subby. Tell that to the woman who was raped. And maybe you'll think before you speak next time.


wtf did I just read. Seriously halfway through that I questioned wether or not I had recently done drugs, I haven't.
 
2014-03-06 10:43:17 PM

Facetious_Speciest: That was very strange. Obviously, the participation by the sheriff's department is odd in itself, but I'm unclear as to whether the congregation knew this was just a weird demonstration or were supposed to be unsure about the reality of what was transpiring. Either way is equally bizarre, to me. If the former, what was the point? "Christians may be persecuted by the government, and with the help of the government, we're going to show you what it might look like?" If the latter, what...you didn't wear your martyr shoes that day? All around, weirdness.


Agreed, This whole story is just strange.

Either way, the Sheriff should have taken a few seconds to rub some brains cells together before agreeing to this nonsense. Even then, he's apparently more upset about the fact that the congregation didn't announce that the whole thing was staged rather than being upset about the image created by having his police officers involved in the first place.

Then again, he doesn't exactly look like a deep thinker:

www.akron.com
 
2014-03-06 10:43:52 PM
So it's about as real as all the other Christian persecution in the US.
 
2014-03-06 10:45:10 PM

poxic: Ghastly: Scared the living crap out of me when I was younger but eventually it started me thinking "why is it if a guy says to a girl 'love and worship me or I will subject you to a world of pain and horror' it's abuse but if and omnipotent being does it to a mere mortal it's the act of an all loving and all merciful god?"

Suddenly you make much more sense to me.

/former fundie myself
//don't worry, I died again


I think you're both missing the point. We're all in "a world of pain and horror" anyway. I'm assuming you can see that around you, or around the world. We're called to make it better. We were the ones who screwed it up. He's the one who paid the ultimate price.

Imagine it this way. You get caught messing around with your bosses wife. He finds out. The dude's pissed. You've just gone done it. He's about to throw your rear to the curb. Then, here comes Bob, your cubicle neighbor. Bob runs up to pissed off bossman and tells him it was his idea and he paid money so that he could watch, (or something like that.) So, instead of you getting in trouble, Bob gets the boot.

That's what Jesus did for you. And I'd say he's not actually Bob, watching you doink your bosses wife, but actually, he is. So, yeah. Be careful.
 
2014-03-06 10:46:07 PM
OK, this is kind of graphic for the squeamish libs out there

http://www.evbapt.org/images/christian-persecution-poster.jpg
 
2014-03-06 10:48:23 PM

papatex: Imagine it this way. You get caught messing around with your bosses wife. He finds out. The dude's pissed. You've just gone done it. He's about to throw your rear to the curb. Then, here comes Bob, your cubicle neighbor. Bob runs up to pissed off bossman and tells him it was his idea and he paid money so that he could watch, (or something like that.) So, instead of you getting in trouble, Bob gets the boot.

That's what Jesus did for you. And I'd say he's not actually Bob, watching you doink your bosses wife, but actually, he is. So, yeah. Be careful.


Ceiling Jesus is watching you fornicate.
 
2014-03-06 10:50:04 PM

Fart_Machine: papatex: Imagine it this way. You get caught messing around with your bosses wife. He finds out. The dude's pissed. You've just gone done it. He's about to throw your rear to the curb. Then, here comes Bob, your cubicle neighbor. Bob runs up to pissed off bossman and tells him it was his idea and he paid money so that he could watch, (or something like that.) So, instead of you getting in trouble, Bob gets the boot.

That's what Jesus did for you. And I'd say he's not actually Bob, watching you doink your bosses wife, but actually, he is. So, yeah. Be careful.

Ceiling Jesus is watching you fornicate.

Or masterbate, in most farkers worlds.

 
2014-03-06 10:50:31 PM

miss diminutive: Sheriff Steve Barry says his deputies took part in the mock arrests Sunday at a couple churches around Akron after the pastors approached his office and asked it to participate.

Um...why?


Because lies have power. Christians aren't in any way being oppressed in America (actually, some Christians are doing their best to try and oppress everyone else) but the lie that they are has the power to keep some chained with fear to the "right" version of the faith and opposing everything else.
 
2014-03-06 10:50:35 PM
Police are working with churches to produce propaganda?
 
2014-03-06 10:51:16 PM
papatex

Imagine it this way. You get caught messing around with your bosses wife. He finds out. The dude's pissed. You've just gone done it. He's about to throw your rear to the curb. Then, here comes Bob, your cubicle neighbor. Bob runs up to pissed off bossman and tells him it was his idea and he paid money so that he could watch, (or something like that.) So, instead of you getting in trouble, Bob gets the boot.

But Bob is the boss, right? So basically, he arranged the entire thing so he could flagellate himself over your banging his wife just so he could tell you he really saved your ass, there...from himself...

Bob the boss has issues, man.
 
2014-03-06 10:51:55 PM

Your Hind Brain: jso2897: If I were a taxpayer within the venue that is served by this sheriff's department, I would be annoyed.
How is spending my money on this crap justified?

Looks like an IRS issue now, doesn't it?


You're Goddamn right, bub. As if it wasn'y bad enough that my precious tax dollars go to every manner of sponge, grifter, bum, highbinder, scallawag, reprobate, parasite, and erotic cake designer under the sun - but now they expect me to foot the bill for the Centurions in their own private passion play?
Damn booger eaters.
 
2014-03-06 10:52:18 PM

Brick-House: OK, this is kind of graphic for the squeamish libs out there

http://www.evbapt.org/images/christian-persecution-poster.jpg


Meh.  It's a good start.
 
2014-03-06 10:52:25 PM

Brick-House: OK, this is kind of graphic for the squeamish libs out there

http://www.evbapt.org/images/christian-persecution-poster.jpg


That could be any of the major religions in certain parts of the world.

The pastors want to know what real persecution is like?  Go to a part of the world where it is still dangerous, instead of posing with Barney Fife.
 
2014-03-06 10:52:34 PM
I used to think "Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!" was so funny because no sane person would should that...years later I sigh deeply and continue to drink myself to an early grave.
 
2014-03-06 10:53:07 PM
I'm just surprised I saw reasonable comments on a Fox site.
 
2014-03-06 10:53:20 PM

papatex: Fart_Machine: papatex: Imagine it this way. You get caught messing around with your bosses wife. He finds out. The dude's pissed. You've just gone done it. He's about to throw your rear to the curb. Then, here comes Bob, your cubicle neighbor. Bob runs up to pissed off bossman and tells him it was his idea and he paid money so that he could watch, (or something like that.) So, instead of you getting in trouble, Bob gets the boot.

That's what Jesus did for you. And I'd say he's not actually Bob, watching you doink your bosses wife, but actually, he is. So, yeah. Be careful.

Ceiling Jesus is watching you fornicate.

Or masterbate, in most farkers worlds.


Remember - We can't spell "masturbate" without "u".
 
2014-03-06 10:53:25 PM

Brick-House: OK, this is kind of graphic for the squeamish libs out there

http://www.evbapt.org/images/christian-persecution-poster.jpg


And where in America did that happen? Because those totally look like blue jeans wearing Americans. Totes.
 
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