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(Reuters)   You have to go through the zoning board for a lot of things, like adding an in-ground pool, or a treehouse, or an open firing range in your backyard ... wait, NOT that last one?   (reuters.com) divider line 63
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2014-03-06 04:21:53 PM  
Considering all the other laws, this one is a "no brainer".  The state has abused its position by forcing everyone and anyone to have permits for anything- every year, we read about how some kid in grade school gets their lemonade stand shut down because they didn't have a business license.

Now think on this, hard: if you were a bad guy and you heard gunshots what are the odd's of you doing a robbery in that neighborhood?  Knowing if you pulled any shiat you'd be leaking red stuff?

Provided the range is built with common sense- that is, berms to the front, left and right, in such a way as to absorb the impact of bullets- where's the harm?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-06 06:04:10 PM  
This is a followup to "Backyard gun range legal. Neighbors advised to duck." from January.
 
2014-03-06 06:05:11 PM  

Trailltrader: Considering all the other laws, this one is a "no brainer".  The state has abused its position by forcing everyone and anyone to have permits for anything- every year, we read about how some kid in grade school gets their lemonade stand shut down because they didn't have a business license.

Now think on this, hard: if you were a bad guy and you heard gunshots what are the odd's of you doing a robbery in that neighborhood?  Knowing if you pulled any shiat you'd be leaking red stuff?

Provided the range is built with common sense- that is, berms to the front, left and right, in such a way as to absorb the impact of bullets- where's the harm?


Where's the harm of erecting a shed or keeping chickens? Annoyance to the neighbors.
 
2014-03-06 07:11:22 PM  

Trailltrader: Considering all the other laws, this one is a "no brainer".  The state has abused its position by forcing everyone and anyone to have permits for anything- every year, we read about how some kid in grade school gets their lemonade stand shut down because they didn't have a business license.

Now think on this, hard: if you were a bad guy and you heard gunshots what are the odd's of you doing a robbery in that neighborhood?  Knowing if you pulled any shiat you'd be leaking red stuff?

Provided the range is built with common sense- that is, berms to the front, left and right, in such a way as to absorb the impact of bullets- where's the harm?


What could possibly go wrong?
 
2014-03-06 07:13:49 PM  
where I come from we just go out in the country

die, pop can on a fence post, die die die
 
2014-03-06 07:14:15 PM  
Making suppressors easy and cheap to get would help this problem.
 
2014-03-06 07:17:33 PM  
Idiots like these are why we can't have nice things.

"Dude... it's legal to have a live-fire range in our back yard in the middle of town! Let's build one!"
"Are you sure that's the smart thing to do?"
"It doesn't matter if it's smart. It's legal."

... and yet another law is born from lack of common sense.
 
2014-03-06 07:18:18 PM  
You don't need to ban it, just require high liability insurance.  I'm sure the monthly costs of this would make most people think twice about building one.
 
2014-03-06 07:21:10 PM  
I had a firing range set up in my apartment and the neighbors kept complaining about the holes.
 
2014-03-06 07:21:17 PM  
Look, if you're going to start mowing your lawn at 7 a.m. on a Saturday, I don't see why I can't practice with my new IR scope at 11 p.m.

/nothing could possibly go wrong here.
 
2014-03-06 07:21:43 PM  
I have a firing range in my backyard. It's called the woods. Nothing like walking out onto your back porch in your boxers and firing high-powered weaponry
 
2014-03-06 07:23:06 PM  
Wait. I've lived here my whole life and I've never heard us called the "Gunshine State".

I don't think Florida is more Gun-ho than, say, Texas. We don't have open carry.

Who has determined this is what we're called? One anti-gun AP reporter?

/pro gun liberal
 
2014-03-06 07:23:54 PM  
I enjoy shooting, I own guns, I think this is nuts.

/backyard shooting range guy STFU you are not helping.
 
2014-03-06 07:23:57 PM  

Watubi: You don't need to ban it, just require high liability insurance.  I'm sure the monthly costs of this would make most people think twice about building one.


Or, it could just be banned because it is retarded to operate a shooting range in a residential neighborhood FFS.

Here is why it is a bad idea to do this. I don't think having a high liability insurance requirement would be much consolation to the dead guy.
 
2014-03-06 07:29:09 PM  
It's pointless to shoot at stationary targets when you're surrounded by moving targets. No marksman gets better without challenges.
 
2014-03-06 07:35:13 PM  

Trailltrader: Now think on this, hard: if you were a bad guy and you heard gunshots what are the odd's of you doing a robbery in that neighborhood?


They gotta sleep/shop/work/vacation some time, and obviously they have something worth stealing. (the guns) If I were a bad guy, I'd just wait.
 
2014-03-06 07:37:12 PM  
I thought my backyard was threatening me. Looked like the dandelions had a gun. Turned out to be a toadstool but I didn't know that.

God Bless Murca.

/eagletear
 
2014-03-06 07:38:52 PM  

duffblue: I have a firing range in my backyard. It's called the woods. Nothing like walking out onto your back porch in your boxers and firing high-powered weaponry



If you don't have a determined backstop, you are just a yokel asshole squeezing off rounds in your underwear while screaming at all the no accounts

while I do salute you in your life choices, you do not have a firing range
 
2014-03-06 07:38:55 PM  

TinyFist: Look, if you're going to start mowing your lawn at 7 a.m. on a Saturday, I don't see why I can't practice with my new IR scope at 11 p.m.


In that situation, i think i'd practice at 7am on Saturday; drilling the silhouette of a man on a riding lawn mower, while staring at the neighbor with a "Full Metal Jacket" grin...
 
2014-03-06 07:40:24 PM  

Watubi: You don't need to ban it, just require high liability insurance.  I'm sure the monthly costs of this would make most people think twice about building one.


"You don't need no gun control, you know what you need? We need some bullet control. Men, we need to control the bullets, that's right. I think all bullets should cost five thousand dollars... five thousand dollars per bullet... You know why? Cause if a bullet cost five thousand dollars there would be no more innocent bystanders.
Yeah! Every time somebody get shut we'd say, 'Damn, he must have done something ... shiat, he's got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass.'
And people would think before they killed somebody if a bullet cost five thousand dollars. 'Man I would blow your farking head off...if I could afford it.' 'I'm gonna get me another job, I'm going to start saving some money, and you're a dead man. You'd better hope I can't get no bullets on layaway.'
So even if you get shot by a stray bullet, you wouldn't have to go to no doctor to get it taken out. Whoever shot you would take their bullet back, like "I believe you got my property."

/or-some-photo-of-chris-rock.jpg
 
2014-03-06 07:42:36 PM  
He should at least be a good neighbor - a suppressed .22 would be perfect to practice marksmanship with without bothering the neighbors.

Doing what he's doing is just going to get the law changed.
 
2014-03-06 07:42:46 PM  
I grew up in VERY Northern Wisconsin, and back in my teenage years, I used to, quite regularly, bust a few caps in my backyard (I think I may have killed one of the maple trees in my backyard using it as the backstop for my target shooting), with neighbors on both sides within 100 ft... and not a thing was said about it, even when I would burn through 200 rounds of ammo on a Saturday morning. Back then, I am not even sure there *was* a law or county ordinance prohibiting me from doing so. These days, I'd have probably been reported to the county sheriff within 30 seconds of the first round going downrange, and I probably wouldn't have made it much past 100 rounds before I was being asked to put down the weapon and come with the deputy to the county jail to be booked on charges of public discharge of a firearm and reckless endangerment (even though the *only* thing downrange of me for at least a mile was about 1,000 trees and, maybe, a wandering cow). That being said, these guys are busting caps in their backyards not because it is safe, or fun, but simply because the law allows them to. At least I made sure downrange was clear, and has plenty of objects to absorb the lead heading downrange that *wasn't* in danger of life and limb by doing so.
 
2014-03-06 07:46:55 PM  
Another vote for suppressors.

I shoot (and hunt squirrels) in my yard regularly. I doubt any of the neighbors have ever had a clue.
 
2014-03-06 07:48:05 PM  

Tom_Slick: I enjoy shooting, I own guns, I think this is nuts.

/backyard shooting range guy STFU you are not helping.


Seconded
 
2014-03-06 07:53:38 PM  
I frequently go shooting at my friend's property... the "range" is around 100 feet from a major highway. the "backstop" is a 4'x4'x4' cube of dirt (plastic kid's playhouse filled with dirt), and we fire parallel to the highway with the targets below eye level.

with the angles we shoot at, your aim needs to be complete shiat in order for there to be any danger.

also, when setting up the range, my friend called all of the law enforcement agencies in the area to come and take a look. they all said it was okay.

/handguns and shotguns only... no rifles.
 
2014-03-06 07:54:52 PM  
There is a 2 step solution to this problem.

1. Police respond to report of gun shots.
2. Police shoot armed suspect for "resisting arrest".
 
2014-03-06 07:57:20 PM  
<<< I don't think Florida is more Gun-ho than, say, Texas. We don't have open carry. >>>

We had open carry when Martinez was governor. As for this guy, I know him. He pitched me on writing a story about his diet products. Think I gave him two paragraphs.
 
2014-03-06 08:01:11 PM  

Keys dude: <<< I don't think Florida is more Gun-ho than, say, Texas. We don't have open carry. >>>

We had open carry when Martinez was governor. As for this guy, I know him. He pitched me on writing a story about his diet products. Think I gave him two paragraphs.


Was it a blood-loss diet?

Also.. Is the guy crazy? I'd like your non-expert opinion on this. Did he have a hint of the nutters?
 
2014-03-06 08:03:04 PM  
Why waste gasoline or electricity on lawnmowers when you can just shoot the grass?

Backyard gun ranges: the sustainable lawn maintenance measure
 
2014-03-06 08:08:09 PM  
<<< http://www.fark.com/comments/8169698/89628696#c89628696" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Keys dude: <<< I don't think Florida is more Gun-ho than, say, Texas. We don't have open carry. >>>

We had open carry when Martinez was governor. As for this guy, I know him. He pitched me on writing a story about his diet products. Think I gave him two paragraphs.


Was it a blood-loss diet?

Also.. Is the guy crazy? I'd like your non-expert opinion on this. Did he have a hint of the nutters? >>>

It was like talking to a human infomercial in my office. Finally told him, I get it, you love your product. As for the diet, no idea what kind. As for the nutters, didn't get that vibe.

At our County Commission meeting last month, a lady addressed the board complaining about a loud rooster next door to her house. One of the commissioners said, "Anyone have Doug Varrieur's number?" That was pretty funny. That said, I think this is nuts, a residential shooting range. He can even fire AK-47s if he wants, but he only shoots handguns.
 
2014-03-06 08:09:04 PM  
I live in Iowa, in a farmhouse, with acres of open land around my preferred shooting venue (my backyard).  The corn/bean field south of my house is actually on elevation higher than our acreage, and so we have Mother Earth as our backstop.  God bless 'Murica (and suppressors)
 
2014-03-06 08:12:14 PM  
My parents have a small pond on their property.  On the house side is a nice bench, on the far side, Dad put some small, reactive steel targets.  When I go up to help with some of the bigger projects (such as sawing up a downed tree in the woods down back), he and I will pop off a few round with a .22 while Mom gets supper ready.  Neither of the neighbors have complained, and it's not usual to hear someone else shooting as well.
 
2014-03-06 08:19:37 PM  

miss diminutive: Why waste gasoline or electricity on lawnmowers when you can just shoot the grass?

Backyard gun ranges: the sustainable lawn maintenance measure


Where have you been? Where's your TF?
 
2014-03-06 08:27:05 PM  

Barfmaker: miss diminutive: Why waste gasoline or electricity on lawnmowers when you can just shoot the grass?

Backyard gun ranges: the sustainable lawn maintenance measure

Where have you been? Where's your TF?


Did some travelling and then was productive at work for a while to make up for the impoverishment caused by said travelling.

/You rock!
//next time I'm in the Market, I owe you a beer
 
2014-03-06 08:35:32 PM  

ClavellBCMI: I grew up in VERY Northern Wisconsin, and back in my teenage years, I used to, quite regularly, bust a few caps in my backyard (I think I may have killed one of the maple trees in my backyard using it as the backstop for my target shooting), with neighbors on both sides within 100 ft... and not a thing was said about it, even when I would burn through 200 rounds of ammo on a Saturday morning.


9/11 changed everything, dude.  Now gunshots cause heart attacks.  And something about pants pissing scared something or other.  There's always the pants pissing to consider.
 
2014-03-06 08:41:16 PM  
We covered all this in the other thread...
 
2014-03-06 08:50:26 PM  

Watubi: You don't need to ban it, just require high liability insurance.  I'm sure the monthly costs of this would make most people think twice about building one.


IANAL, but my hunch is that such a municipal requirement would run afoul of the state law prohibiting local and county governments from putting  *any* restrictions on the use of guns - either de jure or de facto.

What do the actual lawyers with relevant expertise here think?
 
2014-03-06 08:55:19 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Was it a blood-loss diet?


I LOL'ed.
 
2014-03-06 09:19:34 PM  

Calmamity: Making suppressors easy and cheap to get would help this problem.


suppressors turn a "12guage" into a "410guage" they do NOT silence the noise, just make it sound further away.
 
2014-03-06 09:28:08 PM  
When he fires his weapon, Varrieur is shooting in the direction of a canal used by boaters to reach open water. Varrieur said he stations his wife and father on the edge of the canal to warn him if a boat is coming.

Genius.
 
2014-03-06 09:51:19 PM  
Meh, even here in gun-shy California you don't need a permit to set up a shooting range in your back yard, as long as it doesn't involve permanent construction...which, BTW, is why backyard pools do, Subby.
 
2014-03-06 10:11:16 PM  

duffblue: I have a firing range in my backyard. It's called the woods. Nothing like walking out onto your back porch in your boxers and firing high-powered weaponry


Did just that last night...shot a gigantic, unarmed armadillo.
The neighbors cheered this morning when I told them.
 
2014-03-06 10:28:14 PM  
As a resident of Big Pine Key, I'm getting a kick, etc. Said gun range has been a hot topic 'round these parts....
 
2014-03-06 10:41:11 PM  
Damn commie pinkos the lot of you!
 
2014-03-06 10:54:27 PM  
Glass Ninja, Marathon checking in here. If you've been around for a few years, you might have a hint of who I am :)
 
pla
2014-03-06 10:59:32 PM  
NoSugarAdded : There is a 2 step solution to this problem.
1. Police respond to report of gun shots.


2. Resident shows the police his range, invites them to try his newest toy, all have a good time, neighbors cited for wasting police time.

At least, it would go that way up here at the other end of the "Snowbird Superhighway".


/ Has a backyard range, similar to DuffBlue's (aka miles of forest in every direction).
// My neighbors have much bigger arsenals than I do - Some Saturdays it sounds like "dueling banjos" for 12ga and 30.06.
/// Those "yokels" have better firearm control than your local PD, yuppie.
 
2014-03-06 11:03:56 PM  

Keys dude: Glass Ninja, Marathon checking in here. If you've been around for a few years, you might have a hint of who I am :)


Too vague, Keys Dude...;)......we rarely make it as far north as Marathon....but if you ever stop at Coconuts in BPK, you will most definitely learn who I am!!! And I'm guessing you're not the "FTR guy".....I've seen you on here on here before, and he lives in BPK. Cheers!!!
 
2014-03-06 11:06:33 PM  
Glass Ninja, I am the polar opposite of FTR ! And that site is the most hate-mongering, most ill-informed I have ever seen. I've organized fundraisers down your way in the Lower Keys. Good to have brethren here.
 
2014-03-06 11:07:24 PM  
Oh....impromptu Fark party at Coconuts.....Keys Dude drinks for free....;)
 
2014-03-06 11:07:51 PM  
Eh, I've got a gun "range" in my backyard. Well, more like a twelve foot high mound of dirt. Hell, most of my neighbors do as well. It isn't unusual at all to hear gun shots during the daylight hours around here. Occasionally you'll even hear fully automatic fire as one wealthy doctor around here had a class III license and a lot of money to spend on ammo. Now, granted we all live on a minimum of five acres and a few here have a few hundred.

/it's really nice to be able to target shoot on your property
// suck it anti gun nuts
///responsible gun owner
 
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