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(New York Magazine)   How four members of different gangs led a supermax prison hunger strike that got 30,000 men behind them--without ever leaving solitary confinement   (nymag.com) divider line 94
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2014-03-06 09:04:58 PM  
Mikey ain't eatin it
 
2014-03-06 09:08:34 PM  
I'm all for humane treatment of prisoners, but if a bunch of guys sentenced to super max want to stop eating until they die, I don't really have a problem with that.
 
2014-03-06 09:11:01 PM  
If the US started to reform their prison system in the next ways:

1.- Remove the private part of the prisons entirely
2.- Work on actual reformation rather than locking away people
3.- Heavy observation on basic human rights
4.- Improve the living conditions on the prisons (see Sweden)
5.- Give them new identities for them to start over (This one may be optional, but we all know many businesses won't take ex-cons for work).

How different would things turn out to be?.
 
2014-03-06 09:12:04 PM  
30,000 men behind you in prison?

Um, normally that doesn't work out well.
 
2014-03-06 09:13:45 PM  

CygnusDarius: If the US started to reform their prison system in the next ways:

1.- Remove the private part of the prisons entirely
2.- Work on actual reformation rather than locking away people
3.- Heavy observation on basic human rights
4.- Improve the living conditions on the prisons (see Sweden)
5.- Give them new identities for them to start over (This one may be optional, but we all know many businesses won't take ex-cons for work).

How different would things turn out to be?.


As long as they all move onto your block when they get out I'm fine with it.
 
2014-03-06 09:14:26 PM  

CygnusDarius: If the US started to reform their prison system in the next ways:

1.- Remove the private part of the prisons entirely
2.- Work on actual reformation rather than locking away people
3.- Heavy observation on basic human rights
4.- Improve the living conditions on the prisons (see Sweden)
5.- Give them new identities for them to start over (This one may be optional, but we all know many businesses won't take ex-cons for work).

How different would things turn out to be?.


"Work on reformation'? You do realize of course, to be reformed they have to *want* to reform otherwise you're not going to get through to them etc etc.

Unless you're suggesting a Modified Ludovico style 'reformation'.

I'm completely down with that.
 
2014-03-06 09:15:43 PM  

wichitaleaf: CygnusDarius: If the US started to reform their prison system in the next ways:

1.- Remove the private part of the prisons entirely
2.- Work on actual reformation rather than locking away people
3.- Heavy observation on basic human rights
4.- Improve the living conditions on the prisons (see Sweden)
5.- Give them new identities for them to start over (This one may be optional, but we all know many businesses won't take ex-cons for work).

How different would things turn out to be?.

As long as they all move onto your block when they get out I'm fine with it.


NIMBI? Ok, let's ditch the golf courses.
 
2014-03-06 09:17:05 PM  
I do not see what problem Super Max prisons solve.
 
2014-03-06 09:18:30 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: "Work on reformation'? You do realize of course, to be reformed they have to *want* to reform otherwise you're not going to get through to them etc etc.

Unless you're suggesting a Modified Ludovico style 'reformation'.

I'm completely down with that.


I have this crazy idea that, if you treat someone as an animal for a good deal of time, don't act surprised when they react as such.

I think all people deserve a chance, to be honest.
 
2014-03-06 09:21:07 PM  

CygnusDarius: If the US started to reform their prison system in the next ways:

1.- Remove the private part of the prisons entirely
2.- Work on actual reformation rather than locking away people
3.- Heavy observation on basic human rights
4.- Improve the living conditions on the prisons (see Sweden)
5.- Give them new identities for them to start over (This one may be optional, but we all know many businesses won't take ex-cons for work).

How different would things turn out to be?.


We shouldn't be sending our criminals to resorts. They committed a crime. Plus, these guys are the absolute worst of the worst.

These guys are murders, pedophiles, serial killers, sociopaths and violent serial rapists. These guys proved, on many occasions, that they can not interact with people. They got put into segregation cells for a reason. They can't be fixed and no amount of therapy will help.
 
2014-03-06 09:22:20 PM  

CygnusDarius: Capo Del Bandito: "Work on reformation'? You do realize of course, to be reformed they have to *want* to reform otherwise you're not going to get through to them etc etc.

Unless you're suggesting a Modified Ludovico style 'reformation'.

I'm completely down with that.

I have this crazy idea that, if you treat someone as an animal for a good deal of time, don't act surprised when they react as such.

I think all people deserve a chance, to be honest.


They weren't born in prison. They all had and blew that chance.
 
2014-03-06 09:26:32 PM  
Hey, that reminds me: when does the new season of Orange is the New Black start?
 
2014-03-06 09:29:29 PM  
Boo farking hoo. These aren't people who made a mistake- these are sub-human animals. They don't suffer enough.
 
2014-03-06 09:31:35 PM  
I have no sympathy with these people - but i just want them locked up where they won't bother anybody - not tortured. Supermax was understood to be something of an experiment when it was conceived - it may be time to admit that the experiment has failed.
Regular prisons are just fine - and a lot cheaper.
 
2014-03-06 09:32:30 PM  

iheartscotch: CygnusDarius: If the US started to reform their prison system in the next ways:

1.- Remove the private part of the prisons entirely
2.- Work on actual reformation rather than locking away people
3.- Heavy observation on basic human rights
4.- Improve the living conditions on the prisons (see Sweden)
5.- Give them new identities for them to start over (This one may be optional, but we all know many businesses won't take ex-cons for work).

How different would things turn out to be?.

We shouldn't be sending our criminals to resorts. They committed a crime. Plus, these guys are the absolute worst of the worst.

These guys are murders, pedophiles, serial killers, sociopaths and violent serial rapists. These guys proved, on many occasions, that they can not interact with people. They got put into segregation cells for a reason. They can't be fixed and no amount of therapy will help.


you think that, but there are a lot of people in supermax for some bs, like the guy spotlighted in this article.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/solitary-confinement-sha ne -bauer
 
2014-03-06 09:33:01 PM  

iheartscotch: These guys are murders, pedophiles, serial killers, sociopaths and violent serial rapists. These guys proved, on many occasions, that they can not interact with people. They got put into segregation cells for a reason. They can't be fixed and no amount of therapy will help.


Has the US even tried actual reformation?.

big pig peaches: They weren't born in prison. They all had and blew that chance.


Well let's see... Broken home, crime-riddled neighborhood, public school system riddled with all sorts of problems, most of them are rejected from college and such because of reasons, unable to relocate because of costs, unable to get a decent job because of lack of reference or discrimination. Yes, they weren't born in prison, but the environment around them sure molded them that way.

Improvement of distribution of wealth and improvement on education might help reduce crime, and therefore stop the creation of gangs, and less prisons.

I'm not belittling the fact that they are criminals, and certain crimes are just to unforgivable, but... Well, now that I think of it, and improvement on the health, public education, and urban development would be a bigger step and reducing crime.

So there.
 
2014-03-06 09:33:38 PM  

iheartscotch: CygnusDarius: If the US started to reform their prison system in the next ways:

1.- Remove the private part of the prisons entirely
2.- Work on actual reformation rather than locking away people
3.- Heavy observation on basic human rights
4.- Improve the living conditions on the prisons (see Sweden)
5.- Give them new identities for them to start over (This one may be optional, but we all know many businesses won't take ex-cons for work).

How different would things turn out to be?.

We shouldn't be sending our criminals to resorts. They committed a crime. Plus, these guys are the absolute worst of the worst.

These guys are murders, pedophiles, serial killers, sociopaths and violent serial rapists. These guys proved, on many occasions, that they can not interact with people. They got put into segregation cells for a reason. They can't be fixed and no amount of therapy will help.


Other countries don't have super max, have people who do terrible things, and have lower recidivism rates than the USA.  Your prison system is broken.
 
2014-03-06 09:33:56 PM  

Starshines: I'm all for humane treatment of prisoners, but if a bunch of guys sentenced to super max want to stop eating until they die, I don't really have a problem with that.


Yeah I dont understand why its a problem either. Wouldnt the cheapest and easiest way to deal with it be to just let them starve themselves? Most will start eating once they see they are not getting attention.
 
2014-03-06 09:34:11 PM  
CygnusDarius: I'm not belittling the fact that they are criminals, and certain crimes are just to unforgivable, but... Well, now that I think of it, and improvement on the health, public education, and urban development would be a bigger step and on reducing crime.

So there.


FTFM.
 
2014-03-06 09:34:17 PM  

CygnusDarius: I have this crazy idea that, if you treat someone as an animal for a good deal of time, don't act surprised when they react as such.

I think all people deserve a chance, to be honest.


That's all well and good but with your overabundance of empathy and naivete it shows you've got an abundance of Empathy that comes from living in a 1st World.

It's all well and good, and people should have hopes and dreams.

But when dealing with hardened criminals (and Sweden is a very very small scale compared to the US therefor the criminals and how they react would be a LOT different, all sorts of things like statistics and facts get in the way thar) if you 'show weakness' they will prey upon you and/or kill you.

Not saying we should beat prisoners but it is a punishment (and a failed deterrent) but trying to 'reform' them all is about as effective as trying to bring most religious folks, or even commoners, out of their day to day superstitions on things like colds, history, etc. It's a great idea, but in a wide scale form of use, it'd break down, quickly. There are way too many variables to blanket them all in 'treat them nice and reform them'.

You should visit some maximum security prisons sometime. Interview the folks, that sorta thing, or at the very least, read interviews, studies, SOMETHING besides the 'being nice will help things!'.

Throw some science and study up into that biatch.
 
2014-03-06 09:37:42 PM  

CygnusDarius: iheartscotch: These guys are murders, pedophiles, serial killers, sociopaths and violent serial rapists. These guys proved, on many occasions, that they can not interact with people. They got put into segregation cells for a reason. They can't be fixed and no amount of therapy will help.

Has the US even tried actual reformation?.

big pig peaches: They weren't born in prison. They all had and blew that chance.

Well let's see... Broken home, crime-riddled neighborhood, public school system riddled with all sorts of problems, most of them are rejected from college and such because of reasons, unable to relocate because of costs, unable to get a decent job because of lack of reference or discrimination. Yes, they weren't born in prison, but the environment around them sure molded them that way.

Improvement of distribution of wealth and improvement on education might help reduce crime, and therefore stop the creation of gangs, and less prisons.

I'm not belittling the fact that they are criminals, and certain crimes are just to unforgivable, but... Well, now that I think of it, and improvement on the health, public education, and urban development would be a bigger step and reducing crime.

So there.


Most people who grow up under the same condition don't end up in a supermax.

The empathy you feel is as foreign to them as their lack of empathy is to you.
 
2014-03-06 09:37:45 PM  

CygnusDarius: Well let's see... Broken home, crime-riddled neighborhood, public school system riddled with all sorts of problems, most of them are rejected from college and such because of reasons, unable to relocate because of costs, unable to get a decent job because of lack of reference or discrimination. Yes, they weren't born in prison, but the environment around them sure molded them that way.

Improvement of distribution of wealth and improvement on education might help reduce crime, and therefore stop the creation of gangs, and less prisons.

I'm not belittling the fact that they are criminals, and certain crimes are just to unforgivable, but... Well, now that I think of it, and improvement on the health, public education, and urban development would be a bigger step and reducing crime.

So there.


Ok you show a severe lack of understanding sociology and psychology.

The fact that you believe 'spreading the wealth' will reduce gangs and crime shows you don't even get the basic fundamentals of why people commit crimes like that.

It's not to 'survive' it's for shiats and giggles.

Insert: "Jesus Christ Lana, read a book!"
 
2014-03-06 09:40:49 PM  

ELKAY: iheartscotch: CygnusDarius: If the US started to reform their prison system in the next ways:

1.- Remove the private part of the prisons entirely
2.- Work on actual reformation rather than locking away people
3.- Heavy observation on basic human rights
4.- Improve the living conditions on the prisons (see Sweden)
5.- Give them new identities for them to start over (This one may be optional, but we all know many businesses won't take ex-cons for work).

How different would things turn out to be?.

We shouldn't be sending our criminals to resorts. They committed a crime. Plus, these guys are the absolute worst of the worst.

These guys are murders, pedophiles, serial killers, sociopaths and violent serial rapists. These guys proved, on many occasions, that they can not interact with people. They got put into segregation cells for a reason. They can't be fixed and no amount of therapy will help.

you think that, but there are a lot of people in supermax for some bs, like the guy spotlighted in this article.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/solitary-confinement-sha ne -bauer


I imagine that there are many places in the world where you get to hang out in a supermax segregation cell, without a trial. But, none of those places are in the United States. (Guantanamo is in Cuba) These guys got a trial.

Then, most of them, proceeded to commit more crimes to get them put into segregation cells. The only ones who started out in segregation were the kiddie fiddlers; and they get put there for their own safety. If they were to be put in gen pop; they'd be dead in two weeks.

/ in my opinion; we treat kiddie fiddlers too well; hang 'em and hang 'em high
 
2014-03-06 09:42:16 PM  

CygnusDarius: wichitaleaf: CygnusDarius: If the US started to reform their prison system in the next ways:

1.- Remove the private part of the prisons entirely
2.- Work on actual reformation rather than locking away people
3.- Heavy observation on basic human rights
4.- Improve the living conditions on the prisons (see Sweden)
5.- Give them new identities for them to start over (This one may be optional, but we all know many businesses won't take ex-cons for work).

How different would things turn out to be?.

As long as they all move onto your block when they get out I'm fine with it.

NIMBI? Ok, let's ditch the golf courses.


My back yard is a golf course, so I am getting a kick.
 
2014-03-06 09:43:51 PM  
CygnusDarius: I have this crazy idea that, if you treat someone as an animal for a good deal of time, don't act surprised when they react as such.

I think all people deserve a chance, to be honest.


Well, they had a chance. And they acted like monsters. So, they ended up in cages. It's real easy to get sentimental about these predators when in they're in cages in SuperMax prisons. I realize they're Hottie McHotHots to their advocates. But when they get out, or get their hands on guards or other prisoners, well... they're not quite as cute.
 
2014-03-06 09:44:35 PM  
Sounds like there's a need for soundproofed cells.
 
2014-03-06 09:47:12 PM  
Why not execute them?  All 30k of them?

Seems like it would solve a lot of issues.  And free up some room for the potheads.
 
2014-03-06 09:47:34 PM  

rattchett: iheartscotch: CygnusDarius: If the US started to reform their prison system in the next ways:

1.- Remove the private part of the prisons entirely
2.- Work on actual reformation rather than locking away people
3.- Heavy observation on basic human rights
4.- Improve the living conditions on the prisons (see Sweden)
5.- Give them new identities for them to start over (This one may be optional, but we all know many businesses won't take ex-cons for work).

How different would things turn out to be?.

We shouldn't be sending our criminals to resorts. They committed a crime. Plus, these guys are the absolute worst of the worst.

These guys are murders, pedophiles, serial killers, sociopaths and violent serial rapists. These guys proved, on many occasions, that they can not interact with people. They got put into segregation cells for a reason. They can't be fixed and no amount of therapy will help.

Other countries don't have super max, have people who do terrible things, and have lower recidivism rates than the USA.  Your prison system is broken.


Our country has several times the population as some other countries; and recidivism rate is due to our prisons being vacation spots. Give 'em 19 years hard labor for stealing a loaf of bread; that'll learn 'em!

/ we can give all of those guys the number 24601
 
2014-03-06 09:48:35 PM  
From the beginning, even the most basic matters about the strike-what Ashker and the others were after, why so many people joined them, what the strike demonstrated-were opaque, and profoundly disputed.

So this was like the OWS of hunger strikes?
 
2014-03-06 09:51:04 PM  

CygnusDarius: Improvement of distribution of wealth... might help reduce crime...


People will stop stealing if the government does their stealing for them?

img3.wikia.nocookie.net

Why not just repeal the law against stealing?
 
2014-03-06 09:53:45 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: That's all well and good but with your overabundance of empathy and naivete it shows you've got an abundance of Empathy that comes from living in a 1st World.


Actually, I live in Mexico. In Sonora, to be exact.
 
2014-03-06 09:56:41 PM  

iheartscotch: ELKAY: iheartscotch: CygnusDarius: If the US started to reform their prison system in the next ways:

1.- Remove the private part of the prisons entirely
2.- Work on actual reformation rather than locking away people
3.- Heavy observation on basic human rights
4.- Improve the living conditions on the prisons (see Sweden)
5.- Give them new identities for them to start over (This one may be optional, but we all know many businesses won't take ex-cons for work).

How different would things turn out to be?.

We shouldn't be sending our criminals to resorts. They committed a crime. Plus, these guys are the absolute worst of the worst.

These guys are murders, pedophiles, serial killers, sociopaths and violent serial rapists. These guys proved, on many occasions, that they can not interact with people. They got put into segregation cells for a reason. They can't be fixed and no amount of therapy will help.

you think that, but there are a lot of people in supermax for some bs, like the guy spotlighted in this article.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/solitary-confinement-sha ne -bauer

I imagine that there are many places in the world where you get to hang out in a supermax segregation cell, without a trial. But, none of those places are in the United States. (Guantanamo is in Cuba) These guys got a trial.

Then, most of them, proceeded to commit more crimes to get them put into segregation cells. The only ones who started out in segregation were the kiddie fiddlers; and they get put there for their own safety. If they were to be put in gen pop; they'd be dead in two weeks.

/ in my opinion; we treat kiddie fiddlers too well; hang 'em and hang 'em high


i don't think you read the article, most of it is about an american prisoner who had an almost perfect prison record who was sent to segregation for years for having an interest in black leftist literature.
 
2014-03-06 09:58:33 PM  

CygnusDarius: Capo Del Bandito: That's all well and good but with your overabundance of empathy and naivete it shows you've got an abundance of Empathy that comes from living in a 1st World.

Actually, I live in Mexico. In Sonora, to be exact.


are you on the lam or something?
 
2014-03-06 09:59:33 PM  

CygnusDarius: Capo Del Bandito: "Work on reformation'? You do realize of course, to be reformed they have to *want* to reform otherwise you're not going to get through to them etc etc.

Unless you're suggesting a Modified Ludovico style 'reformation'.

I'm completely down with that.

I have this crazy idea that, if you treat someone as an animal for a good deal of time, don't act surprised when they react as such.

I think all people deserve a chance, to be honest.


Really? I'm as liberal as they come. These guys are farking maniacs. They are dyed in the wool killers. I have no sympathy for any of them.
 
2014-03-06 10:00:44 PM  

Robin Hoodie: CygnusDarius: Capo Del Bandito: That's all well and good but with your overabundance of empathy and naivete it shows you've got an abundance of Empathy that comes from living in a 1st World.

Actually, I live in Mexico. In Sonora, to be exact.

are you on the lam or something?


Care to elaborate?.
 
2014-03-06 10:00:45 PM  
Why can't we outsource them to China?
 
2014-03-06 10:01:03 PM  

CygnusDarius: Actually, I live in Mexico. In Sonora, to be exact.


Try living in a former USSR state or South Africa.

You got drug runners, we have whites and blacks killing each other with machetes and farking hippos that will fark your shiat up.

Mexico (parts of it) could be considered 3rd world, just like parts of the US.

Call me back when widespread genocide is going on, or an entire town is cut off from other parts of the country because one race wants to kill the other.

Until then, you're a spoiled first worlder.
 
2014-03-06 10:06:09 PM  
I'm reasonably liberal, but you're a fool if you think you can turn some of these monsters into anything but what they are.

Lock them up forever and throw away the key.

The watchkeeper that needs reforms if the court system, with the goal of better separating the monsters from the ones that can reform.
 
2014-03-06 10:06:28 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: CygnusDarius: Actually, I live in Mexico. In Sonora, to be exact.

Try living in a former USSR state or South Africa.

You got drug runners, we have whites and blacks killing each other with machetes and farking hippos that will fark your shiat up.

Mexico (parts of it) could be considered 3rd world, just like parts of the US.

Call me back when widespread genocide is going on, or an entire town is cut off from other parts of the country because one race wants to kill the other.

Until then, you're a spoiled first worlder.


Actually, it's the first time on Fark someone says to me that Mexico is not so bad.

And about the genocide here, we have a state that's in deep shiat (Michoacan), and another that's gone completely delusional about worshiping drug lords (Sinaloa), for the reason that the government, both local and federal, prefer to line their own pockets instead of serving the people, as the public officials that they are.

I will admit, I have never lost a meal in my life, I've had a roof over my head always, I've had access to college education and I'm a professional, but that doesn't mean I cannot care for my fellow man. I may not be a man of the people, but I am a man for the people.
 
2014-03-06 10:06:57 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Call me back when widespread genocide is going on, or an entire town is cut off from other parts of the country because one race wants to kill the other.


Don't hold your breath

i141.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-06 10:11:57 PM  

CygnusDarius: Robin Hoodie: CygnusDarius: Capo Del Bandito: That's all well and good but with your overabundance of empathy and naivete it shows you've got an abundance of Empathy that comes from living in a 1st World.

Actually, I live in Mexico. In Sonora, to be exact.

are you on the lam or something?

Care to elaborate?.


i'm was curious why you are concerned with the state of american prisons when you live in mexico. if you were on the lam, then such an overlap of circumstances would make some sense.
 
2014-03-06 10:16:17 PM  

Robin Hoodie: i'm was curious why you are concerned with the state of american prisons when you live in mexico. if you were on the lam, then such an overlap of circumstances would make some sense.


I guess it's because, in general, I wish mankind could treat each other as equals. That's the biggest pipe dream if there ever was one, but the way I see it is, that everything that happens in the US echoes in the world, especially the bad.

I worry about my country and I discuss it as profusely as I can, but here, sadly, the problem has decades old. And the problem with Mexico, as a whole, is that we are a nation waiting to be lead, not a nation waiting to lead.

Which saddens me and angers me so.
 
2014-03-06 10:18:05 PM  
Prison is rough and harsh and you don't like it? Well, don't do stuff that sends you to prison. I've managed swimmingly for nearly 40 years. I find it perfectly easy to not get arrested while living how I want to.

Starve yourself to death, I don't give a fark.
 
2014-03-06 10:23:37 PM  

CygnusDarius: If the US started to reform their prison system in the next ways:
5.- Give them new identities for them to start over (This one may be optional, but we all know many businesses won't take ex-cons for work).

How different would things turn out to be?.


This is a big problem.  I don't claim to have all of the answers, but anybody can see that if you dump somebody out of prison with a stigma attached that means, more or less, that legal, gainful employment is next to impossible... what the hell do you think is going to happen?
 
2014-03-06 10:24:25 PM  

CygnusDarius: I will admit, I have never lost a meal in my life, I've had a roof over my head always, I've had access to college education and I'm a professional, but that doesn't mean I cannot care for my fellow man. I may not be a man of the people, but I am a man for the people.


I'm not saying you can't care about your fellow man.

I'm saying given your (relatively compared to many) lofty position you're out of touch, naive and unable to comprehend why gangs work the way they do and your 'feel good attitude' is the exact opposite of the US convervative of "FOR THE DOLLAR! FOR ME! fark THE POOR" attitude: misguided and based on some sort of self serving mechanism a la your empathy and feeling bad for people who live to prey on the weaker for the fark of it and/or those who take power simply because it's there.

Having to fight for the farking roof you're under gives you a certain perspective. You lack that but you make up with it with sympathy. It serves a purpose, but relying solely on 'I feel things should be this way" simply out of your misguided empathy, is just as ignorant as "God wants me to rich and you to be poor!"
 
2014-03-06 10:25:53 PM  

Starshines: I'm all for humane treatment of prisoners, but if a bunch of guys sentenced to super max want to stop eating until they die, I don't really have a problem with that.


They may have a point however. The US routinely houses minors and mentally ill in solitary confinement, sometimes for years on end. This does not seem like a policy that will positively impact inmate rehabilitation. Those guys go in, are treated to dehumanizing conditions, put into situations that cause or exacerbate mental illness, or crowded into pens that encourage the spread of disease like AIDS and tuberculosis. Then when their time is up, get released back into MY society. I'm not okay with these guys coming out of those hellholes more feral, more physically diseased than when they went in, and into my world where they can spread their filth around in "free" society.

More power to those inmates. May they never come out, but for the prisoners that do, hopefully the SuperMax activism will reduce the filth we "free" people have to deal with.
 
2014-03-06 10:28:39 PM  

trappedspirit: Don't hold your breath

i141.photobucket.com


I thought Willy Wonka was British...

*sniff*
 
2014-03-06 10:32:06 PM  

iheartscotch: Then, most of them, proceeded to commit more crimes to get them put into segregation cells. The only ones who started out in segregation were the kiddie fiddlers; and they get put there for their own safety. If they were to be put in gen pop; they'd be dead in two weeks.


Around 20-odd years ago, in Canada, a colleague of mine was relating a study he was part of during his psychology program at university. They interviewed some convicts at an Ontario penitentiary. The cons related when a sexual predator was released into the general population, and promptly had one (1) of his arms tied into a knot. So, not quite dead, but as they were Canadian convicts they were too polite for that.
 
2014-03-06 10:35:05 PM  
Hunger strike. Thanks we'll save thousands in food cost. Keep it up we'll save even more.
 
2014-03-06 10:36:54 PM  

Poowaddins: Prison is rough and harsh and you don't like it? Well, don't do stuff that sends you to prison. I've managed swimmingly for nearly 40 years. I find it perfectly easy to not get arrested while living how I want to.

Starve yourself to death, I don't give a fark.


Wow! Who's your dealer? What Kiwanis Club do you belong too?
 
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