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2014-03-06 06:20:17 PM
Meanwhile Neal Degrasse Tyson trolled Gravity on Twitter and...its pretty hilarious.
 
2014-03-06 06:22:46 PM
Except for my workplace where they steadfastly refuse to allow IM to be used.  It's a fireable offense.

/I'm ok with that
//Pick up the farking phone or godforbid walk over and talk to someone
 
2014-03-06 06:23:08 PM
Sorry subby, I was IMing a friend, what's going on now?
 
2014-03-06 06:24:43 PM
I have a coworker in her 20's who constantly uses Hangouts because Google is the only chat not blocked at many firms. But she chats way too much instead of doing her work.
 
2014-03-06 06:25:46 PM
TXTING.

No one says IMing anymore.
 
2014-03-06 06:26:46 PM
Stupid OpenOffice.    It never renders documents properly.
 
2014-03-06 06:27:44 PM

Creoena: Except for my workplace where they steadfastly refuse to allow IM to be used.  It's a fireable offense.

/I'm ok with that
//Pick up the farking phone or godforbid walk over and talk to someone


I IM or email alot were I work.
Less chance of miscommunacation.
Or at lest we know who to blame.
 
2014-03-06 06:28:01 PM
People can't communicate anymore and skins are getting thinner by the day.
 
2014-03-06 06:32:58 PM

Por que tan serioso: Meanwhile Neal Degrasse Tyson trolled Gravity on Twitter and...its pretty hilarious.


I hate you so much it flames. The flames.
 
2014-03-06 06:33:51 PM
We use Lync for that. A lot. For most of the reasons mentioned in TFA.
 
2014-03-06 06:34:10 PM
Meh, place I worked at 10 years ago did pretty much all of its communication via I'M

/AOL
//was pretty funny when the first cell phones with IM came out - you'd be in the bathroom and hear clicking from the stalls
 
2014-03-06 06:34:20 PM
We use IM, but we're a global company. So I communicate with my boss as if she is right there, even though she is 6k miles away in VA Beach. I can also message my people when we're in conference calls to make sure they bring up or dont bring up things, without cutting into the conversation.

This is somewhat of a limited article.
 
2014-03-06 06:34:28 PM

Creoena: Except for my workplace where they steadfastly refuse to allow IM to be used.  It's a fireable offense.

/I'm ok with that
//Pick up the farking phone or godforbid walk over and talk to someone


AKA let me refuse to acknowledge something when I screw up because there's no documentation LOLOLOLOLOL.
 
2014-03-06 06:35:54 PM

dv-ous: We use Lync for that. A lot. For most of the reasons mentioned in TFA.


Yep, pretty much. It's great for finding people in other departments that you need things from.
 
2014-03-06 06:39:25 PM
Am I the only one who hates IM and texting? Although IM is allowed where I work, I refuse to install it. It seems to come with the expectation that I'll immediately respond to messages and the constant interruptions are beyond annoying. Same with texting. I had it blocked on my phone.

I feel like I'm surrounded by people who are determined to send a dozen chat messages, texts, or e-mails back and forth rather than pick up the damn phone and have a 30-second conversation.
 
2014-03-06 06:41:38 PM

Shakin_Haitian: Creoena: Except for my workplace where they steadfastly refuse to allow IM to be used.  It's a fireable offense.

/I'm ok with that
//Pick up the farking phone or godforbid walk over and talk to someone

AKA let me refuse to acknowledge something when I screw up because there's no documentation LOLOLOLOLOL.


Yep - I have had many managers and directors who documented every little thing - until they didn't want accountability, and then they would go talk to the person.
 
2014-03-06 06:44:08 PM

Pangit: We use IM, but we're a global company. So I communicate with my boss as if she is right there, even though she is 6k miles away in VA Beach. I can also message my people when we're in conference calls to make sure they bring up or dont bring up things, without cutting into the conversation.

This is somewhat of a limited article.


Yea same here. We have our own homegrown IM program (with annoying holiday icons). Good for talking about code and stuff. I work with people all over the country, so it's by far the easiest. I usually work from home anyway.
 
2014-03-06 06:45:01 PM

ban_sidhe: Am I the only one who hates IM and texting? Although IM is allowed where I work, I refuse to install it. It seems to come with the expectation that I'll immediately respond to messages and the constant interruptions are beyond annoying. Same with texting. I had it blocked on my phone.

I feel like I'm surrounded by people who are determined to send a dozen chat messages, texts, or e-mails back and forth rather than pick up the damn phone and have a 30-second conversation.


You can just say you're busy and that you'll chat later. It's not that difficult. But then you wouldn't have anything to complain about!
 
2014-03-06 06:49:32 PM

cameroncrazy1984: ban_sidhe: Am I the only one who hates IM and texting? Although IM is allowed where I work, I refuse to install it. It seems to come with the expectation that I'll immediately respond to messages and the constant interruptions are beyond annoying. Same with texting. I had it blocked on my phone.

I feel like I'm surrounded by people who are determined to send a dozen chat messages, texts, or e-mails back and forth rather than pick up the damn phone and have a 30-second conversation.

You can just say you're busy and that you'll chat later. It's not that difficult. But then you wouldn't have anything to complain about!


Or just, you know, don't install chat. That way you don't have to be interrupted a dozen times a day just to tell people you're busy and can't chat.
 
2014-03-06 06:50:46 PM

cameroncrazy1984: You can just say you're busy and that you'll chat later. It's not that difficult. But then you wouldn't have anything to complain about!


Do IM programs still come with away messages so you can convey your emotional state through pop song lyrics?
 
2014-03-06 06:55:54 PM

ban_sidhe: I feel like I'm surrounded by people who are determined to send a dozen chat messages, texts, or e-mails back and forth rather than pick up the damn phone and have a 30-second conversation.


Fark you Bob! The last time I called you for a "30 second" conversation, I missed lunch as you went off on a tangent about the crazy adventures of your cat, Mr. Bananas.

Never again.
 
2014-03-06 06:57:27 PM

Por que tan serioso: Meanwhile Neal Degrasse Tyson trolled Gravity on Twitter and...its pretty hilarious.


Did you hear that the iPhone fingerprint sensor has already been hacked? It's pretty hilarious.
 
2014-03-06 06:57:48 PM

ban_sidhe: cameroncrazy1984: ban_sidhe: Am I the only one who hates IM and texting? Although IM is allowed where I work, I refuse to install it. It seems to come with the expectation that I'll immediately respond to messages and the constant interruptions are beyond annoying. Same with texting. I had it blocked on my phone.

I feel like I'm surrounded by people who are determined to send a dozen chat messages, texts, or e-mails back and forth rather than pick up the damn phone and have a 30-second conversation.

You can just say you're busy and that you'll chat later. It's not that difficult. But then you wouldn't have anything to complain about!

Or just, you know, don't install chat. That way you don't have to be interrupted a dozen times a day just to tell people you're busy and can't chat.


You sound old and unwilling to change. Don't worry, you'll be kicked to the curb soon.

We have fonality, which has IM on it and you can put away messages up and stuff.  Not many use it all that much mostly because it's usually emails that we need to send to multiple people.
 
2014-03-06 06:59:05 PM
So let me get this straight, people don't want anyone to know about their private conversations so they have them over the company network using the company IM that likely logs their conversations?

Sounds like a plan to me.
 
2014-03-06 07:00:18 PM
GOD YES.

IM or Text or Skype. Especially in an open-plan office. Every time someone speaks up it breaks 10+ people's concentration. Skype is our company's official communication channel, we use it for everything.

When you skype/im/text/etc someone, they can look at it when they have a break from their current train of thought. Email too, but honestly skype/im/text is much easier. And you can break down conversations by topic. You're no longer on X feature? Leave the conversation. Someone needs to be on X feature? Invite them to the conversation.

And THIS THIS THIS THIS:
fullyc.com
 
2014-03-06 07:01:28 PM

ban_sidhe: Am I the only one who hates IM and texting? Although IM is allowed where I work, I refuse to install it. It seems to come with the expectation that I'll immediately respond to messages and the constant interruptions are beyond annoying.


For the most part, I don't work with idiots, so if I throw an away/busy/in-a-goddamn-meeting-so-fark-off message up on Lync, I'm not pinged unless it's ridiculously urgent or just an "oh, BTW..." message of some kind that doesn't require my response anyway.
 
2014-03-06 07:04:10 PM

ban_sidhe: Am I the only one who hates IM and texting? Although IM is allowed where I work, I refuse to install it. It seems to come with the expectation that I'll immediately respond to messages and the constant interruptions are beyond annoying. Same with texting. I had it blocked on my phone.

I feel like I'm surrounded by people who are determined to send a dozen chat messages, texts, or e-mails back and forth rather than pick up the damn phone and have a 30-second conversation.


I actually use it with exactly the opposite expectation, that they get back to me when they can because it's not urgent. It is also preferable to email because it doesn't get lost in the deluge of crap that is hitting their inbox. My work also requires a good amount of focus (software Dev), so a 30 second interruption can easily set me back 30 minutes, whereas an IM can sit there flashing in my taskbar until I hit a good stopping point.
 
2014-03-06 07:09:25 PM
Ha ha. I can set my office IM status to show offline even when I'm not. So I can I'm someone but if people IM me it tells them I'm offline. Suck it, annoying pester people.
 
2014-03-06 07:12:33 PM
I wish.  I really wish people would stop talking, loudly, right outside my tiny ass little cube.  That'd be awesome.  We have IM.  But people stop by to chat still.  All the time.
 
2014-03-06 07:13:18 PM
Ever since we switched to Sametime I try to keep that crap turned off though it's the easiest and quickest way to get a hold of a lot of people.  Some of us old timers still have the pidgin client and rock old school unmonitored ICQ.   That's where the really good conversations happen.  Off the corporate servers.
 
2014-03-06 07:19:37 PM

ban_sidhe: cameroncrazy1984: ban_sidhe: Am I the only one who hates IM and texting? Although IM is allowed where I work, I refuse to install it. It seems to come with the expectation that I'll immediately respond to messages and the constant interruptions are beyond annoying. Same with texting. I had it blocked on my phone.

I feel like I'm surrounded by people who are determined to send a dozen chat messages, texts, or e-mails back and forth rather than pick up the damn phone and have a 30-second conversation.

You can just say you're busy and that you'll chat later. It's not that difficult. But then you wouldn't have anything to complain about!

Or just, you know, don't install chat. That way you don't have to be interrupted a dozen times a day just to tell people you're busy and can't chat.


How the hell is being interrupted by a phone call any more convenient? And why would I have a 30 sec conversation when the problem at hand takes 5 seconds for you to type a response?
 
2014-03-06 07:19:50 PM
Of course I prefer electronic - and logged - communication. I get requirements verbally, they're *much* more likely to randomly change on me
 
2014-03-06 07:22:48 PM
Back in 2007-2010, I was in a place that used Skype for individual and group chats. IM greatly facilitates telecommuting. TFA's author ignores important aspects of chat, especially group chat, in that it's possible to use he conversations for documentation purposes. oh, and fark AOL
 
2014-03-06 07:23:03 PM
I'm convinced that the people touting the benefits of open offices and how they increase the flow of information and ideas are not the same people who do actual work.  In fact, I'm betting you could fire those people and it wouldn't impact output one bit.
 
2014-03-06 07:26:30 PM

THE 'OPEN OFFICE' IS A TOTAL PIECE OF SH*T IDEA MEANT TO TURN ALL WORKPLACES INTO SWEATSHOPS

 
2014-03-06 07:30:43 PM

DittoToo: I'm convinced that the people touting the benefits of open offices and how they increase the flow of information and ideas are not the same people who do actual work.  In fact, I'm betting you could fire those people and it wouldn't impact output one bit.


It cheaper. There is no other reason.

Accounting rules and depreciation for furniture is also easier that building improvements (doors, wall, etc)
 
2014-03-06 07:31:20 PM

dynomutt: Back in 2007-2010, I was in a place that used Skype for individual and group chats. IM greatly facilitates telecommuting. TFA's author ignores important aspects of chat, especially group chat, in that it's possible to use he conversations for documentation purposes. oh, and fark AOL


Some of the funniest things my coworkers have ever said come through Lync group chat. And once we found out that you could title the chats, we immediately had competitions to see who got to name that day's chat.
 
2014-03-06 07:33:40 PM
For some reason this thread really makes me like my office.
 
2014-03-06 07:35:20 PM

Russ1642: Por que tan serioso: Meanwhile Neal Degrasse Tyson trolled Gravity on Twitter and...its pretty hilarious.

Did you hear that the iPhone fingerprint sensor has already been hacked? It's pretty hilarious.


I hear that particular jailbreak and five others very similar cost less than an apartment in Manhattan.
 
2014-03-06 07:42:41 PM
I've used IM at work for years, it's integrated into our email system. It's much faster than picking up the phone and hunting for the right extension and it keeps a searchable record of te conversation so I don't have to take notes.

Also how else could I talk about my annoying coworkers with the non-annoying ones?

Open offices suck. I got a lot more done back when I worked at a place that had us paired up in private offices. We could listen to music an interact freely without disturbing the people working on unrelated tasks.
 
2014-03-06 07:44:16 PM

GRCooper: Meh, place I worked at 10 years ago did pretty much all of its communication via I'M

/AOL
//was pretty funny when the first cell phones with IM came out - you'd be in the bathroom and hear clicking from the stalls


We have a guy who *talks* on his phone in the stalls. He's Korean, maybe it's a cultural thing, at least that's what I tell myself.
 
2014-03-06 07:46:09 PM

ban_sidhe: Am I the only one who hates IM and texting? Although IM is allowed where I work, I refuse to install it. It seems to come with the expectation that I'll immediately respond to messages and the constant interruptions are beyond annoying. Same with texting. I had it blocked on my phone.

I feel like I'm surrounded by people who are determined to send a dozen chat messages, texts, or e-mails back and forth rather than pick up the damn phone and have a 30-second conversation.


Personally I hate talking on the phone. With IM I can take a moment to digest the message an think through my response. Also it's conveniently recorded for me.
 
2014-03-06 07:47:56 PM

DittoToo: I'm convinced that the people touting the benefits of open offices and how they increase the flow of information and ideas are not the same people who do actual work.  In fact, I'm betting you could fire those people and it wouldn't impact output one bit.


They're the people who like to strut around and look over everyone's shoulder to make sure they're working. Usually they just get better at faking it.
 
2014-03-06 07:51:16 PM
Every medium has its benefits and drawbacks. Unfortunately, everyone is choosing their preferred medium and if you value the relationship or need to get ahold of them, you conform.
 
2014-03-06 07:52:35 PM
I find that liars and the passive-aggressive prefer text-based communication. Just my observation. Gives them more time to compose disingenuous messages.
 
2014-03-06 07:54:39 PM

mccallcl: I find that liars and the passive-aggressive prefer text-based communication. Just my observation. Gives them more time to compose disingenuous messages.


Written communication also helps us to remember exactly what you said that we can twist  your words around to use them against you.
 
2014-03-06 08:09:47 PM

SBWorks: DittoToo: I'm convinced that the people touting the benefits of open offices and how they increase the flow of information and ideas are not the same people who do actual work.  In fact, I'm betting you could fire those people and it wouldn't impact output one bit.

It cheaper. There is no other reason.

Accounting rules and depreciation for furniture is also easier that building improvements (doors, wall, etc)


Yeah, that's the truth of it.  I still see articles from time to time though full of buzz words and shiat about all the benefits other than cheaper.  Yet people will still fight to the death over squatting rights in one of the few non-executive offices.
 
2014-03-06 08:22:44 PM
i think what we can really gather from these comments is that it's about how you go about doing things, not necessarily what you use.

/ric romero
 
2014-03-06 08:23:35 PM
My work requires me to be in HipChat every day.  it's how we communicate even when sitting next to one another.
 
2014-03-06 08:34:46 PM

DittoToo: I'm convinced that the people touting the benefits of open offices and how they increase the flow of information and ideas are not the same people who do actual work.  In fact, I'm betting you could fire those people and it wouldn't impact output one bit.



This.


Stephen_Falken: THE 'OPEN OFFICE' IS A TOTAL PIECE OF SH*T IDEA MEANT TO TURN ALL WORKPLACES INTO SWEATSHOPS


And motherfarking THIS.
 
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